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@Sleepy Hollow
phobia
/ˈfəʊbɪə/
noun
an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something
synonyms:abnormal fear, irrational fear, obsessive fear, fear, dread, horror, terror, dislike hatred
loathing, detestation, distaste, aversion, antipathy, revulsion, repulsion;
He's right.
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@Headless Horseman Because God gave us free will and no evidence for his existence.
Plus he placed us in a Universe where turning water into wine sounds like something you'd see only in a movie.
There is no hard evidence for Ghosts, Angels, Demons, Devils etc.
This is the reason why a person who claims to be the son of a God we've never seen who supposedly turned water into wine, we'd call them crazy.
When you live in a Universe where turning water into wine just like that is impossible... You tend to not believe a book about someone who supposedly DID when there is no evidence of this son of God, let alone the actual God himself.
It's just going against the laws of the Universe.
You're just a human being who's just as clueless about the origin of everything as the next guy.
You may believe God exists and you CAN mistake your belief as knowledge (for example, you say you know God exists when you really don't, you just think you know because you're THAT convinced)
It's alright to not know origin of everything, that makes the Universe a lot more interesting than it already is.
How can a person read a book which was supposedly the word of God and say it's true when, quite clearly if it were, everyone would know it.
Only a complete fool would go against a God.
So, obviously people believe God doesn't exist because they aren't convinced, not because the devil is manipulating them or they just hate God.
With all due respect, when you say they hate God when they actually don't, you just look like an asshole.
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@Sleepy Hollow So, you're saying you can choose to be Homosexual?
Well, I guess that means you can choose to be straight too?
You don't choose it, you can only experiment if you're open to doing so, but that's where people discover more about their sexuality.
If you "chose" to be gay and went back to being hetero, then you weren't gay in the first place, or maybe you're just bisexual (if you liked the experience). I'm bi by the way.
The Bible is a claim.
There is no evidence of a god which the bible describes or the quran or any other book billions of people consider "holy".
There is no irrefutable evidence of any god whatsoever.
There are only people who cherry pick verses that sound like an accurate description of our reality and call it evidence, you can do the same with the quran, wouldn't mean we should all worship allah.
It's not evidence.
If that's the best evidence for a god, then I guess we should start worshipping the Simpsons as they did predict a hell of a lot of things like Trumps presidency, 9/11 etc.
Simply claiming a god exists and claiming humanity and the universe is evidence for his existence is not compelling enough.
Anyone can claim that about their own special god.
Last time I checked, humans deceive.
Humans fool other people.
Humans lie.
Humans are power hungry.
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Don't worry.
Someone who hates the religion doesn't hate the followers of that religion.
But, when someone follows and worships a god that sends us to hell for not being able to convince most of us, that leaves the other concerned about your morals.
Now, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're a very kind person, I bet you are, but that will not change how I view the god of the Bible. (Also the quran).
It is immoral to do such things.
It is immoral to deliberately not prevent humans from going to hell and I say deliberately because this god is all knowing and all powerful, which means he knows what to do to convince and how to execute the action correctly.
But, we're not convinced. So, the only logical conclusions I can come to is
1. God is not all knowing, therefore is excused because he does not KNOW HOW to convince us or what WILL convince us.
2. God is not all powerful, therefore is excused because he is UNABLE to convince us.
3. God is both all knowing and all powerful, but evil.
Or 4. The god of the bible does not exist.
If I'm misunderstanding anything at all or if you have a question regarding what I said, hit me with it.
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@Alpha I didn't say the universe created itself, nor do I believe something came out of nothing. I don't even think a "nothing" ever existed, it's a nonsensical theory to me.
If you don't believe in nonsense, why do you think a good god would create a life he knew would be banished to hell? Being good means he should want to prevent evil and do good things. What's good about a god creating a life he knows is going to be banished to hell?
The big bang theory only talks about the universe expanding from a singularity. It doesn't tell you where the singularity came from. For all we know, the singularity was caused by the death of a previous universe, though I don't subscribe to that idea.
When I don't know something, I say I don't know, I don't say it must be a god. I wait for answers.
"The mere fact that you exist is evidence of gods existence."
Which god? Allah? Vishnu? Yahweh?
Muslims have told me I'm evidence allah exists and here you are telling me the exact same thing.
And before you go and claim something along the lines of "they're wrong, I'm right because I have evidence, they don't." Might I tell you, they claim they have evidence too.
Do you now see why I don't believe you simply because you claim it is evidence? All religious people claim the same thing.
There's only one thing evident about all this.
And that is that people believe they have evidence, when they really don't.
The fact that y'all claim you have evidence for your own special god is evidence that you think you have evidence when you don't.
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@Alpha Dude, I told you why I don't like this Christian god.
First of all, he's all powerful, therefore he should be able to convince me.
Second of all, he is all knowing, therefore he should KNOW how to convince me.
Third of all, he is all good, therefore he should WANT to convince me.
I am not convinced a god exists, so either this god isn't all powerful, isn't all knowing or he simply doesn't want me to believe.
Fourth of all, he made hellfire the punishment for not being convinced that he exists.
Now let's get something out of the way.
Being convinced IS NOT A CHOICE. One does not simply switch the "lord, save me" button to "on". One must CONVINCE him. IF HE IS UNABLE TO CONVINCE HIM, then he is unable to believe you.
This is the most simple way I can put it, if this simple summarisation is unfathomable to you, then I don't know what to say to help you understand why I don't like this god.
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@Sleepy Hollow 1. "Someone has to put them there." Someone?
How do you know it's a someone and not a something?
The big bang theory states the Universe expanded rapidly from a singularity, it doesn't claim that singularity came from nothing.
So, we don't know where the singularity came from, but we do know the universe expanded from that singularity where the laws of physics don't apply.
You use the cause and effect logic on the Universe because you're experiencing it every single day, but you don't apply it to the god believe in because you don't see this god every single day, you don't hear it.
In your mind it makes sense to have an entity who does not have a beginning and will not have an end and can create a universe.
But you don't know that. You simply don't.
It's impossible for you to know that.
But I know you believe you know.
But so what?
A muslim believes he knows allah created the universe, doesn't make any difference to you because you are not a muslim.
2. Scientists say the Earth formed that way, yes.
What's so extreme about two space rocks smashing together?
Gravity pulls in from all directions making the Earth as spherical as it can be, but it's not a perfect sphere as you claim. I don't know who told you it is.
What's extreme is believing a snake can talk.
Like, speak a complex human language which it cannot even fathom.
You believe that. Think about how ridiculous that claim is.
Snakes don't talk. Everyone knows that. 😂😂😂 I can't believe you'd even bring that up.
The last paragraph about the evidence for god being me and the universe.
Tell me, would you become a Muslim if one told you that you are evidence of allah?
No. Because it's not evidence.
It is evidence that we exist, none of this connects to a god whatsoever.
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@Çaesar The one who makes the claim, you saying the bible is the word of god, holds the burden of proof.
If you don't claim that, you don't have the burden of proof.
But you do claim it's gods word, therefore the burden is on you to prove that it is.
If it worked the way you think it does, then by that same process, if I claimed the claims in a book about unicorns were true, the burden wouldn't be on me.
If that's not enough for you to understand me, I'll provide another.
If I read a book that claimed bigfoot is real and I say that it is true, the burden of proof would be on me because I'm claiming it is true.
You claim the Bible is correct in its claim that there's a god, you need to provide evidence that that claim is in fact true.
If you can't prove it, then don't go parading around like it is true.
Go get some education.
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@Sleepy Hollow Wow. You are not even getting what I'm saying.
God is all knowing REGARDLESS OF FREE WILL AND CHOICE.
So, he still knows who's going to do what, when and how and who's going to hell.
God created humans for his enjoyment?
Can't he feel enjoyment without us? (Also, this is an example of why I say your idea of god is very humanistic; he wants to have joy, he has emotions.)
If he can, then he didn't and doesn't need to do it out of enjoyment.
You're just trying to answer this flaw away.
God gave people free will.
Ok.
But wait, this god is all knowing.
If you think logically, an all knowing god and free will are incompatible, they don't go together, I'm sure you agree there.
Why don't they go together?
Because in gods mind, the future is predetermined, so we are simply acting out gods plan thinking we have free will.
This is the only way you can have an all knowing god and the ILLUSION of free will.
Free will doesn't come with consequence just for using it, so he shouldn't 'punish' anyone UNLESS HE WANTS TO.
Jesus sacrificed himself to god.
Ok.
But wait, god is all knowing.
Did he know he would have to sacrifice himself?
Of course, he's all knowing.
You can say he practically sent himself on a suicide mission.
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@Alpha Ok first of all, I know the differences between want and need.
God does not need me to love him nor accept, so I shouldn't have to go to hell for anything because I am no use to him.
It seems you can't comprehend my logical arguement that when you say god is all knowing but he gave us free will, it makes no sense whatsoever.
He KNOWS what I will do from start to finish. How does he know? He wrote the future, so I cannot possess free will but only the illusion.
A parent can easily predict her child will cause a fuss, make mess, not want to eat their food and a few more things but god on the other hand knows all the things the mom knows AND everything else the mom cannot predict, like when the baby will say their first word, what that word will be, when the baby will die.
The mother cannot know those things, so you comparing gods level of certainty with a human being's level of certainty makes no sense.
God knows what I'll do in 10 years.
I do not.
I am only doing what god knew I was going to do before I did it.
I could make a sims game and program the sims every action I want it to perform til its end.
Then I click the play button and watch it live its life without my intrusion on its """"free will"""".
Being all knowing means you know all of my actions.
When, why and how I'll perform them.
So I ask you this one simple question:
If god knows I'll do "x", can I use my free will to NOT do x?
If the answer is no, then I do not have free will.
If yes, god cannot be all knowing.
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IssyFishyy It is reliable in almost every way.
It helped us know our place in the universe, that we aren't the centre as we had once believed. It helped us know that the Sun doesn't orbit the Earth, but vice versa.
As far as I'm concerned, it is a much more reliable method than religion, which is blind faith.
Evolution doesn't require faith, there are mountains of evidence coming from the fossil records, anatomy, comparison of DNA and much more.
The big bang theory doesn't require faith either, there is indirect evidence of this.
Let's begin with what the Doppler effect is.
I'm sure you've heard a change in pitch as a car drives past you. That's due to the sound waves being compressed as the waves approach you, then stretch when receding, thus causing a lower frequency.
Light works the same way, except instead of frequencies changing, color changes.
When light approaches you, it gives off a blue light and when it recedes, giving off a red light, hence the term "blueshift" and "redshift".
When Edwin Hubble (the man who built the Hubble telescope) looked at the night sky in 1929, he discovered the galaxies were moving further away from our point of view, they were redshifted, meaning they were moving further and further away and the galaxies that were much further away were moving at a much faster rate.
This means the Universe is expanding.
This can only mean, through logical deduction, that the universe had to have been smaller in the past and when you go far back enough, it only makes sense to it being extremely small, infinitesimally small.
There is also the CMBR (cosmic microwave background radiation) which is basically heat leftover after the big bang.
You should watch "Genius" by Stephen Hawking on Disney+, it is extremely helpful and informative.
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Free will is irrelevant to what I had said.
Free will or not, it is immoral to continue creating a universe in which you knew the results would be devastating.
It is also immoral to favour free will over the safety and wellbeing of others in the case and fact being that god knows already who is going to hell.
He has done nothing to help those who went to their death bed as atheists.
If he had, it would be obvious since gods ways are supposedly not our ways, right?
You need to stop attacking science and start questioning the logic of your own god and ask yourself why he set Adam and Eve up by conducting an unfair test that lead to an unnecessary blaming game.
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@Headless Horseman Okay, first of all, I'm not making up my own idea of God.
I'm including the fact that he knows everything, wants us in heaven, then tests us when he already knows who's gonna burn in hell.
It's simply a waste of time.
Because we're here rather than not, those who are believers say God WANTS to put us here because life is "such a gift."
I'm not dictating how God run the Universe, I'm just saying he knows the outcome of his little plan, where people go to heaven, others burn in hell.
No God should want Hell in their plan, it's almost like he's saying "Love me or I cast you into hell."
Second of all..
Are you saying it's evidence for God when those who wrote the Bible assumed people would question its validity?
Because it's not difficult to assume people won't believe you when you say there's a God and provide weak evidence.
It's not a miracle.
And fyi, IF the devil was manipulating me, God wouldn't blame ME for not believing, he would blame Satan.
Use your brain.
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@Orinoco Flow 1. You're afraid they're 'checking you out' wink
2. If the devil has manipulated my mind, I can't go to hell since I'm being "manipulated" unless God is a dick like that and will burn me in hell for thinking the way the devil made me.
3. The Bible is the claim, not the evidence.
Anything in the Bible, you will need to prove if you want rational people to believe.
Just because the Bible says it's the word of God, doesn't make it so.
Just like how in Islam, the quran claims to be the word of God, it does not make it so.
Belief is not evidence.
And if you're worshipping this God on a daily basis, then yes, you are religious.
Acting as if it is the truth doesn't make it true.
It may be true to you, which is a personal truth, doesn't make it true for the rest of the world.
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@Headless Horseman You are describing your personal God. The god you believe in. Last time I checked, there were hundreds of millions, if not billions of people that believe in their own personal God, so I don't see why you think your God is more special than theirs.
There has been no Noah's Ark, no one ever lived up to 950 years old, the oldest recorded person to live was a lady named Jean. She lived up to 122 years and she died in 1997.
There has been no recording of someone performing miracles in no legitimate history books (the bible is not a history book).
No one has ever come back from the dead 3 days later.
Simply because dead people do not come back.
No one can build an ark and lure 2 of every animal on the planet on a single boat and somehow not die or cause a ruckus, and by ruckus I mean, literally EAT the other animals.
Simply because, it did not happen.
It's all in a book, just like other mythical creatures are in a book, for example the flying horse which flew mohammed to heaven.
No one has ever seen someone turn water to wine, fly to heaven on a winged horse, have 2 of every animal on a single boat nor has anyone come back from the dead 3 days later. It just didn't happen, maybe over exaggerated, maybe just mere lies.
Miracles do not exist.
Things people consider miracles are subjective.
Coincidences are often taken as miracles. Very often.
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