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Many flat Earthers nowadays say that the other planets are flat too, or are just "lights in the sky".
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@JavelinAngel1295 You said it. Flat Earthism is a fixation that screens out anything that doesn't agree with it. Cheers from snowy Waldviertel, Scott
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Okay, I've forgotten all that I was taught, and I've opened my eyes. Let's see... nope, the Sun still sets, the Earth is still a globe. But nice try.
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@XI_Ronin So what observations have you made that fit a flat Earth but not a globe?
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@XI_Ronin As Frankie and Benjy Mouse said, that video you cite didn't use a solar filter, so the Sun's disk was rendered as a huge ball of glare when higher in the sky and brighter. We've all seen such videos, and they are either incompetent or deliberately deceptive. Why don't you test it using your own senses? Get a piece of dark glass, Welder's No. 14 or equivalent, and look at the Sun with your own eyes. You will see that it stays the same apparent size at all times.
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@XI_Ronin If the Sun doesn't change size, how can you tell that it's getting closer and further away? As a rule, we can only tell how relatively near or far an object is by means of perspective. And on a flat Earth with the usual 3000 mile high Sun, the apparent size of the Sun's disk would change roughly by a factor of two during the day, because it's twice as far away when near the horizon than at midday. But we don't see this, do we?
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@sparehead8911 The dome is made of firmamentium.
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@vahagnmelikyan2906 Are big numbers stupid?
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@vahagnmelikyan2906 I've also seen the Sun many times shining through clouds with apparently diverging sunbeams, and also through trees, where it looked as though the rays were pointing at a Sun only a few yards behind the trees. This is a very convincing illusion called "crepuscular rays", which you might want to look up. The sunbeams are actually parallel (or very nearly so), but because they are coming towards you, almost flat to the ground, they seem to diverge because of perspective. It's the same effect you see with railroad tracks.
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@sparehead8911 Yep, it's just behind unobtainium.
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@sparehead8911 Btw, nice work here. You've been at it a while, as have I. Groan. cheers from unseasonably warm Vienna, Scott
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@Alan-nq5xg I've never heard of flat Earthers from Sikkim.
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I've read the Bible. The Earth is still not flat.
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@kitcanyon658 I used to shill for NASA too. But after their third paycheck bounced, I switched over to the Reptilians. They pay on time, and you get invited to their annual Baby Barbecues. Yum.
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@NotcoolNotcool So... you judge truth by "crappiness"? How do you define "crappiness"? Can you demonstrate that simulations are more plausible than demons?
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Define "theory" in the scientific sense.
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Sonoluminescence. Mine is longer.
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@Philosophy-Forum Yep. And flat Earthers are divided between those who claim the Sun does get smaller as it "goes away"; and those who explain why it doesn't, usually invoking "atmospheric lensing" as an effect that exactly cancels out the expected shrinking through perspective. It's not easy being flat...
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@jamesbuah6041 How can the Sun set, if it's always above a flat Earth?
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Simplemindedness is part of it. But unwillingness is perhaps even a bigger part of it.
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Have you ever built a sundial? Taken the altitude of Polaris from three different latitudes? Watched the shadows on the Equinoxes? Observed the retrograde motion of Mars? If not, why not? Is the real world too vivid for you?
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@betaorionis2164 Yep. And a quick look at the posts by flat Earthers here and elsewhere shows that most of them don't stick around to respond when they're answered. They're obviously not interested in the answers, but only in posting what they think are unanswerable "gotchas".
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The Greeks knew the Earth was a globe more than two thousand years ago, and all educated people have known it since then.
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@itsmeagain7825 Not holding your breath I hope.
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Ik azul ook.
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Columbus thought, for some reason, that the globe was much smaller than it is.
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I've looked at flight manuals, especially the parts that are quoted by flat Earthers. Flight manuals often assume a flat Earth to simplify calculations for beginners. They also assume other counterfactuals for the same reason: for instance that the plane doesn't change weight as it burns fuel, and that airframes are perfectly rigid. Read them for yourself, don't just take my word for it.
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Two questions, one answer: zero.
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All of your research is belong to us.
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Round can mean circular, cylindrical, or spherical, among other things. In the context of flat versus round Earth, it conventionally means spherical. No one is really confused by this.
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@Bells7777 Admiral Byrd would be mortified to find flat Earthers twisting his words. He never said that the Earth is flat. What he said was that there were lands beyond the South Pole, meaning more of Antarctica that hadn't been explored yet.
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Are bats birds too?
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In addition to the replies above, it might also be pointed out that this "dipping" happens very slowly. The Earth is big. A plane flying at a constant altitude only "dips" one degree every 69 miles, which is about every nine minutes at cruising speed of an airliner. This amount of "dipping" is entirely imperceptible to our unaided senses.
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@Matuse Well, night could happen on a pizza world, if the Sun went down past the crust, But then, there would be no light on any of the anchovies; cheese, pineapples, or salami all at once.
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@warmachineuk Indeed, and that's important to point out, because it's not just flat Earthers who are confused on this point, but also a few of us globers. Btw- did you get that Sahara sand over Easter? We had some very strange skies here in Austria.
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Hmmm, what did Aaryabhatt say exactly? Because a 1000th of a sphere is not flat.
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@ritemolawbks8012 Not to mention all the socks that have gone missing over the years.
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@MrEjwheeler Is it just my imagination, or are new "explanations" of why the Earth isn't round becoming scarcer all the time? I would guess that well over nine out of ten I hear nowadays are just the same old same old.
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D'oh.
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@MGTOWwithGOD Ha ha. Vaya bien.
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How can science hide God?
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@tinkerphill Yep. Not to mention Foucault pendulums and the Eötvös and Coriolis effects.
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The most common reasons I've heard for the "big lie" are one, for the money- NASA fakes space cheaply and pockets the change; and two, to turn us from God.
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@boterlettersukkel Waiting.
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The Bible is flat, therefore the Earth is flat.
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@roberturhausen1662 You have a good day too. Cheers from sunny Vienna, Scott
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In addition to the above, here are a few reasons we do it. 1) It's easy. No one "dedicates their life" to it, it's just a fun spare time thing. 2) A mind is a terrible thing to waste. People who believe the Earth is flat are wrong and wasting their time and energy defending a lie. 3) People who believe in a harmless lie like the flat Earth are also liable to believe not-so-harmless lies, such as denial of climate change. 4) It's horribly fascinating how people can believe something so obviously false. 5) It can be educational. Researching the science and history turns up some amazing facts. For instance, did you know that both Captain James Cook and Alexander von Humboldt, when their chronometers were down, were able to find the time and thus fix their longitude by observing the moons of Jupiter, a method suggested by Galileo after he discovered them? How cool is that?
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Macroevolution is simply microevolution writ large. And who taught you that ontogeny literally recapitulates phylogeny? I studied paleontology at UC Berkeley fifty years ago and Haekel's exaggerations were pointed out to us. If you're interested in learning how we know that evolution happened and is happening, there are lots of online sources. A good place to start is TalkOrigins.
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How silly can you get. There are no "enormous elephants". It's turtles all the way down.
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@pecavulic7399 It doesn't seem to be a useful concept at all to me.
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