Comments by "cchris874" (@cchris874) on "Kirk Cameron says 'Homosexuality is unnatural'" video.

+cece jones "I understand everything that you are saying and I really respect you. You are extremely nice and I am very surprised by that. Not because you are not a nice person or anything but because alot of people usually attack Christians for their staunch beliefs on this issue. Again, I am very surprised but very thankful as well. With that being said though I understand where you are coming from what your saying does not really add up and seems kind of biased. Where does the "moral compass" you are talking about come from? Also what about all the criminals and other people who choose not to use their moral compass? In my opinion you have a few holes in your theory. Lastly, have you ever the Bible? Alot of what you say is based off of false assumptions." I would think we all have our biases, and I certainly approach the subject with a certain pre-existing view that it is highly dubious all of the Bible is the literal word of God. Being Agnostic/leaning towards atheism is in one sense a bias. Just as belief the Bible is the literal word of God is a kind of bias. That said, I try my best to separate opinions from known facts. For example, I readily admit I do not have a proof one way or the other about whether God exists, or the Bible is his literal word. I'd like to focus on one of my previous points. If we rely too much on the Bible, are we then in essence saying we are giving up some of our own judgement about matters right and wrong? As I stated, there aren't that many passages in the Bible about homosexuality. Suppose for the sake of argument the Bible had nothing to say about homosexuality. Would you still feel it was a sin? If not, would you still find it to be wrong for, say, 2 men to have a sexual relationship? And if so, what reasons might you give? Thanks
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Elpenga Grande If their lifestyle leads to extinction, would you care to explain why they (and we) are still here? "Butt-f---ery" is not synonymous with gay males, as surveys and studies indicate a large % of straight couples practice it; and a large % of gay men do not practice it. Nor is anal sex the most popular form of "gay sex." It's this ridiculously stupid definition that leads to the stunning failure of logic we see in post after post of the hater, the simple minded, and the just plain stupid, of which you are clearly one. But what else is new in the land of bigotry. cheers
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Elpenga Grande "Personal insults aren't going to change the fact that homosexuality is unnatural." That is not using logic or intelligence effectively. "unnatural" can mean several things, such as 1- not occurring in nature 2- not the norm in nature 3- not correlating with the facts of human anatomy 4- "deviating from a behavioral or social norm" 5- same as 4 but with the added provision that such deviance is immoral or inappropriate. So, homosexuality is unnatural by definitions 2, 3, 4; but not by 1, and a matter of opinion only in 5 Thus one might say of homosexuality that it is unnatural, unnatural, unnatural, natural, and both natural and unnatural. So, does such a term really help settle anything? cheers
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phoenix1985 "There are some who prey exclusively on boys or girls. Doesnt make them gay or straight." I see two distinct issues here. 1) The semantics: whether the gay/straight terminology applies to pedophiles. I gather that based on both custom, and the definition of these terms, this terminology doesn't apply to pedophiles. Fair enough! 2) Whether there is reality to the notion (not the terminology) that some men who desire only boy children, do so because the maleness of the child (e.g. having a penis, etc) is a necessary condition for their arousal / desire. IF that is the case (not saying it is in fact the case), then don't we have a valid distinction within the pedophile model that more or less maps to the gay/straight distinction? I think that's a valid question. Maybe you would know the answer to it? cheers
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Elpenga Grande Having done a little research in the last 24 hours, I think the main point is really this. Pedophilia - whether a preference for boys or girls - is a distinct phenomenon from sexual orientation towards adults. They have different mechanisms and causes. Thus, attraction to boys may in the broadest sense be construed as a form homosexuality; but it does not correlate with or map to homosexual attraction towards adults. In other words, you would have to show that all the male pedophiles who prefer boys are a subset of the SAME men who self-identify as gay in surveys of the prevalence of homosexuality. Until such proof is provided, it is speculative only to try and make an inherent connection between the two. cheers
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Elpenga Grande So, what exactly is your point. That one can't be a responsible gay person?
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+Tariq Gibrael Alright, way to go. I successfully scared Tariq Gibrael" and his his bad mannered bigotry away. Looks like he removed his tedious thousand page long thread. Speaks to the success of my posts. Unable to handle them like an adult or refute them, he cowered behind the convenient solution of censorship, and in the process censored all of his own posts as well. He did me and everyone else a big favor. That's right, go take your bigotry somewhere else and leave the civilized world alone. It has no place for you.
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@robert9674 And how is it you know that of all the hundreds of gods and religions and their variants currently being worshiped worldwide, yours is the true one?
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On what?
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Pitts DaThird Whatever its etymology, your definition is incomplete as the term is also defined as aversion to or dislike of, or prejudice against gays. Especially irrational prejudice.
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Pitts DaThird "That’s not the case with people who are against homosexuality." That's not an intelligent comment, as it is clear many people who are against homosexuality also have irrational and hateful views towards it. One obvious example are the Christina ministries devoted to gay conversion therapy, holding the irrational belief that gays can genuinely change through prayer, touch therapy and retrieval of alleged fetal memories. The spectacular failure of conversion therapy and the extreme harm it has caused is more than enough to demonstrate its extreme irrationality.
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Pitts DaThird OK, so I'm a gay man. Tell me what form of rehabilitation has been shown to successfully cure me of my gayness. Can you cite a source that would pass scientific muster? If not, then quoting from the bible is not going to help unless the bible contains the instruction manual for this alleged rehabilitation. There is no demonstrable evidence that most people can change their orientation. This is what I mean by being gay.
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@recoveringmillennial9695 It may be sustainable if the maternal line theory of homosexuality turns out to be true.
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@recoveringmillennial9695 How would you know that?
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@recoveringmillennial9695 Well it's obvious homosexuality is sustainable because gays exist. We see homosexual behavior in many animal species. The maternal line theory is one example of a theory which could explain this. Are you familiar with it? Rarely is a single variable the only explanation for major societal change. What evidence to you have that acceptance of homosexuality is the only or even primary cause of societal collapse? Are you a sociologist by training? Or is it just an intuition?
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@recoveringmillennial9695 "Not gonna bother reading that, you clearly don't understand that I'm not interested in your side of the argument." Actually that's crystal clear. Like most people who have no interest in having a real conversation, you only care about you, not others. Why would that be so hard for me to understand?
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@recoveringmillennial9695 "Not at all true, I just don't care about you." Or anything that might challenge your dogmas. This is precisely how they flourish: refusing to provide evidence for simplistic claims, or consider any different point of view. Then abruptly shutting the door on anyone who might be a little inconvenient. A tried and true formula for intellectual cowards.
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Why did god create gay attraction if He is against gay attraction?
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