Comments by "Tx240" (@Texas240) on "Cappy Army"
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@thinkharder9332 I commend you on your dissection of the m4 mk18 and DMR vs XM7 weight issue.
But, dude. You really jumped into the deep end without even bothering to realize if you were near the pool.
You entirely missed the point. I wasn't trying to sell the mk18. I was pointing out that the XM7 is very heavy and over equipped for a standard issue rifle to the point that it's nearly the weight of 2 individual weapons. I was also using the 2 weapons vs XM7 to highlight the fact that the XM7 is the "do everything...at the price of being good at nothing" option compared to 2 weapons that are good at what they're designed to do.
You cannot argue that:
- a 14 lbs rifle is going to be good at cqb because it has a short barrel
-an inaccurate or inconsistent weapon with 6 MOA accuracy is going to be good at 800 meters because the bullet has more energy and penetration
-suppressors and a heavy, complex optic (instead of lighter optic) are wastes of weight that would be better served as ammo weight in a general issue use
-excessive wear of components that compromise reliability is a direct hazard to troops engaged in firefight
Well, you COULD argue those things but you wouldn't have logic on your side.
You also seem very hung up on ir designators and suppressors. Again, you're missing the point that if you're going to carry the extra weight of XM7 you can carry 2 lighter, less Gucci'd weapons for the same weight. Here, you go into the argument of how a typical mk18 would be equipped. You completely missed the point that I was using the bare weapon as an example of a lighter, smaller weapon with a 10 inch barrel that will do the close range work much better than the XM7.
If you want to really do the mental exercise, realize that if you were going to carry 2 weapons, you would limit the accessories you would equip to what's absolutely necessary to keep weight down and allow for more ammunition weight. Since you know a lot about what troops are equipped with, you know they will be taking much more than standard load out ammunition. While you're on that train of thought, keeping to essentials, ask yourself if the XM7 weight is essential.
Further, since we're on thought exercises, ask yourself if you would take an ir aiming device into battle over another magazine if you were fighting a near peer enemy using NVG instead of going against dudes in sandals. There's a trade off to that ir device and no trade off to using the weight for ammo. Obviously, I'm not going to affect a change in how troops are equipped, but it's worth pointing out if we're talking about smart weight.
My argument is that the XM7 is not smart weight. It has less accuracy, consistency, and longevity than systems that already exist like M110 or SCAR H (2 examples) if you want a battle rifle that can be effective at ranges beyond 5.56. The XM7 is a hodge podge of conflicting compromises to achieve "1 size fits all" on paper. Think "littoral combat ship program" and you get the idea. I was using the example of a short barrel m4 variant combined with a DMR as being a similar weight with much greater capability to highlight the conflict of compromise that is the XM7.
Good discussion. Cheers.
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@Averagegunenthusiast the problem is that in Afghanistan, the enemy was engaging with the pk machine guns (7.62x54) at farther ranges than the typical m4 or m249 (5.56 NATO) could respond to. The issue wasn't penetration. It was range and effectiveness and knocking out the enemy when they were hit.
So, instead of adding another 7.62 NATO (7.62x51) DMR or LMG to squads, the Pentagon wanted a 1 size fits all solution for longer range, greater penetration, and small size for vehicles and cqb.
Since we left Afghanistan, the Pentagon is now trying to field a battle rifle designed for Afghanistan.
Meanwhile, in the current actual war in Ukraine, the Ukrainians reported (shown in this vid) that most engagements are under 300m and indeed there is actual trench fighting at very close range. Currently, we have 5.56 ammo that is capable of penetrating Russian body armor at the combat ranges being seen in the Ukraine war (and that's assuming it has actual steel or ballistic plate instead of cardboard).
So, the Pentagon is pushing this xm7 project as a way for officers and officials to to retire and enjoy kickbacks from Sig. That's probably not true. It's never fair to assume malice where mere incompetence explains the situation.
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