Comments by "cchris874" (@cchris874) on "Valorous TV" channel.

  1. Some people will tell you anything.
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  2.  @blackscorpion-h8i  I think the passenger revolt is pretty well proven by the phone calls. What counter facts or evidence can you cite which would refute this?
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  3. They recovered most of the wreckage. So what are you talking about.
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  4. I don't think we know for sure if the cockpit was breached. But either way, the passenger revolt saved lives.
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  5. You have fallen for the junk science of the truth movement and failed to detect all of its lies, such as their Big Lie that cell phones from flight 93 could not have worked. Or building 7 had only small fires. And you probably believe it, right? If you want to see engineer Tony Szamboti be soundly refuted by Ryan Mackey , please ad this to your watch list: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1u3KO9kUdE cheers
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  6. Indian Lake is about 1.5 miles from impact the way the crow flies. Bullets can go way farther than that. The densest items found at Indian Lake were small pieces of metal. They were found mixed with pine needles, also found near the impact site. Put 2 and 2 together.
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  7.  user-ol6zy2pb9b  Kindly tell us what the government hoped to achieve with flight 93. Why was it needed if the plan already called for 3 toppled skyscrapers and 2,800 deaths? If you can't answer that, you have nothing to go on.
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  8.  user-ol6zy2pb9b  It certainly did. Mounds of evidence confirm it: though not many as one would like, there are indeed wreckage photos, including both black boxes, part of an engine, we have the radar tape tracking it there, we have the testimony of the controllers who monitered it there. The county coroner ID'ng all the victims (was he fooled, or threatened with death?). A photo of the crash plume, 12 witnesses identified by name who saw the crash as it happened. We have the engine part found by a state trooper near the catch basin. Was he lying? Over 1,000 recovery workers were involved in the clean up. None suggested anything untoward (that I am aware of). And of course the obvious: the phone calls. And now the evidence of a fake crash: zero. cheers
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  9. The military did not shoot this plane down!
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  10. My God doesn't allow 911s to happen.
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  11. Actually three. Elvis rode on the third one.
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  12.  @sierravista9013  Oops, my bad. I thought you meant the military blew it up.
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  13. Not if the families don't want it.
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  14. The first 3 flights were no different than almost all the previous hijackings in history. Flight 93 passengers was the first time in history they knew their plane was going to be used for mass murder on the ground. Thus the context before and after flight 77 are completely different.
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  15. Sorry, you are mistaken. "Check any plane crash in history." I did, but you didn't. Ethiopian flight 302 was buried even more completely. And please don't come back with post-excavation photos of that crash. You have further failed to explain why a shoot down would result in no wreckage. That makes no sense.
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  16.  @Draper11  I'll try, but I don't know if the link will work. If there is no next post with a link, then it didn't work.
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  17. Everyone reacts differently to grief. Maybe the spotlight helps her through her lifelong grieving process.
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  18. After witnessing humankind for 60 years, I grow more weary of humanity every year.
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  19. No, it worked. They thwarted the hijacker's plan.
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  20. Respect for the families wishes?
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  21. Interesting perspective. I think most passengers thought they would be dead anyway, since the chances of any passengers successfully landimg a 757 would be small.
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  22. OK, Exhibit One. the 9/11 truth movement.
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  23. ​ @Cookie-hg4xb  Well what's your version of flight 93? And then we can discuss both.
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  24.  @Cookie-hg4xb  OK, I'll do it for you. You would have us believe, I take it, that the government decided it was more important to have flight 93 target blades of grass in the middle of nowhere, rather than buildings with people in them. Why is that? To minimize the death toll? To have some utterly irrelevant "hero story"? Or was dead grass necessary to fight a war? That's 911 truth for you. 3rd grade intellectual level.
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  25. Because you'll believe anything. Think, and extra 44 deaths in the middle of nowhere. Only a twoofer would think that a sensible plot.
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  26. But just think for a moment how ridiculous that is. No wonder it was invented by truthers. The goal of ter--sm is to maximize fear and terror, not diminish it. That's called common sense, and all you need to know to reject that claim.
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  27.  @blackscorpion-h8i  Which part didn't happen?
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  28.  user-ol6zy2pb9b  That's absolute nonsense thru and thru. The goal of Te--ism has always been to MAXIMIZE fear, NOT cheer people up. It's so absurd on the face of it. It's another example how so much of this discussion is dominated by people who cannot grasp the nature of reality. They grasp at any straw, no matter how self-evidently preposterous. And to be clear, I am not saying you necessarily. So don't take it personally. I am sure you are very well meaning.
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  29.  user-ol6zy2pb9b  In addition, there is no convincing evidence of a fake crash, and mounds of evidence for a real crash. I challenge you to debate each and every claim related to flight 93. And if you are really serious, you would acknowledge any proven error demonstrated by me. And needless to say, vice versa. Are you up for it? cheers
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  30.  @danmilosevich  Of course not. Youtube is the perfect setting for mindless bots.
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  31. Not a sensible analysis IMO. I have also watched flight 93 for two decades now. There is no one I know of who said they saw a missile hit the plane. The closet I saw was a women who said she saw a smaller plane, then broke down crying. Is that the one? She never said she actually saw a missile strike the plane. Virtually all the debris was found in or near the crater. There were only two other small debris fields, one about a mile away, which can easily be explained by the blast forces, and one some 8 miles away, upwind from the site. It contained only lite weight material, some paper and insulation. This is similar to what happened in two other crashes, thus proving that such material can be carried by air currants after having been blasted into the air, much like a thermal.
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  32. So what DID happen then?
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  33. But not as bull as the notion that the government faked a hijacking for the sole purpose of an irrelevant feel-good hero story. If we are to reject the official account, we need something serious to replace it with. Brain-dead theories fashioned by the mentally disordered are out of bounds.
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  34. It landed in Memphis to pick up Elvis.
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  35. Hopefully not from the perspective of the fringe psycho truthers, such as their claim the war on terror/Iraq could not have been fought without some heroes starring in an airborne melodrama. Not even Hollywood for Kids could come up with that.
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  36.  @IxMADMANxl  So you believe the media when it fits your bias, but at all other 9/11 media stories are to be summarily dismissed. Hey look dude, there's a reason this is a Youtube forum and not a scholarly venue. You just proved it.
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  37. Yeah, my favorite story is the idea that 911 depended on a midair soap opera to give people a sense of hope. Since the ostensible goal of terrorism is not to reassure people, but scare them half to death, this again shows how the truth movement cannot do sensible analysis or connect the bigger dots.
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  38.  user-ol6zy2pb9b  I agree. And the consensus, even within the truther community, is that flight 93 was real, and it really did crash in PA. I'm happy you agree.
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  39. Sorry, they didn't.
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  40. Indeed sounds hard to fathom. They found only an estimated 8% of the total human remains, mostly in very very tiny pieces.
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  41. There's hardly a consensus among pilots.
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  42.  @krisaaron5771  I guess I missed your point. Sorry.
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  43.  @krisaaron5771  "that landing safely is or should be a major part of anyone's plan" OK, I agree. Is your main point that should have been a red flag?
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  44.  @Draper11  OK, enter this search term into Google: "Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 and 9/11's United Flight 93" Will take you to comparison photos.
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  45.  @Draper11  And we have this from Northwest flight 710 "The airliner's fuselage emerged from the black cloud minus its entire right wing and with only a large stub of the left wing still attached. For a few seconds it continued in level flight ... and then it began an almost vertical plunge to earth, trailing smoke and fire like a spent rocket. It struck a field at 618 MPH. Mud, dirt, grass, shrubs and mottled snow were tossed 250 ft into the air. The debris fell back around a muddy crater forty feet wide. From this gaping wound in the earth poured smouldering smoke. There were pieces of wreckage around the perfectly formed rim. Some other metal fragments were hurled fifteen hundred feet away. But the one hundred foot fuselage itself had disappeared entirely. In the crater, buried twelve feet under this smoking cauldron, was what was left of Northwest Airlines flight 710 - and the 33 men, 21 woman and 8 children and 1 infant aboard. ... The residue of flight 710 was something even the most veteran investigators had never come across before. There were no bodies."
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  46.  @Draper11  You're welcome. I get frustrated with the truth movement types who call us "the sheeple" or imply the rest of us are so stup-d, so I make that assumption too often and overreact sometimes. Sorry. I hope you found the pictures of Ethiopian flight 302. Even if it doesn't convince you, at least it's a start.
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  47.  @Draper11  I guess I am seeing a problem with your logic, which may be totally my fault. If we agree that except for very rare disappearances like Malaysian over the Indian Ocean, all plane crashes leave wreckage somewhere. So that would be true if F93 was deliberately crashed by the hijackers, but just as true if it were also shot down. So how would a shoot down be exempt from leaving wreckage - if that's what you're saying.
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  48.  @nevaoswald70  Do you think everyone was fooled except you? We are all id-ots and the NTSB are all id-ots. Got it.
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  49. Sure thing, the evidence is all fake, even though you have zero proof. What is it about truthers that it's the LACK of evidence that motivates them? The less evidence the better.
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  50.  @kathierouse6046  Well it's all out there if you google it.
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