Comments by "Archangel17" (@MDP1702) on "carwow" channel.

@TheW89 There's no specific cars for different temps There however are different aggregates in the fuel you use depending on the climate. Anyway, so what? If you can't use an EV yet in colder climates, bad luck (though considering EV's are outselling ICE in Norway, the cold doesn't seem to be a great problem for most users). Car manufacturers aren't going to design an EV for colder climates for just the +-100-200million population in the colder area's (which would represent maybe max 50-75 million sales over 5-10 years, spread out over the many car brands). At best they'll do updates they'd do anyway, like installing a more efficient heatpump. * -10/-15 is far from extreme and is completely normal* It is extreme for most regions. Anything lower than Scandivia in Europe will reach those temps maybe a few times a year at night (so no traffic). Russian population alone is more than 100 million. Yes, but most of the Russian population doesn't live in the colder area's. Lets be really generous and say 50% of Russia lives in such cold temperatures (regularly occuring more than maybe 5-10 times a year), so 75 million. Add to that Northern Europe +-21 million. Canada 38 million Northern US If we're generous 50 million Iceland +-300k Mongolia + Kazakhstan +-22 million and even Souther Europe What the hell are you on about here? So in the end when being very generous you'd get +-207 million, fine it is more than my initial number that was just meant to make a point. It isn't like this is changing anything. I already know how those cars deal with cold. Badly. Then what is the point coming on here? Like, you are complaining about EV's regarding cold temperatures on a video that specifically focuses on regions where your named temperatures would be very rarely achieved? If you know, why bother? Because you don't agree with the definition of winter temperatures? Guess what, these temperatures differ from region to region, and so will the notion of winter temperatures. And for most of the world -10/-15°C are extreme temperatures, experiencing them maybe once a year or never and usually at night when there is no traffic. I live just 700km's south from Norway and I can probably count the times the temperature reached less than -10°C in my 26 years on my two hands. Do EV's not fit your personal requirements? Fine, buy an ICE or a hybride, who tf cares?
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@vasme973 I'd argue this is a problem for both EV's and gas cars, especially since gas cars need their engines running the whole time, while the EV would only use secondary systems (heating, lights, ...). This is winter btw, in most of the world -10°C is very rare, you'll need to be in the upper northern hemisphere (Canada, Scandinavia and Russia essentially, maybe some parts of upper US) to get these temps on a regular interval.
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@TheW89 -10/-15°C is extremely cold for most of the world, just because it isn't cold for you, doesn't mean that should be the metric for everyone. Like it or not, but most people live in area's where even -5°C is unusual. Overall probably around less than 100 million people in the world live in those colder area's, compared to the other 7800 million people that don't. If you want to know how these cars deal with the cold, check out youtubers/reviewers from colder area's, not the UK. Or even there aren't any, just detract +-20% extra from the range to be safe.
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@TheW89 The whole Russia sees temps lower than that Moscow on average only sees temps of -10°C a few times a year and that is the minimal temp, thus at night, the lowest average there is around -5/-7°C. And more to the south it will be even higher. So this is clearly a wrong statement. Northern US has far more than just 50 million people. Not unless you are going to add NYC and regions more to the south to it. This while NYC sees an average temp of no lower than -3/-4°C in the winter. So which parts of Northern US would you add to regularly experience -10/-15°C? Southern Europe has mountains -> colder weather up there. And most people don't live high up in the mountains, only a small negligable amount do this. So in the end you calculate the poor population, like africa, to be a potential buyers of electric cars. No, I don't. I was speaking about the winter temperatures and the significance for car producers. No, remove them from calculations Why should I, the EV's will still work properly there. And whoops, you got big part of the potential buyers in areas where temps get below -10C. No, you wouldn't. Even if eliminate Africa, Middle-east and poor asian countries, we'll still be talking about several billions of people vs 200 million in the very cold regions. I can't watch car reviews and stay up to date? What are YOU doing here? I wasn't asking why you watch this review, I was asking why you are complaining about this noth being winter temperatures, even though they are for most of the world, and definitely for the region reviewed in this video. The video isn't focusing on any regions. No? I could swear they were driving in the UK, not all over the world. You clearly do bother I don't bother about what you drive, I bother about stupid complaining about this not fitting your specific special region of the world. what are you here crying for then if I call -10C normal? Because -10°C isn't normal for most of the world and definitely not the region this review was done in. "=/ Still not usable, especially in winter. Long road ahead for normal people to use electric vehicles." This was your initial statement. And you just said it is not usable in winter, it is. Maybe just not your winter, and even then this isn't accurate. It is usable in your winter for longer distances. Why do you care about traffic that much? Sorry, I must have mixed up this thread with another one where someone was talking about being stuck in traffic in cold conditions. I am not going to bother with this anymore, I guess I'll in future just ignore irrelevant statements like yours, just as probably everyone else does.
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@petelattimer6808 Where I live every lane change need to be indicated, even if no one is around. In reality people ofcourse don't do this and the police doesn't really cares much as long as there isn't a dangerous situation, but still it is mandatory, even if there are no people around. There can always be people you missed/didn't see and it is better to automatically indicate everytime even when not necessary than forgetting to indicate even just once when it is necessary.
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@TheW89 I think you need to improve your comprehensive reading skills. But I am done this nonsense now.
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@siraff4461 because around 7,4 billion people in the world use metric, less than 450 million people use imperial.
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One thing that you might consider here is that these are smaller cars, so it could be that some of them were more optimised for driving in city/suburbs, rather than motorway driving compared to the larger cars. Since most of this test is on the motorway, this might be more detrimental for the cars that did this. This obviously doesn't take away that they didn't reach their mark (peugeot and corsa), but still. This might also be a partial explanation as to why certain cars lasted surprisingly longer once leaving the motorway. And when now visiting the peugeot website here in Belgium, it literally says "at a stable speed of 130km/h (+-80m/h) the range of a 100% electric vehicle is halved compared to its overall WLTP range". There even is an little interactive range calculator, and at 110km/h (+-69m/h) and a temp of 30°C with airco, the range is said to be 216 km (135m), which it exceeded. Clearly the WLTP value of the 208-e is known to be completely off at higher speeds and temps.
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@brianbenoit6883 2/3rds of the worlds population experience -40°C regularly? Are you serious? I hope you are trolling, otherwise you're woefully misinformed.
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well, if it is near the end of its charge, I feel like they should show others. Let's say it doesn't show others untill under 10% or something.
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@jwstolk And what if you are in an area with no supercharger close enough?
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Personally I find nearly any car you mentioned better looking than this one, only the Tesla maybe less. I don't know why, but I just get a 'fake look' and dull feeling with this car.
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@siraff4461 The top 2% control almost all the money so does that mean we should ignore them since so many more people have so little? This is a completely different thing and a nonsensical comparison. Oh and you're way off with your guess. Really? So what is it?
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You can easily get those numbers yourself using the average use (miles/kWh) and total miles driven.
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@be236 They mention it during the video also.
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@be236 Theb others will likely just ask for other metrics to be put, like car price, storage capacity, weight, ... You can keep putting more info in that table. In the end the most important data is shown and that is what matters.
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@Backs4more I don't know how realistic that I-pace calculator is. In Urban the heating causes you to lose significantly more compared to highway, only thing that could explain this is that the heating depends on the airflow. There are several methods to heat up your car electrically, and likely a combination is better for really cold area's (so you have efficient methods for both urban and highway driving). Anyway regarding heating, there can be a huge difference on heating/airco power use between EV's. Hell, even in highway-urban difference there can be large gaps between cars, depending mostly on the aerodynamics of the cars in question.
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There are more than enough warnings before you run out of juice, not to mention that the max available speed goes down overtime. In order to run out of juice on the middle lane, you'd have to be driving like 10-15mph for quite some time, no one in their right mind would do that. It is more likely that someone runs out of gas on the middle lane than out of juice. And yes, currently EV's are still more expensive, it is expected they'll be as expensive as ICE to buy around 2025 and cost (much) less over the lifetime of the car.
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