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@daderpman1018 Exactly, Ottomans were no angels.. They were just assimilating people in conquered lands slowly and masterfully. Despite their clever assimilation tactics, the whole concept is no Turkish.. Persians did the same, Great Alexander and the Roman Empire as well..
It's easier to assimilate everyone instead of acting like an evil overlord. The latter would only instigate rebellions easier.. Especially for Turks.. Turks did not have the numbers to inhabit the vast lands they conquered alone.
What set Ottomans apart from previous Empires though, was the fact their assimilation was a bit more aggressive by using tactics like forcing people to pay a special tax if they were no Muslims.. That's what made most people convert to Islam, slowly but surely for financial reasons. Then you have janissaries, high Turkish officials who were actually not Turks..
The aforementioned tactics in conjunction with the fact that if you did not convert you would be treated as a third class citizen, Turkified most of the locals.. That's why the Mongolian tribe of Turks look nothing like Asians today.. Modern Turks are comprised of converted Greeks, Armenians, Pontics, Kurds and so on..
What happened to the small minorities who despite all the above, refused to let go of who they really are? Well, Greeks revolted and got some of their lands back (modern Greece). The places that did not revolt or simply did not get liberated though? Genocides finished the job.. The Armenian and the Pontic genocides are only a few of such examples..
In conclusion, modern Turks are descendants of traitorous and murderous pigs who converted themselves to please their Turkish overlords.. Combine that with the fact they do not relinquish all the lands they hold illegally or their complete denial of any genocide taking place and then you understand why everyone hates their guts..!
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Dod o Nope, it's not..... I had this debate many times so I won't repeat it..
Believe what you will, but the reality is that a few modern "historians" seeked to make a name for themselves by revisioning history.. It failed miserably though..
Hitler's attack on Greece had cost him dearly in more ways than one..
It cost him men, time, and most importantly, supplies and FUEL (especially fuel)..
Not to mention that the battle of Crete, had a unique effect on both sides, with Germans abandoning the idea of paratroopers and converting them to foot soldiers, whilst the Allies based their operations on more paratroopers.. I don't need to tell you how that helped the Allies immensely throughout the war..
Again, I am not here to do the debate for 278275th time.. Believe what you want, write whatever bs you like.. Try as you might, nothing can change the reality of the above facts!
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@danielradu3212 I see you use the example of Egypt a lot but it's not the same..
Egyptians were conquered by Arabs and the Copts are only but a small minority today. There is not a Copt state today to contest the modern Egypt state of the Egyptian identity. If there was a contest between a hypothetical contest between the two people Copts would win for obvious reasons.
Btw, even the official name of Egypt speaks for the fact they, themselves, know that they were culturally assimilated by the Arabs, it wouldn't be called "ARAB Republic of Egypt" if that was not the case. They also acknowledge the Copts as Egyptians as well.
Now back to these slavs who are calling themselves "Mecedonians", did they ever believe themselves as "Macedonians" before? No, that's Tito's doing. Before Tito there wasn't a single slav there who would think themselves as "Macedonian".
Do the Skopjans acknowledge Greeks as Macedonians today? No, they try to revise history by claiming Alexander the Great was not Greek and the most ambitious of them will try to convince you he was some ancient slav.
Do the Skopjans acknowledge the fact their language and culture are Slavic and not "Mecedonian"? No, they do not. Their official name today is "Republic of Northern Macedonia". Contrary to the Egyptian example they are not called "Slavic Republic of Northern Macedonia".
Embracing a statue of Alexander the Great is not enough to identify yourself as Macedonian, you will have to speak the language he was speaking and spread throughout the world himself as well. The only reason the Skopjans today call themselves "Mecadonians" is because their ambition is to steak our lands in the future per Tito's plan. Nothing more, nothing less...
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People need to understand that the Romans where the biggest Grecophiles during antiquity. Mainly because of Alexander's accomplishments. This is why half the Roman Empire was still speaking Greek even during antiquity. Julius Ceasar was often talking in Greek as well. Romans respected Greek culture and often copied it. Yes they did that with other cultures as well, but we need to understand Greek culture had a special place in Roman society (especially among the most influential Romans).
Therefore, it is of no surprise that Greeks were mostly fine with Roman rule. The two cultures slowly merged and were molded into what is called "Greco-Roman" culture. After centuries of cultural exchange there was virtually no difference between Greek and Roman culture, or between Greeks and Romans either. It was one and the same.
Of course today we can call it "Greco-Roman" or "Byzantine" to make a chronological distinction. However, to these people, after the full Christianization of the Roman empire, there was no "Greek", they were calling themselves just Romans (or to be more precise "Romaioi") and their empire was called by them "Romania".
Modern Greeks have more in common with the Christian medieval Greeks who identified as Romans, than their Classical pagan ancestors. Now someone might ask "why are they calling themselves Hellenes/Greeks today and not Romans, then?". Well, that's another story for another big comment.
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@Old_Harry7 I dunno about Levant, I speak about Egypt... And i repeat, your claim is false because the Egyptians wanted the Byzantines to come back.. It is a fact, it is in the books as well.. You cannot deny it.. Once again, i say I can give you details if you are interested (year, what and how it happened)..
Your second claim is wrong as well, modern Greece is the country that has the most things in common with the Byzantines today (same language, same traditions, same people, same religion).. Byzantines are basically their ancestors..
Also, you might want to think that it is irrelevant because it ruins your narrative, but it is not.. If Egyptians in the past didn't like Hellenic/Roman rule they wouldn't have a single damn reason to think highly of us today...
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@NothingSerious...2 If you are historian I am astrophysicist...
Spartans differed in a lot of aspects from Athenians as well.. Yet for some reason no one questions the "greekiness" of any of them..
It's not a matter of perspective.. It's a clear hard cold fact that Macedonians were, are and will be Greek. Alexander has spread the Greek language and culture throughout his empire... If he wasn't Greek he wouldn't spread the Hellenic culture but his own "barbarian one", guess why he didn't!!! Because he didn't have any other identity than the Greek one.
You need to study more the origins of the Greek world Mr wannabe "historian", you will find out about Minoans, Acheans, Danaans, Mycenaeans, Dorians, Ionians, and Aeolians... All different from each other, with obvious cultural differences throughout different time periods. But they were all GREEK!
You need to go through some pretty rough mental gymnastics to make the case for the opposite..
A valid example of your hypothesis are the Pontic people, whose lands were in Anatolia and they were hellenized because the came in contact with one of the Greek colonies. This is apparent by the fact they had a King with the name "Mithridates the Philhellene". You cannot be a Philhellene and a Hellene at the same time...
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@ΡωμαϊκόνΠύρ However, if there is a religion more greek than the pagan faith, that's Orthodox Christianity.. I explained the reasons above..
You are right when you say that the Eastern Romans did not view themselves to be "greek" and I have already explained why as well..
Today a modern historian has more info at his disposal than his medieval counterpart, so the fact they called themselves "Roman" and not "Greek" has no bearing.. The reality is that of the glorious Grecoroman culture.. Much to your dismay..
And yes, even ancient Rome was culturally more greek than latin, which is why I laugh when Italians claim the fall of the Roman Empire came with the Fall of Rome.. They don't realise even the early Roman Empire was more greek than latin, early Romans idolized Hellenism and Alexander was like a god to them..
This is why Greeks were "assimilated" into Roman society so easily, because being Roman and being Greek wasn't so different as you might think.. I have already mentioned greek religion, greek language and people of greek decent were the backbone of the Eastern Roman Empire, and i don't like to repeat myself..
I could claim the Rum are more Turkic than "Roman", which is why they are assimilated so quickly.. The true Romans are those who rebeled against their occupiers again and again under the national identity of Greece which is NOT wrong for the myriad of reasons I have already explained above!
The history of modern Greece descends from the Ancient Greek States (even before that actually), and its big Roman chapter was but one of the biggest parts of its history, and that fact won't change no matter how many times you will use the term "greek nationalism" as a buzzword.. Without "greek nationalism" we would still be under the Ottoman yoke..
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@a_kazakis Well yes, it's a matter of perspective. Genetics do not mean anything to me for example. There are many modern Greeks who cannot make a genetic claim, and I am not taking about just some minorities here.
Ancient Greeks could make an ethnic argument (what they meant by "ethnic' was actually "same blood"). Most modern Greeks cannot do the same today.
Using the factors "ethnicity", "religion", "language", "culture". Modern Greece fulfills all except the first one. Which is why neo-Greeks are closer to ERE than their Ancient ancestors.
Also, do not be so sure you would find many cultural similarities with an ancestor of yours from 200 ago. Not only your daily lives are completely different but the language would be a lot different as well. Language is a living organism and changes bit by bit throughout the ages, so you would hardly be able to communicate with each other.
At this point I should mention what the terms "culture" and "subculture" actually mean. In short, culture is the daily life of a group of people whereas subculture is a very specific part of the daily life for some people of the same culture (a culture can contain many subcultures). Today our culture is the western one. A thing few of our ancestors would identify with today.
This means, and I insist, that the gradual change in culture is not something someone can use to separate groups of people in History. You can, however, make such claim if the cultural change was the result of a foreign occupation. For example, Palestinians and Israelis are different groups of people today despite both being genetically "Semitic". That's because one group tried to keep their identity as intact as they could while being away from their homeland, whereas the other group stayed behind and was culturally assimilated by their Arab occupiers.
I agree that wherever Romans conquered the locals would keep a part of their culture intact even if they were considered Roman citizens and had to follow Roman Law. This is part of the reason Greeks kept their language and culture despite the fact their Greek States were conquered by the Romans. However, there is a fundamental difference between Greek culture and the rest of the cultures the Roman Empire was influenced by. First of all, even during the times of the early classical Roman Empire, the dominant culture was the Greek one alongside the Roman one. Iberic, German and English people cannot make the same claim today. As their cultures were not held to such a high regard by the "true" Romans.
ERE had roman laws and roman customs, these were mixed with Greek culture. We need also to take into account Roman and Greek culture had 1000+ years to mold into something new. A fact which is not true for other cultures like the Germanic and the Iberic ones.
Citizens and rulers of the ERE were speaking Common Greek, but they called their language 'Romaika". They also called themselves 'Romioi". After 1000+ years of cultural mixing can we still claim that ERE was "Hellenized"? I am not so sure. I believe the most accurate term for the culture of the ERE is "Greco-Roman". Something new that happened gradually, under the influence of, yes foreign people, but foreign people who respected our culture above all else. Like Palaiologos said, "we are descendants of both Greeks and Romans".
For all the above reasons, I firmly believe our true identity is the Roman or to be more precise the "Greco-Roman" one. We just chose again to go by the name "Hellenes" after 1500 years for diplomatic and political reasons during the preparations for the revolution of 1821.
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@tkaraburk Romans, Ionians, Danaans, Macedonians, Mycenaeans, Minoans, Athenians, Spartans, Anatolians, Pontics, Thebans, Hellenes.
All the above are Greek. The only that changes is time and space. I know it's shocking to someone with zero historical knowledge, but it's time you came to terms with reality.
Also, you say something something about 1800s and Greece existing??? Are you sure you wanna go there?
Because by YOUR reasoning you didn't exist until Turkey became a thing.
Oh am I wrong because the Ottoman Empire and Turkey are almost the same thing? Ok then, look above and realize that "Greece" has been a thing thousands of years before your ethnicity was even an idea.
You've been schooled and humiliated, time to bow out I think.
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@TheGarchompxd It's funny seeing angry fanboys seethe in their anger though.
I don't "barge" in anything. These comments are public, with the free option of replying to them.
Finally, common logic would dictate that since I am talking about design flaws and pitfalls, people would ask to learn more. But of course that would be too much to expect and all I get are ad hominems and more WoW hate... 🤣🤣🤣
Anyway, since you were first intelligent being to ask for elaboration, I will elaborate.
Ashes of Creation tries too much to build an immersive world where the social aspect of the MMO aspect is put on the front. PvP is at the core of this game design and it will be essentially forced upon you. It's a sandboxy MMO where the community makes its own content.
Now you might ask, "why is that a bad thing?". And I am going yyo answer.... For me? That's not a bad thing, that's the best thing you could ask for in an MMO. I, myself advocated for many a times for at least an optional sandbox mode in WoW forums (similar to how the optional wPvP mode, aka "Warmode" already exists).
However, the market has spoken and the majority of players like solo content and PvE over PvP.
An MMO which doesn't understand this simple cold and undeniable fact, can never "steal" WoW's playerbase and therefore it cannot be the "WoW killer" many haters here hope it to be. Best thing it can achieve is to stay alive among ESO, GW2 and others. Worst case scenario is that it will die after a few months. Just look at how bad New World has failed because it expected the players to create their own content with lacklustre PvE endgame during launch.
In short, a content heavy theme park MMO is more popular than a sandboxy one and WoW has taken the approach of trying to satisfy as many people as possible by having a theme park MMO with some sandbox enablement here and there. WoW is like "you want wPvP fam? I have it, instanced PvP? I have it, hardcore or casual PvE? I have those as well. RP? Here are some RPers in RP servers". And this is one of the many reasons it's been so successful but haters gonna hate without ever understanding why WoW is still No.1 after 20 years.
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@ΡωμαϊκόνΠύρ Again, the OFFICIAL language of the Eastern Roman Empire was the Koine Greek after a certain period of time.. After Koine Greek became the official language, Latin usage faded gradually..
At this point you need to ask why Koine Greek became the official language over the Latin.. Ah yes, because the Romans adopted Hellenic cultural "tidbits" right? 🤡🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤣🤣🤣
It couldn't have been because the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of the people living on the Eastern Roman Empire were Hellenes who were speaking Koine Greek anyway so it didn't make any sense to keep using Latin huh?
Yes yes, at this point no one was calling themselves "Hellene", don't bother repeating what we already know.. You just need to understand the reason the name "Hellene" stopped being used was because of cultural, religious and political reasons not because the Hellenes got replaced by Romans.. The Romans never replaced the Greeks.. The Greeks just adopted the Roman name for the aforementioned reasons which were repeated again and again in this back and forth that makes cycles at this point (you are beginning to bore me btw)..
And to finish this charade, I am going to repeat again that THE SAME PEOPLE, THE ROMANS, who were under Ottoman occupation, once again changed their name back to "Hellenes".. This happened for (once again) religious, cultural and political reasons!
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@ΡωμαϊκόνΠύρ I don't care if for some twisted reason you want to revise History.. A name alone doesn't mean anything.. Your whole argument is being based on "they were calling themselves this and that", you were proven wrong as even the late Romans themselves started calling themselves "descendants of Romans and Hellenes alike", as the Emperor Palaiologos said himself. And even IF (just for the sake of making an additional argument) you were right, a name alone does not mean anything.. You need to take into consideration descend, population, culture and language as well..! And all the above are Greco-Roman, either you like it or not..
Keep your fake Roman identity for all I care, you will be fully assimilated by Turks in a few years anyway.. Oh and btw, this is what "assimilation" really means, your descendants will consider themselves Turks and there will be no coming back from that even in a thousand years.. The Hellenes of the Roman Empire just changed their name and their laws, they didn't change their religion and language.. Therefore, they never got assimilated by the Romans, their culture got mixed with the Roman one and gradually created something new throughout the ages . The Greco-Roman culture! End of story, I done with you!
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@VaasMontenegro12 I disagree about how rich people should be "targeted" they already pay more taxes in Greece than most of middle class citizens..
Ok it might be because I have an awesome boss who pays me good, but I know for fact that if governement overdo it with taxing rich people, bosses like mine will not be able to provide good wages to their enployees any more..
Also, rich people have more ways to avoid taxation than middle to low class citizens.. So, I would avoid pushing them too much if I had a say about it.. They could just send their money to an off-shore.. And if they they have ships? All the better, just change the flag of the ship to that of a country with lower taxes.. The above are only a few examples which are not greek-exclusive phenomenons mind you.. You simply cannot force rich people to pay more taxes than they want to..
Last but nor least, take into consideration how money works.. Money=capitalism, since you use it you live in a capitalistic system either you like it or not.. And the most intriguing part? If we all had enough money to pay all our debts, money would all lose all its value.. You simply need some people on top of others (resembling a pyramid) for money to work.. So next time time you want to fight rich people, take some time to find a system to replace capitalism and money altogether.. Because as long as you use money, there will be rich and poor people, this is an unavoidable truth we all need to come in terms with..
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@Krahamus First of all, there are hundreds of ignorant comments in here.. I didn't go in all of them as it is not my job to educate your ignorant .... you know what...
Secondly, l bet you are a WoW hater who doesn't know anything about it but hates it just for the sake of hating (see? Ad-hominems are not cool 🙂)
Thirdly, I am not "negative" I am a realist.
And lastly, you need to define "failure". FF14 community tried to build a "WoW killer" narrative. In that regard it is a failure because this narrative died out in less than 2 months as most people who took the bait, tried it and went straight back to WoW! 🤣🤣🤣 This is a hard cold FACT, not what is supposedly "in my eyes".
Oh and I have more facts for you...
Right now FF14 can keep its place as the 2nd MMO in the market, it's not a "failure" by any means. I mean, heck, ESO and GW2 are still alive despite the fact their respective playerbases are a fraction of those of WoW and FF14. What am I saying? Even old school Runescape L2 and Ultima Online are still alive.. 🤣🤣🤣 So a game doesn't need millions of players to be considered "successful". Ashes of Creation is a game that will draw players to its niche, but that's about it. That's the best it can so. AoC cannot reach the player coverage of WoW due to its flawed design, new world building and limited budget. WoW simply appeals to more players and it will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
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@shaunsteele6926
First of all the DNA results for one person you know doesn't constitute enough evidence for anything whatsoever when we talk about whole ethnic groups..
Lastly and most importantly.... DNA is irrelevant...! Many Turks (especially those of the Western coast), may have 80% or 90% Greek DNA within them. For many Greeks the opposite might be true as well. Does it matter though??? Does their culture, religion or (most importantly) language has anything to do with Alexander the Great? No...
Also, Alexander the Great was Greek, not a Slav, something these fake "Macedonians" refuse to accept....
If they spoke Greek at least and their fake identity wasn't just an excuse for a future invasion on modern Greece, then no one would have a problem with them and their identity. Hell, if they claimed we have a common Hellenic Ancestry we would have been in quite friendly terms. However, that's not the case, as their fake identity is heavily linked to historical and border revisionism.
So please, try not to fuel their propaganda.....
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