Comments by "BeyerT1" (@derbigpr500) on "VW Golf GTI Clubsport S review: FWD Nurburgring record holder thrashed on track!" video.
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Please autoexpress, stop feeding the trolls by mentioning the freaking Civic Type R in every video related to nurburgring, as if that car is any sort of benchmark on that track. The lap time it did IS NOT VALID, and I honestly can't believe how many people ignore that and don't know it, or just act like they don't know it because they're Honda fanboys, and we all know how ignorant Honda fanboys can be. The same was true for the Seat Leon that did the record before, you can't buy either of them in the configuration that did the lap record. The only car that you can buy in the exact same spec was the Megane RS 275 Trophy Under 8 spec that did the 7:53 time, and now the GTI CSS. Any other laps are invalid because the car you buy won't be the same as the one that did the record, simple as that.
As for the Civic Type R:
1. It was a pre-production car, with a completely different suspension setup, made just for the Nurburgring, they actually spent weeks fine tuning it and they bought several time periods on the Nurburgring for themselves, so they could run the car on the track and find the fastest setup. You can hear that from people who were at the track at the time, spectators,drivers, etc. Read some forums, it's not that hard. Even visually on pictures online you can see that the record time car had significantly lower ride height and significantly more camber in the front and rear compared to the stock car.
2. Had no rear seat, no sound proofing, no sat nav / radio, no climate control.
3. It had a full on roll cage.
4. It definitely had a modified engine. Now if you don't believe that, there are plenty of Civic acceleration videos on Youtube. Grab yourself a stopwatch and go measure. You'll find that in all other independent videos of acceleration the times are pretty much the same. But on the Nurburging lap time video of the Civic, you'll see the car actually accelerated the same on UPHILL parts of the track as the actual Civics do on totally flat ground. Meaning that either the car was considerably lighter or at least had 50hp extra over the road version that you get when you buy it, maybe even more than 50. I'm an engineer so I've talked about that with many colleagues, and it's even possible that Honda used some sort of software that changed the the power output of the engine depending on the GPS position, so that it would compensate on the uphill segments, because it just accelerates too fast on uphills compared to flat parts of the tracks, it doesn't lose anywhere as near the amount of pace as all other car. Now unless you suggest Civic Type R defies the laws of physics, then something is afoot.
5. It had even stickier tires than the Golf, and those tires you CANNOT BUY, even Honda didn't reveal the exact model of the tire that was on the car that did the lap time, all they said it was a tire from major European manufacturer developed solely for that car, but the car you buy comes with we all know which tires, which weren't developed specifically for the Civic because they come on many cars, and they're not that extreme. So another difference between the record car and the road stock car. Golf has extreme tires, but they're still ROAD TIRES, they're not semi-slicks. You can also hear that by the tone of the squealing. The Civic Type R that did the record lap HAD semi-slick tires. Anyone who's driven a car on semi-slicks knows the specific squealing tone they make and the very specific slip angles that they have.
Point being, even Honda themselves never claimed that lap was an official record, because they know how much they "cheated" and how much different that car was to the one you get at the dealer.
It's just that Honda has such hardcore fanboys that they simply don't care for facts, they just decide to ignore them because it fits what they like to believe.
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You're wrong. First of all, the Civic lap time IS IRRELEVANT, because it was done with a preproduction car. I don't understand why people ignore that fact. The car was heavily modified and wasn't the same as you get when you buy it. Fact. Oh and it also didn't have the rear seats. Or the climate control, or sat nav, had a full roll cage, no sound proofing, etc. So the Honda was more modified and less usable than the Golf CS. On top of that, even the road version of the Type R is incredibly stiff and uncomfortable, genuinely one of the most uncomfortable cars money can buy. On top of that, the Golf is light years ahead in terms of quality, refinement, equipment, etc.
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