Comments by "Abuk777" (@Abakar71) on "Clashes as Pro-Palestine Protesters March through Jewish Neighborhood Circling Menorahs - NYC" video.
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The Yahuds will never receive the promised land, which they gape at, since their Torah says that this land is promised to Ismail and his descendants! We will build on their book.
Heir of Abram!
Who is he?
What do the Tanakh and the Bible say about this? In particular, the Torah of the Yahuds.
God, who never makes mistakes, tells Abram in a promise who his heir will be!
And the word of the Lord came to him, and said, He shall not be your heir, but he who shall come out of your body shall be your heir.
(Genesis 15:4)
Please especially note that we are not talking about any Sarah, Hagar, wife, or servant here. Yahuds and Christians falsely cling to the fact that Ishmael is an illegitimate son, since Hagar gave birth to him. However, Genesis 15:4 does not say anything about women. All that is said is that an heir will come from the loins of Abram. We'll tell you why Abram and not Abraham a little later.
After this promise, it was Ishmael who came from the loins of Abram, not Isaac!
The only heir God promised to Abram was Ishmael!
And then we can easily find out that the entire land from the Euphrates to the Egyptian River was given as an inheritance to the descendants of Ismail! It is this promised land that the Yahuds will set their sights on.
On this day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying: To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates:
(Genesis 15:18)
The land from the Egyptian River to the Euphrates is part of Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Palestine, and the Sinai Peninsula of Egypt.Covenant with Abram!
Pay attention to what is written here!
On this day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying: To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates:
(Genesis 15:18)
The Lord made a covenant with Abram, not with Abraham!
It was Abram, not Abraham, who had Ishmael come out of his loins!
And Isaac was born to Abraham, not Abram!
That is why God separated Ishmael and the Ishmaelites, as the true heirs of Abram, from all the other descendants of Abraham!
and you shall no longer be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham, for I will make you the father of many nations;
(Genesis 17:5)
The rabbis know about this, but are silent!
The rabbis call the Arabs and descendants of Ismail Ishmailis.
And what do we see? Who lives on this land?
Ishmailis, Arabs!
Did some rabble of European occupiers come to Palestine in 1947 and decide to repeat the genocide of Indians and African peoples?
Who can say that those Yahuds who came out of Egypt are identical to the Europeans who call themselves Yahuds? There was no trace left of those Yahuds in these Europeans. It’s just that adventurers from Europe decided to play the Zionist card and get into foreign lands!
You can say whatever you want, but God never fails in a promise!!
Perhaps someone will say that we should not pay special attention to these moments in the Torah.
However, we will proceed from the fact that there is nothing accidental in this book, especially when the Yahuds recognize it as sacred for themselves.Yahud themselves have what is written in the Torah?
On this day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying: To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates:
(Genesis 15:18)
The Lord made a covenant with ABRAM, not with Abraham!
Whose Ismail came out of his loins? Abram's!
Whose Isaac came out of his loins? By Abraham, not by Abram, since Isaac was born to Sarah after Abram changed his name to Abraham.
God promised an heir and an inheritance from the Egyptian River to the Euphrates to Abram!
According to the Torah, God's promised heir to Abram is Ishmael, not Isaac!
Look, this is not a translation, there are two different names here - אַבְרָם and אַבְרָהָם - Abraham and Abraham.
וְלֹא יִקָּרֵא עוֹד אֶת שִׁמְךָ אַבְרָם וְהָיָה שִׁמְךָ אַבְרָהָם כִּי אַב הֲמוֹן גּוֹיִם נְתַתִּיךָ
And you shall no longer be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham, for I will give you to become the father of many nations. (Bereishit 17:5)
So, according to the Torah, the promise of God in chapter 15 was given to Abram, not to Abraham.
From the loins of Abram came Ishmael, not Isaac.
The entire promise of an heir and of the land from the Euphrates to the Egyptian River was given to Abram, not to Abraham.
The only heir to emerge from the loins of Abram is Ismail!
Ishaq was born to Abraham, not Abram.
This is the wisdom of the Torah, as the Yahuds themselves say!
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@FollowerOfYeshua1974 , look, here God makes a promise to Abram, not to Abraham.
And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
(Genesis 15:4)
In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
(Genesis 15:18)
So, answer, who, according to the wise Torah, came from the loins of Abram?
Look, the wise Torah reports that Abram had a son, Ishmael.
Hagar bore Abram a son; and Abram called the name of his son born of Hagar: Ishmael.
(Genesis 16:15)
Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar gave birth to Abram Ishmael.
(Genesis 16:16)
Now can you show me where in the wise Torah it is said that Abram begat someone else besides Ismail?
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Are you saying that the Bible is bullshit?
Look, here God makes a promise to Abram, not to Abraham.
And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
(Genesis 15:4)
In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
(Genesis 15:18)
So, answer, who, according to the wise Torah, came from the loins of Abram?
Look, the wise Torah reports that Abram had a son, Ishmael.
Hagar bore Abram a son; and Abram called the name of his son born of Hagar: Ishmael.
(Genesis 16:15)
Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar gave birth to Abram Ishmael.
(Genesis 16:16)
Now can you show me where in the wise Torah it is said that Abram begat someone else besides Ismail?
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@kavkazEagle77 , насчёт семени, мудрая Тора говорит, что семя через Исаака будет всего лишь "нареченным" - одно лишь название, так называемое.
Но Бог сказал Аврааму: не огорчайся ради отрока и рабыни твоей; во всем, что скажет тебе Сарра, слушайся голоса ее, ибо в Исааке наречется тебе семя;
(Бытие 21:12)
Тогда как Исмаил и весь народ, произведенный через Исмаила, прямо назван семенем Авраама!
и от сына рабыни Я произведу народ, потому что он семя твое.
(Бытие 21:13)
Возражай!
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@kavkazEagle77 , благословение, о котором ты сочиняешь, это то, что вы высосали из Бытия 17:19-21, где говорится, что Вечный Завет с Исааком будет заключен только год спустя, тогда как Авраам и Измаил уже вступили в Вечный Завет с Богом.
О каком Вечном Завете идет речь?
Вот об этом:
Сей есть завет Мой, который вы должны соблюдать между Мною и между вами и между потомками твоими после тебя: да будет у вас обрезан весь мужеский пол;
(Бытие 17:10)
Авраам и Измаил уже заключили этот Вечный Завет с Богом, совершив обрезание крайней плоти.
Авраам был девяноста девяти лет, когда была обрезана крайняя плоть его.
(Бытие 17:24)
А Измаил, сын его, был тринадцати лет, когда была обрезана крайняя плоть его.
(Бытие 17:25)
И этот Вечный Завет не касается обещания, которое Бог дал Авраму о наследнике и наследстве. Так как Вечный Завет был заключен уже с Авраамом, а не с Аврамом.
Таким образом, Измаил — единственный наследник, произошедший из чресл Аврама и вступивший в Вечный Завет с Богом путем обрезания крайней плоти.
Из чресл Аврама, кроме Измаила, больше никто не вышел!
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@kavkazEagle77 , смотри, вот здесь Бог даёт обетование Авраму, а не Аврааму.
И было слово Господа к нему, и сказано: не будет он твоим наследником, но тот, кто произойдет из чресл твоих, будет твоим наследником.
(Бытие 15:4)
В этот день заключил Господь завет с Аврамом, сказав: потомству твоему даю Я землю сию, от реки Египетской до великой реки, реки Евфрата:
(Бытие 15:18)
Итак, ответь, кто, согласно мудрой Торе, произошел из чресл Аврама?
Смотри, мудрая Тора сообщает, что у Аврама родился сын Исмаил.
Агарь родила Авраму сына; и нарек Аврам имя сыну своему, рожденному от Агари: Измаил.
(Бытие 16:15)
Аврам был восьмидесяти шести лет, когда Агарь родила Авраму Измаила.
(Бытие 16:16)
Теперь ты покажи, где в мудрой Торе сказано, что у Аврама родился кто-то ещё, кроме Исмаила?
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