Comments by "J Nagarya" (@jnagarya519) on "How Could People Think God Sent This Moron? (with David French) | The Bulwark Podcast" video.
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@edwardbaker1331 A belief that is false exists; but that it exists does not make it true.
And this isn't about "animosity," simpleton: it is about REASON. Let's see if your are not so profoundly shallow that you can grasp reason:
Not five minutes ago "God" talked to me. And "He" said that he has never, in the entire endless history of infinity, talked to any other human.
Well, yeah -- I can't prove that, but you can't disprove it.
That's why reason requires EVIDENCE.
And why Christ instructed that one practice one's "religion" IN PRIVATE -- because the public showing off of one's "piety" is egotism based on being judgmental of others as inferior because you run for necessary doubt and can't stand others believing differently than you. I love the way the FOUNDERS put you bullying cranks in your place:
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From the North Carolina constitution adopted on December 18, 1776:
"XXXI. That no clergyman, or preacher of the gospel, of any denomination, shall be capable of being a member of either the Senate, House of Commons, or Council of State, while he continues in the exercise of the pastoral function.
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"XXXIV. That there shall be no establishment of any one religious church or denomination in this State, in preference to any other; neither shall any person, on any pretence whatsoever, be compelled to attend any place of worship contrary to his own faith or judgment, nor be obliged to pay, for the purchase of any glebe, or the building of any house of worship, or for the maintenance of any minister or ministry, contrary to what he believes right, or has voluntarily and personally engaged to perform; but all persons shall be at liberty to exercise their own mode of worship:--_Provided_, That nothing herein contained shall be construed to exempt preachers of treasonous or seditious discourses, from legal trial and punishment."
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From the constitution of Georgia adopted on February 5, 1777:
"Art. LVI. All persons whatever shall have the free exercise of their religion; provided it be not repugnant to the peace and safety of the State; and shall not, unless by consent, support any teacher or teachers except those of their own profession."
"Art. LXII. No clergyman of any denomination shall be allowed a seat in the legislature."
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From New York constitution adopted on April 20. 1777:
XXXIX. And whereas the ministers of the gospel are, by their profession, dedicated to the service of God and the care of souls, and ought not to be diverted from the great duties of their function; therefore, no minister of the gospel, or priest of any denomination whatsoever, shall, at any time hereafter, under any pretence or description whatever, be eligible to, or capable of holding, any civil or military office or place within this State.
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@Francisco50771 From the North Carolina constitution adopted on December 18, 1776:
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"XXXIV. That there shall be no establishment of any one religious church or denomination in this State, in preference to any other; neither shall any person, on any pretence whatsoever, be compelled to attend any place of worship contrary to his own faith or judgment, nor be obliged to pay, for the purchase of any glebe, or the building of any house of worship, or for the maintenance of any minister or ministry, contrary to what he believes right, or has voluntarily and personally engaged to perform; but all persons shall be at liberty to exercise their own mode of worship:--_Provided_, That nothing herein contained shall be construed to exempt preachers of treasonous or seditious discourses, from legal trial and punishment."
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And that is because the Founders realized that it can't be proven that there IS a "God".
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@tonimartine370 It can't be proven there's a "God" -- therefore it can't be proven that illiterate sheep herders were talked to by anyone let alone a "God".
Reason requires more EVIDENCE than mere word from finite and imperfect humans who are prone to error and lying.
This is how the Founders put your subjectivist rejection of fact and reason in its place:
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From the North Carolina constitution adopted on December 18, 1776:
"XXXI. That no clergyman, or preacher of the gospel, of any denomination, shall be capable of being a member of either the Senate, House of Commons, or Council of State, while he continues in the exercise of the pastoral function.
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"XXXIV. That there shall be no establishment of any one religious church or denomination in this State, in preference to any other; neither shall any person, on any pretence whatsoever, be compelled to attend any place of worship contrary to his own faith or judgment, nor be obliged to pay, for the purchase of any glebe, or the building of any house of worship, or for the maintenance of any minister or ministry, contrary to what he believes right, or has voluntarily and personally engaged to perform; but all persons shall be at liberty to exercise their own mode of worship:--_Provided_, That nothing herein contained shall be construed to exempt preachers of treasonous or seditious discourses, from legal trial and punishment."
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From the constitution of Georgia adopted on February 5, 1777:
"Art. LVI. All persons whatever shall have the free exercise of their religion; provided it be not repugnant to the peace and safety of the State; and shall not, unless by consent, support any teacher or teachers except those of their own profession."
"Art. LXII. No clergyman of any denomination shall be allowed a seat in the legislature."
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From New York constitution adopted on April 20. 1777:
XXXIX. And whereas the ministers of the gospel are, by their profession, dedicated to the service of God and the care of souls, and ought not to be diverted from the great duties of their function; therefore, no minister of the gospel, or priest of any denomination whatsoever, shall, at any time hereafter, under any pretence or description whatever, be eligible to, or capable of holding, any civil or military office or place within this State.
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Those, and equivalent provisions in the other states constitutions, eventuated in the First Amendment separation of "religion" and gov't.
The US Constitution, by its own express terms, is the SUPREME Law of the Land. There is NO "higher law".
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@SherryHill-k5y You've actually STUDIED "all past societies"? Including their level of education, illiteracy, and critical thinking? Because ignorance is the basic tradition, your assertion is meaningless.
It is also meaningless and also ignorant is this fact:
Most societies believed in MULTIPLE "Gods" -- not a single "supreme being"; see as examples Greek mythology and Indian Hinduism. It is only with the pre-Christian era that all those "Gods" were consolidated into a single "God"(though Catholicism posits a "father, son, AND "holy ghost") -- and the "God" of the "Old Testament" is a mass-murder-ordering TYRANT who blames and punishes the IMPERFECT humans "He" created, instead of taking responsibility for making them IMPERFECT and therefore bound to screw up.
You're also wrong to believe that "believing" a thing makes the thing believed true -- or makes it actually exist. Can you imagine flying without having an airplane? -- yes. Can you IN REALITY fly without an airplane? NO! Can you "BELIEVE" the FALSE FANTASY that you can fly without an airplane? Certainly -- but that belief, being a false fantasy, would be FALSE.
That's why THINKING is an ACTIVE process, whereas "belief" is a resting point. CRITICAL THINKING evaluates the BELIEF to determine whether it is true OR FALSE. Or, neutrally, not proven.
What the claims about a "supreme being" are about is FEAR OF DEATH. NO ONE knows what occurs when one dies. But the alternative to the fear is "hope" -- and generated fantasies about it. So "religion" provides made-up "answers" to questions that have no answer.
Believing a thing DOES NOT automagically also make it true.
How can an imperfect, finite human comprehend infinitude and perfection? S/he cannot; one can "believe" that infinity and perfection exist, but the finite, imperfect human cannot KNOW they do.
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@marciamariethompson6463 None of that proves there's a "God" that, according to finite imperfect human speculation, is beyond the conception of finite imperfect humans.
You're a subjectivist who rejects facts and reason -- including the fact that illiterates in a "Bible" that claimed the "whole world" was flooded -- before it was proven the world is round, and before there was any knowledge of any "world" outside the Middle East desert -- and who claimed they heard voices, and that the "voices" were "God," provided a shred of proof for any of that.
This is how the Founders put you subjectivists in your place:
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From the North Carolina constitution adopted on December 18, 1776:
"XXXI. That no clergyman, or preacher of the gospel, of any denomination, shall be capable of being a member of either the Senate, House of Commons, or Council of State, while he continues in the exercise of the pastoral function.
. . . .
"XXXIV. That there shall be no establishment of any one religious church or denomination in this State, in preference to any other; neither shall any person, on any pretence whatsoever, be compelled to attend any place of worship contrary to his own faith or judgment, nor be obliged to pay, for the purchase of any glebe, or the building of any house of worship, or for the maintenance of any minister or ministry, contrary to what he believes right, or has voluntarily and personally engaged to perform; but all persons shall be at liberty to exercise their own mode of worship:--_Provided_, That nothing herein contained shall be construed to exempt preachers of treasonous or seditious discourses, from legal trial and punishment."
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From the constitution of Georgia adopted on February 5, 1777:
"Art. LVI. All persons whatever shall have the free exercise of their religion; provided it be not repugnant to the peace and safety of the State; and shall not, unless by consent, support any teacher or teachers except those of their own profession."
"Art. LXII. No clergyman of any denomination shall be allowed a seat in the legislature."
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From New York constitution adopted on April 20. 1777:
XXXIX. And whereas the ministers of the gospel are, by their profession, dedicated to the service of God and the care of souls, and ought not to be diverted from the great duties of their function; therefore, no minister of the gospel, or priest of any denomination whatsoever, shall, at any time hereafter, under any pretence or description whatever, be eligible to, or capable of holding, any civil or military office or place within this State.
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Those state constitution provisions, and their equivalents in other state constitutions, eventuated in the First Amendment separation of "religion" and gov't.
Gov't is by definition RULE OF LAW. Your rejection of the rule of law is ANTI-AMERICAN.
Last but not least: Christ instructed his adherents to practice their "religion IN PRIVATE -- not to bullyingly push your lawless crap into others faces in arrogant pretense that you're holier-than-though.
Christianity is compassion and decency. Learn at least to respect others by learning to be decent in both word and action. Else you'll continue to get put back in your place by the rule of law.
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