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  80.  @alleocedricka.coronel5145  Whilst you've had a number of replies already, what hasn't been stated is the physics of the situation. At 4kms below the ocean the pressure that would be emitted onto a human body if they suddenly popped into that space (for instance exiting a pressurized tank through a hull breach) would be similar to the entire empire state building (in weight) suddenly upon you (really from every direction, as the density or pressure is not just above you it exists all around the pressurized water, thus all around the person). A sudden impact of such pressure would squash the person completely, as much as a container would literally crush into itself (implode) so would a human body. I suspect it would feel like (if your brain had time to analyse it) a huge meteorite directly hitting you. There would be nothing left but complete flatness. Although since its from all sides (in a pressurized volume of water) you wouldn't just be instantly flat, you'd also be squashed smaller from all directions. Some body parts may survive. This is because the pressure inside those parts would match the pressure outside. For instance: A bone or muscle etc. may not be squashed flat, if there were enough time to allow the pressurized water to get in first. But its not like any sealed human body part could withstand that pressure without protection. Subnote: Deep sea divers go though a depressurization (or rather: pressurizing) over time (slowly descending) which enables them to survive. But if they suddenly popped up out of these depths without slowly depressurizing, then their internal pressure would likely kill them. Water pressure at kms down, is a difficult equation, it is about PSI, pounds per square inch of your body, but depends upon length, motion, upright or position, internal pressure, buoyancy (acting against pressure) etc etc etc. To calculate the exact fine tuned perfect calculation of what pressure these individuals instantly received? We say: About the pressure of the empire state building on top of you.
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  90. Time travel has already been tested. Stephen Hawking held a party for time-travelers, but no-one turned up! Since his lifetime goal was about finding the unified theory of everything, it would seem that turning up to his dunner party would be quite reasonable of any time traveler. It opens up other ideas that the future does NOT exist as yet, and in a few million years maybe the guests will finally turn up. But this goes against all time existing at the same time ie Even if you made a time machine today, you still could not visit the future! However there are already confirmed ways to 'time travel'. As proven by astronauts who gain an extra second relative to time on Earth. Bit the theory of relativity and light and gravity bending are not mysterious things to anyone. Approaching the speed of light will make the observer of this seeing a person standing still for millions of years! Although the speed of light person may only pass by 5mins! PLUS it seems visualizing the past (not future) is already fully accepted. If you were on a planet (right now) millions of light years from Earth and could zoom in and see Earth, you may actually see dinosaurs! So going back in time as an observer is also possible. "If you put these people in the same room and ask them to figure out time travel they probably could." Sorry no. UNLESS they went to another universe (the Cosmos understanding) outside of our own laws of physics universe, then otherwise no. I agree its upsetting, but at least dreams can go faster than the speed of light and in any time dimension ;)
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  96. You probably don't fit into their groups because you are different. Think if aliens arrived, most people would be shooting the spaceship or running away screaming. Whereas you may actually want to communicate or get to know them (I mean obviously they are more intelligent than us in the 1st place!). You also said: "I would feel horrible" This is called empathy and compassionate to others needs. Its like a mature or adult style look upon others, and is very reasonable ie don't lose that. BUT 13yo's are generally selfish and only interested in brand name clothing at the shops or looking good on the outside. Since you are likely intelligent, then you also need to be aware that when you are 18 and look back to 13, you'll say: Wow I was such a foolish kid! Actually up to say ~25 you'll keep saying this about your actions and past thoughts/beliefs/dreams of years earlier. So sadly YOUR situation is not only difficult to solve it'll likely take years. In the meantime you could either 'act' like the others to fit in, OR you could continue to develop yourself (and body) to exactly the place that suits you perfectly. My daughter had some anti-social behaviour going on in school too (I realize you're a guy). Anyway she was bullied and I helped her change schools and all, but she always seem to be outcast by her 'friends'. We had many talks (daily and always) about her doing what is right and true for herself (whilst trying to treat others with goodwill). Actually she had a GOOD friendship large groups during her teens, but I knew she was semi-acting since she seemingly knew better than others. Now she's completing her Psychology Masters in university! Seriously she has learned all about herself and others and also has a Uni bf who is equally as 'smart'. Smart is a GOOD thing btw. 13 is an awkward bodily age. 13yo 'kids' body proportions are all over the place, whilst their body continues to grow. These physical changes can impact your moods and feelings towards others (also note: Obviously ALL other 13yo's are going through the same process). These early to late teen years are stated as: Just surviving them is a challenge :) In other words you CAN do just about anything, its like you were 31 and a wizard came along and said I'll give you one wish but after its granted you'll instantly forget that a wish brought you it. YOU wished to be 13 again! So it can't be all that bad because this is the real you ;)
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  97.  @fenrirsilver6441  Except an artists analogy with a believer is not the same, because belief is not a choice. IF the artist believed his painting was the best ever, then even if it didn't align with the original vision, he would not agree UNLESS he stopped believing first. Since this is confusing to get it straight, the point is the analogy is not correct. It would be similar to the 'Christian Theological perspective' that a Christian believer felt that natural gays CHOOSE to be gay, when we know this cannot be correct, as it would be like you (if straight) choosing to be gay, I'd say most (straight) people could not get sexually aroused by this. Therefore why think the gay is doing that. I realize this is not about gays, but we are talking Christian Theological perspective here :D The artist analogy doesn't work. A better analogy would be gays who don't then 'throw it away and start over'! Although we are aware that Recovery From Religion does exist, but to help someone to reason effectively again is not an instantaneous action, as most tend to continue the irrational false fears of hell, for some time before they are cured. Merely informing deluded Christians the simple fact that there is zero sufficient evidence and zero good reason to believe in ANY claimed God, usually takes time to accept. Mainly because the church (and then parents etc) have safe guards in place for questioning! (ie a GOOD thing) And for placing the burden of proof on, you can't prove him false! But under that poor reasoning then all Christians should believe in lepricauns and Bigfoot and any mythical character until proven false, which would be ridiculous obviously. We believe in things when there's sufficient evidence and good reason to do so. OTHERWISE (if you believe without this) then you are classed as gullible; naive; weak-minded; deluded and indoctrinated into nonsense, by definition.
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  116.  @youngexo9318  Thanks for you questions, and obviously you are a Creationist Christian. About 50% of Christians still believe that a man was popped into existence and then his rib was pulled ou to create his required woman! (WTF Lol). Thankfully we are 100% fully aware that evolution is a fact, so the fairy-tale of Adam and Eve is definitely nonsense. Anyway, since you are a Creationist you presently don't accept the fact of evolution which is a shame, I can help you in that. Did you know we know more about the science of biology of say humans than any other science there is? That's right, we actually know less about say gravity or the cosmos or you name the science, in compared to our own biology. This is because we are the human species and the amount of evidence that evolution is a fact is so overwhelming that its the ONLY science that is both a 'scientific theory' (meaning it MUST be based on facts) AND also a fact as well. That's how confident we are in evolution. Anyway to your questions :) "Do we have a soul" Well I know what theists say a soul is, but do I believe they exist? Definitely not. Our entire personality and even our will to live is all based on one thing, our brain. Our brain stores ALL emotions, memories, intellect, everything and anything we could ever think of. We KNOW that people cannot meet their love ones in say an afterlife, because our brain would have already started to decay within seconds or minutes after death. As evidence for this, when people suffer a traumatic brain injury they may forget how to walk again! Or they may totally forget familiar family and friends, they may even forget their religious beliefs! And they don't suddenly get these brain memories back, what they need to do is re-learn certain things from the beginning. Therefore even if you met your long lost relatives after birth you would not know them, not only that but because your brain is fully dead you wouldn't be able to think or do anything at all. Your personality (YOU) your loves and hates and wants and everything you can ever think/feel/remember is totally gone. "Are we unconscious forever after death" The science of biology informs us, it is not merely unconscious but actually our brain STOPS and begins to fully decay. Therefore we are NOT in some deep dream-like state! The best understanding is that we are in a state we were in before we were born. And that wasn't scary either. When trees die and we we use the timber to make houses, they are not a tree anymore. When cancer cells die they are not feeding off a live person for eternity in cancer heaven! When dogs and cats die, they are not reuniting with their parents in cat/dog heaven! When people die their brain STOPS and begin to decay, just like all life with intelligence. "How were people and the Earth created" Oh an easy one. Evolution and natural formation of planets. Wait you agree with evolution right? We do NOT think people were created! Actually we are 100% against this fair-tale now. NO person was created, your question also prompts me to inform you your parents had sex and you began forming. So the closest you'll ever get to 'creating' (although not a good word to define this) is your parents had sex! We also KNOW how planets and Earth was formed. We even know of new planets being formed right now. Specifically Earth naturally formed about 4.5 billion years ago, and the first life came about 3.5 billion years ago, which was multi-cellular bacteria. Therefore if your mythical God created anything 'in his own image' it would have to be bacteria, I mean you would do that too if you could, you would make others of the same species as you. THEN you would make other life species. Therefore if your mythical God if exists (same chances as reason and logic being false, so unlikely); then when you die he may want you as food to gobble up. Thankfully only the deluded theists get gobbled up though, because others are able to reason effectively ;)
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  120. Mormonism with magical underwear and another 100 or so absurd beliefs is shown here once again as not accepting others no matter what their preference (or even skin color!) is. This girl has been brought up in a backward community of lies about a fearful Joseph Smith who just like all other religious 'prophets' stood for murder and and hate of others, including lying about his own beliefs. The plagiarized text of their bible and crazy stories (all been now confirmed as false) of animal species that could NOT have existed back then and people living on the moon and outrageous claims of evil satan lucipher people outside their own religion, is of a level that this innocent girl must have been subjected to a LOT of hypocrisy and hatred of people she once associated with as a family'. She does NOT need to come back to the crazy church! Of course she will have mixed feelings of trying to fit in with some of the church's outrageous absurd claims, including no tattoos that I noticed she had. It is clearly obvious she has fully left the church (thankfully, and well done) but just as when she was younger and tried to live the lie of saying she was just gay, her transition in this video (now 2 years old) was far from complete. For her to accept her identity and to live a normal natural life she must leave that ridiculous religious church scene that has caused her nothing but confusion and lack of connection to reality. I think her father seems sincere that he loves his daughter in TOTAL conflict of loving his pretend mythical jesus more, quite obviously her father is also trying to wake up from the religious insult to humanity. Good luck, and leave the church nonsense immediately. The church is 'deciding' if they'll accept her!!! What an insult to her; here's my decision I don't accept the church and their deluded beliefs, against this beautiful girl.
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  126. "Have a blessed day". After trying to attack everyone! The only guess of why you seem very angry is that Chris offered his home to this teen, and then finally took his parent's ashes into HIS home. You are either jealous or very controlling, that you must have the last word to counter Chris's LOVING normal words. If anything Chris did much more good than anyone else commonly does. So sad that he couldn't get this troubled immature (seemingly sociopathic) teen in his house hey? I don't know what it is, but if anything happens to Chris, YOU will be the prime suspect. Clearly he didn't need your input, especially when he did much better without your words. I shudder to think what you would have said in the same situation towards your niece, I'm betting it wouldn't have been as kind. Don't worry, I already can tell you won't allow Chris to read here, your secrets are safe with the rest of the world! I commend Chris, I'd say EVERY viewer does. He: 1. Welcomed this teen into his home for support (on top of the grandparents support, who had pictures of her everywhere throughout the house, and clearly did everything they could have done and more - just like Chris it seems). 2. He continues to hold his parent's ashes. Oh boy, clearly you aren't fulfilling Chris in some way. < This I suspect is your twisted mind of judging others. You can shove your outdated blessings nonsense somewhere else. Chris is clearly a good man, he doesn't need you to attack others for him. How dare you minimize his support which is clearly a reflection of his parents (nearly exactly the same). There is absolutely no need for your input, what exactly did Chris do wrong? (inside your head).
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  176. My Dad use to belt us kids in his drunken rage, well every 2nd to 3rd night for I don't know, 10 years maybe. One day my brother held a knife to my Dad's neck, I think he was about 15 at the time. I was so proud of my brother but remember also being shocked at the time, me also being the youngest. If I look back at now both my parents long gone from cancer, I see that my thoughts of my loving Mom, that she wasn't loving at all to us kids. This cemented in when she put in her will that us kids (now grown adults) are to receive nothing, she actually had it written 3 times in the will. Whilst I agree my oldest brother was mean (and ironically the favorite) the point is us kids weren't bad at all, how could we be if everything (including laughing) deserved a belting. I hate my passed parents now. I hate they gave me a horrible upbringing, I hate how they left me with nothing. If I went back to the night my brother held a knife to my Dad's neck, I'd say DO it, and Mom too. As life couldn't have been worse than it is now. I understand how anger, whilst unreasonable to act upon, can place you in that position. These days I fully understand reason, evidence, sceptism rationality you name it. I think that was the issue when I was a kid, I didn't understand how my parents were so unreasonable, so damn wrong. That they actually wanted my life to be hell, and paved the way for it. My Mom's beach house with pool (they inherited money from their passed parents later on) she ended up fully giving to her 85yo 'boyfriend'. Who also happens to be a horrible person. Just everything about my parents I detest. I dream I'm back in time hitting them. And I'm a pacifist.
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  201.  @fenrirsilver6441  I'm bit of a logic and science nut too. but to answer some things you mentioned. "I sort of came from an open-minded family, it was Christian based.." Same, except my family felt that all theists were 'weak-minded'. As a child I just accepted this, but later on when older, I finally found out for myself they were correct. " I had convinced myself that a belief in that the world was a slain dragon" Quite normal as an impressionable open child. Actually come to think of it I too felt dragons were real once (and Santa too). I still have dreams of dragons! "I may even consider myself Christian" That's shameful. You are open and aware that there's zero sufficient evidence and zero good reason to believe in any of these claims right? Plus the Jesus criminal dying on a cross, and then he went against the vessel idea and his body flew up and away?? Um ok against most sciences, plus it was claimed to have happened in a highly superstitious ignorant era, its so doubtful its like probability=0. "I have yet to find a pastor or church that agrees more than disagrees" ALL Christians have unique personal beliefs totally separate to the next Christian. To me that line sounds extremely common. Oh then you raised the science debate topics. I find it strange you would believe in a mythical God, especially the immoral Jesus claimed God. You know the claim he decided to be a fetus then baby then child then teen then finally start preaching then become a criminal and gets capital punishment? Seems very odd because: 1. Couldn't he just lived for 2000 years? I mean Noah's grandfather lived until 968 or something, its not like its beyond the claimed supernatural species. 2. This drama queen action of sacrificing a man (himself) to die for everyone's Jesus sins!? Um, they were originally imposed by him in the first place, except back then he just (supposedly) proclaimed it. Why couldn't this God just wave his arm and say, I here-ith remove-ith all-ith sins I originally made-ith :) 3. Its clearly versed that he KNEW he would rise again in 3 days (his own supposed words). So... where's the 'sacrifice' again? And he knew he would be lord over supposedly everyone? Um, that's NOT a sacrifice, even I would have done that! 4. Um there have been so many self proclaimed 'messiah's' especially in this Arab land. Um I think there's a few around today even. Its NO shock that a madman would claim all this, unless you believe in all the modern day claimers? 5. I was going to write how the last legal 'crucifixion' was actually last year (YES in the Arab country again) and how this punishment method is not like WOW or anything, I mean its very inhumane and a horror story! But then I thought, I'm pretty sure I could write about 20 or more valid points and I'm getting tired, so stopping here.
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  250. +Evo Fraction My 'logic' is correct, although you may not be use to it. It is extremely rational to mock those that make up outlandish myths and state they are true. If your ideas come only from an old distant joke book so be it, it still has the same crazy stuff as any other religion. Since I don't believe in your god (or any other) and for me that would specifically denote NO god, then crazy versus from old text is just ludicrous however way you interpret them. For me its about evidence or even probability. Since god belief (and worse, religion) is not anywhere close to that, I find them to be utter nonsense. YOU assume that I am unable to argue with you (I suspect) when I have been doing this for decades. I have come to a clear understanding that religion should be treated with ridicule, hatred, and contempt - Christopher Hitchens. To ask me where's my proof of knowing there is no god, is the same as asking where's the teapot floating in space or fairies or flying horses! There's none, because all of that is not natural and EVERYthing so far is natural to our universe. God doesn't exist outside our universe, it exists in your imagination, and even if you truly felt what you were saying is true, you'd be trying to die as soon as possible to reach idiotic paradise. What's that you don't? Why aren't you praising this belief of death fully? Why don't you die immediately? If I knew heaven or paradise awaited me I'd close my eyes and walk down the highway, or off a building, because I'd be true about my beliefs. I find religious people weak minded and I'm happy to expose that to others, including you. Weak minded is probably the best description I've ever heard (ironically proudly from my own mother about religious believers). But the present day definition is religious people are deluded and gullible and scared. Which is basically pathetic. I don't know why you don't grow up immediately, but then I've never been religious. It surely controls your mind and keeps a strong grip. TRY your best to let go of these delusions, for once you see beauty that is not created by a mythical god, you will understand how beautiful it truly is, still you remain eyes closed. You cannot argue with a crazy person (points finger at you), so I hope you have a shred of humanity to fight this cancer of the mind called religion. The versus sounded like nonsense to me, posting them is the same as posting sick jokes. NO they don't make sense at all.
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  251. +Terezie Chamráthová "I´d think that you, Mr. I-love-science-above-anything-else should understand this." I do know science thanks for your enquiry. I also know YOUR religion, which obviously you DON'T! Trying to stay in order and NOT missing anything! Tacitus born 56 years after Jesus Suetonius 69 years after Jesus Plus you said both were hearsay on mythical jesus. Therefore this is NOT evidence. You also spoke of historians that I'm fully aware of the research. So far the conclusion is still out, NO definite answer - Likely NO jesus Christ ;) You said something about Christianity allowing to work on the Sabbath. Nonsense. "Exodus 35:2 ESV Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death." You mentioned the Ten Commandments from Bible revision 1. So obviously you believe in slavery and homophobia as well? You mentioned Jewish people? Have you even read your bible? I'm not even going to mention the Christian atrocities with this one! "You know, those species you say God wiped out HAD TO extinct. It is called evolution, sweetie... I don´t miss mosquitos as big as my leg" So... YOUR god decided wipe out 99% of his own creations and then finally about 13,799,798,000 years later THEN decided to send down his own mythical son to start Christianity? NOW there's the facts. ;) Why do YOU and all other Christians outright LIE? I can only conclude you fully realize its bullshit but want to deceive innocent children. Quite obviously looking above I know more than you on BOTH subjects. And apology by you is in order? Or at the very least leaving barbaric Christianity as the gullible nonsense religion it is!
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  300. If the suspect honestly feels she is being spayed with pepper spray (especially in court where a Judge is telling her so). Then it is irrelevant if it was not pepper-spray, as the victim (the suspect) as good cause to believe it was pepper-spray. And therefore can sue the Judge for assault. In case she wants to, she could have a strong case against the Judge. I highly suspect the Judge must be ignorant to this understanding. It is similar to a person holding up a bank with his hand in his pocket, and saying he will shoot anyone who moves. The person (once caught) will be prosecuted for armed robbery, even if he doesn't have a gun to shoot, as for all intentions he made everyone think he did have a gun AND would shoot it. And therefore provided the exact same action as armed robbery. The Judge is obviously lucky not to lose his bench license on this. Also note: MINIMUM penalty by law means you cannot go below this penalty. When judges begin providing lower than minimum penalties and sacrificing them for embarrassment or public ridicule, then he could be held for the crime of harassment. It is similar to social media where others may be victimizing someone online and on occasion these defenseless victims end up taking their own life. IF any of these accused people take their own life leaving a note: I cannot be seen in public in such an embarrassing way, especially shown to my friends and family and even work mates, including potential relationships I once wanted on single clubs online. If this should happen, then the Judge 'could' be held for Murder in the 3rd degree (manslaughter without intent) and see himself locked up for a long time. By imposing our own special personal penalties without thinking of the consequences to the accused (and others who may associate with the accused), may cause MORE harm than any 'minimal conviction' ever would have. Such is why minimum penalty has been debated out by thousands of previous cases and judgements as the BEST and only resolution within a court environment. The Judge is walking a fine line.
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  311. The Vatican is about holding George Pell's CLAIMED innocence, over a witness (the 13 yo abused sexually abused boy, who has grown up to be a man and now recently a real father of a newborn baby), who has stated that he was most certainly sexually abused. Men don't make up stories of another man putting their penis in their mouth (the actual facts of the matter), and they certainly don't begin their newborn's life with Daddy lying! Therefore the fact that this matter has already confirmed the prisoner Pell as a child sexual abuse criminal again and again and again, and that the judges themselves stated: The witness is not a liar (meaning Pell MUST be lying). Shows conclusively that the Vatican hold their clergy above the people, and as such are clearly in-humanitarian in their faulty reasoning and message to the world. I am truly disgusted with the Vatican for not doing what they originally said they would do. They said they are waiting for the Appeal to finalize, and will then strip him of his Cardinal label. NOW (after Pell lost the appeal) they say they are waiting for the ENTIRE legal process to end first!!! Where taking a conviction of child sexual abuse to the High Court Of Australia, is about the laws and proceedings themselves. What is the Vatican saying? That we should let all the child sexual abusers go? It is ABUNDANTLY clear the High Court process will fail yet again. So either they are hoping Pell will die in prison before the matter comes to court (HIGHLY likely). Or they just like delaying the process of being empathetic and understanding towards the people (no change). This NEW process will take YEARS, and only acts to keep Pell in jail, as someone who still does not own up to his OBVIOUS and legally shown GUILT. He is guilty, he's presently in jail NOT charged, but CONVICTED as a criminal, and even had his Appeal fail (yesterday). To wait many years of the High Court process to inevitably have George Pell fail again, is DISGUSTING abhorrent and will surely do harm to the Catholic church and their present followers. If you are going to church still knowing this, then you haven't just deceived yourself and family, you have deceived humanity including CHILDREN. As Christopher Hitchens said 2 decades ago: The Catholic church is a source of evil.
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  319. +Alan Silva I re-read all replies from the original post down. I then read it slowly and took in each word. (By the way, I'm not getting notifications from Google, so apologies for the delay). It seems you are addressing the point of how others can label themselves one thing or another, but this labeling may not actually describe the person clearly? I then came on and started questioning the nonsense you said. I have clearly steered away from the original post and tried to make you the center of it with your non-evidenced based nonsense. YOU then have taken offense to this, by trying to inform me your comment was regarding the video, and the original comment here. You also don't wish to be the center of attention, you just merely want to say your nonsense including re-labeling this person's grandmother (you said 'non-religious catholic', when I have spoken to a thousand Christians (definitely more than that) you ALSO are not aware or practice their 'religious' aspect, but continue to label themselves as Christians - an excellent example is indoctrinated Christian children). I dispute your reply that atheist and theist is the same (each having their own agendas or something). Clearly Christians are delusional, and I can prove that easily to you. Please explain your 'Supernatural' evidence you received? And it better not be words in your mind like a crazy person. What is your specific 'evidence' of your particular mythical God? (Note: You should be aware that any confirmed evidence of ANY of these 1000's of Gods, would provide you a prize of.. pretty sure its up to 10 million now! So good luck ;) ) We BELIEVE in things when there is good reason to, otherwise you sound gullible and deluded, obviously. +Annabelle Burkhold Thanks for your reply, and I hope any future replies pop up in my notifications. They are all similarly the same, believing in nonsense without a good reason or sufficient evidence. BUT the Christian religion specifically states things such as: Blood sacrifice shows your love???? An excellent example is this mythical Jesus dying on a cross to save others sins imposed on them by the same God! Um, I could have thought of a 1000 better ideas, and none of them involved torturing a 'son' for 3 days! This 'sacrifice' is absurd. In our modern day would have he had 3 days of painful cancer or maybe 3 days of bullet holes? Ridiculous. Slavery is upheld by your Jesus, he even states 'Slaves obey your masters'. This is one of many immorals of this worst religious belief ever. Women are 2nd class, nearly every verse with a female involved provides a worse option for the female than the man. For instance a raped girl MUST marry her rapist as long as her rapist pays 50 shekels!!! Was that ever good then or now? Children are definitely seen and not heard. Children in the bible are on par with females. If you are a child then you are not as good as any man that you must respect only because he's a man! Catholic I class as under the Christian banner (its reasonable). Catholics USE the bible to gain power and influence over children (lies and deceit), they even tell the children to follow a man (your Jesus) forever and not to think for yourselves, basically your God provided humans a brain to try to reason BY MISTAKE! Catholics more pedophiles around their church and do not blame them. I can see why, because when Jesus ordered the men to kill all the men and children (who were not Christian) he also stated to keep the virgins for yourselves. How do you suppose they determined which girls were virgins? (it wasn't by a sheet!) pretty sure (positive) it was keep the girl children for yourselves (for sex obviously). The Bible (Christianity) is the WORST or very close to, the worst religious belief of them all. Any further questions?
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  344. +Terezie Chamráthová Lourdes? Lourdes lies at the base of SNOW covered mountains! I thought I'd check the climate at Lourdes too: 2 degrees at 87% humidity. So when you said: "stream pouring from a rock", you wouldn't think that a scientific explanation of water trickling around the rocks or through holes in the rocks, would FULLY cover this 'miracle'? CURED by terminal diseases!!!!! < purposely over dramatized Why on Earth don't doctors tell every terminally ill patient to go to Lourdes then? You must think this quite strange. Here's an even more eye opening response. IF I were dying from a terminal disease (and since I smoke like a chimney its probably likely one day) I will NOT go to Lourdes! This is because SCIENCE has never stated that this sect in Lourdes has cured anything. If this area and sect did actually cure terminal illness, I'd say EVERY doctor and biologist and most other scientists would be there today, they aren't! This miracle thing is examined as much as Catholics want it to be examined. So far Catholics seem to be misleading or lying or NOT very helpful in these investigations. SCIENCE has asked that terminally ill patients be tested by multiple skeptics, doctors, scientists; and THEN once suppositively cured, to be re tested > Catholic response We won't allow that! (shock horror) THIS Lourdes place seems to have 'witnesses' as you state as children or others who are easily influenced. The sight itself was witnessed by a 14yo girl wandering through the mountains! It is BULLSHIT. Not only is it complete crap, YOU should not come on to a public forum and state, don't you know about Lourdes they cure the sick there! NO they don't, although they DO make people more delusional LIKE YOU. You understand people (such as me) take great offense when others say this (your) nonsense online. I won't be wasting my time going to pathetic Catholic Lourdes EVER, and I highly recommend NO one else does, actually I strongly advise not to. You then replied again stating lack of information. WHO? Me? Or that other guy? WE are trying to tell you that you are full of shit. PLUS we do not need to answer your ridiculous nonsense like Lourdes where there is NO evidence whatsoever of curing anyone. By the way, CURABLE diseases sometimes get better (people DO beat cancer many times) this is NATURAL. These 'miracles' are NOT proof of a supernatural. They are ridiculous gullible stories by horrible lying Catholics.
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  345. +Terezie Chamráthová Yes you can get the noble prize just by accidentally discovering something, I know, even other scientists who have spent a lifetime researching one area could be a bit upset by this to say the least. The accidental discovery of cosmic microwave background radiation at the edges of the universe is probably the most prime example of this. Gaining 2 noble prizes in science. Again you mention miracles and lose the point I have repeatedly made. I am saying that ALL scientific research on every single suppositive claimed miracle has been proved false - All of them. If even just one was - We have no explanation, and therefore there could be a supernatural cause! Then you would see skeptics, scientists and everyone with an interest swarming those places until an answer was found. At this stage - NO miracle has been justified, on the contrary ALL of them have been found to be completely false OR it was just a natural event (people's body naturally getting over their cancer lets say). I seemed to have hit home on you when I mentioned your mythical jesus christ. THIS is what should have been the conversation from the start. Do you know that no one, not even this jesus himself, wrote about jesus either at the time OR until decades later?? Remembering of course he was the miracle man, no one wrote about this?? Wow. Next, it seems that the Jesus story myth was clearly plagiarized by MANY other fake god's before him. SAME virgin birth SAME birthday SAME well nearly every fine detail BUT these mythical gods are all now not praised. You don't think its odd that the story of jesus was EXACTLY the same as other myths centuries and centuries before the reported jesus time? Next, your god decided to place his son in the middle of Arabia - The Middle East if you will, at a time (at that time) when these people were NOT the smartest in the world. It is reported that China would have been a better spot or many others, but NO, god decided to drop his son off in a place already known for deceit lies corruption and story tellers! Probably not the best place for others to believe such a myth. Actually extremely difficult to have faith in these people who even today believe in things you don't. No miracle of jesus was confirmed by anyone, NO story in the bibles have any sense or merit, NO evidence that this jesus ever existed at all. Actually to approach this intelligently with even common sense, the liklihood that jesus ever existed at all is UNlikely. The evidence at the time point away from jesus existing! Now the above few points are not the best arguments of why no jesus. Because the best arguments is that there are 1000's of good reasons why he didn't exist, and NO reason EVER provided to the truth of this absurd story. YOU must have faith! That's what the church states, well I don't. I find having faith, and only faith in this, nothing else you believe in, is the most far fetched ridiculous religious gullibility mythical story telling of mankind of all time. Which ironically is not much of Earth time! As you know your mythical god waited for thousands of years whilst people suffered, for hundreds of thousands of years whilst we died of CURABLE disease that washing hands would have been enough of a suggestion! For millions of years whilst we ever so slowly evolved! For billions of years whilst your mythical god destroyed wiped out 99% of all life species! And then for nearly 10 BILLION years ( about 9) where Earth started to form a crust AFTER the big bang, whilst blowing up suns and other planets all over the place!! And that's what you praise? Are you stark raving mad!
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  447.  @tdwz1652  Yeah I've changed the subject to be about NOT arming citizens! Especially deluded U.S. Jesus filth believing citizens! Regarding cops, I'm all for it. Put it this way if I went to America and a cop stopped me on the road, it would be definitely both hands on the dash and giving him all the ID he requests whilst announcing exactly what I'm doing very slowly! :D In other westernized countries if you put both hands on the dash and asked the Officer how you can help them today, I think the cop would crack up laughing :) There is NO NEED to do this whatsoever, its not like the cop's life is in question as citizens DON'T carry guns! And people who have illegal guns are definitely not going to bring it out at a traffic stop!! That would be quite useless, I'd say the entire police force would be after them!! As it does not happen EVER. Seriously it would be as funny as all fuk if you put both hands on the dash when a cop stopped you here. I bet it must have happened by U.S. people being on holiday here or something. Police: Um, what are you doing :D Driver: keeping both hands on the dash to show you that you're safe. Police: ? HahaHa Um, that's ridiculous, you can put them in your pocket if you like, its just not needed at all, but thanks for the sentiment I'm quite safe here, how are you? :) Citizens DON'T have guns. The 'criminals' that have guns are definitely NOT going to throw away their gun by bringing it out at a traffic stop! I mean getting a hand gun may have taken them years of going down shady alleys. Its NOT a simple process. If you had an illegal gun here it would be probably buried under ground! You definitely wouldn't have in the car!! What if a cop wants to search you car? You'd be in prison that day. By the way, LIFE In prison, means about 20 years here! Your 17yo's going to prison in the U.S. for 50 years!!! Is ridiculous. Um they are NOT the same person even after age 25. I actually feel sorry for people in your prisons for REAL life!! That's just inhumane!
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  449.  @olosolla  "Kim Land I don’t understand why god loves people like you" HE DOESN'T EXIST you idiot. There's NO Jesus filth 'upholding laws' of slavery and women must marry their rapists! NO Jesus filth cursing fruit trees "out of season"!! NO Jesus filth becoming a CRIMINAL then getting pointed out in a crowd, then getting capital punishment via crucifixion and THEN flying away BODY and all. I realize crucifixion capital punishment exists, but NO man God had 3 nails that stopped him being around. WAKE up, your religion is the embarrassment to the evolved human mind. There's NO sufficient evidence or even a good reason to believe! FFS, do you believe in Bigfoot too? Why not? There's no evidence for that too. He came with a sword? BANG he's dead! Sunlight can be a bit piercing, maybe they were speaking of the new day and setting of the Sun. YOU THINK? They were STAR GAZERS, from the point of Earth. 2000 years they thought the Earth was the center of the universe, its not even the center of the galaxy or even our solar system!!!! These desert ignorant superstitious ARABS made the insane story up, they did it again a few hundred years later with the revised Qur'an, SAME ARABS!!! SAME WOMEN ABUSE!!!!!!!!!! The 12 apostles star signs of the zodiac are NOT the same anywhere else on any other planet PLUS our zodiac is changing to the age of Aquarius from the age of the fish!! AND ALL our zodiacs completely change in a few thousand years. Astrology is NOT real. No tall dark stranger today, its NOT real.
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  463. Yeah I told you, no one likes bible wars because its blatantly obvious that bible verses are nonsense. All apologetic Christians NEVER bring up the bible for this reason, even atheists hate quoting the nonsense. But that was a copy/paste. YOU asked for the verses!! Whatever you still love your monster mythical God even after informed why he's filth. Certainly indoctrinated. By the way, since I looked up that Xmas post, I thought I better reply again to the sweet girl. Here's that reply I just made: Yeah I agree its all nonsense verses. I like the ones where mythical Jesus says' I have come to uphold the old laws' (LOL) and 'slaves obey your masters'. He was seriously for slavery. I mean earlier on mythical God spoke about beating your slaves as long as they don't die in a couple of days all is good! Here's the thing, if you are black or female or BOTH, you'd have to be mad to believe this. As for men, I can only suspect most are extremely controlling of their 'submissive women' (another verse) and the others are deluded as all fuck. Oh one of my (personal) favorites, which atheists never quote :( Is when mythical God says 'No one knows where the wind blows or where it comes' Um, that's because they didn't have phones or meteorologists back then! God: 'No one knows where the wind blows or where it comes' Anyone with sense: Um, I just called New York they say the wind stopped there, so... what are you talking about? God: I am merely keeping people confused believing in what I say for 2000 years until you work out I'm a fuckwit. Anyone with sense: Even Jews at the time you were around didn't believe in your nonsense, don't you find that a tad odd? God: I hate Jews and atheists. Anyone with sense: Isn't Jesus a Jew? Plus mythical God does not believe any external being created him, he is an atheist? God: I'll leave now Anyone with sense: Good riddance to bad shit! No one knows where the wind blows! We even know where solar winds come and go on the damn Sun!!
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  466. I missed your reply "if God came to you in-front of you or brought someone back from the dead in-front of you none of it would be enough" Of course that would be good evidence, except nothing EVER has happened like that! Atheists AGREE with evidence remember? "but yet you believe in books written by man where you wasn't even there to see the experiment" Um... Don't you believe in your bible without a shred of evidence? Regarding SCIENCE? Please explain the faulty science, I'm very good with the FACT of evolution and also Cosmology, both of these I have literally learned everything on. They are my best sciences. But since I speak to SO many deluded Christians, I have obviously confirmed all sciences with them. Please choose one What will it be? Entropy? Origins? Biology? Pick any you like, they are ALL based on FACTS such is the definition of scientific theory MUST BE BASED ON FACTS. You weren't there fallacy :) You weren't there at Jesus time, therefore DON'T believe it (or any book). Note: The fallacy actually explains that with science you don't need to be there! Just look it up, its easy stuff. Christians DON'T bring this fallacy up anymore because it makes them sound silly, look that up too. "I know my grammar sucks so my writing I cant really blame you..." Did you know that every atheist I converse with set out their replies coherently and clearly. EVERY theist does HUGE paragraphs!!! I think they think it will scare away reasoning minded atheists LOL "you should know that supernatural existence and events can't be scientifically proven" They can't??? Then why in the hell would anyone believe in them? Science is our BEST and ONLY way of understanding life and the Universe. "a shit load of demons " Um, scary monsters aren't actually real ;) "then I became Christian by a series of supernatural and physical event that happened to me" So for bad reasons that YOU yourself state you can't explain. I don't know does NOT equal mythical God! "my evidence is personal evidence and supernatural experience." That's NOT evidence. It is classed as delusion. "t if someone come to prove God's existence in a ..." in ANY way! So far NO one has EVER supplied any good reason or evidence to believe in their personal God >>>>>>>>> NO ONE! The time to believe in a God is when there is a good reason and/or sufficient evidence. Otherwise you are classed as gullible, naive, weak-minded, and specifically delusional. You know Krishna is a nice God, he loves music and dancing and happiness. I don't have much on him (except of course there's no good reason or evidence to believe in him) why not try THAT mythical God? The Jesus filth God, is either the worst or close to the worst of all the mythical God's believed in. Even the Quran has only a handful of verses that are plainly HORROR, but the bible is FULL of this filth! Any further SINGLE questions, or is it another scary paragraph of ignorance from you?
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  467. Hey thanks Vegirobin Excellent words, but I'll help even you out. Did you read the part where I said, that I don't particularly like (dedicated) atheist forums? (I don't mean Dillahunty or Krauss or millions of others, I mean those older style message boards. I'll tell you why. Atheists through secularism feel that theists have a personal right to believe in anything they like. Who's to stop someone believing in any absurd claim. But with theism their claims come out in other ways. Voting, EVERY single theist I speak with denouncing science; homophobia; LIES; the list is long. I was on an atheist forum for a couple of years and EVERYONE stated that its all ok to believe in mythical Gods, we ACCEPT them, actually we might even say 'Seeyu next week (with more delusion) Whilst we hear they have children or they don't like evolution (you know the FACT of evolution) or some other deranged mindset that comes out in other ways. I am a bit old fashioned. More of a Hitchens person. I agree that theism should be treated with ridicule and contempt. My personal feeling? Atheist forums are NOT helping. We need to be DIRECT to these people, we need to be clear and obviously show all references (now you're here you'll see I didn't do that, but if anyone asked I would have supplied it). These days I tend to speak with theist children. I don't swear or anything. I help them by starting with scary monsters are not real. I do know the exact meaning of atheism, I'm not as anti-theiest as I might come across here, I prefer to HELP guide people to begin reasoning again where they left off at age 6 or 7. And it works. As Dillahunty said recently, I don't mind all these slightly different atheists out there, the more times they say the same thing to theists the more likely theists will eventually get it. So I'm a tinge different to others, just saying :)
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  493.  @fenrirsilver6441  I'm reading one paragraph at a time. "I would say my perspective on the bible from the first verse to around Moses was just meant to be a parable." This is called cherry-picking. HEY you could take some 'good' verses from the Qur'an and even Krishna and possibly some psychology books, and just make Bible3. I mean obviously ANYONE can write a better Bible, merely by omitting all the contradictions and horrors. But it wtill comes down to: The Bible is a book of claims ONLY. Plus to say that this part is a poetic parable story, OH and this part about 10 commandments is the real stuff ;) Doesn't make sense! How do YOU know what's parable and what's not? Just guessing is it? Plus have you informed all the OTHER Christians that believe in the entirety that they are not 'true' Christians? Lol Damn, I just realized this is going to be a long reply if I do each line one by one! Maybe I will read the whole lot and just summarize. Damn still on paragraph1 (so annoying). "I don't think he is necessarily omnibenevolent, but he is incomprehensible and omnipotent." IF this is true (ie your belief that its true), then how could you believe in it?? By your own words 'he is incomprehensible'! That's like saying: We really don't know what Dark Matter is just yet BUT I believe (100%) that it must be made of cheese, prove me wrong ;) You see, just guessing (again) when you confirm you don't know, is NOT how any human above 6 reasons at a normal level. Your reasoning is BELOW normal. I'll try again to read the whole lot, but if you make obvious claims that are easily answered, I'll just bite my tongue because we'll be here all day :) Oh the only thing on paragraph2 I want to say is that a 3rd dimension being being able to see and act in the 4th dimension (and note you have the dimensions reversed, as its usually existing in the higher and seeing and acting in the lower, so you should have started him in the 5th dimension to exist in the 4th!). Anyway, seeing in the 4th dimension means he will see birth and being in the grave at the same time, AND he will see your outside body and then all your guts inside your body consistently turning around! No wonder he's so horrific to us human species. This supernatural species must be constantly throwing up. Oh third paragraph you weened in 'purpose' possibly better than any other theist has ever done! In my best guess based on reason. The purpose of the Bible was to control the people in this awkward superstitious and ignorant era. It made slaves work harder, women more submissive, and men who will give away all their stuff as they are going to a better place Lol. Before reading on, I got to: " I probably lean closer to Intelligent Design" Hmm, its always the Creationists who I have the 100 post threads with (not that I want this). The 'Intelligent Design' group have a good scientific understanding (well the ones online) but they have twisted these views so much that it either leans to: VERY deceptive liar, or VERY deluded. I always hope they are merely lying, because I could deal with common Christian psychopaths, but the deluded? VERY annoying. Anyway the 'Intelligent Design' people seem to have a conclusion (their God exists) and then they find scientifically intelligent reasons to get there. But THIS is the opposite to science! And therefore NOT the scientific method (which is presently our best and only method to understand all life and the entire Cosmos). In science we follow the evidence where it leads, oh and hint: No evidence of any claimed God yet (or likely ever). Therefore no good reason to believe in any. Oh, I must quote this: "The sacrifice was the pain of mortal flesh, and an excruciating experience too, the cross is bad enough but that isn't all he experienced. If you don't count the accounts of the "tears of blood" from the expectation of what he would experience or the very esoteric sense of taking on everyone's sins(almost like Ghostrider decided to do the penance stare on the whole world and direct it at him), he did experience a ton of flogging(which idk if you know is a whip with several tendrils typically with bones just stuck in it and used to slap and them drag, not just a quick flick or hit), being kicked and beaten, left to starve, humiliated in several ways, and then after all of that to carry about 100lbs of a cross miles uphill, and then the typical crucifixion happened(like the nails, the crown, the spear in his side, suffocation, propping up the cross, and the like). " But... He said (quoting the Bible) that he would rise in 3 days, and subsequently he was king/Lord over everyone? Um, ANYONE would have gone through that 'flesh' pain, especially a criminal like this Jesus character, actually I'd say all criminals would jump at this chance, wouldn't you? I mean eternal living Lord over everyone?? Give me triple what Jesus supposedly got and I'd STILL do it. ie NOT A SACRIFICE. No I'm not calling your mythical Jesus a liar (not lier by the way). If he existed as a claimed messiah (they are everywhere really), then I suspect he was deluded. Yes people die for their delusions, just look at all the deluded Christians and Islamics. Yes cause and effect. Although we don't know if the known universe even had a cause (ie time standing still in the beginning). Until we find evidence we can't just guess stuff and then believe it! That would be crazy. Freewill again! Put it this way (and even your own Jesus agrees with this). All people should NOT blindly follow any 'man' (mythical or not). They should find their own paths in life and not feel wrong in doing so (as long as those paths have goodwill intentions towards others; I mean if someone said: Slaves obey your masters even the cruel ones. We really need that type of person locked up away from society). Oh you edited with that 'incomprehensible' easy to jump on issue (as I did). But the last few lines were you really saying: I guessed the conclusion NOW to find ways to get there! That's NOT science, its NOT reasonable, and IS your biggest issue.
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  535. Evo Fraction Since you've read everything you'd know that the evidence an atheist needs is what your mythical god should already know. THAT is the evidence! I won't bother asking what your suppositive evidence was (and PLEASE don't tell me) because so far no one has ever provided any minuscule amount of evidence whatsoever. Its the old hypocritical standard that you feel you have actual evidence!! And for me to provide easy evidence that your god hasn't provided me (he must be a pig), you seem to think that's rational. It's not. PLUS you yourself have NONE. Humble in life, more lies, from a religious nutter. Why live? Unanswered still Science. As you know science continues to unravel the questions of life's origins and before the Big Bang. So far with evolution and and a million other things, especially unraveling the tiny amount known about the cosmos (you know, things like how planets and stars form, which may be against your god a bit). Science is the ONLY way to further our knowledge. You have obviously seen religion = zero; science = millions of discoveries that have moved religion further and further back. Energy Yes transforms all over the place and we are made of star stuff. BUT, when you die all your bodily energy is scattered all over the place, in essence YOU won't exist, but again you must know this from books etc. I don't have to bring up BASIC arguments like above. Its annoying and not required. Do you know of religious people who were helped in the thousands by it? YES science should be taught in school but not ridiculous religious beliefs. MY argument which is the NEW way of atheists. By the way atheists are open, remember YOU are the one who believes in mythical god and won't change. More stupid contradiction by you which at lasts starts me from the top again. MY argument is that ALL religious people are weak minded deluded gullible fools. And I have good reason for this. Not stated as its just natural obvious common sense stuff that you wouldn't comprehend. We should stamp out religion and mock those who believe in fairytales especially when they are against sexual equality within society and against science in whole. You make me sick with your old fashioned arguments that have been won by atheists EVERY single time. Religion ZERO Atheist checkmate believers you are religious fools.
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  544. +Terezie Chamráthová You"ll have to repeat the other so called evidence, but since again you wrote about Lourdes and the naive 14yo girl 250 years ago or thereabouts (sadly we can"t ask her anymore, and ironically even you stated how she was looked upon as insane). But all that aside, because I KNOW there is no evidence whatsoever in Lourdes or any other miracle or anything at all to do with a mythical god, including even if jesus or Mary actually existed! But again, I'll take a different tact that most religious believers surely don't know. Science is OPEN. Science is fully open to absolutely anything. I could contact a scientist and say, I have a talking bush or snake and they WOULD come and see (say if I sent a video and showed respected others who also confirmed). I'd have scientists all over the place testing and analyzing and I'd probably win the noble prize just for uncovering this discovery. THAT is how open science is. Religious people seem to think that science is not interested in things like miracle cures, when that is the complete opposite. If such a cure existed, especially where it might be one a day or one a year or even once in a century! That again would allow that person the noble prize, it would change the world, and most importantly science is OPEN to this and everything. When the false claims came in about Lourdes and crop circles and Noah's ark and Jesus's blanket and alien abductions and Bermuda triangle and so forth and so forth, ALL were checked on their merits, ALL of them. The conclusion was that it could not be shown that these things were supernatural or miracle or even unnatural, on the contrary science proposed the most likely answer was NATURAL and people deceiving others! THIS after thousands of independent skeptics scientists and interested others checked and were fully OPEN to anything always. The so called miracles at Lourdes and that naive young girl has been found to be wrong. Totally wrong, fully wrong and not anything else. If there were the slightest of possibility that there was the tiniest of confusion of maybe miracles are happening, scientists would be surrounding those places in the millions, heck I'd even go for this future breakthrough. But there is NOT, Lourdes same as crop circles and all other false beliefs have zero evidence and all things can be explained naturally or by corruption of man. It's sad that you and others must be explained to that science is open. This I feel is one of the main issues with the ignorance of believers.
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  570.  @katzenlady3245  According to their believed in Bible. At Mathew 27 : 63-65, their actual Jesus said: ‘After three days I will rise again.’ Therefore that's not a sacrifice! A sacrifice means doing something without knowing you'll get a supposed reward. And the reward of being 'Lord' over everyone, means that anyone would have done this, actually many people may pay bigtime for such a reward. So it therefore wasn't a sacrifice at all. Next, why is he sacrificing anyway? Those Jesus 'sins' were imposed on people by himself in the first place! To come down to Earth as a baby (Obviously he didn't like the fully grown Adam idea), live a life then become a absentee abusive criminal Father (again placing his needs above others) is: 1. Not what loving Fathers do. Most loving Fathers will actually stop any criminal activity to continue to stay with their supposed children, plus they won't leave and say: Fear me! As that's not loving either. 2. Why all this self dramatic torture over 2 or 3 days? Couldn't he do what he originally did when imposing the Jesus sins on everyone, and merely announce it? I mean talk about drama queen. Lastly (ok I have thousands). Each Christian is actually waiting for their absentee abusive criminal Father to return, BUT their idea on this is that their 'loving' Jesus will again commit mass genocide and kill everyone off in some massive torturous act!!! That's right, all Christians think he's coming back and when he does its going to be a mass bloodbath? Um, that's horrible. "I used to be fine with Christianity when I was younger but now it just sounds like a cult to me most of the time" Their words haven't changed or anything. They STILL feel the act of natural gays is an abomination! Plus wearing fabrics of 2 or more woven threads (mention in the same book) is also a sin. So that would be ALL clothing including diapers/nappies! We would need to wear 100% cotton or 100% wool sheets or something? The delusion of Christianity is tower of babbling mess.
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  704.  @GhostDrummer  Hi, I converse with people who have poor reasoning skills believing in things without evidence. Certainly I'm delighted to hear you 'don't believe in religion' (obviously religion itself exists, but I think you meant you are not actively religious). Straight up lets be very clear here. The OTHER people in this thread are less reasonable than you, with the common nonsense 'notta real Christian!' Please be fully aware that even the KKK are REAL Christians, so is any Christian who believes in the nonsense of a claimed desert Arab criminal 2000 years ago, who needed to be pointed out in the crowd (lets face it he didn't turn himself in willingly). And then believed before he was supposedly given capital punishment for his crimes that he was going to be Lord over everyone! Um not a sacrifice, clearly. I mean absolutely anyone would do the same thing if they believed in such a reward (similar to Islam's 72 virgins 'reward', who we won't pick on their nonsense here though). Anyway, you did say: "I believe in the relationship". I think you were implying: A personal relationship with Jesus Christ. OH... THAT means you're religious!! Remember you must believe in the claimed character of the Bible (he's the main character of the book) to BE a Christian! (If you are well versed you should give all your money to the rich church too, but we'll forget that nonsense part). Anyway, because you are a believer in Christ you are therefore a CHRISTian, and therefore religious. You don't need to attend any church! I mean most churches around the entire world are presently closed to even a single individual let alone the masses. SO all those people are not religious now? NO. They are STILL religious as they believe in the claimed Christ remember. What do you mean by 'relationship' with this claimed Arab man? Can you see him? Obviously no. Can you take a photo of him and you together? No again! Can you go out together and share times together? Maybe a theme park, a cinema, a restaurant? No huh? Hmm, your idea of a 'relationship' is quite strange. Are you meaning you have a relationship in your mind? Is that what you mean? I mean you too aren't buying clothes together, or this claimed Christ of yours doesn't drive you around as you sit in the passenger seat right? GhostDrummer, when I converse with people with clearly low reasoning ability such as yourself, generally its the first time the Christian has ever EVER thought about these things (well since about 6 years old usually). When we believe in things that are clearly nonsense, it feels like it is true (as that's why we believe in it). To question your own beliefs that you presently think are true, does take a strong mind, open to reason and obviously respecting that you can ask any question you like (this is called skepticism, an extremely respectful position to hold - it stops us from being gullible and naive). The question I have for you, is what is your evidence to believe in this claimed Christ nonsense? I expect you: Are ready at any time to provide the reasons for your belief? But I understand after doing this for 2 decades now NOT ONE Christian has ever provided sufficient reason to believe. Actually their poor reasoning to believe usually (actually its always) are reasons NOT to believe! But I can show you that later, if you answer the question. To believe a claimed Christ is coming back to murder everyone, likely in a very aggressive and horror manner, is especially disgusting. I mean it would be honorable and loving of you to stop such a monster, not praise it! But to believe that a claimed Jesus of 2000 years ago in a time of HIGH superstition and HIGH ignorance by desert Arabs is a true story!!! Without a shred of (sufficient) evidence or even a good reason, shows that YOU (and others) are somewhere between gullible and deluded, and as a "pastors kid", lets face it, you are highly likely indoctrinated. IF you had been an Imams kid, or a Scientologists kid or any other religion's kid (as there are 10,000 of them of course) then you would have had a 'relationship' with Xenu or Isha or some other claimed God. Which means that YOUR claimed God is just like there's of course (ie you don't believe in their Gods!). Christians are instructed its all about feelings and believing in things unseen (ie faith) but these are BAD wrong reasons to believe in ANYTHING. Its evidence first then believe, NEVER the other way around. Ideally if you (or anyone) want to ask questions it would be a good start. But Christianity in particular, have scared people away from asking questions and rather have: Instructions of Biblical laws (thankfully all thrown out now, all of them). Other religions are not as closed minded. So if you can be brave and strong enough to ask any related question I'll be happy to help. As after 2 decades I honestly think I have heard them all, but you never know. Your line of: "I’m not perfect" is a CLASSIC Christian response. Other religions do not say this. In Christianity you have been instructed you have been born faulty and commanded to get better! Christianity is known as the religion of morbid death and irrational fears (Islam is just war). So 'fear' is usually the biggest hurdle to get over. I can inform you now that any claimed agency who wanted to 'return' and kill everyone!! Is clearly a monster which any reasoning and good minded person would stop immediately. Ironically even Christians say a good Jesus is a dead Jesus. There are good people in the world and there are bad people in the world (mostly good though). But it takes religion to make otherwise good people do bad actions. Our beliefs directly impact our actions, and this is abundantly clear with your post (and others).
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  771.  @soulsunderseige4946  I appreciate your indepth reply. As I'm sure you are aware its not male/female, rather its enviromental, situational, upbringing, basically psychology. In other words the man can be a stay at hom Dad, and the Mom could be hard at work. These roles are placed on us from our upbringing and this is the very reason why childcare (kindergardens etc) now allow boys to play with dolls and dressups, and girls to play with trucks in the sandpit! Whilst none of this is defined, in other words its whatever the child gravitates towards. You wouldn't be against a young child playing as he/she wishes I hope? Sterotypical roles are now in the past. Go look up pre schools etc, its all about allowing the child to be themselves, which clearly is better. It just so happens I was a single parent of 2 kids from their ages of 3 and 4 (and clearly their joint parent before that). My daughter is now a Psychologist, and my son is Manager of a store. The both seem to be very well adjusted, and they ONLY had 1 single parent (me) their entire knowing life. However, since I am a rational reasoning person, I have previously investigated the impact of single parent families and what if any impact it has. I will agree it must be lacking, as if there were an opposite sex loving parent beside me throughout the time, it would have helped a lot. Clearly having two genders (male and female) to nurture the kids is obviously better, I suspect 3 or more genders would again increase this positiveness. How I did it (and yes a few brief relationships along the way) was to try to be the Mom and Dad. Now clearly I couldn't be both, but I was able to show emotions of affection and love, as well as a stable rational and supportive figure. Both sides not being man or woman of course, as a man can show great emotional love and care and a woman could be the strong minded rock! Gender roles are all interchangeable irrespective of sex, refer to the kindergarden point above. I find it extremely odd that you are aware of psychology (of multiple gender roles in the family) and gender identities, but at the same time you clearly come across as you are against them? This is odd because its backward thinking of you. Your words show someone who is educated but you come across as a sterotypical outdated old fashioned beliefs person. Its as if, and its difficult to ask this, its as if you are a Christain! Which would be extremely shameful and embarrassing to have such ridiculous outdated beliefs AND be educated! I really hope not, you're not a Christain are you? I'm thinking yes, as it shows!
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  772. I remember Cicada 3301. This is based on a post I made on BBS forums long before social media. Back then 'Tech' people were limited in numbers. Possibly seen as an annoyance if anything. We all had handles not usernames. Possibly coming from the sideband eras. There was Rollergirl (pretty sure she died) and Admin (yes the 'Admin' days) and so many others. It was the very beginning of policing a non restricted area, actually there were zero laws on the Internet. The 'DarkWeb' hadn't even begun, it was more about free Servers and proxies, and then to constantly move. If you didn't keep up, then you dropped off forever, as it was all about privacy. We worked out that: 1. Information should always be free. (capitalism destroyed this) 2. Privacy does matter. (privacy now completely gone, unless you are off, off the grid) The idea was to keep freedom and privacy alive (of course now dead). Actually these days everyone fights to be non private! And everyone is against free music, games, vids etc. - it's a crazy upside down world. Cicada 3301 (frustratingly slow) tried to build a web of private people, off the Internet. It was supposed to be Internet2, as everyone believed the common Internet would go down. But who wants to read a book? Or physically wander around in search of data? This new Web idea lost traction. Plus to 'unplug' from the world is limiting yourself! Internet2 could not work. Cicada 3301's challenge was to locate the 'special people' off grid, it became a lonely dead end. If you're still out there Cicada 3301, let me know. But I suspect you are a mere empty shell of an individual left behind still clawing onto its tree.
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  860. Tracie Harris, Jen Peeples and John Iacoletti all left at the same time. I cannot find official words by them in particular, however I do understand that these hosts in particular were very 'social injustice' warriors, always defending such things as abortion rights, women's rights and obviously rights of LGBTQ + community, mental health etc etc THIS seemed to have come to a cross-roads with the show wanting more theist style debates and less on community social mental health etc etc. (especially after receiving negative feedback on their initial transgender debate with Rationality Rules, where they lost 5K subscribers!). Obviously this is clearly represented by the ACA distinguishing between shows such as The Atheist Experience and parenting beyond belief (which does include long talks on discrimination and learning techniques). In MY view. once the fine points came out about: Lets do more theist callers and less of 'social community' type callers, THIS could have caused them to feel their thousands of hours of work and commitment was not appreciated (such is business I suppose). This is all just an idea of mine, could be totally wrong, but I don't think so ;) Regarding why Tracie is not fond of Stephen is because Tracie did NOT want an apology from Stephen regarding his original vid where the emphasis was not on science but more on how transgenders themselves are not equal to 'women' (obviously Stephen then did a better vid on the science of this issue not the transgender specifically - as was his original idea (for science) but got misconstrued). Anyway, (MY understanding is) that once Stephen showed his 'original' views on transgenders they were very strong on not ever accepting any 'fixing' of this. They literally sided with the small group of transgenders who are STILL against Stephen. Being VERY socially minded, you understand that this may not go along with science all the time. Again all my personal thoughts UNTIL we get the real words from the horses mouth :D
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  884. Rob Guyatt  No I'm aware that most deluded theists feel that their belief alone is evidence for why something is true. Exposing simple logic of what about opposing beliefs; ALSO has an answer! They feel that their 'brothers' in other religions are also correct as there are multiple truths (and obviously opposing truths) depending upon your personal experiences and ridiculous belief in something. In other words, Kevin brings up the common misunderstanding that belief itself is all that is needed to confirm something is true. And he suggested that if the entire world believed in some mistaken nonsense, then he feels that's how scientific stuff is formed like facts and scientific laws. Its quite common, I have seen it before from the deluded. It is actually a perfect example of how indoctrination causes a complete mind breakdown. Even when informed actual truths and facts they will STILL believe in their nonsense. Now your next paragraph. Oh I think there is a species that is able to consume a particular 'poison', but I won't get into that. You were going down how natural evolution process protects us by NOT drinking poison (that'll do). But my point was that in a world without knowledge (or respect) of science, then 'poison' will be likely proclaimed to heal wounds or remove evil spirits or something. You understand that's the theist's perfect (NONSENSE) world. ;) Plus I'm positive that at least 1 'virgin' maiden will be burnt at the stake every Sunday. Strictly speaking if religion took over fully then women would be classed as per the bible (lesser of men, and only for man's benefit. Plus the Bible itself stipulates that women can NEVER know the truth, only men can! So, yeah burning women would be common too.
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  890.  @17forever64  Yes that was an excellently written post by yours. I enjoy history and culture and US constitutional law, agreed being outside the country I still have a lot of confusion (after decades of conversing with US citizens) about specific areas. I'm unsure if I should burden you with those confusions or not, especially if its not exactly on topic. The rest of the world has come to accept the gun culture of America will likely never have a total ban of guns to citizens, however shocking that may seem to all outside of America civilized countries. Whilst I don't accept the common (constitutional) goto line of government tyrany, I do accept your expanded point of protection against a non action of government to protect the people. Over here police need to go through a highly rigorous method of Stage1 being a fitness, psych and written test. 6 months later they then go through an academy which is fulltime for 2 years. (I should add that even before the physical and psych test that it takes easy 4 to 6 months before your application itself is granted). AFTER the police academy they are not given a gun! They actually go to traffic duty for an entire year. There is zero need for a traffic cop to have a gun. Put it this way, if police stop you on the road (for speeding or anything illegal) you can actually get out of your car, walk over to the cop car, and ask why did you get pulled over (after the common hi/hello greeting). ie NO hands on dash here! After the 1 year of being a traffic cop you are finally assigned with any partner (that could change daily) and every single police car has 2 police in them. Oh and added point, we don't put 4 or 50 (!) police cars on anyone ever. If there were 4 police cars in a pursuit with someone, then I'm pretty sure there would be questions why 8 police officers were required! Generally 1 police car, with another not far away, in all situations. My daughter did a Bachelor of Pyschology AND a Bachelor of Criminology. She applied to be a cop. Clearly she passed the psych test but with all her gym training for the 6 months build up to the fitness test (never seen a more healthier strong young woman) she failed! The point is its NOT easy to become a cop. Once you are finally in a patrol car as a police officer you get assigned a gun (revolver single action, non automatic). Which is picked up and returned each day to the police station. HERE police are highly respected by 99% of the community, and all industries banks schools (and school kids) and everyone. It is a respectful career and can lead onto many varied areas. BUT when I look at the US police I see they don't seem to know the law? They seem arrogant and not community helpers? They seem to be very scared and trigger happy? AND then I notice that Sherriffs seem to be able to make up personal laws? (this forms part of my confusion). And even your Judges can let people off if the accused has a child to sit on the Judge's knee? This is impossible here, they can only follow the law, there can't be personal anything going on! Plus the law is the same acoss the entire state and varied every so slightly (somewhat unknown minor things) across the country. ie You can't have 1 state saying abortion is illegal and the other state saying its all ok, that would be madness. But yes you could have slight differences in some traffic laws etc, but not big things! Clearly in all other civilized countries abortion is quite legal, as which democratic country would dare to take away women's rights?!! Especially to their body! I'd say every woman (and men too) in the country would be outraged. My view on American laws/governments etc, it seems it tends to depend on personal views at times? Its too subjective. With such a personal variation of your Commissioners (or whatever their titles are) and Sherriffs it all looks quite odd from looking outside in. This post is long, but 1 more valid point. America has been the lowest of all civilized free countries for many decades. Recently they finally moved up to an average position (somewhere ahead of Lebannon or some place) they are NO where near all European and Asia (which includes Australia, not sure why) countries, which are all much freer countries than America (although your free speach - of abusing police? Is actually the highest, but overall America is NOT a good example of a free country). Which is rather ironic they call it the land of the free, FAR from it.
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  902.  @pikestance8851  Christian morals? Do you get your morals from the Bible? Which is it: Slavery? Punishing people who don't love you? Bringing a sword in public? There are so many immorals in the Bible and obviously OT, I don't think there's ever been a person EVER existing as immoral as the Bible God. Unless you're ok with world genocide? (which no doubt you are). There is not one good moral thing a non Christian could not do. Are you actually suggesting: Hindus, Muslims, Jews etc can't be moral? As an online atheist I'm very proficient of knowing the Bible (and comparative religions!). Secular society (clearly much greater method than Jesus sins) is not where we get our morals from, although clearly secular values are a million times better than religious laws. We get our morals through humanitarianism, such as respecting all people no matter their gender etc. Do you respect 2 natural gays getting married and then discussing adopting children? If you don't then you aren't moral. Whilst your Pope now says gays are ok (God changed his mind again) do you agree that a loving couple, no matter their gender, are moral? Or are they living in (now thrown out) Jesus sin? I know you aren't as immoral as the Bible God, because you're not presently in prison. Name me 1 thing that a Christian (or Catholic!) can be more moral than I can be through humanitarian means? I bet you can't. Showing charity is a part of religious beliefs Negative. .Org sites far outweigh any Christian service, but even if Christians are compelled to show charity (by being demanded to) that still doesn't mean your specific unsubstantiated God exists. You have been lied to. Your simple post here, shows me you don't converse with atheists much, as to get so many things wrong in 1 paragraph, either shows someone extremely ignorant or a liar. Which one are you?
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  923.  @clintmontgomery5108  I'm using the label 'children' in a colloquial sense 1. All people actually have their own biological or legal Fathers. 2. This Adam and Eve (especially) were not born of this 'Father' 3. It is Christianity (not me) that creates confusion on the word Father and 'children'. "But both characters Knew what they were doing! They were not children!!" As you are aware. BOTH of these people did not know right from wrong. It is the parent's responsibility to supervise the children, NO MATTER what 'choice' they make! Children (or a man and woman, who did not know right from wrong) cannot be trusted by any parent in assuming 'I told them so' will supposedly suffice! Merely telling them is NOT very responsible of the 'Father'. "Eve was given to Adam to take care of and Adam told her because she knew the command to not touch it. But it’s not clear if she understands why. And that was Adams mistake. It left room for the serpent to lie about the outcome of the choice." I know the story, but I tend to disregard these points. That you (and the Bible) are actually making the female lesser of a human! On top of this science informs us that Lucy was the most likely first upright walking Ape (or whatever the scientific term is for Ape/human is). "It was neglect but it was not Gods it was Adams." You still have not shown that. Because merely telling someone is not sufficient for them to robotically accept 100% forever and ever. It is quite human for people to decide for themselves what is better, and not blindly follow someone's orders. Generally I state (to common Christians within conversation). No one should blindly follow any man's (or entity's) orders, they should make their own paths in life with the good will of others in mind. ie I STILL find your God negligent. "If god is guilty of anything it’s having Hope in humanity that they would not choose to regent his guidance.because he absolutely knew it was possible that they could." That's contradictory! If he KNEW then he knew, its as if he planned for it! And if he had 'hope', then he should have realized that they may make up their own mind, especially since your God KNEW there was a 'Serpent' about! It actually 'seems' as though your God set this up from the beginning! Such things as world genocide (generally drowning in pain) by your God, is not a 'loving' responsible thing to do. Actually throughout the Bible and including when this Jesus decided to become a criminal, shows a supernatural species that place their OWN desires before others, at the cost of others getting some pain or death! (The freewill choice debate I'm not interested in, as science confirms we make choices before we do the action, and further studies show its not about mans choice! Its actually about emotion! Of all things. Hence I'm not going to speak of that). I still feel your God was negligent, and later history shows he did similar things of mistakes and negligence. I cannot blame Adam and Eve, as they did NOT know good from bad yet.
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  986. Drive hundreds of kms a week, and therefore 10's of thousands a year. I'm in a 2010 car with zero auto anything (except front windows, so futuristic how I can wind down the passenger window from the driver's side door) and THAT's it. Zero accidents over, well I think 30yrs now, unsure, could be 25yrs+ In city; suburban; regional; rural and even off road, and even in the actual bush! Lol What I see. Nearly every modern driver everywhere (you know, all the drivers who don't even know how to change a wheel over) unable to drive! No matter if their car is 2023/4 or Tesla or young or old or anything in between; I'd make a pretty strong observational statistic that 99.9% of drivers CAN NOT DRIVE. Including trucks and bus drivers. There's a known psychological condition that everyone (ie me) believe they are the best driver on the road. Suffice to say I've factored this in, and as I thought, I don't see many other drive as well as me, possibly no one within some extreme large radius. Especially since I live in a high migrant (brand new homes) area. You know, a high percentage driving with lights off at night, or their sudden stops behind me as I gradually slow for the obvious red light seen ages away. What is the deciding factor then? Automated cars (which I wish I could afford, at least a 5 or 10 yo car, not my old b0mb) Automated cars, are dealing with BAD drivers! Good drivers + automated car = even better. Bad drivers + automatic car = Well lets just say the new car goes to the rubbish tip.
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  988. There's this society viewpoint that its somewhat impolite or not good to discuss how magic beans and a house in the sky, I mean magic being and mythical heaven is absurd. That we should live in a secular society of people entitled to any belief they want as long as they don't impose those nonsense beliefs onto others. You know like natural gays are an abomination and how theists voted to not have any of that rainbow love being allowed within society through marriage, or how the fact of evolution is a 'controversial subject' (only by theists btw) and therefore theist parents should be allowed to decide their children are not taught this confirmed known science, or by atheists who announce there is no good reason to believe in any mythical gods, and theist then quickly claiming I'm going to their Christian Hell and I'm a bad person! There's a lot more regarding all their unfounded beliefs and anti-humanitarian stance, especially how we define morals Hint: Its not what their God says makes it moral. So secularism and respecting others personal beliefs actually more often than not seems to be also displayed as a bad thing by theists. I can't tell you how many times I have merely advised say a young teen (with all respect and friendliness) that actually there's no evidence or good reason to believe in any mythical God, only then to have another theist (or theists) jump in immediately and state how bad I am and that I will be going to their Christian Hell?? Advising them why Christian Hell is nonsense through knowledge and reason only seems to make them even more angry! I know what you might be thinking, oh that's just the opinionated theists that are simply opposite to the opinionated me NOT ALL theists could be like this, could they? "But I must admit it doesn’t make you any more “open minded” or “realist” as you think. That is a dangerous thing to say, and in the end we all know nothing of the world. The only belief we should practice is to be kind to others." How is it dangerous to inform them of their faulty reasoning? (these are rhetorical questions). How is it wrong to inform a child online that no one should assume to know precisely that their particular mythical God is the right one? The only belief we should practice is what we DO know through empirical evidence and how mere human reasoning shows us that their beliefs are unfounded. Through this we can discuss society laws and how to treat each other with good morals. No child should follow a man, mythical or not, for their entire life. They (and adults) ideally should decide what's best for them with the support and knowledge and reason they have around them. Throwing reason out the window is not only delusional its dangerous and it DOES effect others as clearly shown consistently within all societies. Even a small amount of Christian poison of the mind is still not good for you. To be openly atheist (in non theist dictated countries) is a GOOD thing to be open about, the more that people become aware of their unfounded fallacies of absurd Jesus nonsense, the better more informed person they'll be within reality.
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  989. Matt Dillahunty had an open conversation to a young theist and it went like this (note ALL theists will agree with what the theist states here). Matt: Do you agree with slavery, as stated in the Christian Bible? Christian: We follow the word of Christ, not the old testament. Matt: I didn't ask you that, I asked if you agree with your God's word on slavery? Christian: In those days slavery was justified as paying off your debts, we are still slaves today within society. Matt: The Bible does not speak of paying off debts, it states you can buy and beat your slave as long as they don't die in a couple of days! You can then pass your slave down to your children. People of society these days are NOT slaves as depicted in the Bible. WAS IT EVER GOOD TO OWN A SLAVE THEN OR NOW, as stated in the Bible by your God? And why can't you answer this? * Christian: Jesus came to teach us how to treat each other with love, the old testament I don't believe in. Matt: Your Jesus came to 'uphold the laws of the old testament'. Oh so you don't agree with slavery then? Since you haven't told me your answer yet. Christian: I believe in Jesus Matt: You could believe in leprechauns if you like, but why won't you answer if you don't agree with slavery as what your God stated? Did your Jesus state that slavery was wrong, when he said 'Slaves obey your masters'? Christian: We follow Jesus now... MATT HANGS UP PHONE * Matt: This is the problem with Christianity and any nonsense religious belief. When clearly shown their beliefs don't go along with what we know of is true today, they prefer to lie or attempt to steer the conversation away from the actual question. Thus Christians obviously should not be guiding any child. OH and the answer to 'Do you agree with slavery, as stated in the Christian Bible?' is NO. Matt actually stated this part a lot better than I can say here. BUT please provide just ONE Christian who is not for everything the Christian stated here. These Christians are not only lying to themselves they have lost their mind and ability to reason effectively. They are damaging to all others especially children, just purely regarding their personal beliefs in nonsense.
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  1021.  @talldarkandahandfull5781  I don't think you erased my comment. However I do see this often on Christian type threads. Whereas on atheist sites it never happens! Just my experience. Prophesies need to be specific. Day date time, names of people there, exact description of the future act to happen etc etc. Plus they should be beyond what could be done normally in the known natural world. Ordering a sandwich and then getting one is not an overly wondrous prediction. Similar to saying a land will fall or even be in power 'one day', is also not an incredible prediction. Especially since many of these so called Bible prophesies took thousands of years to happen! A prophesy given to us by supernatural knowledge in a future event, should be overwhelmingly miraculous. Above and beyond what could seem to happen in normal life. Such as: The Moon will become a Earthlike over night on this exaxact date at this exact time. Although such an example doesn't equal therefore a God (as you still need evidence for that baseless claim) plus as you know correlation doesn't equal causation. In other words predicting something and getting it right (thousands of years later) doesn't mean I'm therefore a God! You need evidence of the claimed THING or agency or God itself. Or even a good reason to say there's no other possibility at all. But all the claimed Bible prophesies seem to be quite normal to would could have happened eventually anyway! Its shocking your claimed God didn't realize all this. Do you think he's an idiot?
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  1034. Agree, generally psychologists (even child psychologists) will mostly speak to the parents to help guide them better with modern knowledge. Take your example. Losing your temper is merely about managing your emotional outbursts. Temper or happiness or really any emotion, should have some management plan by you, imagine doing this at 21 or 35, people will think you are nutty. Children though (ie 13) are still learning to manage their emotions, its not instant. It takes about 3 months to get under control. Your parents could help you by having a keyword or something, as an angry out of control teen usually is incapable of reasoning whilst still in that mode. You could speak to your parents and say: Next time I lose it, say: Rumpelstiltskin. This will immediately remind me that I didn't even know I was out of control. If I argue with you: I'm NOT out of control !!! Just say: Rumpelstiltskin again, until I finally realize: Maybe I am out of control, and then begin relaxing again. Put it this way, best to manage this now, not at 18 or 21 or 51 Lol Also your issues may seem minor to parents. But they are obviously dramatic to you. Remind them they need to acknowledge that whatever issue you are having (and lets face it 13yo's are going through a lot of changes neurologically and their body - which most feel awkward about, if not all teens). That whatever issue you are having is obviously important to you, they need to listen to you but most importantly acknowledge that this thing, situation or whatever it may be, is dramatic for you. Give me a reply back in 3 months :) Or anytime really.
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  1045. +dragonbreathstorm If you just wrote 2 or 3 lines (the EXACT beginning of your huge paragraph) that would have sufficed. I pride myself on rational (to topic) reasoning (stating facts as you want), and avoid wasted nonsense! You should try that too. You asked (way up the top) WHY don't I show evidence, and at least debate YOUR (creationist) info, that you have directed to already and stated lots more information against MY (atheist//science) standing. WELL, first I stated it's NOT a popularity contest. If MOST people believed in slavery is that the AOK? But STILL you state things like this? Should I pass it off and respect what you are asking, or deal with your nonsense? Here's an example: Kim, cats can fly so why is it that.... Dragon, WAIT, cats can't fly! Kim you didn't answer my question at the end on the sentence! Dragon because I FIRST must state the nonsense you started with! You see dragon? I'm quite happy to be respectful happy NON abusive, open minded (to this illusive info you have) and maturely comment back. Heck it MAY be interesting. Knowledge is power and all that. When YOU speak to others KEEP on YOUR topic, and begin to assume that others will pick up on (your extras) nonsense tit bits, they may even make a mountain out of this rubbish which is NOT even your point! That's why! Now, if I am to be the adult and answer your question (just another point of view, possibly even from another culture, ALL good for you), then do NOT state things, that at this stage I'll jump all over the top on. YOU know what those things are. Hears a heads up again: Don't quote the bible, I can't even control my replies on this! Don't say things that are silly or nonsense, I'm open to your 'info' and happy to provide you 'sources' of links and quotes and science!!. Don't state books that are centuries old! Don't treat me like a scared child, I'm NOT one of your adult living in fear believers. (I honestly feel children DO know the truth, it takes YEARS of church instruction to warp their brain). So, there we go :) Again your question! Do you honestly think I will provide confirmed site links on facts of micro/macro evolution; when this info is so readily available it shows me that THESE links will NOT change your mind. EVEN when I point out that evolution is correct through science and therefore accepted as correct to ALL people, YOU feel you have an award winning defense! Against this fact. With your writing (and additions) I did not provide the respect to reply to you on it. By the way, Who has in the past? Do you want to be heard from people who enjoy knowledge or not? I'll tell you now, I had a debate with someone who wasn't religious, and still believed in a god, here on Youtube. It took months of debate, and in the end he mentioned about entropy and questioned other areas of physics. What did i do? I thanked him, then went straight to the most respected science sites and questioned them! I openly stated this is the deity's argument, BUT it's quite sound, where am i wrong?? (or where is he wrong). The science gave me a HUGE explanation that you'd need to be a scientist to agree with, NOT good. At this stage that 'guy' won. I'm happy to tell him that, so I DID. My answer was, I do not have enough information and therfore concede as I don't know and may never know, effectively the default position that you (he) states it is true and I'm without any input on the matter, you win. THAT's what I wrote! Be fully aware I DOUBT very much i could EVER agree with a creationist, but that's only because I KNOW so much about the subject. So there you go. Simple 1 question, with maybe a couple of lines is ALL you need to help YOU.
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  1049. +dragonbreathstorm Yes the word 'belief' in science or religion is defined nearly as the opposite. After reading your (non thought out) reply I see the issue with you is not the overwhelming ZERO gap in such things as evolution. Nor is it it the fact that pointing to 1 specific species or concern like female hips in humans (or other species) only allowing babies to be born that are still overly dependent on their parents. Nor is it the nonsense that any holes exist in evolution, which guess what NO. Nor is it that you don't understand that 'intelligent design' assumes an intelligence creates life when there is ZERO evidence of this, and somehow the intelligent understanding of evolution seems to be similar? Your main issue is this 'belief' word, that you know that religion seems to feel they hold the monopoly on. You do understand that the ONLY time we believe in something is when there is reason to believe in it, once the nonsense reason is removed (say like the false love for another person, or religion stating witches were real) Once removed, we then don't believe in it. Actually the fact remains that belief itself is NOT the reason why things are true or not, since beliefs can be removed. I'll state that a bit differently. When we find good reason to not believe in something, we stop believing in it. Actually I cannot think of anything whatsoever that people believe in anything at all without some good reasoning for it. Belief is in itself reasonable ONLY regarding evidence. If there is NO evidence or good reasoning for something we stop believing in it. So far religion is the ONLY exception to this natural human rule. Religious belief (redefined belief), is the belief in a god without any good reason at all. We don't do this for anything else at all in life or the entire universe! Next, since evolution is not a belief as religion would describe. Be fully aware it is without gaps, it has TOO much evidence (more and more everyday), due to the evidence alone we reason correctly that is is fact (not theory, we are not talking about scientific theory). Even professor of biology Richard Dawkins states that evolution is FACT without gaps and based purely on evidence, hard facts. When others state they believe in the fact of evolution, this is reasonable. But to state they believe in evolution (or not) is just ignorance. We believe in evolution because it is fact. Faith: Is the belief in something without evidence Evolution: Is the belief in something based on evidence. Scientific theory = fact Every/any scientist will tell you this. They do not state 'fact' whilst in their labs, but to the entire world it is fact. Fully agreed upon. Belief requires evidence or good reasoning, without this it automatically becomes non substantiated belief about nonsense. I understand that religious people do not comprehend science. And to slowly accept the facts (such as evolution based on NO gap evidence) is difficult. Therefore a better approach would be to look at nonsense beliefs in religion. God: NO evidence, based on myths and legends. No reasoning for existence. Maybe a race of wild pygmies did it? Again not reasonable. Been confirmed as a corrupted feeling. Recent scientific tests (readily available online) confirm it is related to a psychological issue of the mind, generally created in a young age or when emotional disaster happens, causing corruption in human reasoning. Some defining words accepted by science are: Deluded, foolish, gullibility or mental illness. Evolution is a fact. Based on too much overwhelming abundantly clear evidence. There is NO alternative or opposition to this, no one is contesting evolution > NO ONE. Except for the nonsense of religious 'believers'.
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  1052. +dragonbreathstorm Of course ancestral whale fossils exist! 1978, paleontologist Phil Gingerich discovered a 52-million-year-old skull in Pakistan Pakicetus with common characteristics of Archaeocetes (the oldest known whales) Regarding my definition of evolution in respect to evidence. Those were my personal words and not the eloquently placed words of scientists that I obviously agree with: "The changeability of the genetic code over time, with variations inherited by successive generations through reproduction" There is one way to state it. But we should not concern ourselves with genetic code or changes in life species. Lets just look at your simplistic idea for clarity and 'you are not ignorant' understanding. What is your understanding of the reality of life species existing? Do you think that a huge whale was popped into the ocean, and these uncovered fossils of mammals with extremely similar characteristics (obviously now extinct) were those fossils placed there by your god too, to have a laugh, or test us? Why speak of the whale when there are clearer examples of evolution in other species (especially including humans). Is it to show that my point that evolution is fact, and all further evidence only adds to supports that, that you want to 'prove' that evolution is with gaps and therefore not fact? Well I find that mighty strange when you propose that every life was created without the slightest shred of evidence! ZERO, Zilch, nothing. Of course I understand you don't want to go there, BUT your apologetic attack on science, mirrors your unfounded feeling of nonsense. Edit// Found a spelling mistake, so I had to correct it. As for grammar I left that the same :D
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  1053. +dragonbreathstorm I feel we are becoming more straight out about such things as equality and natural understanding of everything, basically science. I also feel that sometimes giving lets say, theists a reasonable evidenced based argument about such things as the fact of evolution, should have words such as 'deluded, ignorant and mental disorder' attached to them. I am not shy in stating known facts. Next, I think you may have mixed up this cannot disprove a deist towards a christian god (or any other religion). Of course we can easily disprove a religious god by reason alone. But to suggest their 'may' be a god because atheists 'avoid' this fundamental question of origins is just wrong. Science continues to unravel the old mysteries of life, there are some 'unknowns' that science tries to make sense of, or continues to find answers to. A simple example would be passenger planes can fly (they can even cargo elephants on them!), but speak of this to people thousands of years ago (maximizing for ease of understanding), they would say "there is no way in hell that no matter how much time, no matter how many millions of years and how many possible locations on earth there were, to create ... " passenger planes! Unknown are unknown. We do not automatically state we don't understand where lightning comes from (now we do), therefore mythical god! Nor do we say where does life come from, therefore mythical god! The label 'god' is antiscience, it is a dumbing down approach and it is not an 'answer'. Especially since there is no evidence of this mythical god. Maybe a pink pig flying backwards did it? That would be the same as saying a mythical god did it, and therefore silly. Complex organisms is not the start of evolution exactly. But you would agree that with these indisputable facts of evolution science has come a long way. Origin of life itself may only be less than 2 decades away (this is a scientific prediction based on evidence). Once THAT is found, would that be the end of god believers? Because I would have stopped believing in the nonsense of a mythical god (especially christian god) when our Earth was found not to be at the center of the universe. (Galileo's observations which was in conflict to catholics, how ironic!).
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  1055. +dragonbreathstorm Continent drift is observable. Even today continents move inches from previous years. If we actually look at the continents that have moved away from us they are basically a perfect fit! I'm aware of the speed of light. Although I always get stuck on labels (I'll call it a mind retention issue but undiagnosed and only speculation at that, actually I think its because I'm reading up on science constantly and THEN talking to christians, that could easily cause issues :) ) Do you know that EVEN if the speed of light is at its literal slowest point, when we look at REAL satellite pictures, these terrestrial objects are MUCH further than 6000 years away! We are talking MLY, the factor is not out by 1000! (or more under your idea). Even the sun itself (VERY close to us) is still us looking at the past when seeing its light, due to the (short) distance. So why do galaxies exist SO far away? Was god all knowingly thinking he'll have a laugh? Some 4.5 billion years after life first formed on Earth, and scientists could finally view these galaxies? Population is exponential. I don't even want to answer this simple maths. When science calculated (correctly) populations of life species, there are TOO many for 6000 year span. As I stated, god must have gone mad with placing thousands of dogs (or wolves) and billions of useless fish! And obviously bacteria and germs and even influenza virus, he must have gone over the top on population on that too. Plus every single other life species. I might create a kangaroo, NO wait, lets create 100,000 of them just for fun! Even if science was out by (a factor of) 50%, our Earth would be way older than 6000 years. Exactly what is the limit that you feel science is out by? 100%?
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  1056. +dragonbreathstorm I looked up "black plague population graph" on google, it clearly states a DROP of that era. I suspect the graph you were viewing was in regards to the constant increase of population over decades/hundreds or thousands of years, and did not place the black plague in, since others would question why our population dropped in one area for a moment in time. I don't believe in the bible (shock horror) I don't find it to be a reliable source of if supernaturals exist or not. My understanding through reading most or I'd say all of it by now, is that it consistently contradicts itself, provides bad morals (although at that time may have been reasonable morals, obviously not now) and even churchies state it MUST be re-interpreted all the time (therefore keep it away from children of course). I hope your entire belief is not based on this fictional book (that has some common history of the era within its nonsense), written by anonymous goat herders is the reason for your unfounded beliefs? Geez that would be sad, maybe try the quran, another fictional book but at least it will show that these books are obviously not a good reason to believe. So just to finish up on that animal/insect and germ population thingy. You state that yes it seems comical but mythical god MUST have overdone certain populations of species to suit the land/sea mass. Damn god, there he goes again with fixing a mistake (making too much land at the time) with another mistake (say too many viruses) to cover up this fault of his.
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  1092. Yes. Firstly this statement should cause anyone not to praise such a horror: "He could be punishing some of those people who died" Next, he obviously DID allow more people to die that day therefore you would agree that it is never a good time to pray for anything, as you are testing him for his compassion, or you are trying to change what he already has decided upon and seen. You would agree prayers are useless then? As in this test MORE people died due to it. "I begin with the conclusion that God is God. God is innocent until proven guilty. Did I miss anything?" You have it the wrong way around. Atheists are the ones saying they have not got enough evidence, therefore they cannot state guilty, and the fact then goes to 'Not Guilty'. Whereas you (theists) say that due to lack of evidence you do find that he is guilty of being alive. And this is ridiculous. You seemed to have countered what I just said by saying you begin by saying god exists ('is god'). But you cannot begin knowing anything, until the evidence is available. Since there is NO evidence or good reason for god to exist, he is classed as Not Guilty of existing and therefore doesn't exist (or in court > He didn't do it). It is remarkable you have this the wrong way around on a court analogy, as this analogy was originally made by atheists to prove yet another point. I of course keep forgetting that theists will grab all these things that atheists state and then turn it around in a nonsense contradictory way. Most irritating. In a court of law, your god does not exist due to lack of evidence. He is therefore thrown out. (Obviously he may not be innocent either, but no one knows this). I wrote the above quickly, I probably could be clearer. But I suspect you have heard this analogy from atheists previously. Strange twisted way you put that backwards, interesting, very deceptive of you :)
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  1093. Thanks for your questions. You can press <enter> key to create a new line, whilst holding the Shift key down on the keyboard. For mobile phones etc, actually I could find out but I'm not sure about these devices. In line with what you said, top to bottom. "God is God", is not a great saying, you are definitely defining something with the same thing, I prefer you don't say that as it means nothing. No God, is No God ;) 'He' does not define morality. First of all you need to confirm this he exists! Secondly IF your god told you to kill your son would you? I wouldn't, therefore my morality is higher. Morals actually don't come from ME or any other specific entity. It is a collection of ideas we live by for the happiness and safe life of everyone. Your god exhibits none of that. Societies make morals with the people and era in which they live, they are subjective depending upon where you live and in what year! Testing god is not allowed! If you cannot test or check he's there, he probably isn't. Instead of thinking your god doesn't like tests (he must be very childish) maybe he just didn't hear any prayers at all, as there is no (zero you understand) evidence 'he' exists in the first place, let alone answering silly prayers. YOU have enough evidence to believe in god? You understand you would be the first person EVER to supply 'evidence' to this god existing. I don't even want to ask for your feeble evidence as I'll answer why in a moment. Atheists do not say god does NOT exist. You would think somewhere once a priest, man of the cloth, clergy man, a man, would have told you. Atheists say there is NO evidence of a god existing so they don't believe in one. Do you believe in the Loch Ness Monster? You understand there's actually more evidence for that and EVEN that I don't believe in, due to the lack of empirical evidence. I therefore don't have to 'disprove' your god, as that wouldn't be an atheist, I don't even know what that is called. Faith. Faith is what people have when they have no good reason to believe something is true. IF you had a good reason to believe in something then you obviously wouldn't need faith. Why do you believe? (Rhetorical question) Because this and this and this and this. It is NOT faith, since that's actually not a good reason. Muslims have FAITH in Allah. Scientologists have FAITH in Xenu. Before your mythical jesus, people had FAITh in Thor. There are actually about 10,000 FAITH believed gods. Obviously faith is NOT the answer. I mean extremist Muslims kill themselves over their faith, they are FAITH Mad, and still this is not a good reason. Faith just means without evidence. My superior point. THIS brings me to that point of, don't tell me your nonsense reasons you believe. Did you know that EVERY single fallacy every christian has ever brought up (including your leaf thing next) has been CONFIRMED as wrong. Over and over and over again. By ME, by SO many others, by anyone who can reason even a tiny amount. I'll tell you now a 10 year old can be the best atheist in the world, once they learn all the theist fallacies it is EASY. Very easy, it has been stated by many it is > simple, to debate against a christian. Now that's sad. Science calls you deluded due to your lack of reasoning. I know this sounds all rather mean. But this ENTIRE post I have written, is SIMPLICITY, anyone knows this stuff, except christians obviously. Creation design, how can it be explosion of random gasses or protein! :D NEVER heard of that! YOU have heard of that because someone is obviously lying to you. There is NOT 1 scientist or reasonable person who thinks our Universe randomly formed the way it is, like how (the christian example) forming a jumbo jet by throwing all the parts in the sky :D Very annoying. Our planet, and trees and leaves and all things on it formed naturally like any other planet (we expect to find life, likely plants or cellular on another planet within 20 years) The universe began 13.81 BILLION years ago. To understand this > humans have only been here for 200,000 years, we are not even seen on the biggest graph you could think of. Because BILLIONS is so long, that tiny changes through gravity and energy (known energy) formed galaxies then solar systems then planets then life. It is NATURAL changes over billions of years, and is well documented. It is so documented it is our best (and only) known forming of the universe. And since you brought up leaves, all LIFE evolved and this science is the BEST most comprehensive evidenced based science there is. We know more about evolution than ANY other science. Evolution for the last few years has been defined as: Evolution a 'scientific theory' (that's the highest in science btw) and FACT. It can never change (facts can't change) it can only be built on. Is your idea blink Adam, pull out rib, Eve? That is the worst idea ever ever ever thought of. A long post, but you brought up a lot. Maybe ask 1 question at a time.
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  1108. Icon thanks for your question. The jesus belief you speak of is only 1/3 of the world population. MOST people do not believe in it (Theses may be Islamic's or Buddhists or Jews or atheists or generally most scientists). It seems your particular god is quite happy to burn all these people (most people) in your mythical hell. I don't think I'd be praising such a mythical monster and coward - he doesn't even want to show himself in a selfie let alone in the stars or anywhere on Earth. Your jesus has been made up originally from the Egyptian zodiac god believers in search of the coming of Pisces on society year 0. The Catholics and christians removed all the star gazing work of the Egyptians and twisted it around to suit the Romans at the time. Incidentally the fish sign fully leaves on the year 2140 where the Age of Aquarius begins. Zodiac (12 signs of the skies) is just from the Northern hemisphere from the viewpoint of a person standing on Earth. ALL those star signs look completely different from the Moon or any other planet. What would you be saying to life found a million light years from here? I'll tell you now there is NO jesus fish sign for that evolved species. Not everyone (most people do not) believe in your mythical supernatural jesus. So far all the 'christians' have not even provided any evidence OR even a good reason to believe in this jesus filth. This is why the thinkers state that you are delusional, you may as well believe there's a fire breathing dragon in your garage but you can't see it or feel it and there is zero evidence for it. You sound like a fool, I am sorry your parents didn't inform you that the jesus story is utter bullshit, yes I blame them for your lack of knowledge.
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  1112. There is no 'reason' to believe in a mythical god and you have not provided any whatsoever. Again you finish off with nonsense prayers and you you even commonly suggest that your christian absurd faith is being victimized, when I am constantly trying to keep in line with my original point that the 'god' part of this visitation rights with family is not in line with our secular nation let alone science including psychology, I mean you are aware that religious belief is called delusion I hope? Belief in religion is classed as 'illogical' or more precisely delusional, due to there being no evidence OR reason to believe in this supernatural. Plus your particular god belief (they are all personal beliefs, so who knows if you are a christian who doesn't 'believe' in evolution? Or any other absurd iron age testimony). The fault with religious belief is not that anyone can believe in anything (which may be ok) but that it promotes its nonsense to others and subsequently belittles science generally lying to gullible people, children, and likely people of less intelligence or those who have found their way into prison. I find this to be abhorrent and even against our own laws of equality and secular values. Such nonsense as 'praying' has already been fully tested by willing 'men of the cloth', where the ones that were prayed for either became more sick or died (the science on this is that if you were in hospital being prayed for then psychologically you may 'give up' on life as you MUST be sick). This test is easily found online. Prayers do not work, science does. In saying all this to help you, again my point was to make others aware that if I were on this program, the FIRST thing I'd say to my kids (after saying I love you) is that the 'god' part of this project is absurd, I love my kids more than a mythical god and so should everyone with any acquired common sense. Can you please help in getting this prison to see this and remove their god filth labeling? You could pray for that if you like :)
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  1121. +ForumLight It's concerning that you have put yourself in circles on this. This is FACT: Evolution. Now, you want me to prove evolution to you, is that correct? Since it even took me a few months to understand its about extinction and not death. And natural selection NOT random. To explain this in detail to you would take book of factual information all the way to confirmed DNA of humans to ape-like ancestors. Since you don't want to remain specific to humans (and really nor do I), you bring up fish and other species as though they have not evolved at the same time as humans? Or something similar. ALL life evolved on Earth, do you honestly feel that Earth formed then all of a sudden there were fish in the sea the same day???? What utter nonsense. You haven't stated this, but what is your 'personal' idea against the FACT of evolution? I'm ALL ears on that (until you state something nonsense like 'god did it' LOL). You asked did we start with 2 men etc (and for some reason you enjoy /Bold and /Italics at times, which makes your writing look even more silly) As I stated (regarding humans) NO there was never 1 Man and 1 Woman where all people came from! Since that idea is against evolution which is a FACT. Evolution is a confirmed understanding based on FACTS and as yet no one has come up with anything to dispute it. Actually the Professor of biology has stated you can never remove a fact only add more information on it. Evolution is FACT, by science. I tend to agree based on the evidence. But don't ask me for the volumes of evidence, please tell me about what YOU think, as I need a good laugh.
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  1122. +ForumLight I fully understand your circular argument point, I generally state it ti Christians about their own deluded beliefs, but this is because they have NO evidence. If you are trying to invoke me to say I place my trust in science or I 'believe' in science (not the way religos use the word 'believe' obviously). Then I will say that science does work, just look around, and so far not even religos have proved it wrong! You are right in assuming I won't provide the volumes of evidence for evolution, the reason is because what evolution states is not only reasonable and realistic, I am not a biologist who has spent countless years (even generations) to prove evolution based on facts. So is this trust in science like faith in a nonsense god? NO We trust in science because it works, and so far remains the only (that's right ONLY) factual confirmation of how life evolved on earth, plus it works fully. NOT 1 part has been shown to be wrong by anyone. Including your fish nonsense. I'm sure you have had debates with atheists who link this and quote that. I see it so much on atheist forums I have concluded that if you don't have 20 years of wealth of knowledge you therefore must default to being a believer! When I asked this that's basically what they said, hence LEAVE the atheist forums. Here's the BIG picture, an 8yo is allowed to be an atheist, due to the fact of LACK of evidence for a mythical god. From what I have seen (worldwide) the ONLY people against evolution are god believers and their 'evidence' and circular arguments are ludicrous, even a child would see this. Atheism and evolution are the only areas where we are OPEN fully to any other option if the evidence presents itself (or uncovered). So far NO evidence of a god, and evolution is a fact and that's that. IF you think (Lol) you have something against evolution, don't try to tell me, geez man write it into a science lab, are you aware that you can get the Noble prize in science even if you accidentally get it right? Your 'paper' against evolution would be thrown out as the rubbish it is, so here you are on Youtube trying to locate the non bioligists, to agree they don't know. I DO know, I know like any other would know, belief in a god is crap
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  1154. Scientists have proven fish temperature increases when they are dying, and therefore state that they likely feel a feeling such as pain, most likely pain. So the start of your video is incorrect. The next part states that there are questions we just don't know the answers to. Not Mom, Dad, a teacher or the police presently know. This could also be said about things people thought thousands of years (even hundreds or decades) ago. We now know many things that in the past we would thing is impossible to know. If you actually did go back in a time machine to our year zero (only 2015 years ago) I'm pretty sure the religious people would have killed you for blasphemy or being the devil. What you know now, is god like to what people didn't know in the past! The next parts about aliens (life on other planets) is said to be known possibly even in our own lifetime or the next generation. Finding cell life on another planet is not beyond rational reasoning, thanks to science again. Perhaps things like the multiverse, FAR too far away for us to reach ever, or so we presently think! Maybe we will find evidence of such a thing. So far scientists state that it's reasonable to think it could likely be true, due to the averages alone. This video is pessimistic although it states stay curious it implies we'll never know. Who knows if a child is viewing this now within their lifetime they may be able to prove the entirety of this video as old fashioned past ignorance. And now a write up on what religion has taught us>
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  1167. What the guy said about human survival and populating the world IF the population is low and morally we should in that case be only heterosexual is actually FALSE How biology works, is your sexual preference is decided upon through your genes or dna or genetic makeup. I can prove that to you here. So here we have a somewhat over populated world (or close to). And guys can 'morally' afford to be gay if they decide. Of all you straight guys out there, which ones of you would be interested in having pure sex to orgasm love making with another guy? Zero? Wow, what if I paid you a thousand dollars? Still zero? Geez is starting to not sound like choice any longer. Of you straight girls out there, that sometimes hug or even cheekily kiss your girl, friend. Would you want to orgasm with them? Do you want to have a hot steamy love making nigh with your friend who may even be classed as attractive? No? Zero? It seems to me it is NOT choice. Nor would it be a choice if there were a few people in a tiny population. IF you are GAY (not Bi) you would NOT re-populate the world by having sex with the opposite sex; because that's somehow morally accepted for the survival of the human race. Nope, you wouldn't do it. If you were lesbian through and through and only 3 other women and 1 man existed, you'd be doing your best to see if any of the 3 women were interested in you NOT the man. I'm concerned when the man on this show suggested that it is choice that due to present over population that gays now choose to be gay. THAT is ridiculous and ignorant. I even think he should apologize.
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  1169. +cara walker I think we are all missing the bigger picture here. carra does not 'believe' in evolution, so therefore she believes that a mythical god popped a man into existence (no natural birth or anything like that, oh and obviously the air must have spread apart too) and THEN carra (I think?) believes that a rib was pulled out of this man to make a woman! Since the man would be a bit lonely if he couldn't rape someone all day. The entire story is not: Oh carra evolution is true so here's the evidence. It's carra you believe in WHAT? I truly hope that carra is under 15, but since I have seen others (generally in the US) also state this ridiculous, mind cancerous, false belief, I'll take her (assuming her) for her word. YOU, think about it, ALL the people around her, her parents (MOST likely), her friends, her religious congregation, her priest! Are all lying to her consistently! And here we are trying to be strong on the 'science' that we all obviously know is true, even some (I think we may be up to 30% ) of other religious groups also accept evolution as true. Actually it is only the religious who are against evolution no one else. For the science promoters out there (including me) obviously I agree providing the cold hard truths is always the best option, we shouldn't just pussyfoot around this. But carra sincerely believes a man popped into thin air by her mythical god, and in THIS case, no amount of confirmed fact is going to sway her confused mind, especially whilst others around her back up her nonsense. Carra, I'll say yes you are brave to come on Youtube to state your belief, and then to reply to others shows an inner strength that you must have. I have argued for things (non science related) in the past too, and when I've found I was wrong on specific topics it does hurt for a moment, and apologies are given. But your nonsense idea of a god creating adam and eve, is not only fully against logic and reason, it is fully against natural Earth and everything a human understands in reality. Do you think your god could pop a few more people into existence today as well? Maybe he should create a million men and women to help present the word of god to non believers! carra, to explain evolution to you is immensely difficult. I'm not religious and even I took months to grasp its not about death or strongest survive or 'changes' that magically happen! Once I understood evolution it was more than eye opening, I literally felt part of this world and all life on it. I could not possibly assume you are anywhere near to understanding evolution, and telling you by authority is proved to not work with you (or anyone by the way). You are being lied to carra. SOME may believe in their lies and I suspect some (likely the priest) know they are lying to you. NO adam and then eve as second place (lol) was 'created' by your mythical god! How you get over this cancer of the mind is by speaking with others who understand it takes baby steps to let go of these old myths made by men (confirmed goat herders) in the Middle east some 2K years ago. Do you know that these men did not even know day and night was caused by the Earth turning! Plus this wonderful now fully accepted science, was not even in the bible! Actually EVERYTHING in the bible was written with only the knowledge of men at the time. And I do emphasize 'men', as women and girls were 2nd class to men. Sadly if you ask your priest even today, are women second to men, HE will say YES. This is NOT what science states. Carra, begin by questioning (don't defend or attack). You can ask me ANYTHING. If I don't know the answer then I'll tell you that too. But know this carra your present warped view of reality is NOT natural, it is a conditioning to cause you to be a servant or slave of mythical nonsense!
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  1176. Actually I find deists to be the best to chat to and inform why they are wrong. In my view deists are one step away from being an atheist (ie open minded). We can start with the false line you said at the bottom of your reply if you like? Ideally it would be best to ask why do you believe in the first place since there is no reason to? Since that's just getting to the point. Once I had a long debate with a deist and in the end he informed me about how believes in mythical sin. I told him that means he's a deluded Christian as that's where that originated from (only 2000 years ago in our 3 billion life on Earth history). Another 'agnostic' debate saying similar things to you ALSO turned out to be a theist lying again. Generally a lot of 'deists' and 'agnostics' (in the middle, which is impossible of course) are theists in disguise. This is one of the biggest concerns with theism, the fact they will outwardly lie to others with misconceptions and misunderstandings about their own misguided deluded beliefs. With all that aside, please tell me why you feel a deist done it :) And hopefully it's not god of the gaps you just stated, as Duh, i dunno wot made our planet, therefore mythical god. When the best answer to that would be, so could have it been aliens with a million times more intelligence than you? Yes? Therefore, that is more likely than a mythical 'god' who knows everything but made our universe, already knowing the end! What a waste of effort, you could say that would be useless and weak minded. Deism has strong similarities to theism, you just need a church and a lot of believers, hey you could even write a book of man made laws. Can you tell me what your god is thinking right now? Or anytime? Wait, why do you believe in a mythical god without a shred of evidence? Do you believe in a winged horse too?
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  1193. +Louis Duncan Yes and radical Christian (KKK and that ridiculous Christian family I can't think of right now in the US) are ALSO taught to people in the church. I agree, there is a distinction between radical extremists and your average church goer, BUT they are both equally as wrong about what they perceive as the truth (obviously) plus they both GO to church and read the same bible! (or mosque who read the same Qur'an). We need to inform these believers what we now know is true. Evolution is true - No dispute LGBT community is fully natural - No need to dispute Marriage is a civil union and has nothing to with religion - No dispute Our world is about 4.5 Billion years old, and the first bacteria multi cellular lifeforms came about 3.5 BILLION years ago - No dispute The universe is 13.82 Billion years old, and the chance of intelligent life is at minimum 100,000 planets! - Dispute is ONLY about more planets. All things are natural within our universe and the laws of physics remain the same on a planet 10 billion light years away - No dispute. There are MANY things that are fully against religion that we now know as TRUTH/fact/knowledge and fully understood. Religion deals with beliefs without knowledge (99% of them still don't even know what an atheist is!!) Religion is without evidence, by definition. I have called it a 'feeling' but is more than that, it is a cancer to the mind, that usually can be repaired, especially with younger people and sometimes with older. They (religos) are special, and need special attention to help them see reason. Fanatical/radical/Extremists and your average Muslim and churchy, are ALL still religious, when there is no need for a mythical god anymore. The unfounded fears and false 'love' (especially when the bible is the opposite of love, WHAT father would sacrifice his own son for others????? NOT me, MY children are safe) The bible belief (especially) can be removed by careful attention to their warped sense of reality.
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  1198. joskemom America is NOT founded on Christian principles! Do you even read anything at all? WHY do you remain ignorant in the face of evidence? THIS is why Christianity must be removed from our world because of that most idiotic ignorant deluded comment you just sprouted out. It is pure disgusting that you would even lie about your OWN country. YOU are without pride or honor. Thomas Jefferson: "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. ... But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding...." The Declaration of Independence The Articles of Confederation The Federalist Papers and the Constitution ALL disprove that ridiculous religious bias. ALL four documents unambiguously prove our secular origins. I'm not even of your damn country where Christians want to be like ISIS and take over in their underhanded and deceiving ways, EVEN young Christians on this site of Youtube comments are willing to outright LIE (as you do) in the selfish pursuit of your gullibility and delusions. The absolute FILTH of your mythical God who decides to torture and kill his own son, yet instead of you standing up and saying NO, you state this is his love. Your deluded disgusting horrible religion of death is only promoted more by your words of the bible where women and children are inferior to men, being confirmed by priests even today. Why in the world ANY female would want to be Christian is only attuned to mental instability and foolish inferiority complex, thankfully the Christian men are not burning women ALIVE at the stake anymore as stated as witches!!! But YOU (Christianity) is not unlike ISIS or any other horrors of religion worldwide. THIS is why I HATE religion, and hope the people (even you) leave its clutches of disgust and inhumanity and disgrace. NEXT, you actually stated something that is WORSE than not knowing your own history of America, and that's your IGNORANCE of evolution. Did you think I would try to present you with the overwhelming evidence that evolution is true? You don't learn, I blame your Christianity 100%. Christianity makes you dumbfounded, it makes you LIE, and it makes you into this perverted inhuman loony tune, that your idea of mythical 'creation' with NO substance AT ALL (zero), but you are willing to state that these anonymous men from the Middle East 2000 years ago, decided to write a book of HORRORS. YOU are the type of person I would avoid. I would advise my daughter to STAY AWAY from your sexism and psychological disordered brain (as confirmed by science - look it up) directly regarding your nonsense beliefs. EVOLUTION IS TRUE. But, don't take my word for it as an authority, actually don't take ANY person's authority on the matter including your mythical god, YOu LEARN for yourself. The FEAR of being inside your ridiculous religious nonsense must be so great that you outwardly LIE against your own country and even life on our planet! Christianity is the religion of death, and YOU need to seek help immediately. YOU (with Christianity) are WRONG on ALL accounts. THAT is how pathetic your cancer of the mind Christianity is. YOU ARE A DAMN FOOL
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  1210. +Justwantahover Well as I'd guess you are probably aware of Drake Equation, it equates to around 1 million intelligent life species in our galaxy alone (let alone the billion other too far away galaxies). Which would make a trillion. I feel its unlikely we are alone as even intelligent species. Regarding human evolution from now on. Since we are finally able to think and observe the universe (plus even send out intergalactic spacecraft) It is possible we may be at the end of our species (we can go no further) although this could have easily been said about great apes etc. Plus we are at the best time to study the cosmos. In another billion years and possible new species, all solar systems and galaxies will be too far spread out: A galaxy 200 Mly from us would typically be moving away from us with a velocity of 6000 km/second!!! So THIS is the time to make any contact with our species OR the trillion of other intelligent species across the entire universe. I hope my answer wasn't too technical towards your initial question. But helps improve our known knowledge of intelligent species within our local galaxy. How will intelligent humans do this? Only science can help through discovery. Not too long ago humans thought they couldn't design flying machines (not looking it up, but lets say an insignificant century) So warp speeds near to the speed of light with embryos on! may not be out of the question in another hundred years. It doesn't help us specifically, except as the humans trying to evolve technically as well :)
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  1226. A'fandoms You stated TOO many inconsistencies. By the way being atheist I do NOT need to be shown differences in the Qur'an and the Bible, just stick to the ridiculous Qur'an. Also do NOT bring up Charles Darwin, in some lame attempt to show me evolution is wrong. Evolution understanding has NO ties with Charles Darwin (except of course as the original 'scientist' in that area). Do not tell me anything to do with creation > I do not 'believe' in creation on anything. There is ZERO evidence in any Muslim creation on anything. Do not state you respect evolution and science, and then state you feel Adam and Eve were created in heaven! Evolution (a FACT by the way) does NOT include Adam and Eve OR creation. Do not state that I should read NEW (a few hundred years old) updates or reinterpretations of the Qur'an! I only look at the Qur'an itself as nonsense, and so do ALL others (except of course Muslims read the OLD Qur'an as truth, falsely of course, since YOU stated they need to update with further NEW reading!!!). There is NO evidence of ridiculous creation! Evolution does NOT include creation. And humans evolved from 'ape like' ancestors that are now extinct. NOT monkeys! Not creation! Why you are not brave enough to stick to the Qur'an proves to me, YOU yourself don't believe in it. Is the Qur'an and further reading? Or is it the Qur'an? IF you believe in the Qur'an then it is confirmed nonsense (lets keep to the FACT of evolution) therefore STOP believing in that silly outdated nonsense book. As for the bible (why YOU mentioned this is incredible, obviously too many Christians around you) the Bible is absolute rubbish, immoral outdated bullshit. So if you want to keep mentioning shit go right ahead, I'll just sit back and laugh at your nonsense. By the way, DON'T do those ridiculous long posts again, I HATE that, and most others don't read it.
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  1242. paramecium protist IP above is correct, but it didn't answer your question. I agree THIS youtube video is NOT the overall binding DNA and history and everything to do with 'here's the evidence'. It is more of a simple way, I supect made for others who already agree and understand evolution to fine point some areas. Yes fascinating for us. But for creationists or 'science' it probably needs to run for 6hrs and link a thousand papers and online confirmed facts and you name it. I do not expect others who do not yet understand evolution to NOW fully understand it and are NOW all ok. I personally started with the tree of life (huge interactive website somewhere I could probably find), and then I looked specifically at humans and DNA resemblance to our cousins, THEN other animals, birds, plants, insecs, and there's a lot of hype in the last few years on cancer cells and germs etc. Actually I'm one of these STRONG minded atheists, but to fully understand evolution is NOT about death and natural automatic process took me probably a few months! We don't usually tell creationists this, we usually just give them simple examples and words, but the truth of the matter is science is hard :) But don't tell others, because it'll scare them away. I AGREE this video itself, is NOT ALL the answers and everything you 'should' know already about evolution. I accept it, because I already agree with evolution as FACT. Is that what the issue was? Because NO biologist references THIS video here as evidence, in case you though that :) Nor will I reference it when speaking to other creationists, it is TOO simple and NOT evidence exactly.
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  1247. +paramecium protist Hi, I'll give 'MY' personal made up idea of what could have been before the Big Bang, because quite obviously science (cosmologists and theorists and mathematicians) are still working on this today. Yes I agree there was something natural before the Big Bang (assuming time did not stand still btw). Since this proposes the question, what was before that? I have an answer (personal made up) as well. I state that if you told an ant the food is to the right not left, and gave the ant all the possible information to turn right, this still does not allow the ant to understand you. I feel the same process is happening with humans and our limitations on our physical intelligence. You may need the brain power of the size of a planet to answer it is 42 ;) Although I say 27 :) Consciousness and being aware of ourselves. I have never quite understood the science/religion argument of this. I notice both sides state very good reasons that entail choice, and compassion for others, and looking at the big picture. It is my view that this intelligence within our brain (inside our head), is just common intelligence. IF a more intelligent being could devise a way to fly without wings (etc), would that mean they are supernatural or just more smarter than us? I certainly agree with the laws of the universe, but I don't assume we are already so intelligent that some of our limitations are NOT intellectual, just as human intelligence level is different to dumber animals. Maybe there's a 6th sense that a more intelligent being could easily make use of. eg: Oh, according to the entire world its climate and all the actions of every physical property, I will win the lottery this week :) This is not unreasonable of a higher intelligence, that I'm sure would point out our consciousness is just related to the size of our brain. Not that exciting at all. Regarding, not knowing. I feel this is incorrect. Although every possibility is possible this does not mean that everything possible can happen. I find the multiverse idea (good) but not acceptable that we have these clone lives that are making 1 choice different to us, therefore making an infinite amount of possibilities. In my view this is nonsense. Just as a god belief (especially a religious god) is also nonsense and not acceptable, but you haven't asked me about this so I'll stop here :)
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  1274.  Andrê Visser  "I know I probably waste my time with you" You are not wasting your time by questioning what I'm stating. As that's how we learn and better ourselves, through questioning and receiving confirmed factual information that we can rely upon as actual evidence. "the fact that the real you exist in the spirit realm with the body just an interface to function in this realm." Well this is fully against your Jesus's sacrifice! He decided his body was NOT a vessel and subsequently flew up and away with it (as I'm sure you're aware of). I wonder why your Jesus felt HIS body was so important to keep, but all other people should merely think of it as a vessel? It sounds as though he was being a hypocrite if you ask me. "You don't understand true Christianity (I know there are many pretenders)" I'm fully aware that pretenders exist. Pretenders who are Priests or holy people and that they are only deceiving others. This is obvious as we see these people in the news all the time, literally doing the Jesus sins they argue against! BUT, I certainly understand Christianity, well over a decade as an online active atheist. If I haven't heard something about Christianity I'D be in shock :) "Jesus was not a sacrifice," ? He wasn't? That's wonderful news, have you informed every single church about this? Because I constantly hear he did sacrifice himself when obviously as you know, he didn't. "he sacrificed himself to redeem those who believe on him from satan, big difference." ? And now he IS a sacrifice again. Seriously I can actually see where your mind twists. The Satan claim is merely a Bible claim (as is this mythical God). You need to show sufficient evidence for this, not just claim it to be true. Otherwise I could claim that all Christians go to Islam's hell. "It has to do with Adam's choice to listen and be deceived by satan" Adam did NOT know right from wrong; good from bad. Would YOU allow 2 innocent and ignorant children to play in the garden with a loaded gun right in the center of the garden? THAT would be bad parenting, not bad kids! I mean it really shows this God was a 1st time parent, definitely he made some big mistakes. "The fact that Jesus (his flesh body) died without sin, redeem those who believe on him from satan." I didn't understand this, some poetic nonsense. We are talking about Jesus sins right?
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  1303. We don't have any evidence of a God giving any gifts of human traits. Whilst I have always found it odd that men are Christians, I did approach my daughter on this (she's a psychologist). She said that if men benefit from a clearly unreasonable unsubstantiated belief in a God, then it would be that much more difficult to help them understand their belief are ridiculous. But then the crucial question came. I said, but why would women be Christians then? As clearly the Bible and Christianity itself has a low regard for women? Whilst I understand that both men and women can be Christian likely through indoctrination from youth (there are other common factors such as an unreasonable fear of Christian claimed hell, plus ignorance and many known others, such as misguided love etc etc too many to mention). My daughter said: A Christian woman or girl would have a far greater chance of being supported and guided away from such an outdated belief that comes with zero evidence and clearly zero worthy reason to believe. But it clearly shows a person who has a victim mindset or inferiority complex of serving man etc. My daughter suspects for a female to be Christian is a way of them saying they are unworthy or less valued than others. I did mention that the Bible itself instructs Christians they are unworthy and broken, but demanded to get better. A very twisted mindset that would take many years to accept such horror. I'd highly suspect your daughters still have a strong chance to be supported and guided to let go of this awkward belief that intends to belittle them for the rest of their life (although clearly these days most people recover from religion, usually in their 20's which means they had this ridiculous belief as children/teens, which is just horrible). You however will likely defend your belief to feel unworthy, way more so than children would. As these days we clearly encourage children to be more wary and skeptical of such outdated beliefs, even if the parents are the perpetrator. Its upsetting Emily that you believe your daughters were given the gift of discernment from a God! Its obvious we now know through modern psychology children have lots of abilities and value. Maybe they'll be judges one day? That would be good as there are a lot of horrible men out there abusing women (women are still in the discriminatory area, especially in religious areas). However the best thing you yourself could teach them (especially under the circumstances of your nonsense beliefs) would be skeptism, to not believe in others (generally men in religion) unsubstantiated claims. This is what I'd teach them and what I taught my own daughter when she was young. Hey may be they could be psychologists too one day? But the 1st step is to inform them is: scary monsters aren't true, its merely people with unhinged irrational beliefs.
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  1493. Diamonds (natural diamonds) are not rare. Gold (which is everywhere, and clearly takes up most of the volume of engagement rings) is rarer than diamonds! The only, so called, rare part of diamonds, is that you need to dig much deeper to find them, wheras say gold can sometimes be a foot down if you're lucky enough to find a nugget). Diamonds are not rare! There's even an entire planet that is said to be completely diamond. What makes a natural diamond different to a synthetic diamond? Truly in looks, you could say zero. Jewelers will be the 1st to admit that you cannot tell the difference between the 2. No big manifying glass, or shining lights into them will ever confirm their difference (except as mentioned sophisticated expensive machinery not found at local jewelery stores! ). The difference is: A natural diamond takes about 1 BILLION years to make! And most diamonds are about 3 BILLION years old! It is impossible for a human's brain to fathom a billion of anything, even a million! The human brain evolved to not count but to compare numbers of things. An easy example representing the limitation of the human brain is the following: The difference between 2 and 5 is much easier to visualize than the difference between 62 and 65, despite the fact that both number sets differ by only 3 As such a 3 billion year old diamond (close to the earliest life ever found of 3.5 billion years, being microbes!! )is extremely massively incredibly uninmaginably old. A synthetic diamond could have been made yesterday! The end.
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  1496.  @LUIGI-gx8bf  Yes he was also pointed out in the crowd, as he wasn't willing to come in on his own. Note: This is all from the Bible story. At the time 2000 years ago in the Middle East (that's where he was born and grew up), was an era of high superstition and high ignorance. This claimed Jesus formed a mob of 12 and claimed he was the messiah! Many at the time also did this (not difficult in that era). And the punishment for his crimes was crucifixion, alongside other thieves and murderers. History informs us that the criminals who were crucified (a barbaric method of punishment that no intelligent or wise society would ever do). Were buried in a mass unmarked grave. The idea was that they were shunned from society even after death, making them disappear from society, body and all. Thus not allowing any shrine or tomb stone to visit by family and friends. The story goes on, that the 12 followers (his gang members) quickly dispersed and were never heard of again. Although the story was written around 3 to 4 decades after his death (and generally after all people at the time had died from old age - which was young for our standards) its was not uncommon for such claimed messiahs to be about. Incidentally the last crucifixion of a criminal happened 2 years ago in Saudi Arabia (basically the same place still). This method of sentencing seemed to be centered only around that region. I'm into Biblical history, but that's not my main area at all. My main area now is helping people Recover From Religion. And I was doing that a moment ago when you replied. I have 3 new threads opened and must answer them quickly as very busy today.
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  1518.  @FatimaBadshah-fo1vh  Freedom means doing what anyone else can do in your society. Any job, any clothing, any public place etc etc. It is obviously clear that religion (not merely Islam but Christianity and all others) are manmade! I understand that your religious beliefs supposedly gives you strength. But religion provides the fault then pretends to fix it via religion. Thankfully all civilized nations aren't governed by religion any longer. We worked out you require evidence of things existing to then believe in them. Clearly no religion has this. It is overly clear that the Qur'an and the Bible and many other claimed Holy scriptures, put down women. Christianity calls them unworthy (imagine a Father calling his children unworthy, its disgusting). And Islam instructs that women are so weak they need protection (from Muslim men it seems LOL). I feel you will be forever locked into anti-equality until you begin questioning yourself: Wait why aren't I Christian/Hindu/Jewish etc etc (x 60,000) religions? Why are you Muslim believer? There's no reason or evidence for such outdated man made belief. And YES being able to remove your hair covering at ANY time you like (for instance forever) is normal in civilized countries, its completely your choice, personally I say they look awful. Both men and women look upon each other, and as long as they don't touch you, all is good. You can look onto men all day long until you are sick of it, same with men. How else would romantic relationships begin? Your Qur'an doesn't make sense. There is NO evidence the Prophet (or any claimed Prophet) spoke to a man God, since its ridiculous. Lots of evidence of people reciting and other men writing books though, actually we have trillions of written books, but zero evidence of a God/Allah/Lord/ or a flying donkey!
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  1584. This may be a good opportunity to inform everyone that parents tend to save their children regularly without reward. When it comes to siblings or any family member protecting another family member (even abused Moms) then this happens more than it should. When we instinctively and bravely protect family members by putting ourselves in critical situations, this is normal behaviour. Even many pet dogs will do this, they will hurt themselves to protect you. Sacrificing our own lives for our children is common. Parents (at least normal loving parents) will run out into busy roads to save their child, or swim or climb or jump or do anything to protect their children, which also includes death. Saving your child and dying in the process, is clearly without reward (other than hopefully knowing the child was saved). Thus this is why the Christian Jesus 'sacrifice' is not a sacrifice 1. According to scripture, this Jesus monster placed Jesus sins onto everyone. 2. He is then forced to have capital punishment. 3. Supposedly then coming back to life as a God in heaven! That's NOT a sacrifice. Any criminal on death row would do that, I'd do that, anyone would. As the prize is worth it. Why do I bring up such an irrelevant to subject point? Because a majority of America is still backward minded Christian, and the 'sacrifice' (reward) seems to be the strongest part of their irrational belief. We do not praise abusers. We do not love monsters (in our mind or otherwise) who threated to strike us down or allow us to burn. We do not stay in abusive relationships with the abuser, no matter who it is. Whilst there is no known evidence of any claimed God, let alone the abusive monster Jesus, this topic is specifically about how you should not praise the abuser. Instead praise loving family members who sacrifice their life for others, without reward.
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  1594.  @wildcatfan6477  This part: its based on a 1950 (and earlier) view that you should love the abuser who demands fear him or else he'll strike you down, or worse, burn you Back before 1950 and before that, we use to mistakenly instruct people to stay within their relationship, even if the man (commonly) was abusive. The reasoning for this was because: 1. So called spinsters were looked upon as used stock. 2. Single parents was mostly unsupported. 3. Marriage breakdown was seen as worse than staying with an abusive man. 4. Backward outdated knowledge. Due to the difficult era, many abused women were instructed to stay with their abusive man. The women were informed: Try loving (the abuser) more! Clearly enabling such bad behaviour. Through better support networks, for both women and men, we were finally able to leave this clearly wrong view, behind us. My point about staying in a defined abusive relationship with an abuser who: demands fear him (and love him) or else he'll strike you down, or worse, burn you We now know such abusive relationships (itself) should be avoided at all costs. Even to the point of kicking out abusive Fathers (or men etc) from the loving family home. Back in 1950 (and before that) this option and even understanding was unknown. Lets say you went back in a time machine to 1950, and all one of your work colleagues said: The bitch didn't want to put out last night, but with a bit of physical persuasion she came around. And then you saw his wife with bruises on her, asked if she was ok? And she said: I need to love him more, its my fault as I'm so underserving. Is that a good relationship? Would you be congratulating the man, and telling the woman to remain in the abusive relationship? Or the complete opposite? Through the modern decades we discovered what an abusive relationship looks like. Such things as: Fear me, or I'll strike you down! Or love me or I'll allow you to burn! We now know is an abusive relationship, which tends to have bruises or scars left on the person's mind (both mind and physical abuse having similar level of now known abuse inside a relationship). Sorry for long post, I just wanted to be extremely clear why the Jesus relationship (albeit in your mind or not) is clearly a defined abusive relationship. Is that clear? I did elaborate a lot.
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  1598.  @briancorvello3620  I don't like the soldier analogy either (too many strongly devoted patriots) I prefer not to elaborate on that specific example moreso than what I said. Regarding Christains! Christains are instructed: You were born faulty/bad/sinful/underserving, you name the put down. THEN the church provide their remedy > You are commanded to serve God. They provide the fault, then they provide their so called fix. This twisted nonsense clearly effects the human brain. Its kinda like stockholm syndrome, or battered wife syndrome > love the abuser! Religion is not just believe in their specific God. It comes with a whole lot of commandments and dos and don'ts. The main one being God is good because he said so (well the men written Bible says so). So all those contradictions and monstrous horror stuff in the Bible? > ALL good, because God says so! Humans especially children when you incite fear into them (fear God mentioned on every few pages of the Bible and kids Bible). Is a strong influence to poorly effect growing minds (gullible minds). Gullibility itself is not a bad thing, nor are babies being born faulty! But if people with bad intentions (usually through irrational beliefs) feed young minds with nonsense, then over time it does effect them adversely. The Christain mind is a twisted wreck. They will openly publicly shamefully embarass themselves in public. Its extremely disturbing. To help them we don't tell them they are stupid, we say their idiotic beliefs are (and using a number of methods to get them to question their outdated beliefs).
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  1616. She owned many smaller financial institutions. She then amalgamated them into 1 single bank According to Vietnam law you can only own 5% of a bank. But since she intentionally devised a plan to amalgamate everything into 1 bank, she had something like 90% single owner/profiter of the single bank. Somewhat of a loophole, since she originally only owned smaller financial institutions, so it seemed as though she didn't own the single bank, of which dealt with 10% of the entire Vietnam money. She then loaned huge amounts basically to herself from her own bank which she had 90% control of. She then bought real estate absolutely everywhere under her own bank agreement, which was not only 0% interest, but she also used that profit of real estate and bank money to increase the bank's value (ie her bank profit). Effectively the profit to the bank was even higher than the real estate (especially since the bank had 10% of the entire of Vietnam). That her new real estate (under her bank profiting loan) basically paid for itself. Definitely a case of the rich getting mega richer every day. The death penalty is a government way to get her to spill the beans on all her transactions, bribes to government officials and also her real estate - which is normally hard to track as its everywhere being rented by everyone who don't disclose financial records ever. As such > she won't be sentenced to death, and she knows this. Rather she'll disclose a huge % of her dealings that the government can then recover for themselves!
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  1760.  @neocrusader736  Media bias now is it? Media bias! Its not the Catholic church's fault at all, its media bias! Statistics can be made to prove even opposite viewpoints. But facts cannot change. The FACT is that religious leaders have zero basis for their claims of supernatural species (Gods; demons; angels, ghosts etc etc). To instruct a child that these things are true is misleading and deceitful. It is lies. By manipulating young children with such unsubstantiated claims, then they are setting the children up to fall. Did you think that Priests had not looked up a good reason for their beliefs or some evidence of their claims? Of course they have and obviously found nothing. As no known evidence or good reason exists for their out of date unreasonable and extraordinary claims. Is that child abuse? To instruct a child with religious nonsense. What if they began their instruction above age of 16? Pretty sure we wouldn't see anyone in the church (except the fanatics). This child abuse from a young age, to then form into child sexual abuse (as with Pell). Is not a great leap. Already the Christian parents have been indoctrinated to allow their child with the 'men of the cloth' in a private setting. The conditions of grooming a child are in place and welcomed by the church (and other religions) . For you to DISMISS this clear and accurate known concern of any church or their leader men! Is not only destructive but it verges on abuse on its own. Open your eyes to reality, they are misleading you. And its blatantly obvious.
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  1764.  @neocrusader736  Thanks for your questions about atheists, or rather a secular system. Preferably I'd prefer you only do 1 post with everything inclusive. Don't worry I'll read it. However I see you raised different issues on each post. Regarding the 'potato famine' can you cite the verse? I'm seriously not aware of that 'miracle' at all. Similarly the Northern Lights, I just need the cited verse that specifically speaks of these two. The liquid blood thing is just nonsense and the fact the Catholic church don't allow scientific inquiry on these claimed miracles, then I don't want to discuss that specific one, it sounds childish and ridiculous. But the potato is definitely new to me. And Northern lights I honestly can't relate which verse you get that from? Oh 2nd post about someone (a religious person) claimed to have not drank water for more than 3 days, actually you say 14 days! Certainly in desperate times you can drink your own urine but this may give you say 4 days NOT 14. I'm just going to disregard this claim. As it has no scientific basis that THAT actually happened. Its basically inhuman and therefore likely (well definitely) a made up story. Like saying I caught a fish THIS big, Exaggeration in story telling is not uncommon. The claim does not need to be discussed further, as it sounds like nonsense. OH you wrote about goodwill, and suggested we are living so bad now LOL We are living in the best age ever. The best education/medical/technology/communication/entertainment/ you name it. Constantly Christians have this negative viewpoint about our modern present era. It is the best time ever. Secularity didn't bring war! It has to do with not having a religious viewpoint. Actually even Christians prefer a secular nation otherwise devil worshipers would be bombarding kids with their nonsense. To avoid ALL the religions bombarding everyone, a secular nation was born. Plus the Catholic church also (publicly) go along with it. Although I have noticed that they really don't! You didn't really discuss goodwill at all. You must have had a brain fart. We use goodwill or best intentions towards others as our moral system now. Not I do what my God tells me to do! As that just gets babies drowned in the bath! Oh this reply was insinuating 'atheists' have some agenda or belief system! You need to stay on track, We were speaking of a secular society. Now it just so happens that atheists generally DO support a secular society (that we are in). But this parenting stuff is NOT an atheist agenda at all. Atheists merely don't believe in any claimed Gods (full stop). Infanticide! You mean BEFORE the baby in born of course, ie a FETUS. We worked out (we the secular society) that women should not be forced to remain with an unwanted pregnancy. We worked out that women have rights over their own body. I'm aware this is fully against the MAN religion of Cathoclism. Hence why we threw that out. Poland and etc countries becoming more religious! Um religion is declining in percentage across the entire world. Since the invention of the Internet access at home, people began learning what religions actually entailed. And such claimed Jesus demands as: Love me or else burn! We worked out that this is actually a monstrous demand. And anyone acting on that (including a claimed God) should be struck down and locked up immediately. Anti-Catholic? Oh facts? We realized that to believe in a claimed God without a shred of sufficient evidence or even a good reason is exactly defined as gullibility. Atheist abuse? Wow with so many people who were killed by religion, let alone your claims of entire world genocide that happened or you look forward to it happening! Um religion remains as the most abusive group ever. What atheist abuse? Try to say 'secular'. Atheist merely don't believe in any claimed God(s). Secularism brought women's rights, a fairer system for all (including religions). It doesn't bring abuse! Regarding people not acting on their particular desires, even that is understood ok. Its all about the actions of others. There's no agency reading minds or watching you, as that would be creepy.
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  1766.  @neocrusader736  I'll be brief. Post1 re: Pell 100M High court. And why/how Priests are more likely to commit child abuse (already discussed). No one goes to the High court on a child sexual criminal matter. The High court is about the country's law proceedings and how things are decided. Its not a criminal court venue. The High court costs massive amount of money. Massive legal submissions, massive everything. Imagine if a rapist said I'll take this to the High court, people would laugh at the notion. Pell was found GUILTY of the crime of child abuse, child sexual abuse. His High court matter was merely about judges decisions and the process of the criminal law courts. That process was found to be not in line with the High court. Thus Pell was released. Is he actually guilty of the crime? Well obviously. Oh and snippet in (as I read all posts) I agree my writing skills are poor, not exactly incoherent. But I tend to think whilst writing at the same time. True if I did a draft then went over it then submitted it, the post would be a lot more clear. You'd think after decades of my replying I would have had a tidier way of replying, yep sorry about that. Its basically read, reply immediately with me. OH and DarkMatter2525 was a really good message this time. We don't require religions slowing us down any longer. I liked the vid. Harvest/famine. The paragraphs sound very general to me. I'm sure there are going to be many more harvests and famines with population doubling all the time. This miracle or prophesy is moot. Back to that blood thing again! What is it with Christians and blood sacrifice! Its horrific. Death and blood are not wonderful things. Life is worth celebrating, not blood and death! HISTORICAL fact on that 14 day starvation (or water) was it? LOL Hey did you know that historically Batman lived in Gotham city? I don't disregard because I can't explain it! I remain skeptical to things that sound like nonsense. IF science (itself) has not explained something, then that doesn't mean its unexplainable! Look your lines here are just pissing me off, I''l move on to next post. But "I don't know" is a truthful honest answer. Saying: I don't know therefore God, is NOT truthful. Yes gender identities is also part of the new knowledge we gained through a secular system. No way would we ever get to that under a religious law. I mean natural gays would be seen as faulty still under silly religion. Oh the abortion debate once again! Religion LOST, women (and men) won. We now fully agree that women are in charge and have full rights to their body. Do you know a year ago I had to inform some Catholic thread about the biology and neurology of how the fetus does not feel pain. Yep they even posted that fetus vid about the body movements of a fetus. Really the abortion debate with Catholic/Christians probably lost a lot of their members, as it was EASY to inform them that women matter. YES religion is declining in world percentage. PLUS and this is very important for you. Cathoclism is the FASTEST declining religion in the entire world (agree it was due to all the child abuse by Priests, would have preferred they merely used reason on its own). You know this stuff I can tell. And that makes you deceitful.
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  1767. ​ @neocrusader736  Its strange how theists generally do multiple posts in a row. Its as if they are intentionally trying to upset the flow of a thread, with the dismal hope the reasonable atheist will give up! Have previous atheists given up on responding to you? That's not good. The fact is there is only 1 truth not multiple opposing truths, so either you are wrong and I'm right, or some other condition. Isn't it about seeking the truth in the most honest way? Its not the debate, its the knowledge and reasonable arguments, that always prevail over unreasonable and zero evidence based claims of supernatural Gods! Your huge group of stubborn ignorance of: Abortions are bad. (YOU mean women are bad!) The court made Pell innocent (LOL) Gays are not natural. (They are even mentioned in the Torah, actually there are mentions in history even before that. Natural gays have been around since human attractions have been around ie Natural). Gender identities are a pedo idea!!! (it is irrelevant what OTHER facets a person has by the way. I mean a Catholic worked out the Big Bang (or whatever he called it). I don't praise the 'Catholic' side, I respect the reasoning and knowledge. That should be obvious by the way. And more! All seemed to be centralized around your claimed invisible authority figure belief. A simple question to you would be: If your claimed God whispered in your ear (In English strangely) to kill your son. Would that be good? Is it good because your God says so? To tell you the truth I just can't believe you have all those old fashioned beliefs. More like a Uni student doing some perverted Devil's advocate to help enhance secularism in some twisted way. But your words have the potential to hurt others. And this on its own makes it wrong. I mean lucky you're a Catholic because you accept evolution, and therefore you KNOW Genesis was nonsense. That's the same book where your God also says gays are an abomination (among other horrific things such as owning a slave beating them and passing them down to your children as property! So how do you know the 10 commandments are correct? How do you distinguish between what's true and what's BS? Just a personal viewpoint and belief? That's not facts!
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  1773.  @neocrusader736  Um thanks for your momentarily sprout of abuse to me. Do you know that atheists don't hate silly theists, we don't hate their abusive actions and programming of gullible children's minds. We don't hate the people at all. We are against their ridiculous zero evidence beliefs. We understand their beliefs make no sense, they are nonsense. We see how backward ridiculous beliefs in monster claimed Gods (such as that horror immoral charachter who demands love m ed or e else burn! The only good relationship with such a claimed monster would be to strike it down or run a wooden stake through it's immoral heart). We see these pathetic beliefs are the cause of their abusive actions especially towards children. But you can't distinguish between detesting horrible beliefs in monster claimed Gods to the person themselves, can't you? Put it this way. I'm sure the children of the Christain KKK religion (all Christains but this example has been made easier for you) these indoctrinated children are likely loving happy wonderful children. But their beliefs? ABSURD. And thus all unsubstantiated claims especially towards monster claimed God's is not only pathetic (of adults) but should rightly be stated clearly to such people as you. I hope you don't respect the Jesus filth religion? Why would you, why would anyone. As the writings in the Bible state: Jesus said bring the unbelievers to me and slay them in front of me! If I heard such a monster demanding that (or the love me or burn main logo) then I'd kick the claimed Jesus in the guts until he yelped. We all would.
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  1785. As a person with a (highly suspected) irrational fear of flying, I want to inform you of my issue which I doubt you'd cover. The fact of the matter is when I drive a car I'm extremely confident. I do not believe that it is less safe than being in a plane (as I often hear). Whilst car accidents are common (refer dashcam vids) I feel a highly experienced and high knowledge of reasoning ability, can nearly avoid 100% of any potential accident. The only possible car crash being where a car drops on you from the sky (say from a bridge) or where its just so uncommon literally the wrong place at the wrong time. In my view only other highly knowledgeable car drivers would understand my point of advanced driving at all times on the road. So lets look at those statistics from my point of view: Car accident? Much less than a percent, I'd say 0.0001% really they are much more safer than this ie I'm being modest (ironically). Plane accident for me as a passenger? I'd say (through that irrational fear) about 10% if not higher. What is my key point on safety here? I feel the No.1 issue is I'm not flying the plane, and this is the fault. Similarly if I get in a car with others driving (even a train on dedicated tracks) that I have little confidence in the driver. I don't trust they know as much as me (if anyone has been in an Uber or taxi, this is usually an obvious observation. So how could I reduce that fear? By either being the pilot, or by knowing the pilot's skills, their reasoning level; their attitude! And well nearly everything I could know about their pilot experience, qualification, understanding, reasoning so forth. One of the absolute main put offs I notice with some pilots I have briefly seen as they transit (hurriedly walk) within airports, is some have a religious symbol of some sort generally on their lapel, or jewellery etc. This is a HUGE put off to me, as it is clear they lack reasoning on the most important thing they believe in (since its now more than obvious there isn't any known worthy reason to believe in a God, let alone evidence for supernatural's etc). It is blatantly obvious that such a pilot would give up! If the plane suffered a major issue, where they'd resort to last option of ridiculously praying! This bothers me to no end. Clearly I (anyone) cannot rely upon such pilot's to keep trying even when everything seems to be lost. I'm not alone in my reasoning and skeptism of pilots and their skills. Planes are just about trusted physics and science, pilots are my concern.
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  1815.  @whyett78  That doesn't make sense levi! You AGREE your claimed God created everything. Therefore you agree that he made people colorblind. This is a bad thing. Would YOU choose to have your daughter colorblind? No? Then why would you praise a claimed agency you believed did? That's simpleton clear right? Next you said that we see colors differently anyway, and you stated its this non evidenced based spirit actually seeing! Lol No. We can test what species such as humans can see through just simple colorblind pictures. Nearly all people are not colorblind. Some however are. This colorblindness is not on par with everyone else. These glasses that ONLY science created from the scientific method, (I agree didn't cure) definitely allowed these colorblind people to see nearly exactly what ALL other people see. Your irrational non evidenced based belief (and that was a new one, which is VERY shocking actually) that people see through a claimed spirit is nonsense. We see with our eyes, we walk with our legs, we think and have all emotions in our brain. These things are basic knowledge of biology. Praying does NOT fix colorblindness! Are you suggesting that ALL colorblind people have never wished they could just see colors? Praying has the same result as ill-informed guesses. They are not even informed guesses, they are useless. Your disrespect to science here is horrid. But to claim that a hiding God made her see is ridiculous. I can help you Recover From Religion levi. Its just a matter of you being brave enough to ask questions again. I've converse with Christians (mainly) every day for about 2 decades now. So far they have never provided sufficient evidence of their claimed supernatural God, nor even a good reason to believe. What's your reason to believe?
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  1816.  @someguy9571  Lol true. Generally atheists try to help theists to separate their beliefs from them. The atheist will show the theist their beliefs are unwarranted, especially after hearing the theists reasons to believe! What else could it be? (fallacy) Just look at the trees (fallacy) I feel him in my bones/heart/asshole (fallacy fallacy fallacy). When looking at the theist's reasons to believe, its ALWAYS poor reasons. If there were just ONE good reason (let alone evidence) to believe in any of these claimed Gods, then clearly even I would, we all would. But so far not one good reason. However, this is all based on separate their silly beliefs from them. And we can even show that beliefs aren't the person through head trauma patients who change their beliefs as their physical brain changes. Has their claimed soul gone quiet? Have they received 2 souls? OR was it merely all in their head! If we don't separate their beliefs from them, and go along with their nonsense of beliefs=them. Then we are at that personal beliefs stage. Similarly someone may personally choose clothing or jewelry or a partner. Are these things 'wrong' of them? I'd say no. So personal beliefs in say a claimed God should also be given an ok on them believing. Unless we can show them their beliefs are fallacious of course. Similarly if we explained a certain personally chosen clothing is not good for the conditions. Off the top of my head, someone chooses a bikini to live with the Eskimos, you could say their choice is wrong. So personal choices do have consequences. BUT if they are personal beliefs without any fallacy (hence others who never reply to hold onto their willful ignorance) then there beliefs would be personally justified! Sadly it just so happens when looking at how do we find truth, or how do be on the path towards truth; in ALL cases personal beliefs comes up as the worst option. Similarly emotions aren't a good way to be confidently on the path towards truth (I love this bridge so lets not put fasteners on it as love on its own should hold it up. Um no). NOR are dreams a good way to know you're on the path towards truth. If anything all these things (beliefs/emotions/dreams) are consistently shown as a BAD way of being on the path towards truth. In the end fallacious beliefs should be dropped as soon as possible, if they have any sense. Personal beliefs are only 'wrong' once we show their beliefs are irrational (and not before). And willful ignorance and cognitive dissonance (let alone all the known fallacies) are not a good trait to have. In the end we find theists who are not willing to discuss their own personal beliefs in their particular claimed Gods. And we therefore must leave these (twits) to themselves. Because their personal choices only become wrong AFTER we show them this. You'd think that every theist would want to check if their personal beliefs are fallacious. But no, because part of their beliefs is being conditioned not to question them. And this is a shame. Otherwise no debate LOL
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  1869.  @jhk062010  The generalizations were merely leading statements hoping to spark you up, but you didn't take that bait. However there are known cultures in each country, and the generally statistically lower end of countries such as America on topics such as freedom. I'd hope I wouldn't need to spell it out, but the US remain one of the worst free countries of them all. Generally the lowest scoring (however last year's statistics showed the US has moved up a few notches, I think you are on par with certain middle eastern countries, but FAR from free. To tell you the truth, it shocks me to no end when Americans consistently state the land of the free, when for decades they have been the lowest of all free countries. Individual decisions sounds a lot like personal beliefs! If we leave it up to the individuals then you'll get a lot of corruption and individual horror stories. I certainly agree that I wouldn't want some totalitarianism society. But I wouldn't want a society he chooses not to wear masks simply because its not their personal belief! A medium would then need to be found. From what I have seen hourly over days/weeks/months in the US is a willful ignorance and poor attitude to things such as Covid safety. Put it this way, not only did we close ALL Cafe's etc, we also closed the churches! You should have seen the uproar there, with many opening anyway only to be shut down the following week due to so many new Covid cases connected to their meetings. ALL went online after that. However I see a lacks of concern of safety in the US (the current worst place for Covid as you must know). With a somewhat of a who cares people are dying attitude, showing how irresponsible they can be in their arrogance (personal choices if you like). Looking merely at the entire world, be it civilized or not, we find the US to have the absolute worst measures in place for Covid. Even to the point of downplaying this critical virus OR any safety measures such as common masks.
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  1879. No that's incorrect. Both men and women commonly have the same brain. That's why we don't have girl exams separate to boy exams in school on ANY subject. So then the question of: Why then do we commonly see women seemingly less able than men? This is to do with culture, upbringing, social norms etc. In America (particularly, but also other religious rule countries) women are treated as damsels in distress from a young age. ( * I'll note this below as you are female) That they need protecting, or at minimum have a man hold a door open for them! But this culture is outdated and wrong, women don't require men to hold the door open or take care of them, and people around the world (mostly) now know this. Just not in America as yet. Women can be tough fighters helping out men in distress. Either way actually, since men and women's brain level (reasoning, knowledge acquiring, active etc etc) are the same. That's why its not 2 human species, its just 1. Women can be generals in charge of an Army (such as Cleopatra thousands of years ago) Prime Ministers in charge of an entire country (Margaret Thatcher of England). Or Presidents; Queens; Managing Directors; or police! I blame American outdated culture (generally absurd religion) in you not knowing this. NOTE: Particularly in America, women are so put down as weak requiring a man LOL. That this inground poor instruction from a young age EVEN makes many women believe they must be the weaker sex! Very disturbing. The fact of the matter is both women and men can do any job equally. Women can be police, or Sergeants, or even in charge of police. Since they are equally as proficient as men. Modern women (yourself) has merely been instructed wrongly. Likely due to social cultural influences around you when growing up. Often its outdated religious beliefs where their God is a man (LOL) and since he's a man he's a better image than women. No no no no no. Thankfully we worked out women are equal to men (some argue women are better, but the evidence shows they are at minimum EQUAL to men).
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  1896.  @BjornBoswell  I actually believe he was holding the gun out of fear by opening the door and (others stated) his gun was shown pointing into the car. Pretty sure he felt no one was inside the 3hr immobilized car, but held the gun out of unknowns. But he could have lied too. However something we DO know is morals do not line up with God beliefs! We fully know this as every Christian (and even stories in the Bible confirm this) will commit atrocities due to their backward religous beliefs (ie the 2 towers is a perfect example). If the Christian believes they are doing it by order or devotion to their God. An excellent example of anti-moral Christian behaviour is when a Mother k1lled her 2 young children (toddlers I believe) and when asked why? She said: Because now they cannot Jesus sin (as opposed to modern secular laws) therefore they are going to heaven, and her loving sacrifice meant only she was going to Christian claimed Hell. What's wrong with her story within Christianity? Absolutely nothing. If anything Christians should be applauding her, as eternity in heaven clearly surpasses a small finite time on Earth. What's WRONG with her IMMORAL horrific act, is that we now know better. We now know that Christian (or Islamic or any other) religous beliefs are not a defence in law, and for good reason (no evidence of a God or even fairies existing). Her immoral act, although perfectly moral within Christianity CONFIRMS that Christian (or any religous) morals beliefs are in fact immoral. We KNOW this now. The reason why the Officer was not moral (and I really think you are speaking of unethical, but you wanted to twist it to morals) is because we must look at ALL the evidence of the situation, environment etc. And as I said: The Officer could not render immediate support due to the woman coming up on him. Who knows, maybe she was about to shoot him. Therefore his attention was forcibly moved towards the concern of the woman. And this is reasonable under the circumstances (ie they were highly likely in cohoots!).
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  1900. The US voting system is just strange. It is a popularity contest. The winner can be an actor, hero type person, or ANYONE who is popular. No doubt you'll get a popular Youtube creator as your next president! But ALL around the world this is NOT what happens, in free and not free countries. In all other countries the 'President' has some political interests/education/qualifications. Which ironically, you'd EXPECT. This popularity contest in the US shows people can get in who are not well educated in politics. And that's why you get a lot of personal conflict and laws and even judgements! I have seen where your judges can let people off if they FEEL like it! That type of judgement (personal) opens a history. YOU could say in court: I provide official history of the exact same matter (although the person had her child present in court, whilst I have no children - but that's IRRELEVANT to the crime) where a lady was found not guilty and did not pay any fine. I put it to you judge, that I should ALSO be let off, otherwise you are discriminating against me because I don't have a cute child to sit on your lap! And the strange part is > He would be RIGHT. This 'personal' culture in the US, causes your law and politics to break down. And subsequently the country must follow suit. UNLESS there's someone doing all the REAL work in the background? Which means you have a puppet President! Oh the black/white (all humans) argument was based around this personal views and culture of America.
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  1917.  @carmelobagnato731  " If George Pell is guilty" The prisoner is GUILTY, didn't you know? He's in a cell right now. IF Pell said: Am I guilty, is that why I'm here? EVERY guard would say YES, you are GUILTY! How dare you say 'if'! "I am surprised that a judgement has been ruled on such low evidence. " ? It was a unanimous decision BEYOND reasonable doubt! NO one is say its flimsy evidence. Theists keep saying the legal process is at fault. I find it VERY ironic they are all of a sudden interested in speaking of EVIDENCE, as this is NOT their area and it SHOWS! " You on the other hand have some intriguing nerve to attack and generalise views of the Catholic faith" Faith is NOT a pathway to truth. Otherwise Muslims who have faith that Jesus was NOT a God would ALSO be correct!! Therefore faith is ridiculous. Generalized? I can be VERY very very specific, been speaking with deluded theists for well over a decade. Was also Moderator on atheist sites. "Catholic faith, the most charitable organisation on earth" That's NOT true. The most charitable organization is the government who will hospitalize you and care for you AND feed you at ZERO return. Where as Catholics state you MUST read their pamphlets on the absurd Trinity and you are told that this bad time has happened due to your lack of faith. Catholic charity comes with a COST. "Catholics are also notorious for pointing out the evil in the world" I must stop quoting your lines now, because 'evil' goes fully against Psychology and Biology and other sciences. There is no evil thingy running around, and that if we could only cut out this evil thingy then the person will be immediately cured! This is RIDICULOUS. I've stopped because you are ignorant to theist atheist style debates. Yet you brought many fallacies up like it was obvious or something. We have FULLY concluded that their reasoning is corrupt. Pell himself does NOT agree (he says not believe) in the FACT of evolution!!! That in itself should inform you his BELIEFS (not him, or even any theist child) his BELIEFS are absurd!
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  1919.  @wanna3q69  I agree there are NO authorities in science and subsequently atheism after that. It is called a fallacy to say because of my level I MUST be right! When you can see by Pell's level that he is still wrong. Therefore authoritative comments are baseless. This wasn't my intention. My intention was to inform you that I had learned all the theist fallacies (not that anyone needs to, as you merely need to ask the deluded theist what's their evidence or good reason to believe; and then you'll get a whole range of NON evidential things and definitely unreasonable excuses). My point on: Religion is OUT of real laws Religion is OUT of public schools Next religion will be out of public, public. Is HIGHLY reasonable and based upon predictive (through real evidence as stated) that religion is headed OUT of all public areas. My point on passive secularists who are VERY accepting of 'people' who have ABSURD delusional beliefs, is also based on EVERY atheist forum I've been on. I find their NON-willingness to be TRUTHFUL to theists (NOT abuse them by the way) but to inform them their beliefs are NONSENSE, and this can be done carefully and with all good intentions (as in Recover From Religion) no issue there. BUT they SHOULD always be truthful to deluded theists. ASK them why they believe in their particular mythical God nonsense. Immediately after they answer 'look at the trees; or I felt him in my heart etc STUPID stuff) the atheist should (IN ORDER) 1. Inform exactly why those 'reasons' are NOT good reasons to believe in ANYTHING let alone a mythical God < NOTE: ALL ATHEIST SITES DO THIS 2. Inform them that their beliefs are nonsense and BELOW normal reasoning levels. That they (theists) are (generally) defined as DELUDED and indoctrinated into nonsense. < NOTE: NO ATHEIST SITE DOES THIS. Yes it can be an individual case matter scenario, ie Calling an 80 year old theist, deluded, might not actually help her (even though its true). BUT in I'd say 99.9% of cases this is a MUST. You MUST inform the deluded theist they are being ridiculous and pathetic. I generally state: The embarrassment to the evolved human mind. NOT for my benefit (I realize it must seem that way) But for THEIR benefit. They NEED to know their beliefs are based upon nonsense, and we should STOP avoiding telling them the TRUTH. But you really should have stated which part your 'friends' were against? Maybe they don't 'believe' in evolution? Hmm, that would mean they are fuked up insane.
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  2137. I don't know the case or this Judge or anything to do with it other than what was shown in this vid, but I have a most likely scenario for the laughter. For one thing I'd say it is most likely they were not laughing over the death of this man and father. It is so unlikely that there is not any reason (other than loss of control of nerves) that anyone would laugh over the fact that someone was killed in a car accident, lets face it, this is NOT the reason. So you all can stop with your threats of lock her up for good or I'd hit her replies. She was NOT laughing over the dead guy or the situation at all, as its not very likely. The most likely reason why she was laughing is because this particular Judge was possibly saying something to the effect of: Y'all drove this vehicuuuul and dinit care for thu consequences girrrl, yoo didit it and now you R ah payin forit. Whilst the Judge was saying such (hypothetical, as I don't know what she said) wording, her friend likely whispered: Can you please translate what the Judge is saying in English? THIS likely caused the woman to laugh. The chances she was laughing over the dead guy, nearly zero! The chances of her laughing over what the judge was saying, very high. Now, I realize all of it (that and the situation) shouldn't be joked about in such a serious environment with 1. The victims family there 2. Your friend about to get life in prison. But it is UNLIKELY she was laughing over the dead guy specifically. It doesn't make it at all better, but some of y'all Lol. Are likely thinking she was laughing over the dead guy scenario and that would not only be extremely unlikely, it would be inhuman. Does this make it less of a concern? Ok probably not. But at least understand she would not have been laughing about the killing of this father. ie No need to jump over the barrier and bash the girrrrl!
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  2220.  BillieLuv  Money does help. Whilst it would have to be the worst thing ever if your child dies (and partner at the same time) the point is money can provide support beyond what others (most others) have access to. When my Mom died she willed all her money, house, car, belongings to her 85yo boyfriend (so that's called). But at the same time I was on the brink of homelessness. My parents had been willed money by their parents, which enabled them to buy a house at the beach! Whilst they weren't mega rich, they had a fully paid off house, brand new car, and lots of expensive items throughout the house. Us kids were extremely close to Mom (who was last to go). Our relationship built off love and respect. Clearly Xmas time and other times throughout the year we'd all meet up (usually at my Mom's house) for such occasions. Being never money hungry to my parents, my particular life was generally poor, renting in a tiny box unit on a busy road (as they are cheaper) with an unsafe old car. Clearly I knew I was under average, well under, and this through unforeseen circumstances in my life (that's another story). When my Mom being my last parent died, she willed us grown adult children zero. About 3 months (could have been less) I became homeless, literally living in parks etc. This went on for an entire year, until I finally was able to get a (horribly hard) job again, and live in a share house. This experience, up to present, made it extremely difficult for me. Whilst it was saddening my parents were gone, each day for me was survival (by the way I use to like lightning storms, but for people living in parks its extremely scary, of all the lack of food, coldness, alone, and horror stories, really lightning nights were the worst, since I had zero protection, no roof over my head. Money does help. It provides a stable safe environment, healthy foods, warmth and comfort. It gives you mobility to get away and come back, it clearly helps in coping in such a horrific event of family death. I had none of this. Mom knew my position, I don't understand her complete about face, plus her 85yo bf, was wealthy already! It caused me to be very angry and frustrated on many nights, my sadness turned to hate. Clearly this woman (and condolences to her, it would be horrible for her) doesn't have the extra burden that I had and most people have merely trying to survive. Yes money helps.
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  2275. Thanks, think of it this way the more atheists (of any standing, passive, active, or even active aggressive) inform the deluded Christians of their Jesus filth nonsense the better. KIM (ie me): Hi, why do you believe in your Jesus filth, please be detailed in your answer :) Deluded Christian: Because I had a: Near death experience (when my mind was working at its lowest, and I was SO desperate); My prayers were answered in jail (at the same rate as an ill-informed guess); I had a Personal Experience, you can't go against that ha ha ( just like Muslims, Jews, Scientologists; x 10,000 mythical God beliefs); because of my FAITH (being the worst reason and EASILY debunked in EVERY conversation I have); because my God is LOVE (and fear and ignorant confusion and a range of other feelings and nonsense); He SPOKE to me (in Hebrew? What accent? Did he inform you of some scientific thing even science is not aware of? Oh NOTHING like that!); I FEEL him in my heart (that's ridiculous, hearts pump blood); Look at the trees, and people and planets etc (I see trees, people , planets etc). It goes on and on and on.. You know what? Since now that I've heard EVERY single Christian nonsense claim and testimony of their Jesus FILTH, these days I say to them. I tell you what, if you say something I HAVEN'T HEARD before, I'll thank you and treat you with respect. But if its ANY of the hundreds of nonsense reasons (including .. oh just every fallacy, I'm not typing any of them). Then you'll have to excuse me when I laugh out loud at your deluded nonsense. Even a 10yo can learn all the faulty Christian beliefs and why they are ALL based on NONSENSE. Its not hard to do, its SIMPLE, and this is why I laugh at their absurd Jesus filth claims of gullible crap. Is that amusing enough, or do you have a good reason to believe in Jesus filth? LOL I crack myself up sometimes. How DARE I treat the ridiculous Christian beliefs with such disrespect, why this Jesus filth belief is the embarrassment to the evolved human mind. Edit// I forgot to ask: Where's my Christian love? Hypocrites.
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  2283.  @davidjenkins1484  No, we call him sleepy Trump because he fell asleep on every day of his criminal court proceedings. Plus Trump's so called humor is abuse everyone! Even his own wife! He's not a nice man. He literally said he would be Dictator. I mean its not like the Germans liked Hitler after the war, they said sorry for 100 years. Germans teach their students never to allow such a thing again. Hitler rose by being a socialist warrior, he even was sentenced to prison for treason against Germany, he served his prison sentence by April 1924 (exactly 100 years ago). In May 1924 he began his 'speeches' again, that Germany was a bad place due to immigrants. He said he doesn't want any more Jews in the country. The fault was the Government allowed him to be a Government member due to his following of rightwing socialists. There he was finally voted in as Furor and became a Dictator, killing everyone he didn't like. TRUMP said he will remove anyone against him (even reporters!). Plus he said he'll remove millions of immigrants presently living in America! PLUS he said he will be a Dictator, and even once used the same words as Hitler in a speech. Why isn't this enough for you? He lost a civil case on rape. He's presently in a criminal case of lying to the government, and we have so many confirmed lies from him, that its every time he speaks! He even said he won't accept the election (the people's votes) if he doesn't win AND he said he's making his son Vice President. Most reports state he will never leave his Dictatorship (ie Trump family forever). This should be enough for you! He originally said Covid was merely a common cold illness. AMERICA had the most deaths of Covid than ANY other country!!! Why would you be a MAGA?
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  2297.  gdi wolverine  "People like you want him punished" ? He's in jail, OF COURSE we want the criminal punished! IF after it was confirmed he was guilty of his crimes, the judge said he could have say house arrest! There would have been I'd say MOST people irate at this. We imprison the guilty, especially regarding heinous crimes against children. Your constant the law is faulty, or the laws are faulty or Federal laws are faulty, shows zero respect for real laws. We respect laws because they are here to protect us from harm and to keep the community living together harmoniously. "Records show this happens regularly. " It DOESN'T. If this happened 'regularly' then there would be a Federal concern, people everywhere would be upset and doing their best for immediate change. However in this case the law is NOT suspect whatsoever. NO calls for change, and in (I'll quote statistically, because I was once aware this was the norm for all laws and punishments) the RARE occasion say 0.1% (or 1 in every thousand) that the law got it wrong is NOT related to this case. This case used the HIGHEST of legal terms and operation, whereas many other (less popularized) charges may take up to 6 months to come to court; in THIS case it was years with volumes of prosecution evidence and submissions. The fact that its also no stranger to any other accused and sentenced Catholic Priest is a claim to how this case was NOT abnormal or given less weight. It was given utmost importance and extreme concern. The chance the law got it wrong is so low that its NOT worth speaking of, UNLESS you don't respect the law.
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  2299.  gdi wolverine  Left right, I don't think of it that way. Yes I have been labelled all types of things, but to me its all about reason (and obviously evidence). I got on the bandwagon of communicating with theists over a decade ago, honestly I couldn't understand how they could be so, well deluded. Thousands of hours of learning about indoctrination and the human brain and how they are not faulty or bad, they are just mixed up inside. I'm the only active online atheist helping theists Recover From Religion using FEELINGS. Yep I worked out that all the facts in the world are not going to help the 6yo mindset of a theist! You wouldn't believe how many atheist forum members said that ANY theist would just turn away from me. You know what? That's NEVER happened, not once. 2 days ago some deluded theist had earlier commented about ill-informed guesses (he called them prayers), and how his personal faith was proof enough his Jesus was real (you know like how Muslims have 100% faith that Jesus was NOT a God). Anyway shortly after a 'normal' atheist had replied with standard everyday pinpointing known fallacies and basically 'helping' the theist. And his last sentence was: I'd be interested in your reply? You got it, the thread was like a week old, and NO reply came. I came on made a single reply using FEELINGS, and questioning his 'personal' views of his greatest love (mythical jesus). Hmm, it may have been 4 hrs later and you betcha the theist replied. The conversation went on for MANY replies and the 'normal' atheist didn't come back! I'm not abnormal, I just happened to realize their mindset is corrupt (possibly yours too, I'm still bit unsure of that actually) and that this little helpless child with his warm and safe feelings of being cared for by an absentee abusive invisible 'Father' was sadly butchered. He finally accepted that faith is NOT a good reason to believe in anything, and praying had got him no where, other than closer to personal stories of morbid death scenarios (ie the Christian Fear God logo who only seems to be attracted to morbid horror stories, never children playing in the park or on sunny days at the beach, where it seems his God wasn't interested in those times?). It wasn't hard evidence and clear reasoning of how EVERYthing he originally said were common known fallacies. It was about meeting him where his mind was at, a scared child that never grew up. Even the Jesus story showed that he made his own paths in life, its not about following this mythical Jesus, its about making your own paths in life and avoiding the past things that are holding you back, just like that fairy-tale story showed :)
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  2302.  gdi wolverine  Without the public transcript or video of the court case, then we are left with trusting the courts and laws on this high end criminal matter, otherwise all you have is speculation and some raised conspiracy theories about legal process, delays, sexual positions and now financial gain! Since you continually bring up why it took the victim(s) so long to report. 1. This happens to be common, ie when the child grows up. 2. Men don't tend to publicize such sexual embarrassment about their childhood. 3. The law itself makes no change for yesterdays or historical crimes. 4. Because the victim could not hold it in any longer (I think this was his main point). 5. Fear that the trial would be merely thrown out, making the victim feel even more traumatized 6. Not having the strength in mind until finally able to face his abuser. Psychology and even age and maturity of the victim. However I don't feel it was merely financial compensation, that he could have sought very earlier on, plus would have received it at that time! To suggest he would wait 10 years or even 3 to 5 years whilst deciding upon legal action and then finally be compensated, is a bit far fetched. He himself stated: I feel relieved and not satisfied with the term of sentence. Yet even if Pell got 1 day in prison, he (the victim) should have been over the Moon with excitement. To me it shows the victim was NOT in it for the money. This however may have inspired him to bring the matter to court, it may have been that 1 little push he needed. Similarly we have reward $ amount for many crimes that ALSO bring witnesses in to finally tell the truth of what they saw or know about others (leading to their arrest). Merely because someone acted upon a government financial gain, does not lessen the crime itself, it is a separate matter. You are suggesting that government proposed rewards (bounties) works as a defense for the accused, it doesn't. Nor do citizens decide to come out lying over years and years and years, to victimize a supposed poor innocent person (unless they were the perpetrator themselves, and therefore guilty of the crimes). So far we have conspiracy theories and your assertion that oral sex by a MAN who a child thinks he has a mythical God on his side, is somehow unlikely. Whereas in my view such a man would need to be extremely powerful and arrogant to think he could get away with such an act, such as Pell.
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  2304.  @neocrusader736  There is no use to repeat things over again. We all hope people will recover from religion. Countries of dictatorship have similar beliefs their President or King is praised like a Lord. They are not humanitarians or understanding of equality. The way to begin to recover from the nonsense of religious beliefs is to stop being gullible and question others absurd claims in monster supernatural claimed God's. Religous beliefs is most certainly one of those areas that when recovered you look back and ponder how you could have been so mislead in lies and nonsense of clearly unreasonable men. There isn't sufficient evidence to believe in any of the claimed Gods. There's not even a good reason at all. The fact remains that the more we discover t he further ridiculous God claims recede. Originally Gods were at the tops of mountains or under the seas. Then in the clouds. Then in the supposed tiny dots of the heavenly night skies, including the local Sun or Moon. Eventually they were forced to concede they existed far far away, all the way to the edge of their limited understanding of space. In recent times they finally placed their claimed Gods at the end of the universe. Then finally now as outside space and time (which simply means they don't exist). These backward outdated and cruel beliefs especially towards women and children remain only for the willfully ignorant and those who cannot or will not question such a pathetic notion. Some claimed Gods such as the Jesus monster, are obviously charachter of immoral cruelty with irrational fears of evil people (lol) and misguided love, namely loving their mind's abuser. There is no more room in modern society for Jesus sins and Christain Hell stories. They are rubbish. We hate the depicted monster Jesus as much as you'd hate Lord Voldermort. The only good thing to do would be to strike down t his monster in your dreams, and move on to a better life.
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  2305.  @neocrusader736  I was angry with the justice system flinding this Catholic (the worst of the worst obviously) religious man not guilty. A lot of people felt it was like Cathoclism in court, and clearly the only conclusion is that they are guilty of nonsense deceipt and lies. You may find that in your favor for me to announce such a thing. But who wouldn't want the highest representative of the horrible Catholic religion as guilty. I am interested in criminology and proceedings and clearly I accept the legal system in it's verdicts. But to have yet another Priest or Cardinal in jail is good, because then they can't abuse and deceive others any more. I find him as guilty as they come of poor reasoning skills. This is at least fully accepted. Regarding sexual abuse of a boy? Let's say it as most likely but sadly not sufficient amount of evidence to convict this person who has dedicated his life to praising morbid death and imaginary monsters and then abusing children with such immoral nonsense. The people have found him guilty already. Clearly he lied. And subsequently the coward absconded. Seems perfectly suited to their monster Jesus tale. Do you believe a body of a man flew away in the night? It's even difficult to write that without laughing at how absurd it sounds. Maybe he ate a rat before e death. So did his dead rat fly away with him? The story is utterly absurd. I so wish we had sufficient evidence to convict the criminal Pell. But at least we know we he's not innocent, even the courts agree with that.
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  2306.  @neocrusader736  Thanks for your 4 replies in a row! Clearly I must wait a day or 2 if you want to continue your 1 way assault on me. The reason why I understood Pell was guilty was because h e went to prison for multiple months fully convicted of the crime of abuse of a boy. Then he appealed and of course failed and remains guilty. To suggest I frivolously find him guilty without cause his absurd. Then with clearly many millions of dollars from others tithings, he appealed at the High court where he was found not guilty (in law). Actually I think the previous decision was merely thrown out? It wasn't a not guilty verdict at all. I went on about guilty of religious leaders abusing children's minds. But I still announced that yes he was respectively found not guilty. I mean this was much more public than Lindy Chamberlain, it was the No.1 Catholic Cardinal on trial. Yes I can have some e personal opinions on th ed matter whilst respecting the courts d decision. That's not mental illness. It's natural, so much so that I bet the judges said in conference: he's obviously guilty but there is a lack of evidence to find him guilty. This is natural normal conversation. Law courts aren't our personal opinions. For you to attack a normal conversation shows your lack of empathy and understanding. Are you suffering from a mental condition? That was a bit of a sarcastic question. As most people would have wrote back: thanks for being honest Kim and for respecting the law. But not you hey? Wow.
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  2311.  @neocrusader736  Ive watched all Dawkins; Professor of Oxford University, vids. But I do not place any 1 person as all high and mighty. People in conversation are only as good as their arguments. You know I feel like I'm patronizing you! Didn't you know that atheists (especially those online who do become involved with theist debates) do not praise the person; we praise their knowledge of course. You know I'm shocked you'd think I'd praise any scientist or professor. I do praise the scientific method because it works :p I wonder if there were sufficient evidence to continue to keep Pell guilty and locked up for his abuse on children (boys), if you would have been commenting here at all? You see I am here even knowing Pell was pardoned through his millions of dollars (tithing money obviously) by taking the process of the proceedings to the High court. I'm still here aren't I? I wonder if you would have had a strong enough mind or bravery to do that? Somehow I feel if Pell was still locked in his cell you wouldn't be here! Oh the shame. Calling Dawkins a Pedo lover is out of context and not what was meant regarding the process of bettering our moral system. So far all civilized societies have fully thrown out all that Jesus sin nonsense (even the 'killing' part) and replaced them with a far higher intelligent system. We believe in best intentions onto others, and NOT follow any immoral monster claimed God! You are mistaken to bring Dawkins into this. It showed your wilful ignorance, as you must know better but choose not to. You say you are not a practicing Catholic? I doubt that. Do you feel a biscuit is th e body of Christ? You better if you are a Catholic otherwise clearly you are not a 'real Christain.
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  2312.  @neocrusader736  historians or philosophers? I'm up with all that insufficient evidence of the theist claims. Watched all the history hours and hours of it. Listened to you name the apologist. At no stage do they ever provide sufficient evidence for their claims. I have no idea why you have such a fixation on Dawkins (Professor of biology) I'm getting concerned you don't accept the entirety of evolution? Its OFFTOPIC and strange of you to bring up. Its as if your mind went somewhere else. I'm overly confident and happy to discuss any poor reasoning of theists, but even if the entire of science was wrong (which it isn't) then still there is no good reason to believe in any claimed supernatural God! As you require sufficient (not history of a book written at closest 25 years after their ridiculous claim of a man flying away with his body and all). What's reasonable in this new topic, is that some Arab man professed to be the messiah (many did and still do) and then the Romans gave him capital punishment for his crimes, and likely buried him in a mass unmarked grave (so as not to marticize his grave). That's the best forgiving helpful information I can give to Christians, because in reality we have insufficient evidence he even existed. As I'm sure you know, it was likely just verbal tales told over many years and someone finally wrote them all down, too bad it was an anonymous author(s) and that the original Bible is lost. A police state? You've seen too many US vids. Are you against democracy? Are you against our ever bettering legal system that continues to suit the present population? We're not in some militarized police state, all free here, with some minor restrictions on free speech, otherwise we're humanitarian plus. Even recognizing women's rights on abortion (Um definitely I blame the church on that long awaited change). Our 'state' is perfectly healthy. We are living in the best times ever, best health; entertainment; freedom; knowledge; laws; everything. Especially now we have thrown out all Jesus sins as the nonsense they were. You've worked with Catholics to fight paedophilia? Talk about ass about. Try secular humanitarian sites, good idea!. You also state you've conversed with many atheists (and for some awkward reason you sometimes say agnostics? Very strange, I hope I'm knowledgeable too, but I'm interested in others BELIEFS or lack of beliefs, that's all. Plus that's all that everyone is. Everyone is either a believer in a supernatural God or not. No agnostism, gnostism required! What knowledge do I praise Dawkins for? Do you know that makes you sound deceitful? I DON'T praise Dawkins (as repeated here again). I have reasonable trust in the scientific method because it works. Being a respected sceptic I am OPEN to any new evidence in anything, or even a good reason. Clearly this is exactly what theists lack. Lastly I trust that it was a not guilty verdict, so be it. I have agreed and respect there was a lack of evidence to keep Pell locked up. No need to repeat all that. There's something strange about you. You seem near to (because lets face it you aren't) a Christian apologetic. But you also come across as someone who can reason and is aware of all the theist fallacies. You're a twisted wreck :D
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  2317.  @neocrusader736  Socrates is known for the Socratic method. Stating that they agreed with Catholics is not relevant. As every scientific person had to or else they were imprisoned for life or killed. You see this is what I mean about you. You bring up these things as if it's all in line with theism, when it couldn't be further than th re truth. It's like you said: But scientists were all Christains and a Catholic worked out the Big Bang! Um no. They were under th we law of Catholicism they were financed through Catholicism and if the went against that they were killed in the name of Catholicism. It's your writing it's just odd. Without a doubt you have all th we history. Wait I've got it, it's neutral it's such neutral reply you have none of you in it. It's frustrating. It's like I'm reading an encyclopedia or Wiki. You have all this info but you won't direct or sway or place any of your opinion onto it. You would be hood for street edpistomology. You or others merely asking questions (well in your case clearly they need to ask you). I have tried to rile you up on many subjects. But it's all just history and this and that. You'd probably make an excellent Host on The Atheist Experience (AXp mentioned earlier). Except the callers w would say we still don't fully know which way he sways :D Its not the lack of personal opinion (forgot you'd jump on that). It's missing you. I can't put it into words (clearly). My point is I'm positive any Catholic would think you're batting for them. When obviously you aren't. Maybe that's it, it's deceptive.
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  2319.  @neocrusader736  Oh Socrates. You know I have his head plastered in my mind for years. I mistakenly announced Catholicism because I clearly had to bring up how science from the 13th century (I think you wrote 12th) was completely financed and under Christain law. But I know Socrates era is totally separate to that. I accidentally stated Catholicism. Then you went on about all was fine for say polytheistic Zodiac Gods and pagan worship and astrology (homing it in) and how science had no concern in this matter or era. It was me replying too quickly as per usual (even now). The riling up part. I was trying to work out exactly where you stand on theism in general (even though explained in detail) and what method you were using. It wasn't riling up! Or not riling up. It was me thinking whilst writing. Then it dawned upon me that you are a Historian. Which ironically is somewhat of a hated area. Not because your facts aren't right. But because you would freely write: it's a historical fact that Jesus rose from the dead. Or you would write premises such as: Everything that exists was created (the faulty premise) The universe exists. Therefore the universe was created. This logical Historian way of speaking is most irritating. It's like saying it's a historical fact that Batman lives in Gotham city! Which has equal (possibly more) evidence than the historical fact of Jesus. Historians are required for all the fine details. But they are not good in debates. As they may even go along with the theist who says: Jesus claimed..... And you'd answer: yes that's correct. Whereas I'd answer: we don't have sufficient evidence that a Jesus said anything! You see how a Historian can be counterproductive to helping others to reason effectively on this one belief in Gods in particular? We can't have you saying: The theist is factually correct when they aren't! Historians are good for reference dates places eras who said what etc etc. Even cultures. But we are more concerned with actual evidence if something is reasonably true or not (so far zero evidence and reason by theists on this matter). The dawning to me that you are a Historian, stopped me replying in full. Because I knew that you knew that I wouldn't like the Historian 'method' of how to not help a theist recover! Thank goodness you are not a Creationist. Could you imagine with all those historical facts (!) how much damage you could do.
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  2350. " I wasn't going to rob you " Whilst his dying words here seem to be a clear lie as all the evidence points to he was going to rob him. We have: A masked person outside, a gun, he opened the door! His 'baby mother' (??) came within seconds. It all looks like a robbery to me. However, since unmarked police cars are usually heavily tinted, and checking a seemingly abondoned car (sitting for 3hrs, without anyone entering or leaving) Then I am aware that 1 possibility is he had a gun as he was scared of who knows what he'll find by opening the seemingly abondoned new car door. I fully agree the evidence strongly weighs against him checkig an abondoned car! For one thing, if you suspect a car is abondoned in an odd place (off some dirt road somewhere) then generally call the police (if you are that concerned). By opening the door, and armed because you are in fear of what you might find, you also could be destroying evidence in an investigation. The chance he was telling the truth on (or near) his last words, is like a 1000 to 1. Plus since his Mom? or Wife? (their terminology is confusing) was 15 seconds away (?) If he were so scared that he felt compelled to have a gun out whilst opening a seemingly abondoned new car, then he really should have waited for this baby Mother wife thingy (?) to arrive first. I don't believe the dying man's testimony as all evidence points away from it being true. Even reason itself shows that if the police Officer didn't shoot, then its likely he himself would be dead! As such this young guy died whilst lying. What a lowlife twit.
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  2382.  @LSwick-ss6nm  Having arms in America (yes Ammendments and Constitution exists) is basically an American culture. Anyone in the know, understands Americans aren't going to stop bearing so called defence from Government (supposed) tirrany! I get it, we all get it. But this is obviously wrong. I realise no external international nation citizen will not sway the culture there. I suspect that Americans live in fear. It must be a very odd feeling for Americans to visit ANY other developed country. Wondering how they'll get through the night in absolute fear. However, this is not the case. Zero school sieges, zero metal detectors, zero security gaurds at schools or mostly anywhere. Security exists in shopping places etc. But never armed, all peaceful. You, in America! Must hear how can women and homes and etc protect themselves? No one (well 0.001% ) gets unalived. No instant life stop! No teenagers or emotionally unsound people with firearms. You could get into a massive fight through roadrage. No one becomes unalived. Do big crimes happen? Yes, wow we place maybe 6months on stopping it ever happen again. Huge meetings, big news for many months. Not daily, or hourly or second! It's true you could here of knives. Unless it's some direct hit, we are talking lots and lots of cuts, NO instant unalive stuff. Intellectual or emotional unsound people aren't critical. You'll enjoy your holiday. But the first night Americans must be quivering in fear of unknowns. Certainly their outdated beliefs prove this in America. Monsters here? Um really zero. And American fears of bearing arms is unfounded WORLDwide developed places). Oh except in the culture of America! It's not about your Contitutional tyranny rights. It's about Americans in fear. America continues as the worst unalive violence than ANYWHERE.
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  2458. Um, you are totally missing the atheist point. We do NOT agree that we KNOW if a God exists or not (although most are confident the Christian God is pathetic). Theists say they KNOW their God exists and some of those fools also believe in creation! Atheists say we do NOT know as there is no reason or evidence for any mythical God, and if people believe in a God without good evidence then they are classed as gullible, naive, delusional or weak minded and indoctrinated by nonsense. Atheists generally ALSO know that evolution is a FACT and therefore that throws out creationism absurd claims. "How can they claim they know the creator, how this universe was created, and why, when we can't even comprehend the creation?" ? Um, NO. I understand this is the FIRST time you have ever conversed with an atheist, do you have any questions? I'm very clear to others at all times. Just be aware that you need to have a reason why you feel a 'creator' made everything, especially when so far all evidence firmly points to natural occurrences. Also if you are female and a Christian, we have a LONG way to go in your belief in sexist Jesus filth. Some Jesus filth below. Deuteronomy 22:23-24 “If there is a girl who is a virgin engaged to a man, and another man finds her in the city and lies with her, then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city and you shall stone them to death; the girl, because she did not cry out in the city, and the man, because he has violated his neighbor’s wife." Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man finds a girl who is a virgin, who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her and they are discovered, then the man who lay with her shall give to the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days.” Wow your God is an asshole! He even makes the raped girl marry her abuser!! Wait YOU believe in this sexist nonsense???
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  2459. Thanks for the reply. This is why when someone claims they are a theist you then must ask them what exactly they believe. Due to the immense volumes of say one theist standing of Christianity there are literally hundreds if not thousands of unique doctrines and even within those you have the people themselves with their own 'personal' beliefs. And this is only taking into account the mere 400 year old English version, as the original Hebrew language that died, is not perfectly translated, let alone what books may be completely missing! I do understand both sides. After decades of conversing with theists (specifically the Christian beliefs) I am well aware of all their general beliefs of this text. It would be rather interesting asking your GrandPa where he feels the origins came from? In my view it is directly related to Egyptian zodiac beliefs, but when I raise all this history on atheist forums, they inform me there is not enough evidence to justify this. I am FULLY aware of every Christian fallacy, and I needed to learn every argument, every science, every bit of known history, the logic and the philosophy and everything in between. I know how to debate these fools quite well. Fools: As they continue to believe even when pointed out their beliefs are fallacious. Regarding agnostics based on KNOWLEDGE, I find them to be not very truthful, but you also implied that by saying agnostic atheist which is acceptable. Its amazing who you may meet online, I tend to debate Christians EVERY day, and so far there is no confirmed creation or creator, therefore don't say that again!
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  2460. Hi, I'm not sure if you wanted my response but you certainly need it. "i do believe there is an intelligence, a design, a type of "magic" if you will, behind everything. You will NEVER be able to prove the existence of this." Then you canNOT believe this then. I'll explain why. Not so long ago all humans thought that the God Thor made lightning usually when he was angry (bare with me, I realize it sounds patronizing). Humans having an inquisitive manner and want to answer all things immediately, stated that these fireballs from the sky MUST be from Thor, as and natural cause explanations were quickly stated as "You will NEVER be able to prove the existence of this". And since NO one actually could explain any natural cause, it immediately became a 'spiritual' supernatural 'God' thing that we will NEVER understand! But there is a 3rd option, even at that time. Q. Where does this mysterious lightning come from A. (Modern answer, referencing before we knew) We DON'T Know. The answer is we don't know. And unknowns are NOT automatically classed as spiritual. Ironically unknowns IS what science is all about, the quest to find answers to unknowns. Science WAS able to discover that lightning came from scientific empirical facts, and Thor became obsolete. " Science is all about the objective. For something to be fact it has to be measurable. Has to be able to be recorded. Has to be predictable, linear, constant. You can't do that with spirituality because its spontaneous." This is 2 part, you must read both parts until the end. 1. There are NO confirmed or recorded or even agreed upon ANY spiritual examples happening EVER 2. Science is NOT so logical and repeatable experimental (Big Bang comes to mind here anyway), science takes on ALL data, empirical observational you name it. IF something strange ever happens that what science is ALL about. The fact remains that science is confirmed OPEN to everything and ANYthing, and will continue to progress learning more as more information is discovered. You understand that science (scientists; professors; cosmologists; biologists; all science students ETC) LOVE to find anything that may seem 'spiritual', its just that NOTHING like that has EVER happened! Even so, they are OPEN to this and ANY data in the entire observable universe (there's also logic and theoretical scientists with theories outside the universe, for instance the widely accepted Cosmos encompassing the multi-verse theory). ". I do think it's a bit foolish to assume that something intelligent can come of something not intelligent at all. Most atheists I know see the universe as a dead rock." NO atheiest and NO scientist thinks anything like that at all. What science informs us, is there are STILL things we do not know, and NO one should GUESS that its Thor or spiritual or anything, we should try to work out a way of how we can learn to understand if an answer exists. Note: abiogenesis: UNKNOWN. However there is a lot of research on the subject every single day, and scientists feel they should have an answer of cells multiplying in certain fields of energy and conditions. The prediction (science predictions are mostly true) is that we should have an answer to where life came from in about ~20 years MAX. Obviously evolution itself is already a known fact, and all of science accepts this fully, actually evolution is the strongest science of ALL the sciences we understand even known more about than gravity and magnetism! Please example 1 spiritual (fleeting!) observation you are aware of? (I recommend you don't do this by the way). I will then FULLY answer the science of the matter ;) We don't go to the end and say, must be spiritual - lets now work out how we can fill the science in! We DO start at the beginning, with all empirical observations and then finally get to an answer. Otherwise we might think Thor did it! :) In the mean time, the truthful answer is, we don't know.
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  2461. "There is a force which makes every lifeform live." Remember we can't jump to the end and say a 'force' (or Thor) exists, we need to follow the evidence first. " It is so cool how everything is complex yet so simple" Complexity is not a definition of supernatural. Couldn't even a tiny unknown force be spiritual? (that's a play on words though, as we can't just believe in any force to begin with!) "humans themselves can't come close to creating things" What humans can or can't ever do, is not evidence of any spiritual stuff. Even if a snail can or can't do something is the same point. I mean we did all evolve from a common ancestor. "learning about them (sciences) helps me piece it all together and actually further confirm that there is something beyond us." Nope, the more science we learn about, the more we know about science, that's all. You would need evidence to know about something other than known science! Ironically which would then immediately make that a science. "No one can confirm this for you." That's a standard theist claim, the answer to that is, how do you know that? (understand that could be asked on EVERY non substantiated theist claim) "it is an experience everyone has to experience on their own." How would you distinguish that from any other natural brain/body/emotions/psychology of a person? Why haven't I or any other atheist experience these spiritual forces? How can you measure this? If you don't know, then why believe in something you have no idea about? (this actual line of yours was VERY Christian like, normally I would speak about delusions and gullibility, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt). "And I will always sound foolish to you" I'm more concerned you sound foolish to yourself. Spiritual energies exist but you can't tell me coherently what they are and how they are separate to your own mind? Its like you are fooling yourself. I converse with Christians every day, I'm not that interested if it sounds foolish to me, as obviously all theists do in that case! "I would recommend you always be open to all possiblites. " Oh just like science? I'm ALL for that, have you got a good reason or evidence of these claims, or is it just a feeling you have? "I'm better at saying it." Damn, I'm better at typing it. I tried saying it once and I was all muddled up! Even your message here I opened 3mins ago, and I just type away immediately. But make me say it I'm all over the place. Plus I feel that your 'saying it' won't be anywhere as coherent either (just a feeling I have based on historical experiences of listening to every Christian apologetic video that exists). The time to believe in anything at all, including the stuff we cannot explain, is when there is a good reason and/or evidence. Otherwise you are classed as gullible and delusional trying to guess a conclusion when it is unknown to me and you.
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  2463. "you're not understanding what I'm meaning. " I must answer as truthfully as possible, just in case. What I mean by that is the things you stated are just wrong Lol. " Is pure magic to me." ..... "something beyond our understanding".. Its not magic, or godly (for theists) or even Buddha (for one with the world!) So far everything we know of can be explained naturally. If you were to find a 10 Ton rock floating in the air, or people flying, or water turning into wine! That would be magic (sometimes I even say a square planet!) So far nothing outside of a natural cause has been found. It COULD be magic, but the time to believe that is when you have a reason to otherwise you could say its my lucky rabbit's foot. "what you see. Physically. With your eyes. Right now. Is amazing" Like trees and oceans and stuff? All that is just natural + we have fully answered how its all here, and on the quest to find other planets similar. II think 150 or so found already, without looking it up at the moment, although we haven't found inevitable life elsewhere, it is scientifically predicted (only through logic and reason, and chemistry) that we will. "And that doesn't make me gullible, to see everything as a miracle" The time to say its a miracle is when you can show the reasons and or evidence of this. Just asserting stuff is actually gullibility. Lightning is a miracle, wait I mean its not, shit I should have just said I didn't know when we didn't know! "It's a personal choice I've made, which has made it so I've experienced many amazing things, lived an amazing life, and loved beyond what I ever could have before." Yes we are all human, some have amazing lives some don't. I tend to be on a roller coaster Big highs then low lows, ironically I'm on a low at the moment but only due to horrible money or lack thereof. Actually I prefer my life like this, but its not all glory for everyone. The things you mentioned are normal things for many. " Don't you think it's a bit odd? That they all share a similarity" (referring religion) Oh this is why I wanted to do point form again, especially with the next quote I haven't done yet :) (I read on) NO I do NOT think its odd, I'll explain why. Ironically lightning is the best example again! When we first tried to work out where lightning came from we did not say oh it must have been from that snail over there, or maybe it came from my dinner plate! People naturally have a tendency to assign even more mysterious ideas to things they don't know. I can't find my keys, I bet leprechauns took them! Maybe they floated away? These are just natural thoughts of humans trying to make sense of things that we don't understand. What went bump in the night, the burning bush is talking to me, the clouds are showing me pics today, all music on the radio is about my Ex, the rain hates me today, the stars are trying to tell me something! Humans are our own worst enemy, we must put aside our unfounded beliefs and actually use science to find the REAL answers. All examples above can be explained through science. (paragraph was getting too big so I just finished off here). "Can you explain to me, in a logical manner, why coincidences even happen?" Yes logic states that out of 10,000 actions 1 of them may look to be exactly the same as something else. The 9,999 others didn't do anything and THOSE ones aren't anything at all :) Hmm, I'll do a better example. Of 10,000 dreams over 30 years, 1 of them came true, BUT the other 29,999 they were just nonsense :D The REAL magic here is if you can get the coincidence to happen every single time, or that you can tell when it will happen? No one has ever done this so logically coincidences are justified as, if you do thousands of things 1 may seem to be a coincidence when its not really, its just logic. If you throw a dice enough times you may get six 1's in a row, its not coincidence, its just logic. " Why are we aware? How did an eyeball, with all its complexity, come to be suddenly?" Our brain enables us to be aware of our surroundings, it also holds all feelings (just in case you thought the heart muscle does, no). An eye evolving was explained in detail by Professor Dawkins of biology in Oxford University (he is the head of the biology department there and elsewhere). The answer was that even 0.000001% of an eye is better than no eye at all. The progression or evolution of an eye is at ALL stages just as important as any other stage. To understand this better there are animals and insects that have better (or different rather) evolved eyes than us, and that is because it allowed them to survive longer as a species. There are talks on humans evolving to see ultra violet wave lengths as we try our best to see these with other tools, and therefore our actual eyes may adjust to sense them one day. Although evolution is not about bettering, it is natural tiny changes over time that helps our species to survive. If the world was covered in water we would evolve to drink sea water (over 100's of thousands of years) or die out. Likely die out if this was not gradual (say a great flood would just kill most species forever). There is NO confusion on eye evolution > None. ie The science is in :) "...an intelligence. It's simply illogical to think it would just randomly come to be for no specific reason. That seems more like a wishy washy thought to me." Actually biology doesn't merely say intelligence began life. It is about 2 cells multiplying cause multi-cellular beginning of life (as is 100% known). What caused this to multiply is called abiogeneses and should be understood in about 20 years max. We have already been able to create synthetic life in the lab. Most people aren't aware of this. Biological life.. about 20 years before we finally have the answer, as predicted by science. Incidentally, finding life on another planet? 1 to 5 years. " If anything, the natural world, is God to me. DNA, bacteria, atoms, trees, wind, all of this is purely AMAZING to me." It could be that magic snail though? Instead of just guessing we are best to follow the evidence where it leads, otherwise you (and others) could just think it was aliens, or time machine people, or leprechauns. So far >>> ZERO good reason or evidence of any mythical God including any asserted miracle. There is ONLY evidence of a natural world (full Cosmos) we call reality.
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  2621. This video seems ODD. The theif seems to have excellent head protection, and strangely the view on his face (profiles fleeting moments) he seems to be wearing glasses or goggles? I mean that's rather odd because he was lucky enough to be fully protected over his ENTIRE face, when a flash bang was in the vehicle! Plus a flash bang armed in the vehicle? I hope the owner doesn't have a crash, because clearly it can easily go off with fleeting skinny man hands grabbing stuff. Probably not a safe thing to have in your vehicle! I mean I don't want to be overly skeptical of this picture, but it looks as though the owner (who can obviously afford a side window) may have set this all up! Which if the police report and insurance was done, would be an easy stay in prison as not merely a false report but deception to receive money from insurance! Personally if I were to guess the most likely scenario. The guy has been broken into a number of times, so he's set up this video on a perfectly clear day, organized his skinny mate who wore protection and not so scared of flash bangs anyway (likely ex army, and been there done that). And then presented this video publicly to deter would be theives! Plus if I were an insurance investigator, I bet I could even work out who his mate was, and check his Google history etc etc. Now a side window for insurance purposes is not all that big (not grand larceny or anything) but I'd make an example of him to deter other vigilante type owners from doing this again. ie Put him in jail.
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  2661. Um, faith is an UNRELIABLE method! If faith can be used to believe in completely contradictory things, then CLEARLY faith is an unreliable method. According to Islamic faith, Jesus was NOT a Lord. Religious Muslims probably have the strongest faith of all religions, they eat, drink, shave, marry, pray 5 times a day, ALL according to their faith. So are they right? No? That means faith is an unreliable method! "Faith is believing in things unseen" That's NOT good. If anyone tells you just to believe in something and the so called evidence is blind faith, then they are asking (or instructing rather) for you to be gullible. We now know how to attain truth of reality, and that's through evidence (actual observable evidence) and reason. On top of all this, its clear stated in Christianity that women are worth less than man. Of the many many verses against women, one that stands out as the worst of the worst is: A woman should serve man as a man serves his God (effectively meaning the man does nothing of course). There are many horror verses against women, including: A woman shouldn't speak in the congregation! Look the list is so long I'm not going to post them all. Faith is a KNOWN unreliable method, and religion puts down women. How this woman believes in utter absurd backward nonsense is unbelievable. Especially since we have zero evidence of ANY claimed God, and all reasoning points away from it. Her words and beliefs shame her, its embarrassing to listen to. Her apology is presupposed.
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  2673. You pray for me I'll think for you (ONLY one not mine though, its common) If I kick your Jesus in the guts will he yelp? I pray your prayers don't come true (trying to confuse their God, not hard). I don't believe in your Christian Hell and Jesus sins You say you praise this mythical criminal? Geez lucky he didn't get prosecuted today else you'd be wearing syringes around your necks! Curse his tree! (Their Jesus cursed a tree (??) that he supposedly created). If your God is against the act of natural homosexuals, what was he doing with all the other species that ALSO show this tendency? Is he playing a joke on you?!! The God sin of not wearing 2 or more woven threads is mentioned twice in your immoral bible ITS A BIGGY. You better notify all the baby diaper companies!! You say he absconded from his cave, are the police still after him? Christianity is the embarrassment to the evolved human mind. It would have been so morbid with all those dead bodies floating around Noah's Ark! Christianity? Nah I'm not superstitious, plus I can reason effectively. Mythical God is surely going to be mad at you when he tells you he's not the immoral Christian God! You say that blood sacrifice death worship is a good thing? Mythical scary monsters are not true, your parents lied to you. Tell me more about your delusions, I need a good laugh. :) There's so many more, but I can't wait to post my story I wrote to show the deluded Christians their double standard. Here we go. :) Oh that reminds me. I purposely got a couple of dogs to mate, because I wanted to create some puppies. Anyway, the bitch popped out a litter of absolutely adorable puppies, and I love them, they are like my own kids. Obviously I began to command them to do tricks, but one of them turned away from me! No matter what I commanded, this damn MUTT just did his own thing, VERY annoying! Anyway, I've set it on fire, since without me it wouldn't even exist. Its probably burning in agony right now for all I care. So that's moral of me right? You agree with all of this right? Oh and I made this story up, if you didn't already realize.
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  2697. Because blacks are discriminated against. Studies have shown blacks are more likely to be stopped by the police than whites. The reason why its BLM and not All LM, is because white male in America is a privileged group, thus it would be silly to say ALM when its only blacks being discriminated against. The reason why its always black people is due to decades and centuries of culture. Blacks notoriously don't have houses or land to give to the generations. There's no $100's of thousands of dollars (or millions) in their parent's wills. Nor have their parents and their parents etc. had access to higher education, due to being a disadvantaged group in the 50's 40's 30's etc etc. No great grand dad owning a ranch, or business or fine silverware! This disadvantaged group then looks as though it must be their skin color, when the real truth is due to generations of discrimination and hardship. To counter such a thing, you'd need to be: 1. Not racist! And realize that blacks aren't 'wrong' due to skin color. 2. Promote blacks by providing higher better resources, even such things as BLM marches, until you get an equilibrium. 3. Increase knowledge and questioning the falsehoods you have falsely been instructed with. Long ago an experiment was done. Decades ago where the 1st black baby was placed in a privileged white home. 1. The baby/child/adult grew up without crime. Educated. Able to reason. And a happy safe member of the community. 2. It was discovered their brain (where all actions come from) was the same as any other common human brain. 3. Their skin color didn't cause them to be wrong!
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  2772.  @JustDrewSometimes  My main role online is helping theists (mostly Christians) recover from their outdated beliefs. For instance prayers? We now know give the same (or worse) results as guessing. So don't bother guessing for me! And it can't hurt your heart, its about if its reasonable to believe in your mind, hearts don't think. Such wording merely keeps you confused - speak normally. What should you Google? Maybe the modern psychology of equality in society. I mean really this has been known since 1950, but clearly there's references from the entire line of the human species (about 150K years). Women as warriors is not abnormal in history. I probably should have references, citations, readings etc on hand. But generally I just help guide others through their mistaken beliefs. For instance at one stage you said: We respect women. Um... and women respect men as well. And remove that respect depending upon the others views/actions etc. There's no special respect for a gender Lol. If you are interested in why God belief is outdated, merely ask me a question. What's the bet you have never conversed with a secular, humanist, skeptical atheist? Probably never huh? Straight up: Atheists do NOT deny your or any other God, merely we don't believe your unsubstantiated claim, since your God claim is utterly ridiculous of course. We use evidence and reason to determine if a claimed thing is real, you know > the very thing no theist has. NOT feelings, emotions, or heart nonsense poetic talk.
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  2832.  @richardmullins44  Even my daughter doing Masters in Psychology informs me not to capitalize words, its a one of those old habits that die hard, I'm getting there :) BUT, to answer your questions. Because the Vatican controls where their Arch Bishops go! That's the point of them, to be the overseeing place of the entire world of Catholicism. Religion itself is built on hierarchy. For you imply that its reasonable the Vatican did not help the police and outright lied to them or withheld information from the police. Is a dangerous thing. You do realize we live under non-religious law right? Why would anyone hand over evidence and be truthful? Was that your question? Why be truthful if that evidence may make you yourself look bad? Its called being responsible and being true to yourself and your organization. If the Vatican was upfront with supplying all truthful information of all the prisoner Pell's movements, that would be more respectful of them, not less! Your questions imply that its sometimes good to deceive others. No its not. Its never ok to lie and deceive others, and anyone who believed in such a way is classed as deluded. I therefore place the question back onto you. And note this is a Yes or No answer. Would YOU supply true evidence against Pell, if you had any? Good luck squirming your way around that. Religion is not above real law, and putting Catholic Priests or Arch Bishops in jail is of no hesitation once they are confirmed (as Pell is) GUILTY. Edit// By the way, I prefer you don't do single large paragraphs, however I do realize it seems to be the standard of all deluded theist replies. That and double/triple replies, they love that, and I always point it out back to them.
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  2836.  A J  Well this is a fine line. My Mom use to call them 'weak-minded' (implying stupidity or 'stupid decision making') But then it would be a stupid decision to be religious, not a stupid person. Or to narrow it down, their beliefs are stupid. Actually your argument is somewhat reasonable. Because I am effectively removing their decisions/beliefs from themselves. And if that were the case then all people in jail would be innocent, as it wasn't them it was merely a stupid decision. I'm a little bit torn up by this; one because stupid is not the correct word anyway as you must continually define as a stupid decision, therefore delusional would be more appropriate. And two because it points the finger at the actual person being weak-minded to be silly enough to be religious, when the ENTIRE debate of theism is about beliefs not silly state of mind. I'm probably going to stick with their beliefs are absurd, because it gives THEM the option of recognizing a fault within them, BUT its quite reasonable that their beliefs show them themselves that they are stupid decision makers, thus guilty of being shamefully weak minded. My daughter is doing psychology Masters, and I asked her about delusion of theists. Obviously she stated that they are not officially classed as delusional, since that is a confirmed mental condition; although she recognizes that religious people do in fact show the exact signs and definition of being delusional (they have an invisible friend that loves them!!! Lol). Anyway, she said that people who suffer delusions (say Christians to be relevant) and then hopefully recover from religion, are STILL highly susceptible to any other delusional issues in future (say they could easily be scammed or something). And that the only way for delusional Christians who thankfully finally recover, to then remain recovered; is for them to always continue clear thinking, reasoning, and critical thinking skills basically forever!! WHICH Means, that the original idiot Christian who finally recovered from their ridiculous beliefs (say the claimed God who decided to be a fetus inside a virgin woman LOL) are still THEMSELVES weak minded enough for it all to happen over again, say with Islam or being scammed or something. So I'm very torn by your response! I'm only going to stay with their BELIEFS are ridiculous because its actually convenient within debates. But that means I'd be patronizing the deluded Christian because in the back of my mind I'd be thinking YOU (the Christian) are stupid. Since there are possibly more recovered from religion, atheists now than original atheists themselves. Then I can't possibly go to an atheist site with the internal understanding that they are still, or use to be stupid decision making people! Since that wouldn't be welcoming at all. However the fact that the online active atheists are willing to recognize their previous stupid mistakes in believing in nonsense is clearly a bonus. I mean its human to make mistakes, and I'm allowing that they recovered with baggage! :O Very interesting.
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  2837.  A J  Ok (2nd reply in row) I think I have it. By calling them stupid and their God mythical or ridiculous. Places the burden of proof on you to discuss all these stupid decision making etc etc etc. WHEN you should be keeping the burden of proof on the theist for them to show their claimed God is guilty of existing, even though no such evidence or good reason exists to believe in any claimed God. SO, the answer is not to continuously answer why you feel they are stupid (which you must be doing all the time) but to get them to show how they are supposedly not stupid. Therefore the burden of proof remains on them. Plus also that stupid theists is only 1 category. It could be ignorance or through indoctrination or etc etc etc, because there are a number of faulty reasons to be a deluded Christian, or should I say a Christian! So the answer is to stop you from describing what you mean, to then remain with the theist to show reason why they believe. This is why Matt Dillahunty is not a mythicist. He said that by stating that God is just a myth he then needs to continuously explain all the reasons why the Christian God is just nuts. But instead of this he asks the theists to explain themselves. Obviously over 25 years or thereabouts NO theist has ever provided anything close to a good reason to believe in their nonsense claimed God. Damn you may have stopped me calling theists delusional now, because then I get the burden of proof which is ok (since I can provide reason) but its shifting the burden of proof back to the theist which is more important. I think this is why modern atheists don't like Hitchens, because he had to constantly explain why Christians (religion) should be treated with ridicule and hatred and contempt. When in reality its up to the theist to show cause for their claim, not the atheist to place them in a bucket of shame. However, I would accept after every single Christian explaining why they believe that THEN you could call them stupid, just not beforehand. Hooray solved.
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  2840. I too found that throwing a tyre lever on someone's bonnet (American: Tire & Hood) to be uncalled for. But actually there is known psychology where a police officer sees something that never happened (the hands in pocket claim). Under the police officer's unstable out of control fear and power trip, he honestly may have believed the innocent man had his hands in his pocket. The human mind can make up stories that just aren't real, especially under massive pressure (likely thinking of a life/death encounter). The facts were: 1. Attend a property where someone has a claimed gun. 2. Police go to the property and find multiple people, and someone seems to throw something (it must be that gun!) under the car. 3. Police apprehend the man but he is till in a position to shoot the cop. (if he had intent and a gun). 4. Police in fear of his life steps on the man's back, forcing this believed gun yielding man on the ground. The cop (clearly unstuck and unstable) possibly believed his hands were in his pocket. Even though its absolutely obvious they are high in the air. His brain told him something different. Since we know the police officer is unstable (now after the fact) then to weigh up the probabilty of did he lie or did he really believe that? We can conclude he really did believe that (higher probability when looking at everything in total). That type of person should not own a gun, as he might one day mistake a courier company for gang members trying to break down his door with a believed gun in hand! I doubt this will be the last we hear of this now ex-officer. It may be months or years, but eventually he's going to accidentally kill an innocent person. His actions show instability below common level, where mere citizens are much higher in control as he was as an on duty officer (which calls for more control by definition). Its not so much he's looking for a reason to do someone in Its he's mentally unstable, and constant threat towards innocent others.
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  2852. It is irrelevant, since most of the time I act as if I am from the US. Earlier I did make suggestion that I wasn't, this was only to show US citizens what it actually feels like to be in an entire country with: NO metal detectors at school gates! Not police or security guards either. I mean they are KIDS, no need for all this. Its not like they have guns LOL As a teen up to early 20's you can actually go to parties and nightspots KNOWING that no one is going to shoot you. Yes people can get stabbed and beaten up, but I'd say 99.99% (1 in every 100,000) 'may' die from stabbing or hitting, but THAT 1 person, ALL over the news, BIGGEST thing ever, the 'attacker' is like hunted down, I mean it is HUGE news. And its like the ENTIRE country help find the attacker, since its >>>>>>>> UNCOMMON to actually get killed at school (especially) work (other than work related accidents of course) home (i mean robberies happen, but with a gun? > NEVER). Out and about, restaurants, night venues, concerts, comedy clubs, your local porno shop? :) >>> NO ONE IS GETTING SHOT (except 1 in a million!). When the 'bad guys' actually have guns, they DO NOT just willy-nilly use them anywhere. IF you have a gun (and with impossible to get, bullets!). You would ONLY use it on the person you hate hate hate hate hate x 10,000. You are NOT going to kill a cop or an unknown person at a club! OR children EVER. So... Good idea to raise a family in the US? NO EDIT// Statistics on 'armed' robberies in civilized countries other than the US are misleading. 1. An armed robbery could mean the assailant has a toy gun, that's still classed as armed it the other person thinks its one. ACTUALLY, if you place your fingers in your pocket and go into a bank and say, stick em up (lol) I have a gun. THIS is classed as armed robbery, as you gave the SAME feelings and understandings to the victims in the bank as you would have with an actual gun! So armed robbery statistics are misleading. I'd say of the reported armed robberies, most are with toy replica guns (NOTE: Toy replica guns are illegal as well).
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  2865.  @rayb3117  How ironic. In my country: You can't be 'carrying' > Because that's against the law to own a gun, especially a handgun! I mean a farmer 'might' have a single action rifle locked in a safe, and of course by law the bullets must be locked away in a separate safe. And obviously a farmer can't just have a rifle merely because they are a farmer! It would be a 6 month process of application showing: >You have a strong valid reason, such as wild animals are killing your farmed animals >You have never had a conviction, really for anything. >You are of sound mental state (really this one is most important). >You are aware that in any circumstance you cannot shoot people! >You can never have it loaded, plus it can't be in your car! Unless you and your car are on the farm >You are not allowed to 'conceal' your single action (possibly bolt action) rifle. >Your grant for application only lasts a year, where you must start the process all over again. IF you are pulled over by any police, even if you have broken the law or not: >Immediately jump out of your stopped car and approach the police vehicle (this is courteous because it means the cop doesn't have to walk over to you). >Dig through your pocket for your license (many have it in their wallet because its excellent form of ID in many areas, so best to have it on you at all times). >If the cop (unlikely) asks do you have insurance, what I say is: Nah, can't afford it, SO grateful that's not mandatory. >If the cop asks why didn't you didn't pull over for the last say couple of kms or more (and yes kilometers, because we want to make all maths easier for kids not harder! And base 10 in everything is literally simplifying maths). Say: I was just finding a safe place to stop, obviously a valid legal excuse. >Oh, just leave your keys in the ignition and car on for heating or cooling depending upon the weather. >If he asks you do you have anything on you (meaning drugs usually) You could say: Like a gun? And then both you and the cop would start laughing, because carrying a gun on you would be like 10 years jail and absolutely ridiculous > Um I'm not killing anyone today LOL It would be funny and lighten the moment for the cop and you. >You could quickly take your mobile phone out of your pocket, and show it right up to the cop in his face and say: See I keep my phone in my pocket whilst driving. He'll think that's good of you. >If you have committed an offense, ask the cop to go easy on you and you realize the silly mistake, obviously you can just get a warning only if you made the cop laugh about that gun joke you made. >If you haven't committed an offense, I usually ask if I can see their gun as they are fascinating right up close. The point is: NO one is shooting anyone, and if they were (say like that news article you hear about once a year) it would be a huge issue, plus you would NEVER carry an illegal gun on you in the car! I mean what if a cop pulled you over and checked your car for booze or something! Alcohol is obviously quite legal, but I've heard stories that sometimes the cops steal it!! If you suspect a cop is not really a nice cop, personally I'd say drive off if you haven't done anything. If the cop tries to stop you from going, say fine, I'm driving to the closest police station to make a report against you! But most of the time its just a friendly conversation on the side of the road. Guns (and bullets) do NOT belong with common citizens. No one is thinking good day to commit murder today! Therefore no need to ever have any illegal gun, plus good luck getting bullets, I'd say next to impossible.
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  2867.  @emanekaf145  Without re-reading all the posts I have done, I have fully accepted that a career police person who goes to work gets paid and comes home everyday to his/her family, is quite just in using any force allowable by law to remove the threat imposed on them within their normal duties of being a cop. We see this time and time again, where a police car chase turns into 50 police cars against the lone vehicle. This happens because its not a one on one schoolyard equal fight, it happens because the idea is to stop the assailant with all resources available, even satellite pursuing surveillance. Cops aren't soldiers in an pre-ordered battle, they are at work. This simplification that a knife is used in a knife fault or a gun in a gun fight etc is just not true in reality. You do not merely bring the 'bigger gun' to a gun fight, you bring the biggest gun allowed to even a knife fight, including 50 other police officers all having the same resources. The psychology here is that its not a one on one fight, its about stopping the threat with all means available. I too am into criminology and psychology. This area is mainly about the defense of the criminal mind (not the police at all). It favors the criminal who's mental reasoning was effected due to so many emotional; mental; psychological; social etc etc reasons. It is about stopping the maximum resources available to police, through new restrictive laws and knowledge. A psychological criminologist may argue, why didn't you merely give him his medication? These people (psychologists) are required after the fact, and their own scientific facts of the situation, may even be thrown out of court. (generally where we see more mentally disturbed people in common jails instead of asylums). They are yet another resource police can use, but is not the overwhelming requirement that must be adhered to. They are best suited to the courts. My shifted viewpoint on this through the course of this thread. Is that if cops were able to use a nuclear bomb to stop a knife fault, then let them. (although nuclear fall out would be a bit much actually). The point is these cops are at work not war.
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  2898. Agreed. must not by its severity be degrading to human dignity must not be severe punishment that is patently unnecessary must not be severe punishment that is clearly and totally rejected throughout society Must be only a severe punishment that is obviously inflicted in wholly arbitrary fashion It also translates directly from (1689) NO suffering, pain, or humiliation. And then revised from (1798) "No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment" I think these 'punishments' definitely fall into: "humiliation & degrading to human dignity". The 'severity' is debatable, but how can you access the severity of people being humiliated and harassed online? Some of those people kill themselves over it! I'm not from the U.S. but I find further issue with this punishment, other than humiliating. Someone could be charged for the exact same crime one day and IF the Judge says well that's minimum term in prison and fine, you could just reference this matter and say, 'Well they got humiliation'. Why can't I just get that?' Similarly if a Mom and child totally get fully off (NO punishment). You could argue, 'Well I don't have a young child here to plead my case, BUT that shouldn't go against me, therefore let me off!' I just thought of a 3rd issue! If Judges in the U.S. can impose ANY punishment they see fit, then this opens up full corruption in the court. Judge our next matter is with this person who kicked a dog! THERE's the bitch accused lady there!! Judge: Damn dogs always getting in my way too. I declare the state must pay HER $10,000 for this injustice of bringing her to court! Say what? Oh yeah the Judge can do whatever they like (there)! It is NOT the same in British sovereign countries at all. The real irony is that I COULD see a U.S. Judge doing this! As that just seems like a U.S. thing to do. Its like whatever your personal take on the matter, well that's the present truth! Something is very strange there, and its corrupt!
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  2901. Its like the industrial era, or coal era or even the shipping pioneers era. The present 'technology era' may be passing, so negative talks of we are all doomed or something (ok exaggerated slightly) may not be justified; we may merely be going into the next era. Now I think most people would be happy with a Earthy natural or 'Greens' era, maybe that's it? Maybe its using up all the resources and finally finding another exo-planet that we could get to and live on? Who knows, but 'change' from gears and machinery towards computers and social networking DID seem to work out. So all those industrial age pessimists were actually wrong (argumentative). No, I was talking about REAL poison! I'd say in a 100% deluded theist world, actual real poison would likely be used to wade off 'evil spirits' (you know bumps in the night or possibly angry Gods with lightning!!!). This topic is about a planet where theistic beliefs is the norm and say everyone believes in a mythical God! Yes they will administer poison, and yes they will burn virgin women on Sundays (to appease the Gods of these 'evil women'!). A theistic run world would mean the world is not spinning anymore in anyone's mind; it would be their particular God brings the day! There are too many absurd horror ideas of a theistic world, and they all point to doom (ironically). I didn't grow up in a theist mythical God believing house. Thankfully (and proudly) I'm not even baptized. To me learning how to speak to deluded theists has taken some time, obviously originally I thought a couple of lines of text and then they'd recover! Much to my shock I became aware of indoctrination, that people actually believe in nonsense and will even fight to stay that way. The saddest part about delusional Christians (all theists) is that it shows the human brain CAN actually be broken down to this shameful level of believing in a morbid death praising blood sacrifice horror mythical god (that's just the Jesus filth one). When I hear of the small but significant percentage of real scientists who are also theists!! It is upsetting and shows the real danger and reality of human brains are easily lured into nonsense (since they were born atheists originally). I'm aware of the many ways they can become indoctrinated into nonsense, but there's no other way to put this: Theism is the embarrassment to the evolved human mind.
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  2918. @Second-Hand Videos Actually your writing shows maturity and your idea on supporting these deluded twits, in a very supportive way, certainly came across admirably. The fact is SHV, these religos do NOT have sound reasoning when it comes to this specific subject that obviously extends into their living a life of lies. I was especially interested in what helped you Recover From Religion, and you raised how say sweet young kids of the African tribe somewhere are supposedly going to hell (I'm just adding some context and perspective in your example) and how these kids are supposedly going through eternal misery simply because they believed in the wrong God OR that they grew up in the wrong area with the wrong parents. Agreed that this Christian nonsense is ridiculous. Anyway, your recovery was actually due to reasoning things out, these deluded twits haven't even started that yet! Think of them as so young in mind that they are before the age of reasoning (around 6). They STILL believe in scary mythical monsters are watching them, and its just pathetic. I realize YOURS is the common relaxed patient wonderful secular supportive type role. Yep you'd be one of the chosen ones at atheist forums who accept ALL people (of course) because we respect people and their beliefs...well you can't prove a negative, am I right or what :D But I deal with REALITY, and the reality is that these deluded twits are either emotionally unsound or they have been abused to such a level they now love praising the scary monster of morbid death! They won't understand that say the serpent was the only one that told the truth, they hear 'devil' and that suddenly means - guard up as evil people are at foot LOL THIS is how fcked up they are. People such as @서우 have not yet BEGUN to reason above a 6yo level (on this one particular subject, that effects their, and others, entire life). You cannot use reason to reason to the unreasonable. They just don't get it, due their Jesus filth absurd beliefs in utter nonsense. How I approach them is similarly how a parent would approach a child who is out of order and misbehaving. STOP your nonsense 서우 mythical scary monsters (your Jesus filth) are not true, your parents lied to you or were lied to themselves. Your absurd Jesus crap makes you sound shameful and the embarrassment to the evolved human mind! You see SHV? They are immature when it comes to reason, and sometimes we must be direct and corrective to their wilful damage to their own mind, only then can we begin to reason with them about their Jesus was the immoral bastard fictional character DON'T praise that confirmed criminal.
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  2922.  @phoenixking377  You CAN change the way people falsely think! It is possible to understand reality and that their beliefs are based on nonsense, this is the main reason Recovery From Religion exists, people DO recover! The process is notoriously reason and knowledge, but I tend to add a further step, I feel that since their emotions are corrupt (unfounded fears in the morbid mythical God of death ('Fear God' logo) and misguided love (loving the horror monster, especially noted with their horror God is expected to kill all people one day, and therefore this is why they love him!!!)). People DO Recover From Religion, since I have been doing this a long time, yes I have had many people say to me: Thanks Kim I am an atheist now. So your first sentence was incorrect. Think of it like falling out of a marriage with an abusive partner, but in this case the partner doesn't even exist! Why stress out getting mad. Ok that's true. It does upset me seeing children (especially) being abused by their unknowingly lying parents or the corrupted church's indoctrination processes. Plus I accept science is our best method of determining reality of all life and the Cosmos. I mean hearing from deluded theists: "I don't believe in evolution", is wrong on SO many levels. Its not just that science (actually fact); its natural gays its their ill-informed guesses (prayers) when say doctors are supporting a patient; its a whole range of things. I came up with the line: Religion is not the present way or anything, its just presently in the way of everything. I have been able to simplify a lot of things into 1 line, because lets face it, theists aren't big on acquiring knowledge. Everyone forgotten. Your question is a bit open, because I could answer this on: Actually life still continues in the world even after say the deluded theists die. But that life may have been effected by the deluded theist. Generally you must be aware that Muslim parents bring up Muslim children, and Christian parents bring up Christian children etc etc. So obviously these past people DO effect their children adversely, and then THOSE kids are indoctrinated into nonsense! Thankfully our modern world has removed religion in laws, public schooling, and in many public public scenarios. Eventually I suspect religion will push the most fundamental cognivite dissonance believers back into their closets. That would be acceptable. The 2nd way of answering this is in regards to entropy and heat death. But this falls short too. Its like saying: Why save a drowning baby I mean it'll be dead in a 100 years anyway, and even the parents will be gone. We help people Recover From Religion so as to give our life and others meaning, so we can all be living the best life surrounded by reality. By doing so we then discover new and better health sciences, and obviously better technology, especially apparent with new learning and discoveries within the Cosmos. Yes it seems the Andromeda galaxy WILL collide with the Milky Way galaxy and yes its true that our own Sun will expand and engulf our planet; both in about 4 billion years. Only science can help us to survive these events (let alone inform us of reality), until then continue gardening or enjoying life whilst informing your children of all the wonders of reality that don't include praising the (ZERO evidence) mythical God of morbid death. What would you be proposing otherwise? We are all doomed therefore lie to children? How about life is important and there's always hope through science and reality.
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  2925.  @phoenixking377  Its obviously a subjective personal preference, because its all about theist's personal feelings on the matter. YOUR argument is about the glass half full 'pessimistic' stance of, we all die anyway. My point is about we are all presently alive and therefore should make the best of our lives whilst displaying goodwill to others. In other words, I find that theism is NOT good for anyone. I have good reasons for this; but the main one is that their ideas and feelings that theists provide for their personal (subjective) beliefs are substandard. Since I'm in a position to inform them of their simple fallacies, I do. However, I am going to make your own argument for you. If life is important and we only live once, why then waste time on helping the deluded theists, especially when it can be frustrating at times. Although I had previously answered this as life goes on for others (ie even my family members) therefore lets all try and stop these deluded theists. BUT that doesn't really help me then doesn't it. I could also say I'm leaving the world a better place by helping to cure some deluded theists and thus the thousands they may infect. BUT again that really doesn't help me. So here lies the response on why do teachers exist, why do doctors fix patients, why do active atheists help deluded theists recover from religion etc etc etc etc etc. I mean why do fire fighters put out fires, as next summer the fires are normally always in the same country area no matter what measures they take to help avoid them starting. And ETC. The REASON why supportive people support, is not because they can. Its because its inherently naturally instinctive act (Richard Dawkins states because the small tribes if they took care of each other then that person's survival also went up, but others caring for him). In other words if I were a deluded theist, I would be extremely appreciative if say even a stranger helped me to reason on a basic level again (at least), and then possibly help me improve more. I would hope that others would also try to help me, just as I am presently helping their theistic cancer of the mind. There HAVE been great talks on this by famous others. But I'll just mention me. Because I can't stand by and watch the wilful abuse towards children of theists - who either willfully lie to their children (on such things as mythical Jesus filth or that pig Allah bullshit) OR you unknowingly (generally through lack of reasoning skills) LIE to their children about that Jesus filth Allah pigshit and obviously others, absurd nonsense. Ok fine, I do it for the kids, even the kids who have not been born yet. These ridiculous adults who believe in absurd nonsense, can go into their closet and ill-inform guess (they call pray) to their Jesus filth mythical Gods, no issue at. BUT don't tell your child this horror God is true because that's ridiculous. [kid] Mommy, Jesus came to me in a dream :) [PROPER Parenting] Don't be silly (son/daughter) there's no such thing as these absurd horror Gods, they have been made up for the weak minded; AND dreams are NOT a good reason to believe in any mythical monster, or anything at all. Its just your mind playing tricks on you. Thankfully my parents were PROPER.
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  2957.  @albiorix9645  There are arguments for and against this HUMAN gene manipulation, before they are classed as having legal rights. The term legal rights may prompt many possibilities in your mind (compensation for disability or lack of quality of life; or exclusion from certain physical sports and intellectual events due to having an advantage in this case). BUT, I'm going to speak of a positive ;) It is no shock that a genealogist has inevitably decided to test using actual human DNA at this time. Now is the right time for this in science, we have made SO many medicines (and operations) after the fact, and so many inoculations that continue to be injected into ALL school age children to avoid (now curable) certain diseases. Why not remove this FAULT before they are even born. It was Cosmologists that made me think about timing. Cosmologists and astrophysics show without any confusion that our science is perfectly ideal right now. That IF Cosmologists first came about a few 100 million or a billion years in the future instead then they would NOT be able to initially know what we know today to be true (due to galaxies moving apart and away from us, and things such as the radiation from the observable edge of the universe would NOT be known or seen at all - this being one of the many reasons we confirm the Big Bang with). Plain and simply, Cosmologists state: There is no better time in all of history and into the distant future, to presently observe our known universe. I began to look at other areas, like how we know about the ozone layer depleting causing climate change, perfectly at the right time now to do something about it. IF we had learned this in say ... 200 years (even 50 or a 100), then it would have been too late! Similarly I see how 'life finds a way'. But it finds this way when ALL is lost and no life should exist. If you know evolution as much as I do, then you know that there were MULTIPLE (possibly millions) of times and events where human species just would not have made it at all, yet our branch perfectly timely made a way. IF we had evolved before dinosaurs or even before ANY of those world catastrophic events (I think its 6 of without looking it up). Then humans would NOT have evolved. I could go on and on with examples of natural perfect timing of the universe and all of life. The time to genetically modify DNA is NOW. We are up to that stage, as all 'after the fact' medicines and operations we KNOW are maxing out. We need to modify human genetics NOW, and build a healthy long lasting STRONG and beautiful new human child, just as ANY parent would want :)
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  3036.  @incomearner2  experts in modern up to date knowledge not intelligence. Even an average level of IQ with the most modern knowledge is fully acceptable in most professions (possibly not brain surgeons or most PhD or scientists. Clearly scientists and doctors need to stay up to date on modern knowledge. In accepting this i must also accept that not all theists have a lower IQ either. They just lack basic reasoning skills. However there was a survey done recently that showed that theists are commonly lower in IQ in comparison to the averages in society. This is mainly due to their welcoming of individuals with any mental illness, or any educational level. Generally with 'debates' online I obviously recognize the Christian apologetic having a high IQ. but again clearly lacking basic reasoning skills OR they are merely lying (which I feel is more likely as these people definitely would have looked up what evidence exists for their claims of Gods and obviously found zero of) To weed through who is lying and who is merely delusional does come out through longer debates. As you pick up where the theist is intentionally misleading or avoiding the answer to their unfounded claims. I have heard from others that Pell was seen as intelligent! But listening to him on many occasions he actually comes across as not intelligent in my view. I agree he is likely deluded AND a liar, as the courts also concluded (fantasy and lies) I do not automatically think that many Catholic replies are clearly delusional, I think that many are deceiving others (and children) and their lack of care for this shows signs of psychopathic behaviour. Generally most (like 99%) are simply deluded through their indoctrination. Theists are the embarrassment to the evolved human mind and should be ashamed of their public promoting of this absurd belief in nonsense.
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  3037.  @jacaranda4u  you are speaking about legislation to stop the haters we find in most common religions. This action is about if the religous can openly state in public that all atheists and gays etc are going to the Christian hell for their Jesus sins! I am for the stopping of this public hate speech by the deluded religous. I do not feel its a anti free speach to stop believers continuously saying to me or even any innocent child, they are going to burn in some mythical claimed hell that has zero evidence for its antisocial views. Or that some certain people are going to go to a place where their God isn't! These hateful and outdated abusive words by the deluded mythical God believers SHOULD be outlawed in public. I'm all for if they want to express such ignorance gullibility and hatred in their own private ministries of deception (churches mosques etc) but NOT on public forums and not in public at all. This is what I have been saying for years: Religion is out of public laws Religion is out of public schools. Religion has been considerably reduced in public events (such as Xmas sharing of gifts and goodwill times) Lets get religion out of the public PUBLIC. I'm extremely confident that laws will change to make such discrimination and victimization of natural gays all gender types, atheists or any others including their ludicrous beliefs on adulterers! Will most definitely remove these horrible religous attacks in all of public areas. Thankfully. I even think Google themselves should ban these deluded people from YouTube. Since its inevitable anyway.
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  3038.  @jacaranda4u  yes I agree with all that for the common accused child abuser. But in Pell's case he did use the maximum amount of finance above any other previously accused child abuser (bar say Michael Jackson) Including to then appeal his found guilty verdict. And subsequently was still found guilty. What you described of most people merely trying to help themselves with a possibly less than adequate financial defense, does not apply to the 3rd in line to the Pope who was also the Treasurer of the entire Catholic organization of the world! Pell will not eventuatually come out of prison with any financial burden (especially due to the fools who will then continue to finance his personal financial pocket) To guess that he's a multi billionaire, would not be shocking. This with the fact that the Catholic finance books have never been made open to the public. Pell is not a financially burdened criminal due to the extraordinary over the top legal defense he paid for. Since in Pell's case its not about the money, nor private jets or bigtime lawyers with volumes of books of defense submissions. Then we can throw out most of what you said! The government can't get Pell financially and pull him down, I'd say it would be next to impossible. Regarding the LEGAL proceedings. If you feel our child abuse laws are not in line with the public (possibly to throw out witness evidence of submissions) thenyou can try to amend the strongly laws and submit some reasonable change in procedure to your local member of parliament. The irony is that it has been constantly stated by the majority of the public that convicted child abusers should have even more stringent punishments (such as wearing the mandatory GPS anklet after serving their time. Strangely your ideas are in opposition to the public pressures on the government? In any case, Pell is presently a criminal in prison as a convicted child sexual abuser. And I do trust (reasonable justified trust) the judges got it right twice!
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  3040.  @jacaranda4u  Um Fiona, no doubt you are are deluded Christian in Jesus filth or something. So I realize you definitely won't read here (its the Christian way - don't learn) but I'll say it for others reading. I'd be overjoyed to not constantly inform deluded theists their horrible religious belief is ridiculous. But until we get their pathetic absurd and shameful words out of the public arena then people like me MUST defend others and put the nonsense of religion in its place (generally the trash, or possibly in their personal home). Its not nice that YOU think I'm going to some mythical absurd Christian hell. It is destructive of you, and the closest to child abuse, if not child abuse, that you can get. YES there is an inevitable shift to stopping religions everywhere in public (If you are old enough this will be obvious). The shift hasn't changed or anything! Atheism is the fastest growing area in the entire world, and we are not putting up with judgemental twits regarding their outdated superstitious and ignorant beliefs. I speak of others absurd BELIEFS in nonsense. YOU think that 'I' personally will go to your mythical hell for eternity! YOURS is way more abusive than I could ever be. And the world is not putting up with your abuse anymore. Will I go to your Christian hell for my Jesus sins Fiona? Am I putting myself there? IDIOT (in regards to your shameful beliefs). EDIT// Even if your monster of a mythical God existed, the best thing humankind could do, is band together and stop it (personally I say kill the mythical God, AGAIN). You DO NOT praise an abusive 'Father' who commands you to fear him, or believe in him without a shred of evidence and literally to not be able to reason effectively! Or if you don't he'll put you in his torture dungeon! This is outrageous, the days of abusive Fathers or mythical Gods is GONE, we now don't tolerate such willful abuse from anyone, not the battered wife, and not the scared children! We BOOT the abusive freakshow (insert your mythical God) out.
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  3041.  @incomearner2  Those LAWS, that were passed today, do NOT protect deluded theists from others who can reason effectively to call their absurd beliefs out. There is no special clause that says Christians are allowed to tell people they are going to their ridiculous believed in mythical hell for eternity! It merely states that open speech on beliefs still exist BUT abuse to persons (include hate posts directed at persons) should be removed. ie WHAT YOU GUYS are doing. Are you BRAVE enough to inform me I'm going to your mythical hell? (or that I'm putting myself there? LOL) Or have we now stopped your abuse of this now? You can't even say what you believe in to me. Just like your pathetic mythical coward God. I CAN speak about MYTHICAL creatures, that's not abuse if the other party doesn't exist. So what happens to ME after death in your view? I mean I realize the physical neurons and chemicals in my brain that have naturally formed connections to allow emotions and memories etc. And that the brain immediately begins to rot after birth BREAKING these connections. But what's YOUR belief? Plus you are aware that head trauma has been CONFIRMED that it can stop people remembering their love ones and even changing their beliefs. Aren't you interested in biological science? Do apes go to your mythical heaven? WE ARE STILL ON THE APE BRANCH! Anyway PLEASE tell me what happens to me? I'll 100% listen, I can't wait for your answer. (likely NOTHING). HINT: We are pushing abusive theists OUT of public.
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  3045. From a person who is not in America (gun lovin' country). Kids are safe in our schools. I'm pretty sure there has NEVER been any school gun shooting here ever! Quite a few fist fights and pulling hair, that's about it. There are NO metal detectors at our school gates! Students are a bit upset with the homework and the occasional bullying (which is being dealt with well these days), but NO one here is afraid of a angry mixed up kid, grabbing his house gun, since there are NO guns in the house! A LONG time ago, we had a similar debate that guns don't kill people people do. This is BULLSHIT. Teenagers do lose control of their emotions, and I'm positive that if there were guns (and bullets) available to any household, that we would definitely see a lot of angry teens shooting their 'enemies'. The reality is that we don't have mass shootings in schools here and kids DO feel 100% safe they won't be shot at school. It is close to impossible (although there are country folk that require rifles on their farms, I'm pretty sure the bus driver would notice these LONG barrel guns, plus 'farmer' children go to tiny country schools, where everyone knows everyone. The feeling here in public teen schools, universities, colleges ANY educational department, is 100% knowing that they won't be shot up at school ever. And this fear you must be having in the US would actually cause me to pack up and leave. I would NEVER allow my kids to be in harms way, and so shouldn't you. I'm also against religious schools, but they are not death concerns, they are just mind disillusioning concerns of your kids, plus rape etc. But that's another topic.
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  3048. But your English is poor, its difficult to understand what you wrote. You could write it in your native language and then use Google translate to copy/paste it here. " I am so glad this life is behind man " Doesn't make sense. Its kinda a mixture of you are glad he's dead and behind bars? It was very odd way of conversing. " served army then lost my wife and kid in a crash accident back in 13 " Doesn't make sense! I think you were in the Army? And then a brand new completely disconnected point was: Your family died in a car accident? How does the Army fit into that sentence? Completely doesn't make any sense at all. " spent the next 8 years locked up in and out as someone who is 6”1 253pounds police do not like dealing with me " Doesn't make sense! Because you are big police don't like you? That's crazy! And you were in prison and then became a cop? That doesn't make sense! " police do not like dealing with me but now I have joined law enforcement " That doesn't make any sense! Police WOULD like dealing with you if you yourself are in law enforcement. You are saying 2 contradictory things (really in all quotes). " I love it helping people who where like me is what I need " That doesn't make sense! Spelling is wrong, entire sentence is incoherent, what do you love and need? The entire sentence here is jumbled as all fuk! I understand you are either uneducated in English (or drunk?). But none of what you said made any sense. People reading your comment will know less about you from reading it. Literally if I made a guess, I'd say mentally disturbed. Just get someone to help you before commenting again. It was a mess.
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  3074. Well clearly they weren't a loving family being Christian or mormons was it? According to that religion (the filth it is) the parents are suppose to love their defined monstrous God before their own kids. I mean anyone (whoever) who demands: Love me and fear me or else I'll allow you to burn or be annihilated!!! We now know (since about 1950 onwards) is called an abusive relationship. Plus 'loving Fathers' do NOT say you are born unworthy!!! As that's unloving remember. HOWEVER, since you are almost 16, then be fully aware the human brain (reasoning as well) is still physically growing, it continues until about age 25. So things that ARE dramatic in your life now (depression, frustration or even lack of care by others) may seem totally differently viewed at 25. For instance, its inconceivable that a 15yo should be concerned about not having their own loving family one day. Um, the chances are extremely high this will happen, not low! I mean right now it feels low for you, but seriously everything including your own reasoning on things will completely change. So far you have Internet and a device to write on social media (YouTube) plus you must be getting food and water (to some extent) just to be able to comment. No doubt things are tough for you, I get it, I hear you. Even I would prefer a much better life about me. But I'd pay a million dollars (which I don't have!) to be 15 again! Seriously put me in any environment (even a horrible gullible religous house) but being 15 again would be winning the universe jackpot! You are SO young that nearly everything is in front of you. I mean too many things to say, but one day when you hold your own baby (as EVERYTHING points to you doing one day) and tears are falling down your face of how beautiful this time is, just remember you got there by getting through the times you have now at young 15 and onwards. 15? Its like if a magic genie came to me and said: I'll give you a billion dollars or be 15 in a kinda bad way. I'd be saying: Um yeah, I'd prefer to be 15 again even with the concerns. However, I agree its hard for you presently. Support is available by people who can reason effectively and have respectful qualifications, most services for youth are FREE. Adults and society love helping the youth, that's you. Good luck.
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  3077. Um fatigue hey? Actually no. I've had a similar conversation regarding a bus accident. The fact is (especially in 2004) that train/bus/taxi etc drivers, are NOT your common educated people. I know for a fact that at that time train drivers were some of the grunty usually rough beer (excess) drinking type of people. Its a bit like the old wharfies on ports, they basically were some of the meanest lowlife's about. Those trades (not even a trade of course) were meant for the uneducated worst of the worst type people. Now these days its all about customer service, high pay, highly presentable people, many with logistics degrees or at very least actual engineer trades etc etc. Back then > no. Now you are trying to inform your viewers that it was clearly fatigue. This is just untrue. These nightshift train drivers couldn't care less if they had 1hr sleep; and for the little money (they use to get) then many had multiple jobs. So even if you give them more 'rest time' they'll likely be filling the trains up with diesel on a completely different job, AND everyone knew this. So clearly 'rest times' don't help in the slightest, if anything it makes it worse! These "drivers" were rough as guts, 'tuff guys' who were uneducated and couldn't care less about any light (amber or whatever) in their mind it was SPEED to the next stop, then sleep in some hidden spot. These days train, tram, bus etc drivers are paid a lot, and study a lot, they MUST be customer service representatives so therefore aren't drunk, nor the non approachable type, as they were years ago. No idea who the driver of that poor driving skill for miles and miles train driver that was. But if you look him up I can bet he's not the friendly type, and hates learning. As this is what that line of field attracted, and WHY train accidents happened in the past. Common conversation with a (past) 'train driver' Customer: Hi, are you the train driver? Train driver: Shut the fk up or I'll hit you! Customer: ok then.. wow.
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  3095.  @clintmontgomery5108  I'm saying the choice that Adam made was natural, and what we would see in normal everyday life. And that any God who demanded that no one eat from this tree! Should have surrounded it with guards or even himself. As YOU and me both agree that it was Adam's natural normal choice, irrespective of if Eve was granted your God's direct words. By your God seemingly not knowing this, and especially not protecting these people (who now it seems don't know what was wrong only! Which is nonsensical). Your God is at fault. But since you said we are talking past each other (I usually say around in circles, if the other person never gets it). Then at very least be aware that I pride myself being open to reason. Plus as the old saying goes: If you can find something I believe to be true, and through reason and evidence show its not true, then guess what; I'll immediately stop believing in it. The irony is that I don't see the same maturity in reason by any Christian. ie They'll continue to believe, even if those things go against clear reason and modern evidence. I mean you obviously agree, that as science has progressively uncovered more and more facts of life and the Cosmos, that your God seems to be (at the same rate) progressively receding further and further away. This very story that you have multiple times mentioned such things as 'allegory' was for most of the past 2000 years seen as 100% factually true by ALL Christians. How odd its only a myth or story or legend now that we know better.
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  3096.  @clintmontgomery5108  Just quickly answering after reading it twice top to bottom (only because I just had a long reply to a Creationist, ironically about Adam and eve again :) ). "it was not always a natural instinct. We must explore by action because we are cut off from the knowledge of God! " Oh... like animals do? Like how dogs and monkeys and really any species with a reasonable amount of intelligence do? Plus if we are 'cutoff' from knowledge of your claimed God, that means (I mean this is blatantly simplistically obvious) that you cannot believe in this claim, as YOU don't have knowledge if its true or not. Actually your issue here you then lead on with Eve acquiring MORE knowledge and then acting on that ie THAT's Normal! Plus the Serpent was telling the truth! "You want God to remove the chance that they could touch the tree because he loves them God put the tree there so that they could show their love for him." ? NO LOVING PARENT would do that!. Are you placing guns and knives all around your place and seeing if the kids will go against you or not? That would be YOUR fault if they did. Plus not abiding by someones DEMANDS, does NOT mean they love someone less or more! It merely means they (and all people) don't just automatically do everything someone else demands! THIS is how child sexual abuse happens by the HIGHER authority Priests in churches. By them FALSELY instructing children they must do exactly what their God authority demands (or obviously be kicked out) is attune to ABUSE! Evolution? Something I took well over 6 months to perfectly understand (too many theists, so I really had to make sure I KNOW it fully and exactly by definition). Your Genesis is NOT like evolution, what you are doing is trying to read into, or add-on, or reinterpret the words. However 'I' try to read scripture exactly as its written (obviously I'm happy to swap and change to the theist's version of their immoral Bible). Your reading into the bible verses is your undoing., it doesn't say that PLUS we still have 50% of all Christians against the fact of evolution, are they reading this story wrong? True I was a bit aggressive on that other thread reply and it may have come out here too. But your reply really pissed me off, it was like a church leaders reply, ie the most immoral and sadistic job there is, because most of them MUST know there is NO sufficient evidence and NO good reason to believe in their nonsense beliefs! As they definitely would have looked that up.
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  3097.  @clintmontgomery5108  Your first half was summed up about this: "So if you can claim you know anything for sure, I would be very skeptical." THAT's my (and all atheist's point!) you cannot know for absolute sure that you are not living in the Matrix, or brain in a vac, or its just your mind making up the entire world and no one actually exists at all UNTIL you start imagining them! But we agree with the basis of reality as we know it, until otherwise shown differently. That's all we can do. We MUST follow the evidence where it leads (so far NOT God), because otherwise guessing and then believing your guess is the definition of gullibility. Why not guess and believe the Matrix idea? BECAUSE we must accept the reality in which we live until otherwise shown EVIDENCE or even REASON to the contrary! This is like BASIC stuff! Do you see what theism is doing to your mind? Its like everyone knows this basic stuff, but theism just roots your mind up something shocking. Now to read the next half. "Clams about God should undergo extensive examination before belief is granted." Lets keep it with the common known statement. We believe in things when the evidence is shown FIRST. ie You can't believe in a future thingy without evidence (you can guess and hope though) you can't believe in a supernatural species without evidence either! (and guessing in this area seems to go against most of known modern science). Next something about losing knowledge, when they gained knowledge. And you also asked if I'm now blaming the tree? (like Jesus cursing an out of season fruit tree Lol). They GAINED knowledge, remember your Satan told them the truth. They didn't 'surely die' that instant. "They died because God Stoped supporting them, as per there choice." That's halfway there, at least its progression. I agree this horror God did throw them out of their own home garden (and also gave pain and suffering to Eve (thanks God, you bastard Lol). Just in case I'm not angry with your God!! I'm angry with the notion that people believe if anyone (whatever their species) did such a thing to innocent people who didn't know good FROM bad, then they are definitely not worth praising (at very least). It just so happens there's zero evidence for this God claim in the 1st place, so thankfully such a scary mythical monster highly likely does NOT exist, or at very least, YOU and everyone should not gullibly guess and believe in it! I mean you're like 1 step off from being Muslim! If anything they are mode modern (better), and still they are just as bad as yours. ZERO evidence and ZERO good reason to believe, maybe say it over and over until you go, oh yeah, why the fuk am I believing in this nonsense. I mean lets cut down years of recovery to asap.
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  3106. The reason why many girls/women are seemingly more emotional (regarding loud words, tears, emotional outbursts) is only due to upbringing and the enviroment/society they tend to conform by. Psychology has already (decades ago) confirmed both women and men have equal brain processing ability. This is why co-ed schools exist (for hundreds of years) both boys and girls can learn the same thing at the same age at the same level. When female commenters (and men too) suggest women are just like that and men aren't, that's called being ignorant to KNOWN neurological and psychological science. A biological man can obviously be just as emotional as any biological female. However, due to issues with equality (especially in America with their religous nonsense) boys sterotypically tend to be wrongfully instructed not to be emotional or speak out, or to be looked upon as weak! And clearly women are sterotypically wrongfully taught (in society) to be the helper of men and especially never be physical (how can they be as girls? Because then they'd dirty their pretty dresses! Thus society upbringing). So we ALREADY know that both men and women are equal, within society; its just that the sexist culture clearly takes generations to get out of men's (and women's!!!) minds. Presently women are still more discriminated than men in society. Saying men can be like that too is similar to saying all lives matter, when the reason why blacks lives matter is a thing is because THEY are the discriminated group > just like women in society. Of course men can be like that too as there's only 1 human species not 2 different types! Men and women have the exact same level of reasoning ability, but women are still discriminated against within society. All this because the OP made a reasonable point, but began with as a lot of women do IF those backward outdated words were ommitted, then his point was valid (although it wasn't a reasoned out great idea by the unhinged woman, as clearly she lacked emotional control, so her likely subconscious act, may have worked in a street brawl, it would be impossible to work in that professionally run environment). Do you see what you did OP? No one's discussing your point, its all about your MISTAKEN out of place first few words! It must have been frustrating for you not to have anyone discuss your point, because YOU began your post wrongfully! Next time read it before posting. Even if you said: Sterotypical woman, the problem is you are making the point of your post about WOMEN, when your actual point was about causing loud disruption < point lost.
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  3120. The brain will try its best to survive by showing you absolutely anything that can wake you up from associated trauma. It is not uncommon to 'see' things that just aren't there, or to visualize your entire life in one big scene. Again your brain will try anything at all to bump start you back into surviving. Things like out of body experiences have been conclusively proven as false. From using simple experiments as placing a sticky label to the roof or even bringing in something different into the room. The recovered patient never 'sees' these things even though they claim they had an out of body experience. Science has found the brain will SPIKE at the end. It can make a dying patient high on triple dosages of morphine (far more that a person normally being able to respond to even being operated on) and the dying person will still open their eyes at the end seemingly fully awake just before the end. This 'spike' in brain activity has given common responses (by near-death patients) as being flooded with light OR seeing past relatives. Basically the brain will try ANYTHING at all, but can only try things that you already knew of, such as your own life experiences. None of which is real for that time and place. Drugs and brain trauma are negative bad things that make our thoughts WORSE or less reasoning skills. I remember being so high on drugs at an overnight beach party that I began walking into the ocean. When I was stopped by my friend (thankfully) he asked why are you trying to drown yourself? I said I was merely seeing if I could walk to China under the sea! THIS is not a healthy brain even if I survived underwater for more minutes than I could ever normally do. The idea with savants in this film is NOT about head trauma or drugs, it is about how the brain can rebuild making neuron contacts that would have never been there naturally before. Therefore the time of this wonderful experience canNOT happen at time of trauma (or high on drugs). it happens only after the brain recovers (if ever) from such a damaging effect. All studies seem to show a younger child receiving some type of brain damage has the best hope of the brain recovering over many many years, its not straight away, not straight after, and its certainly not at time of death.
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  3183. Common deluded theist asking me to find evidence of their lochness monster mythical God not existing, otherwise they fully believe its true! Its like you never grew past 7 years old in your mind. You understand your statement was pathetic right? I mean even a child would understand that, what happened to you? As for REAL money that we can touch and know that it exists, this is not a comparison to believing in your nonsense. According to your mixed up ideas well we should believe in absolutely everything we can dream up, because 1. YOU can't prove its not true ;) and 2 because your ridiculous point is the perfect definition of gullibility! Online money exists as a concept, but YOU think your mythical God actually exists! How pathetic you presently are. We know things are true when there's GOOD reason and sufficient evidence for them. ie We KNOW the process of a mind in humans and other animals because we can measure the electro-chemical scans. I know you don't understand this, but your argument of ignorance is still not a good reason to believe in your Jesus filth. Oh science. You are aware that science is our ONLY present way of knowing about all life and everything in the entire Cosmos right? Its not like scientists say, oh we don't have an answer for that therefore it must be supernatural! Um scientists are not idiots like you. I use the term 'idiot' regarding your ridiculous pathetic belief in your filth mythical God. Believing in a blood-sacrifice morbid death belief of a fearful mythical God, is > NOT fuckin love, its DELUSIONAL. You simply need to be aware of this. Even if ALL of known science was wrong, that still does NOT mean therefore mythical God! Wake up idiot. You sound like a damn fool. Christianity is the embarrassment of the evolved human mind
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  3185. Thanks for your awkward reply of immense nonsense. I'm unsure if I should do line by line or just do a big boom as you did? I mean whatever I do, I need to step outside the norm otherwise you'll continue to sprout your nonsense thus hurting children through your constant lies. I'll be brief, and in order. There was no 'sacrifice'! This supposed man was a CRIMINAL. He was punished for his Mosaic crimes against the people. What did you think? Did you think your Jesus elected to 'sacrifice' himself in an elaborate plan of: Break Mosaic laws > Hide until someone points him out > Get caught and trialed > Finally get capital punishment > die in immense pain > What a plan! Um, no. Plus why even be a criminal? Its NOT 'godly' to break laws. I don't believe in Jesus sins nor Christian hell. So that's your paragraph 2 over. Oh and it seems 3. Wait is there any evidence coming for this outrageous claims? I'm reading on. We are talking about biblical supposed 'evidence' (Christian 'proofs') right? Not historical evidence that you can even find in the books of Harry Potter! Why would you mention this historical evidence? Was Harry Potter real because London exists??? Strange thing you mentioned about 'historical evidence'. WE are talking about BIBLICAL scripture, not if rain is real or places exist!!!! I say all theists (ie deluded Christians) are delusional, because even when shown good reason and evidence to the contrary of their absurd beliefs they continue to believe in their nonsense! Thus this is defined as delusional. The universe started from the Big Bang. That's the best and only understood beginning of the universe. You are really concerning me now because I have a feeling you're a CREATIONIST! OMMG that would be funny :) We evolved > this is a known fact We give ourselves purpose. Right that paragraph is over now, next. Atheism is not a belief system! (must be your first time speaking with an atheist, wow you are going to be shocked, especially getting me, because I KNOW all Christian fallacies and now I utilize all this knowledge to show how they are wrong. The rest of that 2nd last paragraph was assuming that atheism is a belief system. Maybe re-write properly and also don't forget to thank me for informing you of reality. Oh Pascal's Wager. You basically stated you better be scared enough to believe in nonsense otherwise its going to get really bad for me in Christian hell. Wow you've never heard about this? Seriously no one has ever helped you understand that Pascal's Wager has been FULLY debunked? I'll reply in a unique way in case you have heard about it before (and still believe in nonsense!!). We don't use fears or any emotion to confirm what is true or false. Do you use emotions to confirm your reality? Your Jesus is such filth :) Sometimes I think if I spit in his eye he will be able to see again, do you think that would be immoral of me?
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  3186. Here we go again. "Jesus could have called on a legion of angles and be rescued at any time though He did not. Because of that, Jesus willingly scarified Himself." OR, he merely could have not committed any crimes against the people. We call crimes 'against the people', as the crimes were there to protect others and/or for the Romans to keep control in that superstitious era. A BETTER option by any 'wise' man, would have been to merely write a letter to (or approach) the Romans, that stated such words as: Guys these Mosaic crimes of blasphemy and people forming religious cults (as Christianity was originally labelled). Are TOO difficult to govern, since we cannot know the twisted beliefs in minds of men. I put it to you that these crimes will not last and should be thrown out. BUT instead he decided to just go out and commit these crimes? Not even 'wise' people today do such a thing, we DISCUSS them as civilized society members. Obviously your Jesus was either NOT wise, or he had no idea that in the very near future they would abandon all these old Mosaic laws. If only he knew better. " I rather not use the Bible for the very case that you presented: .... Give me a defeater through philosophy so that I can reason with you more philosophically." Then you need to keep on ONE single track. Either philosophy or known science or the absence of biblical evidence of the claims of this supernatural entity. I'd only be too happy to speak of historical evidence or even this legendary history in general; OR merely outdated scripture, you decide. But what atheists are usually presented with is multiple paragraphs of changing the goal post again and again. ie Its NOT the norm to have a deluded theist stay on topic! Possibly this may shock you? Not me, I'm use to it. " I find it hard to believe that you’ve debated other theist because even secular historians will back me up on the historical accuracy of Jesus and his supposed resurrection." Yep I have even on THAT point ;) Your 'secular historians' tend to be in MANY other vids online, us atheists end up going through them: He's a theist; that's a bishop; he's the one that wrote the report! That's another theist; etc etc etc etc. I mean its not difficult of me to address each and every name you provide, as the Internet is INSTANT knowledge! Be perfectly clear: No secular historian has stated they KNOW 100% that a man called Jesus (with emphasis on the common name Jesus being crucified) FLEW up to mythical heaven! I mean that does break the law of gravity right? (and about 3 or 4 other natural laws). Did a 'man' called 'Jesus' get crucified once? I'd say its 50/50 (actually more like 20/80 at that particular time). Most atheists will ALLOW that this happened for arguments sake. But NOT the supernatural nonsense!! "I am a creationist. The Big Bang has never been proven...." Yes I'm fully aware you are a Creationist. By the way how do you feel about those 50% of Christians who are NOT Creationists? Are they going to Christian Hell? Lol It is Creationists who have the longest biggest debates with (ME really) other atheists out there. The Creationists at least are prepared to go along with Moses 10 commandments and then Jesus cursing a tree in the next book! Therefore atheists tend to have a field day on them! NOTE: I'm not going to discuss KNOWN science, like the fact of evolution or the best understanding of the beginning of our universe (The Big Bang) with you. Nor DNA or Genes, or micro/macro or the Sun wobbling! Or pyramids or ANYTHING that science has now helped us fully understand. Because... Even if ALL of science was totally wrong, that STILL does not mean 'therefore God'. Because you NEED sufficient evidence and good reason for that. NOT arguments from ignorance!. .... Well if science is wrong therefore my mythical God <<< NO. As that's called an argument from IGNORANCE! Maybe you still feel Thor sends lightning down when he's angry? As that was an argument from ignorance too. I'm right into all Cosmology and all the theist brought up sciences. NONE of which will help you lose your delusions for Creationism. THAT's how I'm different ;) I work on feelings and being direct. Until YOU can begin to reason effectively again (you know past the age of 7 area). " I could believe in God and not affiliate my self with any religions nor take any steps that could go along with believing in God." Again common, no shock there. Can't wait for your 'label' that's in the 0.01% of the population. I'm not looking it up but I KNOW your label, its this multi-word twisted confusion that NO one clearly understands, except YOU of course. Been speaking with those Creationists as well. Here's a hint, well over 10 years speaking online with theists, generally daily! Oh and I dispute that atheists are some type of (reverse?) 'believers'. Are you a believer in no fairies existing? What about a believer in no Thor existing? Geez there's 10,000 mythical Gods (and 6,000 more if you add in all their contradictory doctrines) you BELIEVE in all those non Gods? No wonder you're a Creationist :D "I did not try to evoke an emotion of..." I'm NOT doing known factual empiracle science with you! It won't help you. The 'Jesus' sins and Christian Hell religion is ABOUT: Fearing their mythical, morbid, death praising, monster God! Even 99.9% of ALL Christians would agree with that (sometimes slightly reworded). They believe due to their gullible faith (synonymous wording) and FEARS and 'love in their heart (muscle)' and other such ridiculous personal experiences and dreams. NOT because of science!
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  3187. Thanks Thorm about informing me that your Jesus was white. I have a lot of talks with dark colored skin theists and I'll quote you here. I mean obviously all those black men are going to Christian hell by spreading their lies that Jesus was black, and I'll be sure to let them know. Some report 'personal experience' in 'seeing' their 'creator', finally we have Christian proof they have all been lying. And this proof has come from another deluded Christian, so it obviously holds a lot of weight. Tyler the Greek Gods have not been proven false! What about all the [resent day believed in Gods are they false too? All these Gods and fairies and unicorns are called non-falsifiable, because for your God for instance, we haven't actually checked the scum of every bucket in the world; maybe he's hiding in there? You seem to constantly take offense of my claimed 'ad homenim attacks'? I am merely stating the absurdness of your particular morbid death God of fear and horrors. I mean its quite clear that Christian beliefs are our punching bags, due to the ridiculous shameful beliefs they have. THIS is more likely. If you cannot even admit any evidence that your Jesus did miracles or supernatural stuff (other than quoting the Quar'an I mean, the Christian Bible). Then there's your mistake. As there is NO evidence of anything supernatural other than a historical claim of a superstitious time. What evidence have you got that he was supernatural? Please relay the specific Bible scripture, was it that out of season fruit tree? Coming with a sword? Upholding Moses laws? Which one? The probability of your horror God existing is ZERO, or the same probability of any other God claim. Yes Christianity is the embarrassment of the evolved human mind. I can legally blaspheme all day, because 1. Its NOT illegal in most western societies. 2. Because making fun of nonsense is a way in dealing with claims such as alien abductions and anal probing! Except those claims at least are recent and we CAN speak to the supposed witnesses. Your plagiarized ridiculous Christian story of virgin births and a man flying UP, is extraordinary ridiculous, and makes you look like an idiot. You just need to be aware of this.
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  3188. YES your 2nd last paragraph weighs heavily on delusion, for at least the reason that NO scientist or even a reasoning person would EVER say we came from nothing! As you would need EVIDENCE to support any claim (especially regarding our Cosmos) you can't just make shit up. And then you went on about order and then leapt to your God! ... Yes that's delusional of you (I make this claim). I'm not answering BASIC questions on the best known understanding of the beginning of the universe (The Big Bang). Because there's a more pressing concern with your reply. "What do you find so morbid about God? What is so shameful about Christianity? " You are joking right? Christians who can't wait to die, the fact that they believe and say their belief is based upon love in their heart muscle or fears or dreams! Look the LIST of horrors of Christianity is so long, I'll just say I don't like how they lie to children. And IF (extremely hypothetically) 'to say you might be right' or look at your point of view, or whatever you said. Then that would be a lucky guess, actually it would be VERY deceitful to say, YOU believe for no damn good reason whatsoever and IF you are right that shows how good you were - NO IT DOESN'T. It shows that gullibility and poor reasoning skills can sometimes get it right out of sheer dumb luck! What if the Scientologist God is right? I mean its unfalsifiable, just like your (supposed) God. IF a space-ship actually comes and picks up all the Scientologists one day, does that mean you should believe in it right now? What's that, no? That's right, we believe WHEN we confirm the good reason or sufficient evidence FIRST. If the Scientologist space-ship comes, that would be a good time to think there may be something to it, before then > NO. What is shameful about Christianity? Their gullible, weak-minded; delusions of their Jesus filth of course. You being a Creationist is even MORE deluded, I'm holding back asking if you think the world is flat too! You realize that's your next step into further delusion right? Here I'll provide the decent to nonsense. Start at agnostic theist > deism > theist > creationist > flat Earth creationist. You're ONE step off total mind fuk. Creationists are like that dinosaur and caveman 'museum' (created by deluded theists) in the U.S., that's how warped their mind is. There is TOO much to mention how it is shameful of you, I do have a line I got pretty damn perfect, let me know ;) Christianity is the embarrassment of the evolved human mind. "they always start with something without explaining how that something got there." Theism: Guessing answers because otherwise they'll have to admit their God belief is idiotic. NO I'm not answering what you said, and you know why, its TOO damn simple.
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  3189. I'm reading each paragraph then responding to (the point of) it. "The apostle Paul did say to dies is to gain" Yes that's one of those things that (active online) atheists feel is the sad repercussions of believing without a good reason. (I had forgotten to mention one of the worst things in theism are the effects of it, so I'm now going down that path). When you think of a tree, or cancer cells or insects, or even a bird or say a cat or any other species other than a human. You are all ok with the fact (that science shows us) that when they die their body AND brain (not plants but anyway) STOP. Similarly science (biologists, neurologists etc that area) inform us that now we understand evolution is an overly confirmed fact, that OUR human brain is like an advanced (more intelligent) processing brain than say a monkey. Our human brain holds those neurons of all our knowledge and even memories. We confirm this because people who have had brain trauma(or brain disease seen commonly in older humans) and survived, may even FORGET who their family members are, or their faces and even who they love and what they believe in! Our body is the vessel that holds our brain, either one cannot survive without the other. Upon death (well we'll say many minutes after, or officially at 'brain dead' stage). ALL those memories, beliefs, loves, experiences, you name it STOP. They do not hold these feelings or memories in some type of 'gain' in another life! Do cancer cells have another life where they feed off a live human for eternity? Where are the ghost dinosaurs, I mean they are HUGE and roamed the Earth, yet NO one sees ghost dinosaurs! Where are all those cats, or trees, are cats remembering the 'loving' times they had with love ones, will a cat finally see their parents they were taken away from at 6 weeks? No? Then this next life scenario seems: 1. VERY selfish (when looking at all other life species including our extinct ape-like predecessors, who DON'T have a 2nd life according to your beliefs!) 2. It seems as though it is a fairytale answer to fearing death, I mean science informs us we completely STOP existing (obviously our body erodes away and scatters). 3. Your beliefs seem to have escalated this death 'fear' and not prepared you and given you understanding of how to cope within reality. Wow, paragraph 2, I better read now :) Oh I agree, I find the religious moral system to be anti-moral. Off the top of my head would be: A man is dying and requires a defibrillator. One exists in the shop right next to you, but its closed. A Christian would say its immoral to steal, but good will (you know REAL morals) inform us that its actually MORE moral of you to steal the defibrillator and help the victim. Anyway morals are around 20 posts long. Its just the good will onto others, no added mythical God required. Plus we see the 'morals' of Christianity are in fact immoral (like that stealing example I gave). Oh we call 'flat Earthers' Christian, because they either or both: Believe in the Christian Jesus and feel they were born in Jesus sins! You have already announced your Jesus beliefs um THAT's Christianity (and I agree I wouldn't want to be associated with Christianity either, try your best to get to deism, after that its not too difficult to be able to reason effectively again to atheist :) OH, because you 'think' that the Big Bang also means 'Origins'. No it doesn't. So that's why you have been confused by other atheists. I'm straight out, I'll tell you what's known and what's not. The Big bang is the beginning of the known universe, but its origins? Who knows, maybe we'll know when we find a cure to the common cold (seems to be just as difficult :) ). The point is, 'not knowing' does not mean 'therefore MY God'. Because you MUST have good reason (not anti-science by the way ;) ) and sufficient evidence (Not the Qur'an ;) OH or the Bible). to then believe in it. IF your beliefs (or even if I had any) are NOT based upon good reason or sufficient evidence, they that is called GULLIBLE, naive, weak-minded, deluded or indoctrinated (each have their own distinct meanings obviously). Please ask questions so as I can help you. I have spent DAYS (you know 1000's of hours) with creationists, I already know your side.
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  3261.  @mindblowing7255  I must go to work now, that's right we are opposites. Anyway briefly: Love thy (? strange word sounds oldish) enemy. Is actually a BAD idea. We DON'T love our enemies!! And if we did we'd be insane. Buddhism? Lol, their mythical hell is about your limbs been torn off. Such crazy people. The old testament is OUT? Hooray, I never liked those 10 commandments and a new king is coming, I mean who'd believe in THAT nonsense. Oh and Adam and Eve RUBBISH, you must admit the Genesis story is LUDICROUS. In your own words this is completely NOT IN USE anymore. So YOU agree with me when Pell speaks of his anti-evolution stance that he is saying words: Not in use anymore? That's strange this Catholic believes this then? VERY odd indeed. Well at least their Jesus finally came and said that OLD testament thingy - completely FALSE. (I can't find that in the Bible though? He DOES say he UPHOLDS the old testament, must be a re-interpret thingy ;) ) Your 2nd paragraph completely forgot how Christians DO kill others. I mean even some of these witnesses from decades ago mysteriously suicided when the events and their friends said this is OUT OF NORMAL and doesn't make sense. Edit// Christianity has killed more people over their entire span than any other religion. The fact is Islam came from the SAME Arab deserts of superstitious desert Arabs who were looking at the stars (with eyes only). Their limited understanding and need to answer questions caused these absurd claims to come about. I agree there's is violence towards women. I specifically stated there's is the religion of war, and I have had lengthy conversations with Imams regarding smite off their necks and beating women with 'a tiny little stick' LOL But religion of War and religion of death are really no better or worse than each other. They are BOTH (including Buddhism) based on ZERO evidence and ZERO good reason. Ironically ALL evidence points AWAY from their absurd beliefs.
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  3285. Electrical engineers will loom their wiring in such a meticulous fashion, that it resembles artwork. Instead of just running wires in the most cost effective simplest route, they will go around bends, up and down walls, perfectly loomed around any tiny obstacle that each of these bends and turns would take days or weeks to do say 10 feet of routing! Electrical engineers, especially Germany, loom and feed and align their wiring so perfectly, that people should actually view these looms when they can to see the remarkable detail places in each and every wire within a loom which travels all over the place in the most neatness and artistic (high cost) fashion. Once electrical engineers finally conclude this majestic perfectly placed and highly time consuming routing of their thousands of wires, which you can see at times if you stop and admire these works of art, they then fully cover up EVERYTHING behind ducts, plates, walls, really anything possible to not show the comprehensive perfectly layered and routed wired looms! Such that viewing these artforms only happens when a wall is removed or sporadically in places where you are able to see glimpses of these engineering marvels. So too do we find plumbing to be so intricate that they will spend days or weeks of work literally going around obstacles in their path, when you and I would just say: I want a pipe to go directly from here straight to there. No no, the plumber of pipes and air ducts etc, will spend countless hours with bends and twists of pipes going around the most insignificant of obstacles. No plumber or ducting, ever goes straight from here to there, even when it would be much more cheaper, easier and faster. Instead if you look at these pipes and ducting they will be placed in an intricate jigsaw of perfectly placed pipes and ducting, that it resembles some type of artists dream. The old original PC screensaver of how these pipes weave in and out all over the place but never overlapping, seems as though plumbers must have lost their mind. It resembles a masterpiece of modern art, and never a straight line from A to B. So then, how could these master engineers make such a mistake with their work, as this video suggests? There is only one way an expert professional electrical (especially in Germany) or air ducting could fault. And that's if they did it on purpose, so as the private company could bill the Federal government to do their work of art over and over again! And that's how they make their money, or become rich. Again, if you ever do look at these electrical looms, sometimes viewed in back corridors of shopping centers or airports or any large building. Stop and gaze at the vast amount of time an engineer has placed in the smallest of details. Its such a shame their work is generally always covered up for no one ever to see.
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  3310.  @amercanmade2685  Clearly being an active online atheist (along with my grown kids) I can inform you that outdated religious views are not comparable to modern known education. However, I will answer your point on how schools aren't the ones instilling better secular humanist moral systems into children (so called guiding children). Whilst I agree this shouldn't be the school who does this (ie some schools are Christian - so that would be wrong). The POINT was should girls be educated on safe sex at a young age? YES. I understand you are Christian with outdated views. But these aren't equal to what we now know of truth. Its not a personal choice, its what is now known as true, and clearly religion isn't it. You merely need to ask yourself why you believe. Its that easy. As for your kids and grandchildren being Christian! This disturbs me a lot. The fact of the matter Christian 'moral' system is far below standard. I expect you are more moral than your Bible, as you are presently not in prison. Currently there's no known evidence or reason to believe in such outdated nonsense. As an atheist I'm OPEN to this, but no personal story of morbid stuff is sufficient to believe in fairies let alone claimed Gods! IF faith can be used to believe in opposing things, then clearly faith is an unreliable method! Muslim believers use faith (arguably they have the strongest faith of them all as they dress, eat, shave you name it according to their faith). Their outdated Qur'an says: Jesus was NOT a Lord. So you believe them right? As THEY are using faith. OR do you now see faith is an unreliable method, so are emotions and guesses and personal stories! PLEASE try to break up your long posts! Its as if you don't want people to read it all the way through.
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  3438. A Christian, (and it seems some are in this very thread) is not a good thing. You can be a mass murderer, the most immoral person ever, constantly hurt everyone you meet, and still be a fully recognized Christian. This is the very essence of so many Christians in prison, as it does not matter if you follow ANY of their outdated commandments, as long as you: 1. Believe in the unsubstantiated claim of this Jesus monster. 2. Repent your Jesus sins. Incidentally claimed Jesus sins method was thrown out of society long ago, and replaced with the far superior secular laws method. ie One of many commandments is to have your insubordinate child stoned to death if they are drunken or something. Clearly no reasonable person would ever do this. We don't do ANY Bible commandment as we threw them all out long ago, remember? Nor do we do Qur'an commandments of hitting a wife who doesn't follow your 'man' orders! The so called Jesus sacrifice (ie rewarded prize, that anyone on death row facing capital punishment would love to do, to be Lord over everyone forever! ) was not required. 1. We replaced all Jesus sins without his help. Actually in spite of horrible religion. 2. Supposedly their claimed 'God' (the one that calls people unworthy! ) was the one who instilled these sins onto people in the first place! That would be like an abusive husband demanding: I'll stop hitting you if you love me! That's horrible. Since about 1950, we worked out we should not be involved in abusive relationships. So called loving the abuser who threatens you with fear or striking you down, or worse even threats of burning you!!! This is clearly an abusive relationship, it is the essence of what an abusive relationship is, except of course this is in the mind of believers. Trump uses Christianity in his persuasive talks, because he knows that Christians are clearly gullible to believe in such obvious outdated nonsense. Clearly the 'far right' conservative Christians believe Trumps lies. Its horrible really. But not as horrible as believing in this Jesus filth. No, I do not expect any Christian to read this far (nor obviously to instantly get over their ridiculous beliefs). But this must be said and answered in full, you don't need to be a 'good Christian', if anything it could be argued that Christians by definition cannot be good, as they are loving a monster who supposedly allows people to burn forever! Clearly you'd need to be a bit wacko to believe in such an abusive relationship ie indoctrinated to the hilt.
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  3455. Its frustrating reading all the ridiculous God or Lord or Jesus comments! Its like reading: The fairies and lepricauns will judge him one day, no they won't! Nor the claimed Prophet, Muhammad, Nor the claimed Prophet Jesus or any other absurd believed in God or supernatural. Whilst I get it that this may help some people (clearly mixed up) deal with a horrific situation, its the same as saying: Being crazy will help you feel better! NO loving Father would have watched on (during the shooting) with: Its their freewill personal choice. That's NOT love, that's negligence. Fathers, loving Fathers do not watch their children get gunned down and do nothing in their power to stop it, especially if they had the power to stop it! So you Christains or Jews or Islamics or Scientologists beliefs (and I emphasize I am speaking not of the people themselves, but their outdated absurd beliefs). Both Tinkerbell and your claimed God, are RIDICULOUS, and your comments do not help, they make a mockery of the seriousness of this reality. Whilst I suspect many children could be warped up into believing in an absurd God belief, I do not accept grown adults to have these outdated ridiculous shameful and embarrassing beliefs. You sound like twits. And if these families who had their own children shockingly killed whilst believing their supposed loving Father looked on doing nothing! Then that's twisted insane. Its horrible what happened in America (seemingly mass shootings are common there) but if anything comes from this (any positivity you could hope for) at least try to recover from this childish belief, which EVERYONE knows they have zero justification to believe in. God's not going to judge this guy after death, because that's ridiculous .
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  3475. LOL. Do you know why we use science? The scientific method? Its because its the best known reliable method to be on the path to reality. That's right its the best. IF there were a better method, then we'd immediately throw out science (so far no other better known method). Science uses evidence and reason (among other facts and statistics, investigations so forth) THE ABSOLUTE IRONY that if say your claimed God existed, then it too would use EVIDENCE you exist, and REASON to determine if you should go to the naughty corner or not. Not beliefs, wishes, hopes, love, prayers, OR faith! Lets say if your particular claimed God did not use evidence and reason, why then he could send reasoning atheists to the good place and gullible theists to the naughty place! THIS won't do at all. Therefore your claimed God must ALSO use the scientific method of Evidence & Reason. This basic point should be firstly clear to you, and secondly it should make you think (begin questioning your outdated method of a scary mean Father coming home). But we both know you won't suddenly click and say of course. Instead you'll hold on tighter to your ridiculous barbaric beliefs. And that's sad. I can help you if you like, but the main thing you must begin with is: You care for what is true or not. And this is doubtful of any theist such as you. CLEARLY no claimed God made the heavens (stars) for MAN! When we know humans have been here for about 150K years max, but life has been here for 3.5 billion years on Earth. Unless he made worms in his own image? As that would suit your argument better. Time to wake up.
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  3496.  @PrimalEater  "Yes I do think it’s fair" (Regarding your claimed God burning people because they might love their children more than this claimed God). Actually I will say thank you for being honest about your answer, which I already knew anyway, I just wanted you to say it. Clearly your beliefs are immoral of this 'monster' claimed God, but at least you stay true to that unfounded belief. I mean seriously I speak daily to Christians for decades now, and you might be either the 1st or 2nd to admit your belief straight out. But I had already explained to you (in question) that a person who creates a bridge cannot morally destroy the bridge whilst others are on it, thus killing them in pain, as that would be immoral. How is it that for examples as these you would agree its immoral, but in regards to your God doing it then its a free pass?? That doesn't make sense. You are admitting that your God can do no wrong even when he supposedly burns people for merely not loving him more than anyone else. Its not a good message though, you MUST agree with that? That your claimed God stating this is NOT good as a good lesson or anything, as WE (the human race) fully agree that its a monstrous act of course. I don't have hate in my heart! 1. Hearts do NOT hold emotions! 2. How could I hate people or claimed agencies I don't know? However I will say that I have the same anger towards your claimed God as I do to Lord Voldemort in Harry Potter. It is normal to feel this way to characters that are evil and not good, similar to your claimed God of course. My frustration or concern is: Why in the hell would you believe in such a sadistic and cruel claimed agency? It is clear that someone who KNOWS that its a monster who would do such a thing to their children BUT at the same time says: But its Ok if my God does it > Shows a very mixed up person. I hope you Recover From Religion soon, as your beliefs have made you sound embarrassingly shameful and immoral NOT a good fairness thing at all.
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  3502. I think these last few years are showing the beginning of the demise of America. History shows us that every single superpower eventually falls. I'm quite sure the Romans never thought their system could fall but it did. Time and time again inevitably all superpowers fall to lesser than all other nations. China has a keen eye on world politics, and is the (horrible) next favorite in line. Lets hope that doesn't happen as cruelty to the public is not nice, nor working 7 days a week and living at your workplace! There are other contenders as well, all with their own opinion on where the world should head towards. America with its high outdated religous beliefs, alongside Presidents that are unqualified but voted in on popularity (I don't mean democratically, but more backward public opinion) doesn't seem like a nation that will last much longer. There's only so many lies and conspiracy theories before people wake up to reality. Trump during Presidency and clearly after, has dropped the respect for America in leadership. The rest of the world laughed at his clown shows, until they became serious, and now its just a sick joke. Its not just Trump, its your majority nonsense Christain beliefs! Its how your police and Sheriffs have personal laws (?). Its the fact that America has the highest amount of population percentage in jail. Its your new Supreme court Judges taking rights away from women (unheard of in any other civilized country. Its the fact that America is the land of the fear. I suspect every common American has some type of conspiracy theory belief. And allowing people under 25 to own assault guns (really any age, but lets face it, middle age adults aren't shooting up schools). Americans may not know this but: Every single civilized country (bar America) do not have armed security gaurds at schools, or metal detectors! Since no one shoots up schools!!! (bar America, and some other extreme non democratic religious fanatical countries elsewhere). To tell you the truth I have no idea why America is not burning claimed evil wicked witches (innocent women) every Sunday in town square! Its directly headed in that direction. America has lost a lot of world respect, and Trump has been a huge influence on that. You look like a laughing stock except its serious. Oh the shame.
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  3507. Just be aware that atheism is lower case 'a' within a sentence, so is theism. Since theists (Christians, Muslims; Jews; Scientologists; Hindus etc x about 10,000 different religions!) are usually indoctrinated they will automatically think that atheists are bad people. Note atheist just means we don't believe in any Gods as there is still no evidence or good reason to believe in any. Obviously a God may still be true, so could leprechauns and fairies and wizards, its just that there's no evidence of these things. There are MANY debates that theists have lost ALL of them, every single one. I know this as I have debated all of them over and over, possibly thousands of times by now. These days I am actually helping younger children know that scary monsters are not real and no mythical God is watching them. Discussing atheism with deluded theists can even be done by 10 year olds, it is not difficult to learn all their fallacies (faulty reasoning) of deluded God believers. Personally many children cannot announce they are atheist in their own family because believers in these myths actually place their love for their mythical God above their own family members! And sometimes this can cause say Christians to push their children away. The easiest way to bring it up is by saying, I have a friend I know who is atheist, what do you think about that? This will help you to know their reactions beforehand. I am such a realist and strong minded person regarding truth, reality and common sense or acquired knowledge, that I tend NOT to mix words or go around about things. So the best way (in my view) is direct. Again as long as you feel comfortable they won't just throw you out or something silly. We believe in things when there is evidence or a good reason to believe. Otherwise it is classed as gullible; naive; weak minded and delusional. I'm not aware of any positive words for believing in nonsense mythical Gods, basically even a small amount of Christian poison is still not good for you. Ask any question, I'll eventually answer directly. It just so happens I was available right now. But about to sign off from YouTube, very lucky :)
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  3522.  @pacotaco5526  Whilst I don't expect anyone too far away from any horrible scenario to be able to get involved. I do happen to see that on EVERY horrific news report especially when death is involved, Christains swamping the threads everywhere! You won't find them on news reports of family enjoys happy day at the beach and discovers a gold coin. NOPE, you'll only find them in morbid fascinations of death or horror (clearly that's what their God must attract to as well). This disgusting vulture type display of their clearly depressive beliefs. No doubt caused through the church instructing them they were born faulty and commanded to get better. Should not be put up with by our modern world. I would prefer country leaders themselves ordering Christains to stop with their nonsense beliefs (similar to how we laughed out of society claimed alien abductions anal probing testimonies). Yet these leaders also seem to be indoctrinated with religous nonsense as well. Are claimed Gods real? I'm concerned with their beliefs. Clearly the lack of evidence and minimal amount of reasoning, should not warrant a belief. MAYBE a God is true, but we withold belief on EVERYTHING until the level of belief has been met, clearly not as yet with theists (Christains etc) worldwide. Can't I believe in a 6 foot invisible rabbit, or say one of these monster claimed Gods? We all have beliefs that are likely untrue. The idea is to believe in as many true things as possible, and as few false things. Beliefs can and obviously do cause our actions. False or unreasonable beliefs can and do cause bad actions of others. This is why there's always some religous school, individual or nutter in the news where religion was the catalyst and an unreasonable belief caused a horrific action. Beliefs themselves aren't bad on their own in a closet. But religous beliefs do effect society, and enough is enough, its time to inform them their beliefs are ridiculous and uncalled for. False hope is not a good thing. Its up to all of us to stamp out religion. Worldwide. UNLESS one single person ANYWHERE provides a reason to warrant that belief. So far NOT DONE. I'm aware many Christains have been instructed its faith or trees, or love etc what the fuk responses! They constantly are informed by myself and others through long replies these are UNRELIABLE methods to determine the truth of any claim. Clearly the deceiving churchs (all of them) have a lot to answer for. And that's where I come in to help guide them with this clearly new to them basic knowledge. Thanks for your question. I understand that professional speakers have said this far greater in the past. Lets help rid the world of this horror of religion and ridiculous beliefs. Other than the Qur'an, no evidence a man flew away on a winged horse (incidentally they BELIEVE their claimed God broke the Moon in 1/2 and their claimed Prophet received all this knowledge alone in a cave! Other than the Bible, NO EVIDENCE a criminal after being forced to have capital punishment ( he had to be pointed out in the crowd, an unwilling participant for his crimes) FLEW away 2 and 1/2 days later (incidentally they believe their claimed God was originally on top of mountains in the clouds, and a LONE single claimed Prophet supposedly received all this information). Wow, time to throw out this absurd nonsense of highly superstitious and highly ignorant people thousands of years ago, even before the Dark Ages began (hence why the Jesus charachter didn't have a magic wand).
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  3533.  @marmadukecarruthers8751  How much (legal) evidence do you fools need? Are we to wait years for Pell to finally come to trial and subsequently be found GUILTY beyond reasonable doubt, and NOW you want us to wait more likely years for me to say I told you so! What would happen under appeal (or if the appeal is thrown out, since I see no extra evidence involved) if it is found he is STILL guilty? Would you continue in your fantasy world of how can a Catholic Priest (Cardinal in this case) do such a thing? At what stage would you finally accept the law? Never? Your opinions on this wonderful matter of true justice of getting basically the top dog of Catholicism in prison, is going to be referenced for years to come as an example of how their lies and child abuse is rampart all the way to the top. This is history in the making, first the Cardinal then the Pope and the entire Catholic church will fall. With over-population looming on us in less than a 100 years, do you honestly think the Catholic institution can continue having large buildings scattered throughout cities vacant all night long? Their immoral and injustice has been known for decades, and finally we have a wonderful case to refer to and all of a sudden YOU people come out with laws are corrupt nonsense. The irony that that's even Pell's defense NOT that he's innocent but the proceedings was somehow faulty! This is a time to remember and celebrate for ALL victims of the Catholic dynasty. We have kicked them where it hurts and now all the cry-babies are coming out. You merely need to ACCEPT that this is a time for victims of Catholicism to celebrate in masses. Catholicism is a corrupt system of deceit LIES and hate. And now is the time to celebrate their demise, not argue about legal systems and justice for all.
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  3588. Being in financial hardship (myself). I've been able to speak with bus drivers at times. Anyway, I think this may be an opportunity to address a few concerns I've noticed. Bus drivers aren't educated type individuals. Think of them as your common truck driver (not trying to be too offensive to those crazy cursing people over the UHF all the time). But they aren't how should we say, they aren't at an average community level, in anything! I mean when you think about it, who's going to be a bus driver? Its the unemployed (mostly with fabricated 'bus' licences). One bus driver I knew had on his licence: 'Not to drive a bus'. (I had no idea they could even write that on licences). I asked this old (old) guy, why are you driving a bus if your ACTUAL LICENCE says: Cannot drive a bus? He said: Well I have a truck licence so I use that, and police let me off. I said: Yeah but your passengers think you are a BUS driver, not a truck driver! You are misleading them and endangering them! Anyway, that guy seemed to have no shifts (no bus driving work). But he had been driving buses earlier! Other 'bus drivers' seem to be of the, well lets just say: Government housing with mental conditions and homes of filth. THESE are the things you find out when you are living in those types of environments yourself ie The general community are clearly not aware of this. From what I have discovered: ALL bus drivers have some issue, usually critical condition. Been in jail; alcoholics; druggies; mostly aggressive people - must be some type of correlation with bus driving? Since its ALL of them, then exactly how do you complain on every single bus driver ever? Clearly its a culture or line of business or just how reality is. BE FULLY AWARE, bus drivers are not trustworthy type people. When they joke with you, they actually are simple minded dimwits. Bus drivers are particular breed, its just a fact. I drive a car (although older), because its safer!
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  3635. @CJ Barnes Um 'fetus' CJ. Cj, I can help you recover from religion. I have been doing this for well over a decade now. I understand your beliefs are not based upon any evidence whatsoever or any good reason at all. Feelings, dreams, and morbid death experience stories in the family, are not good reasons to believe in fairies let alone claimed Gods! It is better being in reality CJ. You immediately lose any abortion debate nonsense, or natural gay being an abomination in your mind + You do not live in unfounded fears or misguided love anymore. Its NOT about arguing things you have been mislead to believe in church ie There are NO evil babies growing to be evil adults! There are only bad actions of others. You cannot chant out or pray away (ill -informed guesses) evil spirits. As that's actually insane! Psychology now informs us that there are a number of ways of people to stop their bad actions. NONE of which involve praying or chanting 2000 year old scriptures. Did you know that when the Bible was written (say the 2nd testament for convenience). This was in a highly superstitious and ignorant era in the Arab deserts. Those people did NOT even know the world was round (hence why you get flat Earth creationist Christians too). We have bettered our now modern understanding of well everything. For instance, a claimed virgin birth we can now get a photo fit of the Father who abandoned the pregnant woman of a fetus (your claimed Jesus criminal). Through DNA syncing. I expect your Jesus had DNA from both parents right? How you begin to recover is by asking ANY question at all. I bet you don't even know what an atheist is. You could ask that, or anything. But don't just sprout out nonsense to me because 1. I've heard them all before and 2. It merely makes you sound shameful. Although I do blame the church for that. TRY not to be willfully ignorant CJ. I realize you have been indoctrinated not to learn. But now is your chance (or any theist here) I'm extremely confident and know every Christian (well theist) fallacy. Just ask me questions whilst I'm here. Maybe you want to know my thoughts on Jesus sins and Christian hell? Or maybe you want to know about cause or morals or life or even death. Do you find it strange that your claimed Jesus will NEVER turn up on a sunny day whilst you sip tequila sunrises on the beach with the kids playing? Nope that's not even an option isn't it? Your Jesus claim is about gray days (or nights) of morbid death and iron gates with graves inside the church gates! I understand you are effected by this horrid depressive morbid state. Thus here's your chance to recover from religion, you could even be a spokesperson for reality and humanitarian rational mindedness, its a big area these days. No more end times (except in about 4 billion years, but Cosmology is my 2nd main interest after helping deluded theists).
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  3687.  @RealTaIk  Oh thanks for the reply. Now I'm decades in conversing with all sorts of Christians. From 6,000 Earth creationists, to the most liberal ones agreeing with evolution and supposedly loving everyone, and everything in between. For instance your personal interpretation. Put it this way, 99% of all Christians have their own interpretation, or follow their small denomination interpretation. Personal interpretation is the most common term of them all. Thankfully we now know there's only 1 truth, not multiple opposing truths. So the ones that believe in say Genesis of the Bible for each day being 1000 years or 1 million years, clearly they are different to the ones who say Genesis is not meant to be taken literally, (irrespective of what a day is defined as). To those Christians who have personal interpretation of a whole range of differences (men rode dinosaurs all the way to how we now understand evolution of all life species) Clearly they all can't be right, but they all can be wrong. It comes down to: How do we determine what's true or not? (thankfully we now have the best method to determine this). We determine the truth of reality, not through: Guesses; Wishes; Intuition; Emotions; Feelings; Stories (!) nor Personal Interpretations! Plus we fully know that faith is an unreliable method as well (worse than guesses, as guesses usually have some reason for them). We know faith (and the rest of those stated) is an unreliable method, even if you like it or not. Because of the vast amount of contradictory faiths out there. Christians say Jesus is Lord. Catholics say its not Jesus, its the entire trinity!! Muslims say: Jesus was not Lord, but merely a Prophet man. Jews say no Lord or God has even come yet. Hindus say a whole different story. Scientologists say it was a spaceship God Mormons (known as the most unreliable religous belief) say it was actually an American LOL And so on and so on for 10,000 all contradictory religous faiths. Clearly faith is an unreliable method. So what of this known best most reliable method then? Its: Evidence & Reason, the very thing none of these personal or doctrinal religous use. The irony that all these claimed Gods (with no evidence of course) must use evidence you exist and reason to determine your worthiness NOT faith! So even a God doesn't use faith. When asking thousands, 10's of thousands of God believers their reason to believe (or evidence!) we are supplied with non stop fallacies. So far not 1 Christian (or Muslim with their claimed Holy Qur'an etc etc etc) has ever supplied the slightest of worthy reason to believe. Like none. You'd think may 1 Christian somewhere? But no, not one. Oh we get a lot of personal 'stories' etc. But none of them prove even fairies could be true, let alone a God. As you require evidence of a thing, such as a God thing before believing it of course. And fear or love or even beliefs, personal or not, obviously aren't worthy to believe in magic dust let alone claimed Gods. On the contrary, every single Christian testimony; personal story even claimed prophesy! Can be fully explained by a simple natural explanation. All of them! For instance if I asked you why you did or do believe? I'm sure we could work out what's more likely, and its never magic or a supernatural cause, nor even the blue fairy did it.
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  3695. @Valiant Woman I put appeal in quotes because I was quoting the title (well that part of the title) of this vid. Plus I felt the word appeal in this case was paramount because he had already been confirmed guilty in court, and this was an appeal proceedings. It seems the appeal was allowed to continue, but the appeal was lost by George Pell. I replied with some emotion (or abuse I suppose) because this is the time to celebrate the outcome, by all victims of Catholicism (not me) and those who support the victims (me). The countless previous posts; threads; topics on 'Pell is innocent' (quoting the past general words of many or nearly every Catholic) was found to be false. Pell is certainly guilty, and at the time of posting this was the same day as this court result. The possibility you speak of is open to every single matter everywhere. We can only go by the evidence presented. In this case the evidence confirms his guilt. Please note: He is a criminal in jail as a prisoner for his crimes of abusing children. Even the judges quote of: 'The witness was not a liar or fantasist', was provided as respect and acknowledgement to the victims, whilst also stating that Pell is a liar.  Your lack of not accepting the outcome is generally based upon your religious beliefs, which have nothing to do with the matter at all. We only see where Catholic religious individuals organizations and even schools are concerned, that they claim he is still innocent! All other people, including the real law itself, and clearly the witness truth statements, show he is guilty. The actual sexually abused child in this matter (obviously a grown man now). Has recently become a father for the first time. Do you honestly think this person would be beginning his newborn's life with Daddy lying in public? It is clear the witness was telling the truth and gained nothing by lying. It is clear Pell was lying and would lose everything if the truth was found out. Humanity and truth won.
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  3696. @Valiant Woman "conviction of Pell does not mean it's ok for people to disrespect me" I disrespect people's unreasonable and absurd beliefs. Similarly YOU do not respect the Christian doctrine of the KKK. Are you therefore disrespecting those people? No? So now you understand, we respect people but we do not automatically respect their deluded beliefs in utter nonsense (for instance the Jesus filth belief). Regarding not using quotes as it seemed as though I was disrespecting the right to appeal, ok I see that. I agree. I fully dispute your 2nd post. THIS actual matter is perfectly in line with the history of the Catholic church. It remains MORE likely that Pell had more to lose by stating the truth, whereas the victim, if his case had lost (which was originally highly likely) would seem to be a waste of time and a lot of stress over years to be seen as not remembering too well! No, it is most likely (and even as per the judge) he was NOT fantasizing and not lying. Last reply, YES being in a church definitely means that you will likely sway towards the Cardinal's innocence. Note: HE is CONFIRMED guilty, and will be in prison for likely his entire term, for this to turn around now defies logic AND law! We confirm this by the religious still respecting Pell in Catholic university, in church, and even through the Vatican. They ALL place his confirmed conviction of now a serious criminal, as innocent!! And this is outrageous. LAST POINT: Edit actually exists in posts to add/remove content. Multiple posts all in a row is found to be common whenever I converse with the deluded (theists). I have concluded they are either subconsciously or worse, consciously trying to upset the flow of a thread to somehow avoid further replies. Basically they a psychological mess. EDIT// Do you know the abused witness, decided upon going to the police when he stood at his friend's grave (who he stated truthfully had been sexually abused by Pell. So now we have a new Daddy who you think is starting his child's life with daddy lying! Plus this person would make up a story over his deceased friend's grave! The irony that this person still believes in a mythical God is irritating, but is he telling lies? UNLIKELY. Plus the EVIDENCE showed Pell was guilty multiple times! On the day after this win to humanity and all victims of Catholic abuse to children, how dare you.
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  3697. @Valiant Woman "I'm Catholic,.." BINGO. Really? What a shock. How many others matters have never gone to the High Court after they were confirmed child sexual abusers? Without looking it up, I'd guess >> NONE. Your Cardinal has been showed in the Supreme court as a child abuser, and as stated will likely spend his entire term there. As a point of interest, any Parole Board will not look favorably on someone who wastes the court's time. As stated he will be kept in prison for as long as legally possible (up to 6 years). I am extremely confident (as I was about this wasted appeal), that any High Court will uphold the decision of the Supreme court. Should I reply back in 5 years and demand an apology from you? Or will his likely death keep you defending him? (I suspect the Catholic ministry will somehow kill him, likely poison since they are so medieval, before any High court decision, thus allowing the: Well he never had his time in court, excuse). If you are a woman and Catholic YES you are deluded, you actually believe you are 2nd to man! Talk about shameful. Good luck recovering from religion. Its a matter of asking questions to build your poor reasoning up again. I'm happy to answer any question you have, since I know EVERY theist fallacy. Wait you do realize there's zero evidence of an Arab who deserted his children (his followers) to become a capital punishment criminal, and all this in an era of high ignorance and high superstition right? Dreams of horror monsters and death experiences in your family, are NOT good reasons to believe in talking goldfish, let alone mythical Gods! What's your 'proofs'? Look at the trees? Lol
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  3698. @Valiant Woman The fact you believe in a mythical God, yes you should try to begin to reason effectively again. Although this would be a separate matter to what we are discussing here. I wonder if you'd be calling anyone else innocent after they had used more money in their defense than anyone else ever, and to be clear >> lost, and was found guilty of child sexual abuse! No, I'm positive your bias is not due to a person has the right to every legal option, you would be honestly agreeing they were guilty (since this is the result anyway). Although I do find any religious belief absolutely nonsense, for good reason one being there is zero sufficient evidence for any claimed God, and the Catholic trinity being (lets face it) the worst of all religions, especially towards women. My ongoing support and trust in the court system (oh and science) is what determines this pedo Catholic is most certainly tried and confirmed unanimously guilty. The single judge in the appeal was not about to let Pell go free (as you are aware they don't trial for innocence). I suspect he wanted to do yet another waste of tax payer court hearing; thankfully that's not happening. Yes I could educate you. Presently you believe in a ridiculous mythical God! It makes you sound shameful and the embarrassment to the modern evolved human mind. I do not think you are worth less than man, nor do I think you were born faulty, as no baby is. No doubt your parents caused this horror onto you, although they were likely just as deluded (as you), the point is they have mislead you to believe in absurd nonsense.
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  3702. @Valiant Woman But you believe the abused boy was sexually abused on multiple separate occasions right? You just don't believe it was Pell? That's what you are believing right? So in your mind there is a Catholic Priest out there who has been lying to everyone, and remains a child sexual abuser? Have you spoken to ALL the clergy who were there at those same times when the abuse happened? (its not merely alleged now, as a conviction of guilt has already passed). Which Priest wearing robes do you think it was? Could have it been multiple priests? All under the leadership of Pell who controlled the entire church, and was co-incidentally there at the time but had no idea what was happening in his sacristy. I mean this other Priest could still be giving sermons today where children are present! You could put out a warning. YOU believe it wasn't Pell, therefore it must have been another Priest at the time. Therefore under your own admission and beliefs, you should hopefully advise all the church goers to stop going to church until we locate this person that you believe did it. I mean that's the best and safest option to protect the children from this deceiving lurking and hiding in the shadows priest out there! Your beliefs are 100% beliefs right? I mean you aren't just guessing? Have you placed out a warning saying: We got the wrong priest, he is still there, protect your children and Stay Away from church. I mean personally I find evidence much more valid than theistic beliefs. And the evidence has confirmed Pell's guilt. But since you place your beliefs above that, then which lying priest are you pointing the finger at exactly?
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  3753.  @nicolereese9757  Well I DO know. Basically decades of conversing with all types of theists. YOUR Jesus says, “But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.” According to the BIBLE, that's what the character Jesus said. Wait a minute, are you disputing your own Bible? That's odd. Plus how do you tell which verses are parables and which are real? Slaves obey your masters even the cruel ones. Is THAT still real in the Bible, or is it only the things that you like that are the real verses? Women in the Bible are worth less than men. What about: "Women are forever learning but they'll never understand the truth". You believe that right? Its ok, because later on the Bible then says: Men (MEN) will know the truth! There are SO many verses about men knowing the truth and women asking men for help its unbelievable. I mean your Jesus really wanted this known. That he was sexist, because YOU don't believe Jesus was telling the truth right? I hope not. Righteous judgement? Are you one of those Christians that believe in Christian Hell for your Jesus sins? I suspect you wouldn't WANT to hit your wife right? So if your wife did ANYTHING at all, you wouldn't want to hit her right? So... This Jesus of yours will send me to Christian Hell merely because I don't believe in him for bad reasons? I mean I don't choose Christian Hell, or ANY religious Hell. So.. a loving God wouldn't send me there right? I mean doesn't he have enough power to stop such a thing? Would you hit your wife? I didn't think so either, thus Christian Hell can't exist. Because it wouldn't be RIGHT of an agency who supposedly claims he loves you, that he would allow such a horrible thing. I mean YOU wouldn't burn your wife if she didn't love you right? As that would be monstrous if you did. I don't believe the Bible is true remember. Its ok, I suspect you don't believe the Qur'an is true (me either). Did you have any evidence or even a good reason to support these outrageous claims of yours? Anything at all? I hope its not bad reasons!
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  3755.  @Robert_N  Robert I'm kinda an expert in this area, and everything you brought up shows me you don't converse with atheists much. 1. Might be right. Once you confirm you're right, then that's the time to believe and never before that! By believing before you confirm something is like saying you believe in a guess, or that you gullibly go around believing things without a shred of evidence. You see your first line doesn't make sense? 2. Concrete evidence? YOU and I both merely require evidence that meets the claim. We don't need overly over the top evidence. Just evidence that meets the claim. IF your guess is right, then just means you got dumb luck. But IF your belief in your guess is wrong (and you already agreed you don't have evidence to meet the claim) then you are being unreasonable to believe in it. 3. Evidence God doesn't exist. I'm not making the claim, you are remember. I don't say a 'God' doesn't exist, although we can throw out some such as the Christian God due to the contradictions in the Bible Vs what describes your God don't match up. I don't say NO Gods, and 99% of atheists don't say no Gods. They merely say: The time to believe is when the evidence is shown, and you say there's none at the moment. 4. Life existing We KNOW how life evolved, no more gaps! We are perfectly clear on this. Regarding abiogenics where life originated from, we don't know this. But not a good idea to say the Scientologist God flew a spaceship here. Or Allah grabbed some mud. OR your claimed God blinked us into existence! Since that does not go along with reality. We have an open group of Professors working on the Origins Project. We already have quite a number of hypotheses. NONE say a God done it. You know why? Because no evidence for ANY claimed God. Actually, the more science uncovers, the further God claims recede. 5. Something from nothing. NO scientist says that! What they say that due to the 2nd law of thermal dynamics, that energy/matter must have always existed in one form or another. YOU are the one saying something from nothing. You believe your God pronounced everything into existence out of nothing. YOU believe that, not me, and not scientists working on Origins. Prof. Krauss was once asked why did you write a book on 'Something From Nothing' when you didn't mean this at all, you meant a neutral state where there was a split. Now Christians think you meant something from nothing! Krauss said because I didn't write it for Christians! 6. A Created universe from something or someone. We are not aware our universe was created at all. You have poisoned the well. How did you rule out that its not been here forever in another form or outside our present laws of physics? We can't just GUESS and then believe in our guess, as that would be pathetic right? 7. That's why your claimed God is NOT the Creator, as YOU said everything WRONG. Glad I helped you out, a little thanks would be nice :)
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  3762.  @robbiecleighmarks3088  Thanks for your 3 Qs over 3 posts! In future just combine each Q to a single post, especially on long threads! Since it looks as though you wanted to break the continuity of the thread with triple posting. You did want answers right? Your Post1 The reason why I call Christians weak minded on their beliefs surrounding morbid Christianity; is because they are believing without a good reason or even the slightest of evidence. ie Believing in things this way is actually called gullibility or weak minded. Your Post2 There are ZERO confirmed prophesies. Prophesies need to be detailed. Name; date; time; etc. And above all they need to be something that wasn't planned for. For instance: Stating a place will one day build up or fall, could be said for any place. Especially if you have thousands of years to make it happen! At this stage we CONFIRM there are zero confirmed Christian or Islamic or Hindu or any other religious claimed prophesies being confirmed as true. NONE. Your Post3 A survey of who knows the Bible better was taken up some years ago. Guess what? Atheists seem to know the Bible better than common Christians. I'm fully aware of the Bible and all the different versions (there are many, of course no original Hebrew Bible exists any longer). I also know the Torah and the entire 1st Testament of the Bible (due to Creationists still about, which is embarrassing). Are YOU a Creationist? I'm open to further questions you have about Christianity. I constantly help Christians by guiding them towards truth. Did you know we worked out the best method to be on the path towards truth? Its through evidence and reason, the exact thing that all Christians don't have. How shamefully pathetic of them. Don't you think?
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  3764.  @robbiecleighmarks3088  All those things require detailed answers! But I'll give short responses anyhow as you may not know. I mean its a first time for everyone of course, yours is now. A prophesy made in the Torah, and then the sequel (The Bible) claiming they came true? Look its too simple to inform you. Doesn't every novel storyline do that? Plus they had 600 years to work towards making it happen! The concept is so lame that you'd have to be weak minded not to realize that. Jesus's body? No evidence is NOT evidence of something occurred. May be there was no body in the storyline because he didn't exist at all. Personally I feel the criminal Jesus man did exist. The Romans then came in the night and dumped this common claimed Messiah's body in a mass unmarked grave, so as not to have his grave martyrized. It was clearly reported that capital punished criminals were buried in mass unmarked graves. But this is all assuming the nutter existed in the first place! Theory of Creation? No one who understands science (our best method in understanding the truth) says that. Its called ORIGINS, origins of the universe in the matter of your question. There are quite a number of hypothesis, but the determined best understanding of the beginning of the universe is The Big Bang of course! Note: NO hypotheses states: Fairies did it, or magic, or any claimed God blinked everything into existence out of nothing! The reason why these are NOT hypothesis is because you need to show the evidence of that claimed God or magical fairy FIRST. So far no theist (ie Christian)n has done that. By the way... With all this talk of Torah and your Creation myth. CLEARLY you ARE a Creationist :O I mean you hear they still exist, but to have one of these simple minded people in a thread is shocking. You REALLY believe your particular God blinked everything into existence out of nothing? WOW. And you have ZERO evidence for such an absurd claim? Your brain must be like putty. Maybe you should ask me, What about wicked witches? LOL I realize you MUST believe in evil wicked witches, its just hard not to laugh at something so ridiculous.
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  3765.  @stevehuggett2098  Oh you are referencing the common theist belief that science is at the end of knowing everything! Plus you kinda snuck in that at present or future generations things will be worse. Another common theist misunderstanding. We are living in the best time ever. The best education; knowledge; technology; entertainment; health you name it. From the year 1768 or even after that in Darwin's day of first understanding evolution, we now know a whole lot more. DNA wasn't even known about back then. Nor was landing rockets on Mars to find previous life. I understand your concern of me ridiculing ridiculous beliefs, such as claimed God creators. Think of it as similar to the claims of men who stated: A spaceship picked me up and did anal probing experiments! I realize those claims aren't as absurd as Christian or any theist claim though. Yes I way heavily on Christian morbid nonsense. I'm quite happy to discuss the claimed Prophet Muhammad going into a cave and being dictated by their Allah claim on the Quran? Or that he flew away on a donkey! Or that their belief is that people were made from mud! I choose Christianity to ridicule because that's mostly what you see in western culture (really America). But good point ALL of these religious beliefs are absurd and funny. Asking questions is the way to learn. I PREFER Christians ask me questions, I just like one of them to say thanks to me for the answers, as clearly they have a mindset of believing they are still in hundreds of years ago or thousands LOL
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  3834. Ridiculous The materials used, were materials found and for its prestige value in building ie Granite. Wireless? Wow my wireless might get as far as next door! Without thousands (possibly millions) of repeater antennas all over the place, then it would be useless. Missing wires? And missing gold top? You may as well have said missing combustion engine and computer! If its missing then its NOT evidence! Why was there so much talk on crystals? And pressure on crystals? YOU even stated a pressure in a tiny watch can cause frequency (I think you said power). Are you suggesting millions of tonnes of pressure? Science doesn't even do that today, we must be smarter! Building a big bricks and mortar pyramid is suppose to be HIGH intelligence? They must have tried to dumb down ALL the rest of things they did, ie NON use of wheel, basic bowls, basic living conditions that weren't far off caveman era! OH but those pyramids THEY were the places the smarts went into, everything else of the time.. IDIOTville. PLUS all of this is merely a 'hypotheses'. Maybe it was a power plant? MAYBE it was a spaceship!! Maybe it was a tool to view the entire (believed in AT THE TIME: FLAT) Earth! Why it could have been a million different things! But instead of GUESSING its a powerplant with missing stuff! Just look at the evidence that we know of, you know, like SCIENCE does for EVERYthing! Or, stick to your guess, its a beauty ;) NOT. Wireless power plant? Um fkn LOL. Have you completely lost your damn mind? I bet you are a deluded Christian > Ridiculous.
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  3838.  @orlandosedillo8516  Look I'm very knowledgeable on all of this. The dying for Jesus sins is also wrong! I mean couldn't have he just merely waved his arm and washed it away? Wasn't he the one that placed these Jesus sins onto 'man' and of course pain onto woman? How is 'sacrificing' about 2 days (if you know your biblical history) a sacrifice if he gets to be LORD over everyone for eternity???? That's not a sacrifice right? Even a common mass murderer/rapist would do that, actually anyone would. Nail me up under excruciating pain for 2 days so as I can be LORD over everyone for eternity. NOT A SACRIFICE. Plus that what I said earlier. That such a 'God' who will burn people in your Christian Hell, means it would be good of you or me to strike it down, not praise the damn monster! That's called stockholm syndrome! Look I can list off so many wrong issues with your claimed supernatural species (demons, angels, spirits, likely witches no doubt and) God! Over and over and over to you. But you don't get it. We worked out how to help people to Recover From Religion. Its merely a matter of you asking questions. I mean no claimed God would be scared of such a natural human thing above 6 years old right? Is your God hiding something? Its shocking that you can't even see that a claimed God who DEMANDS love me OR ELSE burn, is actually a monster. That's fkn obvious right? Not to you. And I don't choose Hell, I choose your claimed heaven so as I can strike this monster down. As that would be GOOD of me. No more 'fear God'. No more praising the claimed monster. I'm sorry your parents didn't help you to fight away your nightmeres of this Jesus monster. They were clearly wrong not to. You just need to ask questions. Even the Simpsons cartoon makes predictions. If you make a 1000 predictions then some have a probability to come true, especially when the Christians at the time fought to make them happen. Predictions and prophesies need to be specific, dates, times, places, names etc. Not 'some day' this will happen to some King. As that's NOT a prediction! Nor is wearing a lucky rabbit's foot the reason why you win at something. Its not the so called lucky rabbit's foot, and its not your merely claimed God!
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  3839.  @orlandosedillo8516  You saw him? Well as per everyone in the entire world I EXPECT you whipped out your phone and took a picture? WAIT WHAT? You don't actually mean you SAW him right? OH you meant you didn't see him! He moved you to the side? Well I expect that business has cameras, but even so being picked up and moved did you have bruising? His hands what size were they? As we can finally determine if he's 4foot tall as in Noah's time or not? He had thumbs too of course? Strange a claimed God with thumbs don't you think? I mean is he grabbing onto tree branches and swinging from them? Why would he have thumbs? ANYWAY you felt him pick you up and move you. I really hope someone took a pic of you flying through the air unaided? WAIT A DAMN MINUTE! When you say felt you don't actually mean physically (externally) felt him right? FFS, why are you saying such misleading (ie LIES) wording? You didn't SEE or FEEL anything!!! Didn't your God create Satan? And Satan KNOWS your God exists (I mean of course). But he still decided to go against your God? That's odd. Anyway so your claimed God created your claimed Satan, and then YOUR God put sins onto the world (he basically yelled it out in frustrated anger from what I read). BUT, no no, he couldn't scream his Jesus sins away. Oh Lordy no. HE had to come down and do a blood sacrifice (which was happening at that EXACT time by people with their polyGod beliefs) to himself onto himself for introducing the Jesus sins in the 1st place! THAT MAKES NO SENSE! I noticed you didn't ask any questions, especially when I stated I was knowledgeable in the area! But YOU must now at very least question this 'seeing' (that you didn't see remember) and feeling (that you didn't feel remember) right? The church has made you sound like a blithering twit. STOP the poetic nonsense of seeing without seeing, and just state how it was! You say time slowed down? Our scientists would have worked this out right? I mean there would have been a whole bunch of actions in not enough time happening. But I haven't heard ANYTHING like that occurrence at all. Plus your God stopped you getting shot? But he allowed the millions of say children being raped and SHOT to death, that was ok, he was saving you! Have you completely lost your mind.
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  3858. Regarding your insanity William (and lack of intelligence). A vet hey? So ... according to YOUR deluded religious beliefs, why those animals are just there for humans entertainment (and food) of course? I mean its not like a pet rat has your mythical God as its chosen one right? So, really these domesticated (and possibly farming or wild) animals, I mean they don't really matter if they die right? As they are just animals right? Like humans right? Oh no? What the hell? You think the human species are the chosen species and not animals? OMMG William could you imagine someone taking their beloved family pet to you, I mean you're ;) like a deluded idiot. I would never trust you with a family pet because 1. You're ;) deluded 2. You're ;) not really a science type guy right? 3. Who cares if these entertainment/food animals die anyway, I mean its not like they were chosen like specific (deluded) people (ie animals) of the human species right? Do you know how we guarantee tomorrow? We look at the actual evidence things that exist (say like the Sun and Earth) and then we calculate that due to their motion and through the confirmed and observed history, laws and predictions. That we can actually calculate the Earth's movement facing towards the Sun :) Unless you have a negative morbid feeling about science? I wonder what method you would use to calculate your invisible mythical God? A feeling in your heart (muscle)? 'Look at the trees'? I'd be fascinated to know why you are deluded William, and not merely due to the laughter it brings :)
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