Comments by "Ante Bratinčević" (@antebratincevic6764) on "Why is Russia bombing civilians?" video.
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You lie. The Yugoslav army did not serve for 18 months, but 12 + 3. The arms embargo on the import of weapons was valid for all the republics of the former Yugoslavia, with the fact that Serbia was the most armed because most of the weapons of the Yugoslav army ended up in the hands of Serbs.
It was NATO that implemented the arms embargo favoring Serbia, which took over most of the arms of the Yugoslav Army.
The war in the territory of the former Yugoslavia cannot be compared with the current war in Ukraine, which is a communist creation, just like Yugoslavia was, and since 2014, Ukraine no longer exists, just like Yugoslavia ceased to exist in 1991.
In the early 1980s, I served in the Yugoslav army and in the early 1990s I fought in the Croatian army and I saw all kinds of things. Not about that now.
And if you're going to see what bombing with democratic bombs looks like, look at what Iraq's Fallujah and Syria's Raqqa looked like.
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@adamderbent6986 You continue to blatantly manipulate using half-truths that are more effective for manipulation than active lies.
You referred to the Soviet style of killing civilians. First there are no Soviets now, Russians are not Soviets as you are not Yugoslav.
Second, I mentioned Falluja and Raqqa as a style of killing civilians because you wrote that the Soviets have their way of mass killing people. American's style in killing civilians is a way more effective then Sovit's style.
If there were civilian casualties from Russian missiles, it was due to the actions of the NATO proxy anti-aircraft defense. In addition, in the last week, more civilians were killed in Donetsk, Gorlovka and Belgorod than in the territory controlled by the NATO proxy.
Since 2014, more than 800 children have been killed in the Donbas region alone by the bombing of the Ukrainian army.
There were elements of aggression and civil war in Croatia, because you cannot talk about aggression if people whose families have lived in the same city for hundreds of years go to war. If you are going to talk about aggression, then Croatia also committed aggression against Bosnia and Herzegovina because Croatian army from Croatia, cities and villages hundreds of kilometers away were killing native Serbs in the villages of Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Now is neither the time nor the place to talk about the causes of the war in the former Yugoslavia. Simply put, the Serbs in Croatia demanded veto rights under the 1974 constitution, and the Croats demanded the borders of the Republic of Croatia under the same constitution. Not about that now.
The West under the leadership of the Americans at the beginning of the war supported Yugoslavia with Serbian domination until Croatia collapsed economically in 1994 and then Tuđman privatized all public banks and handed over the Croatian National Bank to the global mafia and Croatia and Croats have been debt slaves ever since. All this so that the liberation of Croatia from America would be politically, informationally, logistically and financially supported.
For example, the Americans stole the Ukrainian Central Bank from the Ukrainians in 2014. The day after the coup in Ukraine in 2014, all the gold was taken from the Ukrainian Central Bank.
Hollande and Merkel publicly stated that the Minsk peace accords were never intended to be implemented and that it was merely buying time for Ukraine to arm itself.
You don't live in reality because you don't understand that Ukraine is not Croatia, nor Serbia is not Russia.
And finally, every country has the right to defend itself, but Ukraine as a country no longer exists, as does Yugoslavia. These are facts, no matter how long you live in the illusion. Some still think that Yugoslavia will be resurrected.
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@tcavuzic If you want, every war has similarities.
Ukraine may have had some sovereignty, but that sovereignty disappeared with the 2014 coup and part of the Ukrainian citizens simply did not want to recognize that illegal and illegitimate government. With the unconstitutional overthrow of Yanukovych, Ukraine ceased to exist as a legal entity. No one can deny the fact that the Ukrainian Central Bank was hijacked from Ukraine in 2014 and all the gold was taken away. The Russians didn't do that. Sorry. That was the end of any trace of Ukraine's sovereignty, and since then Ukraine has been a vassal of the West.
As for Yugoslavia, there was also a problem of the constitution. I'm not judging, I'm just stating the facts. The constitution of any country is not an e-shop so that it can be put in the basket of things as desired.
Yugoslavia was an internationally recognized country and used the army to protect its borders, I don't think it should have been like that, but Ukraine did the same with the difference that it was done in Ukraine by an unconstitutionally brought government.
And I react to half-truths such as the West supporting only Croatia, that is not true, NATO was the executor of the ban on importing weapons to Croatia while Serbia was armed to the teeth. In addition, a lot of weapons came from Russia, which does not agree with the thesis that Russians and Serbs are the same.
I have only presented the deliberately hidden facts that change the view of the overall picture.
No one can tell me that Serbia and Russia are the same and that is exactly what led to this war.
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@Timrath You blatantly lie.
The embargo on arms sales to Yugoslavia was introduced on September 25, 1991.
The war in BiH means the first killing of Muslims or Serbs or Croats in BiH appeared in 1992, so it is a pure lie that the embargo was introduced so that Serbs or Croats would not kill Muslims. BS. Everything is easily verifiable.
Who are you to judge who was a criminal and who was not in the territory of the former Yugoslavia. What are you, a deity or what?
As I wrote, at the beginning of the war, the US did not allow Croatia to acquire weapons, as, for example, the US actively armed Ukraine from 2015, and that is why the war in Yugoslavia differs from the war in Ukraine.
Furthermore, the US armed Croatia only in the fourth year of the war in 1994 and only after Croatia handed over the Croatian Central Bank to the global mafia. Without American political, intelligence, logistical and financial support, Croatia would not have won the war and when the war in Croatia ended in August 1995, several hundred Serbian civilians were killed months later who had not left their homes where they had lived since birth. These were mostly old and infirm men and women.
That was also a proxy US business, because in 1995 the US had full control over the Croatian Army, just as it now has control over the Ukrainian Army, and this is, for example, one of the similarities between the wars in Yugoslavia and Ukraine.
I do not justify anyone's crimes, those who fought and those who committed them are guilty of that. What is also important is that the Americans and Brits intensively added fuel to the war conflicts in the former Yugoslavia, especially in Bosnia and Herzegovina. They were the ones who brought the Mujahedin to BiH. And then the beheading began in BiH.
I'm not writing this for you. You have no help from the propaganda and false history that has taken over you in order to sell your brains to us who lived through the hell of that war, regardless of which side we fought for.
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@Timrath The borders within the republics of Yugoslavia were determined by the communists (Bosnia and Herzegovina did not even exist as a federal unit in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia) as well as the borders of Ukraine where, for example, in 1954 the Ukrainian Khrushchev administratively annexed Crimea from Russia to Ukraine.
Consider those facts then you can go further.
I was waiting for you there. Nationalities existed even before Yugoslavia and Ukraine. True. And if peoples who belong to their own nations have some rights in Yugoslavia, why shouldn't they have the same rights in Ukraine.
You came to Putin's claims, where Russians are in the majority, that is Russia.
Serbs were the majority in Yugoslavia and they wanted a unitary Yugoslavia, and I don't think that's right either. But why would it be okay for Ukrainians to have a unitary Ukraine as if Russians did not exist in Ukraine.
The Russians only asked for autonomy in Donbas, Ukraine without Crimea, which is Russian anyway and which Khrushchev administratively annexed to Ukraine in 1954, and they agreed to it in the Minsk agreements. The Anglo-Saxons did not allow that to the Ukrainians.
Now the Russians are looking for Zaporozhye and Kherson regions. If the Anglo-Saxons do not agree, the Russians will ask for Odesa and Kharkov.
Going back to the history of warfare and negotiations with the Russians, the first Russian offer was always the best.
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@The_Touring_Jedi I know that the question was not addressed to me, but I will answer you when I am here.
The disintegration of Yugoslavia should be seen in the context of the changes that took place at the end of the 1980s, when the USSR collapsed and the balance of power was disturbed, and then the existence of Yugoslavia was no longer necessary for anyone. In the beginning, the West, or if you want the EU and NATO under the leadership of the US, wanted to swallow Yugoslavia all at once, but it didn't work for many other reasons. When the West saw that it was not going well, it decided to democratize republic by republic, conducting parallel relations with the federal and republican authorities until the point when the west began to finance it, read to control the republics separately. That led to war as West planned.
The West manipulated, when the Serbs had more weapons than the others, the West did not help those who had no weapons until the moment before they were defeated, and only then would the West give them weapons in exchange for obedience. Like in Ukraine today. No one tells Zelensky what to do, but he is given more or less weapons, so he obeys exactly as much as he gets weapons, because without weapons from the West Ukraines only alternative is capitulation. Blackmailed in this desperate situation, Zelenski is ready to do anything, even mobilizing soldiers without limbs or people with Down syndrome.
The West is not the main one who should be blamed for the breakup of Yugoslavia, but also the peoples in their nationally disordered republics. However, the main culprits are the peoples of the nations who all drank the fraud of democracy that they drank through nationalism.
Very similar to Ukraine, where democracy was driven in on the vehicles of Nazism. I must admit that in Ukraine it is as bad as Nazism is worse than nationalism, because nationalism does not necessarily have to be bad in order to be balanced with globalism.
Ukraine failed to be democratized despite George Soros who publicly stated that since the mid-1980s he organized and financed his own open societies in Ukraine. In 2014, Victoria FEU Nuland also publicly stated that since 1991, the US has invested 5 billion dollars in democracy in Ukraine, and we have seen that it was not successful either. The first colored revolution in 2005 failed, but the colored revolution in 2014 succeeded and the coup or regime change succeeded. I am convinced that there would be colored revolutions in Yugoslavia as well until one succeeded, and the uncertainty that Ukraine had from 1991 to 2014 only hindered the development of Ukraine and generated greater and greater corruption. It would be similar in Yugoslavia. We should not mourn for Yugoslavia, because Yugoslavia would also be robbed and betrayed by the same people who did it in the Yugoslav republics. Literally the same people who are ready to lie, steal and kill.
There is a saying in our country who lies, steals, and who steals kills.
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