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Comments by "cchris874" (@cchris874) on "Father And Son Make First Court Appearance In Death Of Ahmaud Arbery | NBC Nightly News" video.
Jeremo Brown You cannot make a citizen's arrest by pointing a gun at a person whom you cannot positively ID. No different than a mugger doing it to you. Once you use a gun, you have forfeited your right to self-defense.
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@Mad_Beefs Unless you are an on-duty cop in uniform, if you point a gun at someone, you are the initiator of assault with a deadly weapon. No different than if a mugger did it to you. Once you display the gun, you have forfeited your right to life.
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Stannis Baratheon Where did you see the punches? The video I saw, you hear the first shot almost immediately after Arbery reaches the front of the truck. Where do you see a punch before you hear the first shot?
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But VERY few, even by Youtube standards. Shows there's no real grey area here.
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Why are they being wrongfully jailed? They pointed a gun at a man. So if the man gets shot, it's automatically their fault. The timing proves it.
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@thomwessels2281 Fact is, every lawyer/ prosecutor I have seen so far in Georgia has said this goes beyond bounds for a citizen's arrest. The information is changing rapidly, but as of last night Gregory M was quoted as saying he recognized him from past incidents, and did not witness a current burglary, a requirement for citizen's arrest. Tell me if that info has been updated, and I'll change my view accordingly. 2nd, if you point a gun at someone, or have it displayed, you are using bad judgement and inviting an unsafe outcome for everyone. And if it's pointed at you, that's assault with a deadly weapon. I agree we don't know for a fact it was pointing at Arbery. I agree with you this might not be murder. But absolutely manslaughter for initiating an illegal and unsafe chase.
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He didn't run up to a man, he was jogging and saw a man pointing a gun at him. That's assault right there. Arbery had every right to shoot him dead.
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Andy The thing is, from the moment we see Arbery jogging past the the front of the car, the first gunshot is heard almost immediately. That means there was not time for any meaningful pre-shot conflict. Arbery saw a gun, and could only react in 2 seconds. That means a gun was pointing at him immediately. No time for prior conflict. Under that circumstance, Arbery had every right to grab the gun, or shoot him dead, anything. Because the gunman committed assault and threatened his life, period. There is no room for further discussion.
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@AllinAllisAllweAllare There was no grounds for a citizens arrest. But lets say there was. In a citizen's arrest you have no right to point a gun at someone. End of discussion. A citizen's arrest that results in the killing of the suspect is still unlawful, unless the jogger initiated assault, which clearly did not happen here.
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@thishandleistaken1011 There was no burglary in over 6 weeks. Father and son couldn't positively identify Arbery as any burglar. They had no right to point at gun at him. When you point a gun at someone, you become the initiator of assault. Arbery saw his life being threatened out of the blue. That would make anyone scared sh-tless. He had a right to shoot him dead, if he had his own gun. I would have done so if I had a gun.
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@MsMookie513 As usual, sheer stupidity did them in, in this case the brainless lawyer.
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Delonte Hollister No objection fro me.
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@thomwessels2281 P.S. You don't need to be a lawyer to put the pieces together intelligently.
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@thomwessels2281 "They recognized the criminal from prior burglaries in the neighborhood, but of course did NOT witness the latest burglary" Doesn't matter because technically they still violated Georgia law. Especially since they were relying on memory from at least 30 days prior. "Of COURSE they used bad judgement and took the law into their own hands but a dangerous criminal is now permanently off the street" OK, so people see it through different lenses. But you gotta admit I did at least a little better than many who are certain of cold blooded murder.
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Jeremo Brown You still don't get it. You aren't allowed to make a citizen's arrest by pointing a gun at someone. That's pure unadulterated assault with a lethal weapon. By your standard, any mugger or killer could just say he was making a citizen's arrest and get away with murder. Go for it.
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But there was no burglary here. So moot point.
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MAC lester There's no video I'm aware of him breaking into house. Please provide a link to the claim.
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What about them?
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Maybe so, but anytime someone other than a marked policeman points a gun at you, that's assault pure and simple. Arbery had every right to shoot the man dead.
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@AllinAllisAllweAllare You shouldn't be pointing guns at people to begin with. This result shows exactly why. "so wait for police to show up them they get in trouble for brandishing weapons.' YES, that's exactly right. They shouldn't have pointed a gun at Arbery - the police agree !!!! . Because it's far too dangerous, as his death shows. You do not have a right to demand someone stop when you point a gun at them. By your standard any thug or mugger or killer could come along and just say, "Oh jeeez, he looked like a burglar, so I shot him dead."
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@AllinAllisAllweAllare I was just reading up on the details of the case. This was not a valid citizen's arrest because you have to witness the crime in question, and in immediate response to that, attempt to use reasonable force. Virtually every prosecutor and lawyer in Georgia who has commented so far has stated this went well out of bounds for a citizen's arrest. -Greg stated he did not witness any crime, only that he recognized Arbery from past incidents. -Reasonable force does not mean brandishing a gun. I can understand why Gregory shot him, but you miss the big picture when you grant him permission to have displayed the gun to begin with. Big no-no. -the timing of the first shot comes within 2 seconds of Arbery reaching Travis' location. -I will grant reasonable doubt may exist whether the gun was literally pointing at Arbery when he reached Travis. -It has been said Arbery had mental deficits. I suppose you could argue that could benefit each party for different reasons. -I will thus grant that this may not have been murder, but at the very least manslaughter.
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@AllinAllisAllweAllare Hope that sounds more reasonable to you.
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