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@Consequence interesting. thanks for that response. i was thinking there was something outrageous that she said that i missed rather than some general points of disagreement over tone.
"As it progressed I became confused about why people were being equated with their governments. There were no people of Palestine but "a surrounding threat":
i half agree with you about this. but its important to note that gaza isnt like other places like the US for example. of course not everyone supports hamas there but they have enjoyed a large majority of support- even for oct 7, which is pretty bad. but there is an ideology behind the elected group that is almost universal. hence the conflation but again, not all believe this. i personally always draw a distinction- only those that support hamas are complicit, not palestinians that dont
'Another thing that struck me was that Bari was making an argument for drawing the line at hate speech when a few months prior had been chosen to report on the twitter files. (edit to add that Bari referenced "from the river to the sea" as hate speech and I was completely puzzled by this, as it is nowhere close to inciting violence).'
the reason its considered hate speech by israel sympathizers is that river to the sea means no israel. how do you get no israel?that statement, combined with the stated goals of hamas means israel and the jews are to be exterminated. but i get that if one hasnt dug into the details it can seem like a normal slogan.
"Finally, and perhaps this was not the video for this topic, Bari is very cool when she dismisses how absurd it is that the gliders could just fly over and begin their assault. Instead of confusion and demanding to know how such a usually tight security system could fail in a spectacular way, she's mumbling about hoping "others can finally see what israhel has been dealing with".:
i think you mean that she doesnt question if Israel knew about it in advance. i'm sure she doesnt believe they knew even if some people think they did. but its true that Israel does live next to a people that openly say they want to exterminate them. its pretty shocking what they say they want to do, and say they will do it again and again. living in the US, if mexico or canada said and did these things, it would not be good.
"(Edited to add- it also felt like Bari was appealling to emotion when she reminded of how many beheaded and r4ped people I should be outraged about. "
i think i disagree with you here. of course people should be outraged about that. that seems like something that universally should be condemned rather than something that is drawing unnecessary or undue sympathy.
thanks again for your response. its rare to get such a thoughtful reply particularly about this issue. i appreciate that.
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@simon6495 this is a good one
A group of eight men from the tribe of 'Ukil came to the Prophet (ﷺ) and then they found the climate of Medina unsuitable for them. So, they said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Provide us with some milk." Allah's Apostle said, "I recommend that you should join the herd of camels." So they went and drank the urine and the milk of the camels (as a medicine) till they became healthy and fat. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels, and they became unbelievers after they were Muslims. When the Prophet (ﷺ) was informed by a shouter for help, he sent some men in their pursuit, and before the sun rose high, they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and they were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died.
Sahih Bukhari, book 56, hadith 227
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@bikeserv The proportion of Palestinian women and children being killed in the Israel-Hamas war appears to have declined sharply, an Associated Press analysis of Gaza’s Hamas-run health ministry data, which cannot be verified, has found. This trend coincides both with Israel’s changing battlefield tactics and contradicts the Hamas-run ministry’s own public statements.
The trend is significant because the death rate for women and children is the best available proxy for civilian casualties in the conflict. In October, when the war began following Hamas’s October 7 onslaught, it was above 60 percent. In April, it was below 40%. Yet the shift went unnoticed for months by the United Nations and much of the media, and the Gazan health ministry has made no effort to set the record straight.
Israel faces heavy international criticism over the level of reported civilian casualties in Gaza and questions about whether it has done enough to prevent them in an eight-month-long war that shows no sign of ending. Jerusalem vehemently denies the charges, saying it is taking unprecedented measures to reduce civilian casualties, and that the combatant-to-civilian ratio is relatively low even according to the unverified figures issued by Hamas-run authorities.
The figures make no distinction between civilians and combatants, and include Gazans killed by hundreds of misfired Palestinian rockets that landed inside the Strip.
The AP analysis highlights facts that have been overlooked and could help inform the public debate, said Gabriel Epstein, a research assistant at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy who has also studied the Health Ministry data.
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@Palau_Legend from above a few posts-
I don’t know if it’s just me, but it infuriates me when guests (like this lady) use vague platitudes, with no substantive grounding in definitional reality.
“I mean they told us they were going to dismantle the institutions of our democracy, and that’s exactly what they’re doing now.”
—Well wasn’t this past election a CLEAR “democratic” signal to the political class that the will of the people hasn’t been responded to (i.e. Democracy functioning)?
—Why didn’t you comment about the “fourth branch of government” being exposed by DOGE? Does the unelected fourth branch have anything to do with democracy?
—Lastly, we’re not a democracy, but a Republic—stop overusing the word!
“…Money is a huge part of the story…kind of destabilizing the political system in a number of different ways.”
—The Democrats vastly outspent the Republicans in this past election, and the results weren’t close. I don’t think it’s a money problem as to why the political landscape shifted. Plus, ALL the real money is controlled by the left—from higher education, to media, to Hollywood, to science—the list goes on.
“You know, they want privileged contracts or they want, in some instances, I’m looking at you Mr. Musk, tax privileges, tax subsidies, and things like this.”
—Musk has spoken about his “sudden” entry into politics. Firstly, he said it was taking longer for the regulatory system to approve his Rockets than it was to actually build them—meaning the system is so over bureaucratized that it’s gridlocking entrepreneurs out of actually building things.
—Also, he’s spoken about how his now transgender son was taken from him by the school system, where he unknowingly lost authority of his son because the school essentially conned him into signing away his authority. So “the trans issue” is not some far right, overblown thing, but tangibly real for many people, including Elon.
“But we've also seen life become so much harder for people, I would say, in the bottom 90% of our country, where the working and middle classes are struggling, you know, and making it hard, it's making it harder for those families to succeed.”
—Do you think the pro inflationary policies of the past administration where a prime contributor to the suffering of the average person? Maybe that had something to do with the election results?¿?
I could go on and on, but this Lady lives in a hall of mirrors, where she, as well as many people on the left are unable to actually see the shift in the political landscape for what it is. It’s not some Christian Nationalist phenomenon, it’s not a far right phenomenon—for Donald Trump is not far right if you’re conscious of the actual political spectrum. What happened in November was not just Democracy, but Democracy functioning—but obviously, hard pill for some people to swallow, case in point being this lady.
Absolutely astonishing, but at this point, not surprising.
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@Wakeaholik can you elaborate on this restriction? what does a standard of 'good medical practice" mean?
there are no restrictions in terms of gestation (in other words, third trimester), no health of the mother restriction and no health of the fetus restriction.
"Other states, like Minnesota and Michigan, passed measures protecting access to abortion after Roe was overturned. In January 2023, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz signed a bill that imposed no restrictions or gestational limits on abortion, and in November 2022, Michigan voters approved a constitutional amendment establishing an individual right to make decisions about abortion. Michigan’s amendment allows the state to regulate abortion once a fetus has reached a point of viability—typically between 24 and 26 weeks of pregnancy—with exceptions to protect the life, physical health, or mental health of the mother. However, the state has not acted on its right to regulate post-viability abortions, and abortions are currently permitted at any point in pregnancy."
regarding the number done, we can't know because the law requiring reporting of such abortions was done away with.
"The same 2023 Minnesota law also removed a previous requirement to report to the state the deaths of aborted unborn babies 20 weeks’ gestation and older and stopped state funding for pro-life pregnancy centers"
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