Comments by "cchris874" (@cchris874) on "Portrait of Courage: Flight 93 | Full Documentary" video.

  1. Some people will tell you anything.
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  2.  @blackscorpion-h8i  I think the passenger revolt is pretty well proven by the phone calls. What counter facts or evidence can you cite which would refute this?
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  3. They recovered most of the wreckage. So what are you talking about.
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  4. I don't think we know for sure if the cockpit was breached. But either way, the passenger revolt saved lives.
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  5. You have fallen for the junk science of the truth movement and failed to detect all of its lies, such as their Big Lie that cell phones from flight 93 could not have worked. Or building 7 had only small fires. And you probably believe it, right? If you want to see engineer Tony Szamboti be soundly refuted by Ryan Mackey , please ad this to your watch list: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1u3KO9kUdE cheers
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  6. Indian Lake is about 1.5 miles from impact the way the crow flies. Bullets can go way farther than that. The densest items found at Indian Lake were small pieces of metal. They were found mixed with pine needles, also found near the impact site. Put 2 and 2 together.
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  7.  user-ol6zy2pb9b  Kindly tell us what the government hoped to achieve with flight 93. Why was it needed if the plan already called for 3 toppled skyscrapers and 2,800 deaths? If you can't answer that, you have nothing to go on.
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  8.  user-ol6zy2pb9b  It certainly did. Mounds of evidence confirm it: though not many as one would like, there are indeed wreckage photos, including both black boxes, part of an engine, we have the radar tape tracking it there, we have the testimony of the controllers who monitered it there. The county coroner ID'ng all the victims (was he fooled, or threatened with death?). A photo of the crash plume, 12 witnesses identified by name who saw the crash as it happened. We have the engine part found by a state trooper near the catch basin. Was he lying? Over 1,000 recovery workers were involved in the clean up. None suggested anything untoward (that I am aware of). And of course the obvious: the phone calls. And now the evidence of a fake crash: zero. cheers
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  9. The military did not shoot this plane down!
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  10. My God doesn't allow 911s to happen.
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  11. Actually three. Elvis rode on the third one.
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  12.  @sierravista9013  Oops, my bad. I thought you meant the military blew it up.
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  13. Not if the families don't want it.
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  14. The first 3 flights were no different than almost all the previous hijackings in history. Flight 93 passengers was the first time in history they knew their plane was going to be used for mass murder on the ground. Thus the context before and after flight 77 are completely different.
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  15. Sorry, you are mistaken. "Check any plane crash in history." I did, but you didn't. Ethiopian flight 302 was buried even more completely. And please don't come back with post-excavation photos of that crash. You have further failed to explain why a shoot down would result in no wreckage. That makes no sense.
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  16.  @Draper11  I'll try, but I don't know if the link will work. If there is no next post with a link, then it didn't work.
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  17. Everyone reacts differently to grief. Maybe the spotlight helps her through her lifelong grieving process.
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  18. After witnessing humankind for 60 years, I grow more weary of humanity every year.
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  19. No, it worked. They thwarted the hijacker's plan.
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  20. Respect for the families wishes?
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  21. Interesting perspective. I think most passengers thought they would be dead anyway, since the chances of any passengers successfully landimg a 757 would be small.
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  22. OK, Exhibit One. the 9/11 truth movement.
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  23. ​ @Cookie-hg4xb  Well what's your version of flight 93? And then we can discuss both.
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  24.  @Cookie-hg4xb  OK, I'll do it for you. You would have us believe, I take it, that the government decided it was more important to have flight 93 target blades of grass in the middle of nowhere, rather than buildings with people in them. Why is that? To minimize the death toll? To have some utterly irrelevant "hero story"? Or was dead grass necessary to fight a war? That's 911 truth for you. 3rd grade intellectual level.
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  25. Because you'll believe anything. Think, and extra 44 deaths in the middle of nowhere. Only a twoofer would think that a sensible plot.
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  26. But just think for a moment how ridiculous that is. No wonder it was invented by truthers. The goal of ter--sm is to maximize fear and terror, not diminish it. That's called common sense, and all you need to know to reject that claim.
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  27.  @blackscorpion-h8i  Which part didn't happen?
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  28.  user-ol6zy2pb9b  That's absolute nonsense thru and thru. The goal of Te--ism has always been to MAXIMIZE fear, NOT cheer people up. It's so absurd on the face of it. It's another example how so much of this discussion is dominated by people who cannot grasp the nature of reality. They grasp at any straw, no matter how self-evidently preposterous. And to be clear, I am not saying you necessarily. So don't take it personally. I am sure you are very well meaning.
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  29.  user-ol6zy2pb9b  In addition, there is no convincing evidence of a fake crash, and mounds of evidence for a real crash. I challenge you to debate each and every claim related to flight 93. And if you are really serious, you would acknowledge any proven error demonstrated by me. And needless to say, vice versa. Are you up for it? cheers
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  30.  @danmilosevich  Of course not. Youtube is the perfect setting for mindless bots.
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  31. Not a sensible analysis IMO. I have also watched flight 93 for two decades now. There is no one I know of who said they saw a missile hit the plane. The closet I saw was a women who said she saw a smaller plane, then broke down crying. Is that the one? She never said she actually saw a missile strike the plane. Virtually all the debris was found in or near the crater. There were only two other small debris fields, one about a mile away, which can easily be explained by the blast forces, and one some 8 miles away, upwind from the site. It contained only lite weight material, some paper and insulation. This is similar to what happened in two other crashes, thus proving that such material can be carried by air currants after having been blasted into the air, much like a thermal.
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  32. So what DID happen then?
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  33. But not as bull as the notion that the government faked a hijacking for the sole purpose of an irrelevant feel-good hero story. If we are to reject the official account, we need something serious to replace it with. Brain-dead theories fashioned by the mentally disordered are out of bounds.
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  34. It landed in Memphis to pick up Elvis.
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  35. Hopefully not from the perspective of the fringe psycho truthers, such as their claim the war on terror/Iraq could not have been fought without some heroes starring in an airborne melodrama. Not even Hollywood for Kids could come up with that.
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  36.  @IxMADMANxl  So you believe the media when it fits your bias, but at all other 9/11 media stories are to be summarily dismissed. Hey look dude, there's a reason this is a Youtube forum and not a scholarly venue. You just proved it.
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  37. Yeah, my favorite story is the idea that 911 depended on a midair soap opera to give people a sense of hope. Since the ostensible goal of terrorism is not to reassure people, but scare them half to death, this again shows how the truth movement cannot do sensible analysis or connect the bigger dots.
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  38.  user-ol6zy2pb9b  I agree. And the consensus, even within the truther community, is that flight 93 was real, and it really did crash in PA. I'm happy you agree.
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  39. Sorry, they didn't.
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  40. Indeed sounds hard to fathom. They found only an estimated 8% of the total human remains, mostly in very very tiny pieces.
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  41. There's hardly a consensus among pilots.
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  42.  @krisaaron5771  I guess I missed your point. Sorry.
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  43.  @krisaaron5771  "that landing safely is or should be a major part of anyone's plan" OK, I agree. Is your main point that should have been a red flag?
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  44.  @Draper11  OK, enter this search term into Google: "Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 and 9/11's United Flight 93" Will take you to comparison photos.
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  45.  @Draper11  And we have this from Northwest flight 710 "The airliner's fuselage emerged from the black cloud minus its entire right wing and with only a large stub of the left wing still attached. For a few seconds it continued in level flight ... and then it began an almost vertical plunge to earth, trailing smoke and fire like a spent rocket. It struck a field at 618 MPH. Mud, dirt, grass, shrubs and mottled snow were tossed 250 ft into the air. The debris fell back around a muddy crater forty feet wide. From this gaping wound in the earth poured smouldering smoke. There were pieces of wreckage around the perfectly formed rim. Some other metal fragments were hurled fifteen hundred feet away. But the one hundred foot fuselage itself had disappeared entirely. In the crater, buried twelve feet under this smoking cauldron, was what was left of Northwest Airlines flight 710 - and the 33 men, 21 woman and 8 children and 1 infant aboard. ... The residue of flight 710 was something even the most veteran investigators had never come across before. There were no bodies."
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  46.  @Draper11  You're welcome. I get frustrated with the truth movement types who call us "the sheeple" or imply the rest of us are so stup-d, so I make that assumption too often and overreact sometimes. Sorry. I hope you found the pictures of Ethiopian flight 302. Even if it doesn't convince you, at least it's a start.
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  47.  @Draper11  I guess I am seeing a problem with your logic, which may be totally my fault. If we agree that except for very rare disappearances like Malaysian over the Indian Ocean, all plane crashes leave wreckage somewhere. So that would be true if F93 was deliberately crashed by the hijackers, but just as true if it were also shot down. So how would a shoot down be exempt from leaving wreckage - if that's what you're saying.
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  48.  @nevaoswald70  Do you think everyone was fooled except you? We are all id-ots and the NTSB are all id-ots. Got it.
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  49. Sure thing, the evidence is all fake, even though you have zero proof. What is it about truthers that it's the LACK of evidence that motivates them? The less evidence the better.
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  50.  @kathierouse6046  Well it's all out there if you google it.
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  51. You have allowed yourself to be brainwashed by the truth movement.
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  52. Tell your truther brethren to see the article "Unsafe at any Air Speed?" Confirmed cell calls connected at all phases of flight. This represents the difference between 1st rate vs 2nd rate research. Or as likely, shielding the truth from truthers. cheers
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  53. Problem with that is, there's no proof.
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  54. When dealing with 2nd rate minds, no such answers are required. They cannot clearly articulate why a fake crash was needed. Flight 93 was irrelevant, a useless crash in the middle of nowhere makes not an iota of sense in terms of contributing to the alleged false flag.
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  55. There's no real convincing evidence. More importantly, how does a government make up an absurd tale, complete with fake relatives and non-existent voice-morphing technology, with phone calls that all occurred just moments before the alleged shoot down? Most of these calls, in some cases taped, were revealed within hours of the crash. That makes this an absurd theory.
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  56. Spot on. The US today is one gigantic algorithm. I call it invasion of the body snatchers. AI is a myth. It's actually people who are in effect AI. The level of stupidity and conformism is at an all time high. Not to mention an all time high of people who have nothing but contempt for others. Witness Trump. I don't know the explanation, but we have before us the true fruition of the worst of the corporate capitalist system. Today's corporate medicine seeks to kill you. It will only prescribe a band-aid unless you are on death's doorstep. How we got to this sad state I don't know.
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  57. You've been totally refuted. Always nice to have the last word. 🙂
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  58.  @Cookie-hg4xb  I know it's for adults. So why are you participating? I stumped you completely, and you don't like it, hence your bowing out of discussion. Only 3rd graders would propose that a plot to invade Iraq involves blowing up a hole IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. The stupidity speaks for itself.
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  59.  @anitalusk3165  Hello there, OK, I admit this is an obsession crash for me, as you have seen. What you seem to have been told are only tidbits of the government's story, which personally I believe, obviously. The front part of the plane were the only large sections found above ground. But they found the rest mostly under the crater. Nothing suspicious once you learn of similar events like Northwest flight 710, and Ethiopian 302. They found 1500 body fragments from which most pax IDs were made. Google "Wally Miller." As I've said before, government aren't as stupid as many truthers (not you) claim. No government in its right mind is going to target an empty useless field in the middle of nowhere. Again, not saying you should agree or disagree with me; but doesn't that strike you as just utterly bizarre? I mean, why not target a rabbit habitat, or mink farm? The truth is literally staring one in the face.
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  60. Garbage
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  61. May God almighty explain why he passed papers on a world where he knew 9/11s and other tragedies would happen regularly. Is he powerless, or a moral failure? Or both? He seemed to like genocide: " in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God gives you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes." (Deut 2:16:-18).
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  62. That is the most juvenile theory to have come from the truth movement. Why was hope needed? Anymore than say, dancing lessons? The idea of the attack, government or otherwise, was to scare the living crap out of people, not cheer them up!!!!!!! I don't know what grade your in, but this is not Alice in Wonderland. Governments don't hijack planes to make people feel good! It's an astoundingly stupid notion. And more importantly, there is not even a sliver of evidence to back it up. Like I said before, you have no credibility. And that's why no one cares about your posts.
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  63. Even granting the evil of the US government, if you are trying to say flight 93 didn't happen as stated, kindly provide evidence of what did happen. There is really no theory that makes flight 93 work as a false flag, as it was an utterly useless crash, irrelevant to the goals of the alleged perpetrators.
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  64.  @anitalusk3165  Well I agree on that. And so should the truth movement.
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  65. Yawn
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  66. ​ @chrissmith-rw8ei  Perhaps they are right. But without providing substantial evidence that can be evaluated by the public, the claim proves nothing to anyone other than you. We also have to consider that at least a dozen named witnesses described an intact plane as it hit the ground. How do I know two state troopers have more credibility than a dozen eyewitnesses?
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  67.  @donnamyers7274  Sounds fair to me.
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  68. This is wrong. I can cite other crashes where there were no bodies. There was indeed debris, pictures prove it, including engine core, black boxes, a 5-7 foot fuselage section w window panes; and also enough human remains to ID all the passengers. You need to do better research.
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  69. And he was such a liar, promising to release the classified info pertaining to the Saudi government about 911. The politicians are no good, all of them.
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