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Comments by "Big Blue" (@bigblue6917) on "1942 USCGC Icarus versus U-352 in torpedo alley, Updated episode" video.
The British offered to help the US with a strategy to fight the U-Boats but the American admiral in charged refused that help. He said he did not need help from the British. Echos of WW1 when Pershing refused help from the British and French as he knew how to win the war. Apparently bayonet charging German machinegun positions was how it should be done.
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Not the only ones Javier 86. US pilots for the Korean War have been said to have ended up in Russia and some aircrew from the Vietnam War, such as F4 radar operators are said to have ended up there.
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Makes you wonder who else they got. America was not alone in any of these conflicts. I know there was a suspicion for a long time that a British pilot who had been flying an F86 in Korea had the same fate. Turns out he had died in the crash but who else survived and ended up in Moscow.
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Now that would have been a good time to be a fly on the wall. More importantly what they talked about when they were not with each other. I think to be fair the average Russian citizen is no different to those from other countries, it's the governments we always seem to have problems with.
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Churchill said the same thing. He wanted to use nuclear bombs on Russia before they got their own.
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True
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A suggestion for a future video. During WW1 there was a peace group, to which Woodrow Wilson had become involved, and it came very close to succeeding. The problem was that Germany started unrestricted submarine warfare and Wilson could no longer support the peace group. I think it would make an excellent video.
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There are reports of Western Allied aircraft being shot down over Germany by Russian aircraft. The claim is they did not recognise them so assumed they were German. Now this is possible, except you would think they would have taken note of the marking. How would they mistake the blue circle and white star of a P51 as being German.
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Wilson was sidelined because he was ill-informed as to European conditions. John Maynard Keynes said of him "There can seldom have been a statesman of the first rank more incompetent than the President in the agilities of the council chamber," which was the prevailing judgement of the Treaty of Versailles conference. At Tehran FDR told Stalin that the US and the Soviet Union should work together and exclude Britain as it was an old colonial power. You would think that FDR would know that the Soviet Union was just another name for the old Russian Empire and that Stalin was its defacto Tzar. Also America is itself a colonial power. Just look at Puerto Rico. The US can require Puerto Rican's to fight in America war but the do not get a member of congress to have a say in that war. And the US capital also has no member of congress, though congress can, and does, interfere in local government in Washington. So what happened to no taxation without representation?
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Lack of resources is one thing but knowing what you need and how to use it is another. With that knowledge he could have been making decisions about how best to use what he had and what he would need. Instead people died and vital ships and supplies were lost. And bare in mind these ships had been escorted across the Atlantic under constant threat, at great expense and the danger to life and limb of the British Royal Navy and the merchant navy. All that only to find they were sunk so close to the coast of America that some German torpedoes were found on the beach. As personal interest. Two of those merchant navy sailors were paternal uncles.
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They had not been doing that for four years. Tactics had been evolving all the time. By the time of the 100 Days Campaign the British 4th Army in 1918, of which one corps was American troops, they had reached the stage of what we now call combined arms, where tanks, artillery and aircraft were being used to support the infantry. The British had developed self- propelled artillery and had taken the early steps for an infantry carrier. The French had perfected using artillery in a rolling barrage giving close support of the infantry so they were following just behind the rolling barrage. When being attacked and there was a chance of a breakthrough the Germans would reinforce that area. So the British would then attack elsewhere leaving the Germans with troops in the wrong place. The British campaign at Passchendaele in 1917 came close to defeating the Germans in France. The only thing that saved them was the unseasonably wet weather which made movement nearly impossible. The thing to remember here is this was a type of warfare no one had fought before, so there was no playbook anyone could go to and say this is what they needed to do. But the British and the French had been developing effective tactics to fight the battles throughout the war. And into this comes Pershing who has no idea about all of the advances in tactics telling everyone he knew how to win the war. I should say something about the American soldiers. They were excellent. I know reading about those sent for sniper training with the British that the instructor were all very impressed by them. Given the right training they fought well. And the same can be said of their officers. And I will say that once forced into making changes Pershing did the right thing. But he was still sending in attacks right up to the last minute. Attacks which cost American soldiers lives. Attacks which were not needed.
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Oh to have been a fly on the wall.
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The Russians did this all the time with their Aeroflot aircraft. Have you ever wondered why only their aircraft had a glazed nose. Not used on any other civilian airline.
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We all know about Russian pilots flying for North Korea, but how many flew for North Vietnam?
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Andrew Emery I remember reading about one of North Vietnam's top pilots and from what I read he seemed to be much better then his fellow countrymen. So, remembering the Korean War you do start to think that maybe his "fellow countrymen" were from a different country. Having said that I know that when Eisenhower stopped the USAF/CIA reconnaissance flights over Russia they were taken over by the British Royal Airforce. They even used USAF aircraft though I think they put RAF markings on them. Once the English Electric Canberra bomber started flying with the RAF these were used for reconnaissance instead. They were such a good aircraft America built them as the B47.
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True RonJohn63 At the end of the day what matters is getting the job done with the minimum causalities to your own side in both men and materials. Sinking a U-Boat or two helps as well. They had a similar problem in WW1 in that Pershing thought he knew better then the French and British, and that got a lot of very brave Americans killed. When the armistice came into effect on 11th November he was still sending in attacks against the Germans, attacks which cost American lives. Many of his senior officers thought he should have been charged with murder for those action.
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I would not be surprised.
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Interesting thought but as Iraq had been fighting Iran I am sure they had many experienced pilots. And I am sure the Allied intel would have picked up on it if they did. Plus when they did that stupid stunt of flying their best aircraft to Iran you would expect their best pilots to be flying them.
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As we know the Mig 25's only purpose was to catch the XB70 Valkyrie. It was a flying brick.
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To the best of my knowledge no RAF crews were lost and once the Canberra came into service it proved a much better aircraft.
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