Comments by "Archangel17" (@MDP1702) on "Cop kicks phone out of teen's hand, shoots 7 times" video.

the kid attacked him after the cop tazed him for no apparant reason while he was on the ground. This could have been an intuitive reaction of self defense. At the very least the cop should be charged with battery and assault. I am not saying the kid wasn't playing it wrong, he played the entire situation wrong. But if you have to taze someone whose on the ground when this person is slightly resisting, than how can you be qualified to be a cop? A trained cop should be able to restrain this person untill back-up arrives without having to resolve to tazing. The cop clearly is using his tazer way too soon. And everything after that is a result of this over-exaggerated respons
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creativeKnowledge Mike What facts did you give? How can you give facts on this if we are in fact talking about opinions on whether or not the officer did anything wrong. You could say he didn't break the law, but than it's reduced to opinions on the justice/correctness of the law
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Marshall Dan the kid didn't attack the cop untill after being tased. The cop made the situation worse and actually build up to having to use his gun. You don't just need to look to the reason why a cop shoots, you also need to look to the reason why that reason occured. The cop shouldn't be punished for shooting, but he should be punished for aggravating the situation when using his taser. It happens to often that people look at the seconds before something happens and not to how these moments come to be. The officer definitely is in fault here. If not for unjustified shooting, it's for aggravating the situation, battery and assault.
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XxEvoXPeak2xX He didn't listen? Sure he might not have listened to some minor aspects, but he came out of the car and went on the ground when told too. If you need to taze someone to show that he's not playing around is really pathetic for a trained police officer. But perhaps this is how they train cops in the US. If a cop uses a tazer in any european country in the same situation, he'd be fired and charged with assault and battery. No mater how you want to spin it, the tazing made the situation worse, not better. Like I mentioned the attack could have been an intuitive reaction as selfdefense. At that moment it's possible that the victim doesn't have full control over himself anymore. Also there was back up on it's way (around 1:30 min out I believe), so the cop only would have had to restrain him for that period of time. If you can't do that to a man who's on the ground (and doesn't seem that strong) without tazing, you're not fit to be on the streets.
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creativeKnowledge Mike To me it doesn't matter whether someone is black, caucasian or anything else. I am not a racist and nothing I said would imply this. You are trying to divert the attention from what we are actually speaking about without any obvious good reasons.
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XxEvoXPeak2xX A taser is the last thing to use before tou use your gun. The situation didn't justified this action and is in my eyes police brutality. If this is how it's thought to future police officers and is condoned by people like yourselves, I am not surprised the US police has such a negative image in the eyes of many US citizens and other people all over the world
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+creativeKnowledge Mike I don't directly understand what you're trying to say?
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creativeKnowledge Mike I don't agree with that either. In my eyes either there is a problem in the education of the police, the system afterwards or/and they get of too easy when they make a mistake with serious consequences, whether it's with black or white victims, I don't distinguise.
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Marshall Dan I am not defending the kid, but I am critizing the cops actions. Even if the tazing isn't that bad, there was no good reason to taze this kid at that moment. There are other less violent options that he could have used first in my opinion.
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Marshall Dan well, I think it went long enough before the tazing to get the picture. The kid was on the ground, didn't really seem that strong/large and back-up was on the way, if the officer just like kept his knee on the back of the kid, he wouldn't have been able to get up and attack the officer, once back up arrived keeping things under control shouldn't really have been a problem imo
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Marshall Dan I didn't meant to imply this was on purpose, just perhaps a bad judgement call or perhaps a mistake/... in training. guilty untill proven innocent or innocent untill proven guilty is a tricky thing for police officers. For example if a cop shoots someone with deadly consequences, there's definitely going to be an investigation/inquiry. I believe this is procedure. This could be guilty untill proven innocent. But what is the great difference between these two? Guilty untill proven innocent (GUPI): the defendant needs to prove he didn't made mistake innocent untill proven guilty (IUPG): the accuser has to prove he made a mistake. what I am doing is perhaps walking the line between those two, but I based my opinion on the footage, and made my mind up afterwards, which I believed is closer to IUPG. If it was GUPI, I'd say well, you killed someone, so you're guilty. I am not blaming him for the 'murder' just partially for the cause.
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