Comments by "Archangel17" (@MDP1702) on "A Different Bias"
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@GeorgeGeorgeOnly
So, given the combined European membership of NATO (if say they were to represent themselves as one under the EU flag), what are the proportions now in terms of balance of power?
US would still hold the main power, however it definitely would be more like equals.
At this moment EU members in nato would spend around 300-350 billion in their military if they spend 2% of their GDP (which would be the most likely target for a EU army), while the US spends 700-1000 billion into their armed forces (official budget is around 730 billion, but much of the presidents discretionary budget also flows to the military, how much this is exactly I can't tell) which makes up for around 3,6 to 5% of their GDP, so probably double that of what the EU would set as their goal.
Now, in terms of strength it might get closer than you would think based on these numbers. The US spends a lot on maintaining many foreign bases and waging costly "large scale" military operations globally, while this offers more global power, it offers little to regional/base power in terms of bang for bucks, which is what the EU would probably focus on (more defensively orientated). And especially Nato would be focused on the region around Europe. Furthermore it isn't exactly clear how efficient US spending is used. If the EU spends it more efficiently it might in the long term match US "regional" or "base" power with lower spending. For example, Russia only spends 60-70 billion on defense, but is still considered the world second strongest military with several innovations.
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@GeorgeGeorgeOnly
It doesn't govern NATO in that they can make the others do what it wants. However, thanks to its power and influence the US can often push NATO members to do what it wants, however in the end the members ofcourse can still decide themselves. And they definitely are seen as the leader of the alliance, though sometimes large european nations (Germany, France, ...) try to push back against this.
A united EU in NATO would definitely be more seen as a "co-leader". Then again besides these two, the only other members are Canada, Iceland, Albania, Montenegro and Turkey. It is therefor possible that a united EU army might lead to a degrade to a more regular military alliance of the US, EU, Canada, Turkey and Iceland. Albania and Montenegro are likely to eventually join the EU if it exists long enough and could just be guaranteed by the EU untill then. But this would be rather far into the future either way.
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@twat240
But what if, for example, they make one on the right to live? Something that no one could ever contest, something that's very clear? Well would that be used to block any form of abortion whatsoever? Or block euthanasia?
Ofcourse whenyou make a constitutional law, you always make sure to be very carefull with the wording and lots of experts would look at it and try to find possible unwanted implications and change it to account for something.
And if you are somehow blocked, you'd try find a workaround. In your example, they'd just say that because the embryo up to week x isn't alive/viable to live yet (medically), it therefor doesn't have the right to live yet and therefor an abortion untill week x is possible. In case of euthanasia, it is even more easy, the right to live doesn't mean you are forced/obligated to live and therefor you can choose to end your live/have you live ended. You see how important the wording can be? And if it is absolutely impossible to get around, you just need to change the constitution. In fact, this is exactly what Ireland did.
Particularly as we don't have proportional voting
If you get a written constitution, maybe at the same time you can chance to PR. But again, it mostly depends on the UK situation and yes, the UK the situation at the moment is difficult. In my eyes partly because the UK is falling/has fallen behind other democracies on democratic systems (FPTP and constitution).
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@Willywin
first it was, the economy will collapse as soon as you vote to Leave
then it was the economy will collapse when you invoke Article 50
Just few people actually said this and this would was always more dependent on how markets would react and wasn't a 'collapse' as you say, rather a hit to for example the pound. The markets reacted better than expected, possibly because essentially nothing was clear or decided at those moments, for all they knew the EU and UK would reach a deal that would cause nothing to change in terms of trade.
And for the record, the pound has been falling the last few years compared to the euro and there has been a lot of investment moved out of the UK to the EU or investment that was expected to be done in the UK put on hold or moved to the EU. Does this mean there was no investment? Ofcourse not. And again, a lot of bussiness wanted to first see what would happen, if you don't need to move production, work, whatever obviously it would be cheaper to not move it. Much will again depend on how bussiness will react now to the deal reached and the actual impact of brexit/end of transition.
then it was the economy will collapse when we left on Jan31st
Anyone who said this was just stupid, the transition agreement ensured essentially nothing would change in terms of trade for almost another year. So why would the economy collapse at that point?
then it was the economy will collapse at the end of the transition period
It would collapse without a deal, guess what, a deal has been reached, so any economic impact won't be as worse as could have been according to the worst case scenario.
Besides this, only one day has gone by: a holiday during lockdowns, so a negative outcome can still come. Moreover most people that know what they speak about said the hardest hits would come overtime, initially not noticed, unlike covid which hit directly and has a direc huge impact, the brexit impact to the economy will happen over a prolongued time almost unnoticed while it is happening.
'There would be queues miles long from the get go - then when there are no queues - 'well there's no trade...'
Well, yeah, there is no trade, get the numbers yourself if you don't believe it. It is a holiday, with lockdowns, uncertainty among hauling companies on what to do/what will happen especially after what happened last week, ... So obviously there aren't lines now. Sure some people said there would be queues immediately, the problem is, this was under the assumption that there would be as much trade as usual, there isn't. Last week we could already see how much impact a temporary closure had after a few hours, eventually the impact lasted for days after the border was opened again. That there will be delays at Dover is not disputed, even the British government has prepared for it.
Now at some point I am sure there will be some minor disruption somewhere which will be quickly resolved as companies and Governments in Europe want to sell hassle free to the UK as well
You do know that the UK governments position is to get deliveries into the UK as hassle free as possible (since this involves things like food, medication, essential supplies, .... things that will immediately be noticed by the population if missing), even if it means just waving them through upon entering the UK. It is the EU that plans to treat the border as it is: a border. The delays are expected to hit traffic coming from the UK to the EU and the EU can't care less about that.
But you need to move on, everyone else has, Labor, Lib Dems, the EU
Oh, don't worry, we have moved on and accept the UK is out, you already were out almost a year ago, and I am happy about that, I would have detested another extension. But just because we have moved on, doesn't mean we can't look at and expect/discuss the impact of brexit. Labor does this too, as do the lib dems, EU, ...
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