Comments by "Archangel17" (@MDP1702) on "Channel 4 News" channel.

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  5. CFHforever  I'll now adress your post and if I find time I'll adress the video's you used as argumentation. so obama told us that gdp growth over 2.5% would never happen and all we could do was manage the decline. It DID NOT grow under obama and attributing it to him is a common dem tactic When did he say that? It would be weird that he'd say that, seeing he had gdp growth's of up to 5.1 in comparison to Trumps best so far at 4.1. Maybe he might have said it in his first term, but for his second that would be weird. Just like he inherited a bad economy from Bush, Bush got a good economy from evil Clinton, Clinton got a bad economy from Bush sr. They do it every time. If it is the truth, then what could you say otherwise? Can you show me that it is wrong? That the economy at the end of Obama and Clinton wasn't booming and at the end of Bush's terms failing? (PS I never claimed Bush sr gave a bad economy to Clinton, I wasn't there, I haven't looked into that and won't support this claim without evidence, which there is for Clinton-Bush-Obama) As far as separation of families at the border, that was an existing obama policy, even though the dems encouraged people to bring children to help them ILLEGALLY enter the country. Obama's policy of detention of illegal immigrants happened during a period with a lot of new arrivals/crossings, like 1,5 times as many as now, and only on a non-frequent basis where children seperated from their family (in cases where there is more illegal activity than just illegally crossing the border, like also smuggling drugs). This compared to the Trump administration who made it a standard practice to seperate children from their parents and then even call these children "unaccompanied minors", while they were originally accompanied by someone. So your claim that this was a practice also executed by Obama is a gross overexaggeration. You know why Trump had this policy implemented? Because in his first few months the number of new arrivals was unusually low and he claimed this was his doing. When after that the numbers started to rise again to normal levels, he freaked out, suddenly he couldn't claim low numbers anymore. I also wish to note that Trumps deportation numbers are still around the same as in Obama's first term and that Obama had the largest amount deportations of any US president. Not to mention the problems with child trafficking at the border. Many of the people bringing children aren't even related to the children they're bringing. Numbers and evidence please, thank you. And unemployment barely moved under obama. In october 2009 the U-6 unemployement rate was at 17.10%, in December 2016 it was reduced to 9.10%. In my eyes an 8% reduction can't really be classified as barely moved. This is a yearly decline of 1.14%, Trump's average unemployement decline so far is 0.88% each year, so 0.26% lower. Thy hey claim to have created however many million jobs, but it doesn't equal the jobs lost under obama. When Obama entered office the U-6 was at 9.2%, when he left is was 9.1%. From these numbers you could assume that he created only few jobs (and definitely more than were lost), but he became President in 2008. The first year of a presidents term, they are still working on the budget and policies from the previous president, and it is in that year that most jobs were lost due to the 2008 crisis. In january 2009 the U-6 was already at 14.2%, going from this to 9.1% already indicates the creation of many jobs. But a crisis like in 2008 isn't easily stopped and dealt with. The ultimate point at which Obama's policies changed is around when the U-6 was at its maximum of 17.1%. Again to reach from this back to 9.1%, you need to create a shitload of jobs. Where you get your us news? Bbc? Think for yourself, you've been lied to I do think for myself, I don't watch the Bbc, fox, whatever. I research things myself and look for statistics and different explanations. I can hardly be lied to by US media if I don't follow US media.
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  7. The economic crisis was due to bushes policies. The first few months of a presidents term the economy is still a conqsequence of the previous president (Trump even took credit for the good economy that back then was still a consequence of Obama's policies). The crisis was caused due to mostly deregulation under the bush administration, meaning Bush isn't just responsible for the failed wars in the middle east, but also for the crisis. Scandals? Iran deal a scandal? Even though any great european ally of the US supported it and it actually was a good deal for both parties? Collapse of Obamacare? You mean the thing that was based on an original republican plan that the gop blocked every way they could? Obama even said that the ACA wasn't ready or good yet and that it needed a lot of improvements. What did the reps do? Basically getting rid of it, without a real alternative. Everyone in the world living in a country with healthcare and who has some intelligence could see that it would fail/failed because it didn't go far enough and still left way too much power in the hands of the private insurance companies. Uneamployement at 12%? Like that isn't normal after the greatest economical crisis since the '29 crash. And it actually was at it's highest 10% and this was halved to 5% by the time he left office and the same trend is still going on now under Trump, a great deal due to Obama's policies still. Or do you maybe mean the U-6 unemployement stats, which at it's highest were 17% and after Obama less then 10% (and again going down at the same speed under Trump). This was in 2000 at it's lowest point at 6.9%. After bush it was 9.10%, so despite a strong economic crisis, Obama got it at the same result as it was when he went in, Bush even with a good running economy couldn't stop it from going up by 2.2% by the end of his term. Fast and furious? You mean an operation like one which already once had been executed in 2006. The operation of which was later found that ATF agents were at fault and that the head of the justice departement didn't even knew about it, let alone the president?
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