Comments by "J Nagarya" (@jnagarya519) on "How Christians Are Ending American Democracy (w/ Katherine Stewart) | The Michael Steele Podcast" video.

Or be prosecuted for involving themselves in politics. Taxing them would eliminate separation of "religion" and gov't. Taxing them is a stupid idea: the deal was that they won't be taxed and they will stay out of politics. The separation is between subjectivism -- "religion" -- and OBJECTIVE LAW -- GOV'T..
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They don't want gov't interfering in "religion" -- which is why the separation.
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@Kapk1896 Nope. It's in the first state constitutions: no one should be required to support a "religion" of which they were not an adherent. And paying taxes authorizes one to participate in politics. "Religions" don't want politics interfering in their practices? -- then "religion" agrees to stay out of politics. None of that is speculation or hypothesis -- ___ North Carolina Constitution, Begun November 12, 1776, Completed December 18, 1776. "XXXI. That no clergyman, or preacher of the gospel, of any denomination, shall be capable of being a member of either the Senate, House of Commons, or Council of State, while he continues in the exercise of the pastoral function. . . . . "XXXIV. That there shall be no establishment of any one religious church or denomination in this State, in preference to any other; neither shall any person, on any pretence whatsoever, be compelled to attend any place of worship contrary to his own faith or judgment, nor be obliged to pay, for the purchase of any glebe, or the building of any house of worship, or for the maintenance of any minister or ministry, contrary to what he believes right, or has voluntarily and personally engaged to perform; but all persons shall be at liberty to exercise their own mode of worship:--_Provided_, That nothing herein contained shall be construed to exempt preachers of treasonous or seditious discourses, from legal trial and punishment." ___ Constitution of Georgia adopted on February 5, 1777: "Art. LVI. All persons whatever shall have the free exercise of their religion; provided it be not repugnant to the peace and safety of the State; and shall not, unless by consent, support any teacher or teachers except those of their own profession." "Art. LXII. No clergyman of any denomination shall be allowed a seat in the legislature." ___ Constitution of New York, April 20, 1777. XXXVIII. And whereas we are required, by the benevolent principles of rational liberty, not only to expel civil tyranny, but also to guard against that spiritual oppression and intolerance wherewith the bigotry and ambition of weak and wicked priests and princes have scourged mankind, this convention doth further, in the name and by the authority of the good people of this State, ordain, determine, and declare, that the free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or preference, shall forever hereafter be allowed, within this State, to all mankind: Provided, That the liberty of conscience, hereby granted, shall not be so construed as to excuse acts of licentiousness, or justify practices inconsistent with the peace or safety of this State. XXXIX. And whereas the ministers of the gospel are, by their profession, dedicated to the service of God and the care of souls, and ought not to be diverted from the great duties of their function; therefore, no minister of the gospel, or priest of any denomination whatsoever, shall, at any time hereafter, under any presence or description whatever, be eligible to, or capable of holding, any civil or military office or place within this State. XL. And whereas it is of the utmost importance to the safety of every State that it should always be in a condition of defence; and it is the duty of every man who enjoys the protection of society to be prepared and willing to defend it; this convention therefore, in the name and by the authority of the good people of this State, doth ordain, determine, and declare that the militia of this State, at all times hereafter, as well in peace as in war, shall be armed and disciplined, and in readiness for service. That all such of the inhabitants of this State being of the people called Quakers as, from scruples of conscience, may be averse to the bearing of arms, be therefrom excused by the legislature; and do pay to the State such sums of money, in lieu of their personal service, as the same, may, in the judgment of the legislature, be worth.[FN 13] And that a proper magazine of warlike stores, proportionate to the number of inhabitants, be, forever hereafter, at the expense of this State, and by acts of the legislature, established, maintained, and continued in every county in this State. FN 13. This exemption-fee was fixed at £10 per annum by the act of April 3, 1778, organizing the militia of the State.
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@JohnDoe-xz1mw You want your taxes supporting "religions" of which you are not an adherent? They need to live up to their part of the bargain: freedom of "religion" without gov't interference by not interfering in gov't.
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@CSRaleigh You know better than the Founders, who actually experienced religious tyranny? ___ North Carolina Constitution, Begun November 12, 1776, Completed December 18, 1776. "XXXI. That no clergyman, or preacher of the gospel, of any denomination, shall be capable of being a member of either the Senate, House of Commons, or Council of State, while he continues in the exercise of the pastoral function. . . . . "XXXIV. That there shall be no establishment of any one religious church or denomination in this State, in preference to any other; neither shall any person, on any pretence whatsoever, be compelled to attend any place of worship contrary to his own faith or judgment, nor be obliged to pay, for the purchase of any glebe, or the building of any house of worship, or for the maintenance of any minister or ministry, contrary to what he believes right, or has voluntarily and personally engaged to perform; but all persons shall be at liberty to exercise their own mode of worship:--_Provided_, That nothing herein contained shall be construed to exempt preachers of treasonous or seditious discourses, from legal trial and punishment." ___ Constitution of Georgia adopted on February 5, 1777: "Art. LVI. All persons whatever shall have the free exercise of their religion; provided it be not repugnant to the peace and safety of the State; and shall not, unless by consent, support any teacher or teachers except those of their own profession." . . . . "Art. LXII. No clergyman of any denomination shall be allowed a seat in the legislature." ___ Constitution of New York, April 20, 1777. XXXVIII. And whereas we are required, by the benevolent principles of rational liberty, not only to expel civil tyranny, but also to guard against that spiritual oppression and intolerance wherewith the bigotry and ambition of weak and wicked priests and princes have scourged mankind, this convention doth further, in the name and by the authority of the good people of this State, ordain, determine, and declare, that the free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or preference, shall forever hereafter be allowed, within this State, to all mankind: Provided, That the liberty of conscience, hereby granted, shall not be so construed as to excuse acts of licentiousness, or justify practices inconsistent with the peace or safety of this State. XXXIX. And whereas the ministers of the gospel are, by their profession, dedicated to the service of God and the care of souls, and ought not to be diverted from the great duties of their function; therefore, no minister of the gospel, or priest of any denomination whatsoever, shall, at any time hereafter, under any presence or description whatever, be eligible to, or capable of holding, any civil or military office or place within this State. XL. And whereas it is of the utmost importance to the safety of every State that it should always be in a condition of defence; and it is the duty of every man who enjoys the protection of society to be prepared and willing to defend it; this convention therefore, in the name and by the authority of the good people of this State, doth ordain, determine, and declare that the militia of this State, at all times hereafter, as well in peace as in war, shall be armed and disciplined, and in readiness for service. That all such of the inhabitants of this State being of the people called Quakers as, from scruples of conscience, may be averse to the bearing of arms, be therefrom excused by the legislature; and do pay to the State such sums of money, in lieu of their personal service, as the same, may, in the judgment of the legislature, be worth.[FN 13] And that a proper magazine of warlike stores, proportionate to the number of inhabitants, be, forever hereafter, at the expense of this State, and by acts of the legislature, established, maintained, and continued in every county in this State. FN 13. This exemption-fee was fixed at £10 per annum by the act of April 3, 1778, organizing the militia of the State.
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@JohnDoe-xz1mw The LOGIC of separation of church and state is based on the FOUNDERS' experience of religiotyranny. See the corrupt theocracy that was the gov't of Massachusetts-Bay Colony. IN LAW, as example, "Papists" - Catholics were banned from the colony. If found, they were banished. And if they returned to to Colony they were EXECUTED. Witches were executed based on "religion". I posted from several first state constitutions expressly separating "religion" and gov't and detailing WHY. The agreement was that neither would interfere with the other. Their attacks on the gov't are unconstitutional. Taxing them would PERMIT them to do so.
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@Kapk1896 Taxing them would legitimize what they are doing.,
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@Aurumk1 The statement about no one "religion" -- no state "religion" -- is separation of "religion" and gov't: research the Massachusetts-Bay theocracy in the 1600s; that gov't banished anyone who had the "wrong" "religion". And in order to own land one had to have the "right" "religion". And one had to own land in order to run for office. That "religion" executed "witches" for having a "wrong" "religion". Quakers were maltreated, and banished. Mary Dyer and her husband and a friend were banished. They returned to the Colony. They were sentenced to death. When brought to be hung the husband prevailed on the hangman to allow Mary Dyer to live. Husband and friend were hung, and she was banished. She returned again and was hung. That's why the state constitutions separated "religion" and gov't -- no state "religion". Those state constitutional provisions (as did others) eventuated in the First Amendment separation of "religion" and gov't.
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@jinwu9423 Trump and Musk have railed against "gov't by unelected bureaucrats". Immigrant Musk is an unelected bureaucrat. What he is doing under Trump's direction is unconstitutional. That is a matter of LAW not of "capitalism".
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@gatogris5010 It is also a violation of separation of church and state for ICE to raid churches for alleged "illegals".
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Have you ever bothered to actually read why the Founders established separation of church and state -- and therefore non-taxation? Of course not. And that's the same as those who jump on the "Abolish the Electoral College" notion, even when irrelevant, and without a shred of research for why the Founders established it. And, no: it wasn't about slavery.
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