Comments by "cchris874" (@cchris874) on "Depressed Ginger" channel.

  1. And the US gov new all of this but then played dumb about these threats. But if they didn't know, that's even worse.
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  2. Well IMO it can work both ways. As you say, it seems an assault on human dignity. But on the other hand, ex-cution is like a get out of jail free card. If you would have spent 50 years in prison, the death penalty means the you can never experience your punishment. Is that really justice?
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  3.  @SteveWillNotDoItMan  I have to apologize for that. I feel guilty watching fragile egos fall apart in seconds; Hit and Run YouTruthers, fleeing in terror at the first sign of logic.
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  4. It's a common misconception that this seems impossible, but other crashes prove it. PSA flight 1771 debris was reported 8 miles distant. USAir flight 427 crashed in one piece but some five minutes later debris fell onto a golf course some 2 miles away. It's natural to ask, how could this happen, especially if it's not a windy day? Firstly, this debris was only very light: typically paper, business cards, insulation. It did not involve anything that couldn't be carried by air currents. But how does it get up there in the first place? I think the answer is provided by thermals: "a thermal is a movement of rising warm air." They have been observed to cause substantial updrafts. When you look at the impact plume of F93, it appears to show this. The debris plume, hot with exploding fuel, draws the debris upwards, where the air speed is greater at higher altitudes, and carry them for miles.
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  5. A new internet record has been reached. A full two hours of 9/11 video without any truther spam. That's called progress.
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  6. They did find lots of debris.
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  7. It was the same with Ethiopian flight 302 before excavation began.
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  8.  @qwopiretyu  What I mean is, since before the plot mentioned above, and even before the Air France plot, and certainly after, the concept of flying planes into buildings was no surprise to either W or Condoleezza Rice. Either they played dumb, or were grossly uninformed. I have a hard time believing the latter.
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  9. Yes, it's like tornadoes. They can inexplicably leave one house unscathed while destroying all the rest in the same path.
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  10. First off, paper items surviving high speed plane crashes is nothing new. Many examples can be cited. As to the fire, a lot depends on how long an item is exposed. If the hijacker had the passport, say, in his pocket and was seated in the cockpit, that that item has a head start, since the fuel tanks are behind it. And if the exposure is a fraction of a second, it could well escape complete destruction.
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  11.  @POPJack1717  Well actually it took more like 16 seconds. The 10 second figure is the time it took for "the first exterior panels" to reach the ground. NIST has fostered this confusion by giving the 10-second number in both contexts at different times. That said, would you even perceive the building was collapsing at first? But still doubtful anyone would get out, and then you'd have to run fast or potentially get killed by all the debris falling outside near the entrance.
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  12. Who's kidding about what? The well established fact that paper items surviving high speed crashes is common place?
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  13. Can't you guys at least show some restraint in the constant pop-up spam known as nine-elevn truth? Can't you just give it a break once in a while.
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  14.  @jakammor4449  I think so, but I doubt that's the reason.
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  15.  @CATSWITHKYLA  You have not done adequate research. "that no plane was there or any resembles of one." The same is true for PSA flight 1771. Nothing resembling a plane. Ditto American flight 191, Air Canada 621. If the impact speed is great enough, and the angle is steep, you can have almost complete disintegration. Later on Wally Miller, the county coroner and others surveilled the area and found body parts, the cockpit section in the trees, Over 1,100 people representing 73 organizations were involved in the recovery effort. At least a dozen people saw the crash as it happened, we have phone calls from the passengers. I know it seems strange, but there is no reason to fake this crash. That is the final nail in the coffin. For what purpose? What was gained by faking flight 93? What today would be different? Since the answer is nothing, that should factor in to your reasoning. Think about it. cheers
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  16.  @ResidentOfTheAbyss  You have no real science proving the collapse was impossible. Certainly nothing appearing in a science or engineering journal. So what is the evidence and where is it?
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  17.  @Alecup06  Perhaps. But more likely Just IMO, it had a lot to do with the antagonism of the C-A towrds the F-I, whom they viewed as a bunch of little leaguers. With over 200 red thread alerts that summer, and then add to that the mounds of inefficiency, and the total lack of inter-agency communication, it's not as surprising as it seems. But if I were to bet on one person who could have stopped it but deliberately didn't, it might be Michael Scheu-r. But that's highly speculative. But I doubt the administration itself wanted it to happen, or knew the exact details o the plan.
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  18.  @DyspotikOriginal  Not that low, especially if there was someone with pilot training on board, or if one of the two pilots could have been revived. I would say very low indeed, but not infinitesimal. Which reminds me of another question, what are the odds of any of the truth movement scenarios being true?
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  19.  @Dr.FirebladeSC59  Why would you carry a passport on a domestic flight? Especially back then when all you needed was a driver's license.
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  20. Don't know if they know. In 2001, passports would have been uncommon on domestic flights, I am guessing.
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  21.  @jacksonmarshallkramer5087  Agreed. And none of that happened to flight 93.
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  22.  @betajoshi  I never heard that. Do you have a source that hundreds of passports were found? Thanks
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  23.  @dantrav1927  No, you're wrong, sorry.
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  24. Reasonable assumption but wrong. The only debris 8 miles away was paper and insulation carried there by air currents. This debris was also downwind, not where the plane itself overflew. This would not be the first time debris was carried by air currents.
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  25.  @mar4oz  Well there's precedent for that: US Air flight 427, coincidentally also in western PA. In that case, and intact airliner went nose first into the ground, and some 5 minutes later paper and insulation fell onto a golf course some 2 miles distant. The number of passengers doesn't prove much unless there is some scientific equation that says without x number of passengers, paper debris is y % less likely to end up z miles away. :)
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  26. Because most US citizen's didn't fly with passports back then. I guess you forgot to connect that dot.
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  27. Why can't you guys learn the facts before posting. They found an engine core in the crater and there's a photo of it. A State trooper found part of an engine in a catch basin. There was plenty of debris but most of it was beneath the crater. The cockpit was found in the trees, a 5-7 ft piece of fuselage with window panes was also photographed. C'mon man, do your homework. Both black boxes were found, again the pics have been on the web for decades now. DO YOUR HOMEWORK
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  28. Not if she walked away.
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  29.  @timrider1224  It's total fantasy. But to be fair, remote controlled could mean an AA painted plane I suppose.
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  30. HELLO - Every plane that has been "shot down" has then crashed!! Plus, you're incorrect. There were only 2 other limited debris fields: a few scattered pieces of paper/insulation, found 8 miles away; and a few tiny fragments about 1.5 miles away. No other wreckage was found beyond these locations. So where is all the crash wreckage? "too small" So were most of the pieces they found at Shanksville. High speed crashes tend to produce thousands of tiny pieces.
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  31. It was only a bit of scattered paper and insulation, carried there by air currents, just as happened in the case of PSA 1771, and USAir 427.
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  32.  @johngalush8790  It actually went 8 miles, but only a few wispy pieces of paper and insulation in the town of New Baltimore, carried there by air currents.
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  33. These observations are valid to an extent, I agree. But IMHO an event of this magnitude and uniqueness is bound to result in numerous oddities and coincidences, government cover up or not. Whenever one digs deeply coincidences abound. Such as the New York state lottery number being 911 on Sep 11, 2002. With millions of interacting data points, some are bound to collide in a way that suggests human design. That may also be a part of our hardwiring- we tend to see agency behind everything. I just see that as the nature of reality. It continually outsmarts our common sense intuitions.
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  34. If it exploded in the sky, where's all the wreckage?
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  35.  @michaelgilman7930  Not that it changes the general theme, but some debris, only paper and insulation, actually did fall on the town of New Baltimore some 8 miles to the southeast of the crash site, the way the crow flies. It was carried there by air currents. :)
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  36.  @m0joj0jo666  OK, what evidence would you cite for flight 175 being blown up near Shanksville? I'd like to follow the dots.
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  37.  @jjkhawaiian  It did, but that's because in both cases the basic principles are essentially the same. it's gravity that is responsible for the speed and the direction of the collapse. Not 100% exactly the same but close enough. Just ask any demo expert of your choosing. I remember having this very conversation with Bent Blanchard years ago, long before he became a go-to source for everyone. The primary element in a CD is to remove the support from one or two floors. The fires in the WTC did the same thing: they removed the crucial support at one location. The additional wiring in a cd is to help break apart the debris and help direct the fall straight down. He told me of a demo they had just done in Buffalo, as I recall, and in that case there was no wiring of the whole building, only the lower floors were wired. That is the outstanding lesson I learned. Just my take of course. But I recommend talking to experts yourself rather than trust what either the government or the truth mvt. has to say. They are both untrustworthy entities.
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  38.  @bryant071  I'll give you my evidence after you give me yours. This is called a two-way conversation.
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  39.  @anton1949  You are wrong. You should have said "like most crashes." Here's an example: "There were pieces of wreckage around the perfectly formed rim. Some other metal fragments were hurled fifteen hundred feet away. But the one hundred foot fuselage itself had disappeared entirely." This is exactly what happened to both United flight 93 and Ethiopian flight 302. You need to really do the required research to unearth (no pun intended) before leaping to such conclusions. cheers
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  40.  @St_Augustines_Cry8  Very light debris such as pieces of paper carried by air currents is unusual but not unique. It happened at least twice before: PSA flight 1771, found 8 miles away; and US Air flight 427, insulation and paper found two miles away. One again, reality has a way of outsmarting us humans and our sense of certainty about our intuitions.
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  41. Tell us if you will what the CIA gained by having a 757 crash into the middle of nowhere. I think if people thought about the big picture first, they wouldn't start speculating about the absurd.
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  42. No evidence.
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  43.  @carrollsanders9376  But (many) truthers think it was impossible. Like ResidentOfTheAbyss. whom I was responding to.
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  44. No evidence for that.
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  45.  @St_Augustines_Cry8  Similar to what? There's no crash I know of that matches flight 370.
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  46. You are correct, the passengers caused it to crash. Some light debris was in fact found in the town of New Baltimore, 8 miles away, carried there by air currents.
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  47. I sometimes made that mistake as there were 2 757s and 2 767s, easy to confuse one for the other, even though I had known this for years.
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  48. Hi there, If you're going to play I'm smarter than you, then you need to be better qualified. No engine was found 8 miles away. cheers
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  49.  @NewPassportBro  I can cite two similar events. The first is Northwest flight 710, whose entire fuselage was found buried under the ground. And even more telling is Ethiopian flight 302, the 2nd of the two 737-Max crashes. If you look at the pre-excavation photos, you will note that the vast majority of the plane disappeared into the crater. There's even a picture of the CEO of the airline standing in the empty crater. The only real question is, will you conceded the validity of this evidence. Or, as Mick West might put it, will you now become an Ethiopian flight 302 truther?
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  50. But then it took off again and crashed in PA.
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