Comments by "cchris874" (@cchris874) on "Uganda President: "Homosexuals are disgusting"" video.

  1. “Respect African societies and their values.” But don't respect other people and their values. A classic case of evident hypocrisy.
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  2.  @3kbschannel288  "Where did he say don’t respect others’ value?" Do you respect the Nazi's values of executing Jews? It's the same basic principle, though obviously less extreme. He's asking us to respect disrespect of gays.
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  3.  @electr_icity4613  When your values are intolerant and morally bankrupt, ANYONE has the right to say so. When Donald Trump's values are pieces of sh-t, I call him on that a too. Respect has to do with treating people humanely. In THIS instance, people are being mistreated.
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  4.  @3kbschannel288  We all have a choice. In this particular instance, we can choose to make the world a better place by disrespecting cruel and outlandish punishment of innocent people. Or we can choose the course of man's inhumanity to man.
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  5. Respect for hatred is one of mankind's many foibles.
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  6.  @pekh1859  " 'you don't get to fucking decide who's values are "intolerant" or "morally bankrupt', " Oh yes I do, and so do you. We should all know the basics. Is murder wrong? Yes. And you and I both know it. In Uganda the law says if you are gay or practice homosexuality you are subject to life in prison. That is wrong, and if you can't see that, then I can say with complete confidence that you are holding a morally evil point of view. Now if you want to get into a discussion of what morality consists, I am happy to have that discussion with you. When we spell out what makes the world a moral place in principle, life in prison for gays won't cut it. If you think it can be done, let's hear your argument.
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  7.  @electr_icity4613  Oh sorry. At Youtube very little is obvious.
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  8. You only find it refreshing because he agrees with you.
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  9.  @stopcensorship7705  Misses the point as always. But then, what does one expect from people with a degree in Bedroom Management.
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  10. They are upsetting to you because your worldview is at a less advance stage of morality than what humanity has been able to achieve so far in the 21st century. Uganda is way behind the times. Example: they have a law against the practicing of witchcraft. Anyone with a brain in their head knows that witchcraft doesn't exist. That's part of the chasm between the more enlightened rational perspectives of the West, and the more dysfunctional morality of many non-western societies. Tolerance, evidence-based views, extending kindness to all innocent people, these are fundamentally superior values than hatred of your fellow humans. Minding your own business also seems to be a problem not just for the West, but for many in Africa as well. Homosexuals are not directly harming you. Maturity means getting on with your life and not sticking your nose into what people do in the privacy of their bedroom. That basic lesson in maturity 101 is lost on millions of Africans. They need to grow up.
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  11. Yes, but calling for their execution is a bit extreme, don't you think? Even a PhD in Bedroom Management isn't needed to understand that.
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  12.  Apollox44 Pollo  You are incapable of rational argument. Stick to what you're good at: hatred. Your posts are examples of why there is a dark side to humanity.
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  13. @@OnlyHomiesAllowed And persecuting consenting adults for what they do in their bedroom has literally nothing to do with justice. It's simply none of the government's business. (Unless you can show that some forms of sex are causing harm, such as incest.) But gay sex doesn't harm people per se. It only does so if the rest of the society goes bonkers and can't conduct themselves in a mature way. Perhaps that would indeed be Uganda.
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  14.  Apollox44 Pollo  "Objectively you have no basis for claiming that pedophilia does children harm" Per your suggestion I read the Rind study and it doesn't claim that children are not harmed. It merely claims that in the aggregate the assumption of widespread or near universal harm has been exaggerated. Nor does it have anything like a definitive analysis of long term post traumatic stress. Plenty of people have suffered great harm do to sexual abuse as kids. You cannot make the same claim about consensual homosexual sex.
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  15.  @stopcensorship7705  Thank you for admitting gay may be biological. Progress!
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  16. In your eyes perhaps. But you are not an official spokesman for humanity, nor do you have anything remotely resembling a proof it's wrong. Until you have one, such pronouncements are no more interesting than anyone else's.
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  17.  @Connect_with_Yourself  He may not necessarily be homophobic by Ugandan standards, but if you are going to advise people to "leaving others to have their own beliefs" without shaming them, that's exactly what Mr. Museveni is NOT doing. He's not leaving gays alone, and has in the past supported both life in prison and the death penalty for gays. That's unGodly. We are supposed to love thine enemies, not slaughter them.
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  18. Do you have any other mass murderer heroes?
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  19.  @famousmwofficial8046  If you want the respect of the West, celebrating the opinion of Uganda's foremost murderer isn't going to do the job.
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  20. I really don't care in the final analysis if people hate homosexuality. But what's far more shocking is the degree to which a video like this brings out the dark side of human nature, literally by the droves. It's to the point of an obsession. I guess many people simply need targets to hate, rather than to ignore. It's just another example of homo sapiens' innate aggression. The irony to me is how religion is often invoked. Yet if we are wired for aggression, as I think the evidence shows, we can only blame God for that. After all we are said to be made in his image.
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  21.  @Tejas-B12  Since no one knows what your opinion is, that's a rather useless comment.
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  22.  @geronimoheavyshadow5046  So you can't directly deal with a specific point without flying into a rant about all the problems of the world. What does Kadafi have to do with Uganda? I talk on many issues on many different threads about Africa, and I choose what interests me. This one is about homosexuality in Uganda. Try to focus your attention to the subject at hand. Uganda may well be ahead of the US on many issues, but not this one.
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  23.  @geronimoheavyshadow5046  I'm entitle to express whatever opinion I want, just as you do. I never said humanity started with homosexuality. I can pick and choose what interests me, just as you pick and choose what you want to post. If you didn't have such obvious axes to grind here, you would first state that you agree with me it's cruel and uncalled for to put a gay person in jail for life just for being gay - THEN you would add all the over stuff you're saying, which would be fine. But you can't even be a good sport and acknowledge obvious atrocity when you see it. Or God forbid you actually don't care about the suffering of your fellow man. Yes, I can say what is and is not human, I have no more or less right to express myself on that subject than an African president or yourself. Being an African president doesn't give one moral authority over you or me. Neither does Donald Trump, or the USA or France.
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  24.  Apollox44 Pollo  To give such weight to an entity whom we cannot prove exists is to put God on an even playing field with any other competing theory of morality. If you can't prove any of it, then it has no more objective standing than Rind's paper or the theory that morality is hardwired into us. "It's simply an abomination, a deviant form of sexuality that is not conducive to procreation. It's like fucking animals. A perversion." Now that you've acknowledged there's no way to objectively measure God's opinion, you statements carry no more weight than anyone else's. Perversion is in the eye of the beholder. Is choosing not to have children also deviant because it isn't conducive to procreation? If God did in fact create us and condemns homosexuality, what was his purpose in creating the environmental/ biological conditions that tempt so many people to choose it, but not other people? God is allegedly omnipotent. That means he had the power to not give us desires of this nature.
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  25.  Apollox44 Pollo  "your claim of moral objectivity is false" I never made that claim, did I? "If we believe it lies in God then an objective source for moral behavior has been agreed upon." Belief in something doesn't make it objective. Further, since many people do not believe in God, in actuality there is no such source except for the believers. So that's not saying very much. "Under an atheistic viewpoint, there is no basis for social cohesion" Not if the basics of morality are hardwired into us. There is now quite a bit of evidence that suggests there may well be some moral universals, similar to Chomsky's universal grammar. But since we as yet lack a robust proof, you are also not in a position to say you have absolute knowledge there isn't a hardwired basis to morality. The theory is up for grabs, and I challenge you to provide the science that says it's impossible.
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  26. Well the act is practiced by many more straight men than gay, at least in the US.
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  27. For a mass murderer.
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  28. Sorry, he isn't. What you find personally disgusting is your opinion, not a fact.
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  29.  @JegameJegame  Do you personally have any empathy for the struggles many gay people go through?
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  30. No he isn't. He just happens to agree with you.
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  31.  @ProfessionalMoron43  It's no use. We are dealing with a lower order reasoning person who cannot grasp the basics of reality.
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  32.  Apollox44 Pollo  We have I see quite a robust debate between Rind and Stephanie Dallam. Why is she wrong and he right?
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  33.  Apollox44 Pollo  "Yet that is the most rational moral theory if you don't believe in a God." How is that? I don't accept pure utilitarianism but I don't particularly believe in God. I don't see the contradiction or irony you're talking about.
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  34.  Apollox44 Pollo  "That is objectively false. Morality is a set of personal codes, ethics is a set of societal codes. Neither are hardwired into us." Well first off, there is no consensus whatever regarding the distinction you are making between ethics and morality. You'd have to spell that out as it's not common knowledge. "No, because the basis for a god-based morality is internally consistent, regardless of whether that being can be proven to exist. " That ignores that some other moral theories also have internal consistency. So that doesn't by itself set God apart. "Childless people are more prone to extremes: either totally hedonistic and reckless, or entirely devoted to work without any social balance." As you tend to like objective studies, where is the science behind this one?
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  35.  Apollox44 Pollo  You cannot prove someone wrong by pontificating about what influences them. As Dallam states, we could judge Rind by the same standards too: and I don't pretend to believe everything I read in a wiki article, but it states that  "In addition, Dallam and Salter stated that Rind and Bauserman were keynote speakers at a pedophile advocacy conference occurring in the Netherlands.[41]" It's misleading to state that there is consensus among mental health experts that pedophilic behavior is in general not harmful. If you don't have the science or background to  to refute Dallam yourself, then neither you nor I are entitled to declare this is the definitive study beyond all reproach.
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  36.  Apollox44 Pollo  "Then your approach isn't rational. It means the underpinning of your morality is not internally consistent, whereas that of a religious person or a pure utilitarian is." Doesn't follow. There is no proof on offer that without God, one cannot construct a rational theory of morality. It's another act of faith on your part masquerading as fact, or stated with inappropriate confidence, or lack of an accompanying proof.
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  37. Maybe in your country, but most liberal countries now are quite accepting of gays. Stop obsessing over them and get a life. It's too short wasting it on those you don't like. By doing so, you are letting them control you.
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  38. It's a sad fact that an entire continent is obsessed with pure hate. Remind me never to go there.
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  39.  @Peep-010  If all poo is bad, why do you constantly post it?
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  40. Fairy tales written by ancient men is a pointless exercise.
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  41.  @POH341  Underage just means under 18 for the most part, though some societies or contexts it might mean 16 or 17 or even 21. I am a gay man. Are you against me?
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  42.  @iRON90111  The question is better stated as, does biology determine sexual orientation? The scientific answer is: the issue remains unsettled.
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  43.  @JegameJegame  What evidence do you have that leaving gay people alone will harm your society?
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  44.  @joniepalay8339  And some opinions are more mature than others.
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  45. Why are they disgusting? Are they all disgusting?
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  46. So what. It proves nothing about homosexuality per se, as many gay men don't have promiscuous sex.
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  47. I think any decent person has to agree that advocating life in prison, as he used to, and probably still does, for gays, is a barbaric view. You don't have to like them, but don't destroy their lives. Did any gay person ever ruin your life?
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  48. Well at the very least, dirt eating is much more common in Africa than in the West. I wouldn't be surprised if they ate that stuff too.
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  49. The one that glorifies gay killing, no doubt.
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  50. Too bad you rank bedroom management above mass murder and torture of the opposition party.
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  51.  Apollox44 Pollo  "I haven't researched it, it's just my opinion" As I thought. Did you just go back and delete that comment about childless couples? I can't find it anywhere, but if you did delete it, you are to be congratulated.
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  52. You left out the "I" after "B".
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  53. Written by ancient peoples, why should we follow it?
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  54. on what?
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  55. glistening with hate.
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  56.  @fredo3161  If I proposed the death penalty for being black, would you call that hate?
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  57. Well that makes him an idiot. He wants gays to get life in prison.
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  58.  @MalingAsliSukolilo  OMG you are living in a world of make believe. Her first question is, "What is your message to....." SHE'S GIVING HIM A PLATFORM ON AN MAJOR INTERNATIONAL NEWS OUTLET TO CRITIQUE THE WEST AND THE LGBTQ MVT Had the exact same question been asked by FOX News, you would be saying, "Way to go FOX !!"
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  59. What about the death penalty for gays, which he recently signed into law? Do you agree with murdering your fellow citizens too?
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  60.  @reginageorge4  Both, I agree.
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  61.  @POH341  How do you know what I do?
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  62.  @iRON90111  That may be your opinion, but it's hardly an established fact. It also makes little sense from the standpoint of evolution. Heterosexuality evolved because it's crucial for an organism's ability to pass on its genes to its offspring. You cannot so casually decouple biology from matters that are crucial for survival. Any more than you could say, thirst is due to preference. So if you accept the theory of evolutionary biology, and sexual attraction, the idea sexuality (orientation) is based on the arbitrary whims of you or your parents/friends/ childhood decisions, has little credibility. Can you point to a body of evidence to support your claim? Or is it just your personal intuition?
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  63. We neither need fairy tails nor shouting to make your point. Grow up.
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  64. Real men aren't the most celebrated mass murderer in a country's history.
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  65.  @famousmwofficial8046  We aren't literally forcing Uganda to do anything. We have put a lot of pressure on him, and again it's a shame the US is focusing on gay rights rather than putting Museveni's horrendous regime in the forefront of international concern. Not because of gays but because of plain old fashioned thuggery. That's what this CNN correspondent should have asked him. Thank you for your replies.
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  66. Yes, like Museveni, they're all rather brutal and murderous.
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  67. Maybe so. But it's hard to live up to the corrupt and murderous Ugandan president, who has slaughtered more innocent people than Obote and Idi Amin combined.
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  68. I would be careful there. While you seem to be an unusually tolerant gay man, remember, this man advocated life in prison for gays. So I don't think you'd feel this way if you lived in Uganda.
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  69.  @loganvggvv641  As much as I support gays and gay rights, I agree the "they must be gay themselves" response is really just speculation. For some I'm sure. But the much more intuitive reason is that, especially for young straight men, gay "behavior" is threatening to the ideals of masculinity. These young men are more likely to fear they might be gay, than to actually be gay. Just my take.
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  70. But anyone has a right to express their opinion. I can respect and understand Uganda culture to a degree. But the death penalty for "aggravated homosexuality" passes any level of common decency. You don't kill people for being gay. This is basic civility. The world has no place for this level of barbarism.
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  71.  @reginageorge4  Obviously it is or they wouldn't have passed laws against it !!! But, not being the majority culture doesn't give you the right to kill. I hope we can at least find common ground on that.
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  72.  @reginageorge4  Does that mean you have the right to slaughter them, as Musevini thinks? Or are you capable of rising above his level of barbarism?
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  73.  @julia2k8  On May 26th, Musevini signed the Anti-Homosexuality Act, which "prescribes life imprisonment for gay sex and the death penalty for 'aggravated homosexuality' ." The latter includes persons "with a previous conviction of homosexuality." So by merely having gay sex one too many times, or "with persons older than seventy-five," he wants you dead. This should be universally recognized as pure barbarism. If anyone deserves the death penalty, it's thugs like Musevini himself. widely seen as having killed more people than both Obote and Idi Amin combined. Ple4ase don't make excuses for a mass murderer.
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  74. Do you share his taste for torture, butchery and fraudulent elections too?
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  75. Still in the anal phase of development I see. Or is it just that you want to be identified as a foul smelling child? If so, you're doing a great job.
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  76. Even though I fully support gay people, the lgbtqtuvwxyz123456 crowd can be very annoying at times.
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  77. You left out the Third Reich.
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  78.  @cuba8188  Irrelevant. My analogy has to do with the persecution of gays, fascist regime or otherwise.
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  79.  @cuba8188  I'm not saying you're a Nazi. But the fact is, killing gays, which is what Musevini recently endorsed, is only a milder version of extermination. I don't see where the moral element enters. Morality differs from person to person, religion to religion. To me, the Golden Rule is perhaps the closest basic principle of morality. Since gays are not persecuting anyone, why is it immoral? Are they violating the golden rule?
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  80. He's as much a hypocrite as she is. He wants to meddle in the lives of others.
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  81.  @xninjawolfx  I have no problem personally with him. The problem is, he doesn't return the favor. His is a philosophy of hate. A more enlightened principle might be, "mind you own business." We in the West have now largely learned that we need not stick our noses into other people's affairs. And the West is not falling apart because of it. Gays are 2% of the population. A mature person recognizes the deeper truth that if they aren't personally harming you, be an adult. Don't stop others from living their lives. Spend your precious time on this earth living your own life, and doing something more productive.
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  82. In a forum like this, we are under no obligation to reveal our nationality, or respect the views of anyone. The US has no plans to invade Uganda over homosexuality. So if one acknowledges this, it's still fair game to criticize a depraved standard. It's just garden variety hypocrisy to demand the West's respect while simultaneously not respecting gay people. I don't say this as a representative of the US. The US is far from perfect, but that said, still more enlightened by far.
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  83. But wrong to kill gays, which he recently passed in to law. That should be of more concern to any decent person, whether you like gays or not.
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  84.  @stopcensorship7705  Some advice. Comedy is not your strong point.
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  85.  @stopcensorship7705  "get a sense of humour then," I think you may have misunderstood. My sense of humor is tuned to a higher level.
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  86. There are two truths here. Yours, and the one you cannot see.
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  87.  @RonJones_eVisibleMarketing  Not if your standard is the Bible, whose truth quotient is unknown.
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  88.  @worldofpaisen  Everything?? I don't think so. Some things have taken a downturn, others arguably have improved. What has gotten better? In the West the murder rate continues to decline, despite mass shootings. In the US it has fallen almost in half in the last 30 years. Also 30 years ago there were twice as many wars going on. These last 2 data points are from Steve Pinker's latest Ted Talk. Or take the decline of corporal punishment in prisons and reform schools, the continuation of a sensitivity to violence going on for centuries now. We consider the welfare of animals. Back in the late 1800s in Paris, they used to burn cats on stage for entertainment. These changes represent in my view a continuing and undeniable evolution of morality. In other departments I agree it's not always rosy. There's been a decline in standards, in raising children and the acceptance of mediocrity, and a more relentlessly greed-driven approach to everything. So to me it's a mixed bag.
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  89.  @worldofpaisen  [Correction: cat burning was not 1800s] Of course to a true believer there is no debate about anything. Concerning biblical morality, I'm curious what your take is on the seeming worst passages, such as Leviticus saying anyone who curses their parents shall be put to death. Do you have any thoughts on that passage? Thanks
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  90. Look, the guy's a madman. He wants to kill gays. That's just another aspect of his overall history of thugism, and being the bloodiest murderer of any Ugandan president in history. This is nothing more than an orgy and celebration of death. Gays ar not out to kill you. So it;s a gross violation of the golden rule.
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  91. Role model for jailing the nonviolent? Another depraved poster.
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  92.  @jakepadgett5569  OK, I believe you.
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  93.  @LittleLoz  That's true. About 30% of heterosexual US men say they did that in the last year. The number is undoubtedly higher. Uganda cannot say that's only in the US. Most would never admit to it.
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  94. It's not a fact, but your opinion. Maybe lower order humans (those who love to hate) cannot even grasp the difference between facts and opinions. Especially a country like Uganda, filled with a sense of insecurity and misery.
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  95. I sense that you don't know the definition of homosexual.
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  96.  @yuhin4694  I am, but tell me why that makes me disgusting.
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  97.  @yuhin4694  The consensus varies by country. The Pew Research polls are the gold standard of public attitudes. In the West, most people now say they accept homosexuality. And also in the West, the DSM and the majority of psychiatrists do not consider homosexuality a mental illness. This has been the case for decades. The last time the DSM defined homosexuality as a disorder was some 49 years ago. I don't know what mental health professionals feel in the rest of the world. But we should make clear that there's not a clear cut global consensus on the status of gay people.
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  98. And pure hatred. It's an example of empathic failure. You don't care about the suffering gays go through. It's all about you.
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  99.  @BlueSky-ej7xn  Bravo !!
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  100. And between all the straight men that do it to their female partners, about 30% or so in any given year.
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  101.  @TommyVercetti-z2u  Only if you leave out gay women. Nice try.
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  102. for the morally backward.
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  103.  @chudsoyjak  No disrespect, but your reply is effectively gibberish. It's meaningless.
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  104.  @chudsoyjak  Must be the alignment of the planets. I suppose by June 24 I will be at my densest. So don't reply to me at that time. :)
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  105. He's especially handy when it comes to mowing down peaceful protesters, or torturing opposition leaders.
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  106. Well that's the first time I've heard of one of Africa's leading butchers having an uncontaminated mind. The frenzy of hatred of gays is one thing. People just love to hate. But it might pay to do some research before clicking the reply button.
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  107.  @sotirisbelsis  Lot's of natural things are disgusting. Like taking a shlt.
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  108.  @stopcensorship7705  You're in every thread it seems. Get a life bro.
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  109.  @vinnieg6161  Well as Uganda's most notorious murderer, he's certainly experienced at killing and torturing his own citizens. And in 2009, a proposed death penalty for gays in Uganda was met with complete indifference by Musevini, who called gays "terrorists."
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  110.  @stopcensorship7705  Yup. That's what we call bisexuals. There are some exceptions too, but the vast majority of gays don't agree. Ask a basic question. If gay were a choice, then why the demand for gay reparative therapy? The movement has also been a colossal failure, the heads of these ministries recanting in later years by the droves. Follow up interviews show these people never changed their attraction.
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  111.  @rggcdufg9526  So have I. 😁
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  112. Right on the money. I can understand a culture that abhors homosexuality. But it's pure hypocrisy to chide the West for not minding its own business, but then trying to tell people in their own country with whom they can sleep. A very basic violation of the Golden Rule. But a real and consistent approach to justice eludes many Ugandans. They too cannot seem to mind their own business.
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  113. Selective honesty only.
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  114. Just a slight correction: You mean thanks, my torturing, murderous thug dictator.
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  115.  @stopcensorship7705  "common sense dictates that everyone comes from heterosexual parents" Which is not in contradiction with treating gays with basic civility. Two entirely different issues.
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  116. The difference is we in the US don't advocate life in prison for people we don't like, the way this man does. The US is far behind other countries on many issues. But on this one, we are light years ahead. It's a basic difference in philosophy. We choose tolerance over hate.
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  117. I don't know. You tell us. Proud of being Uganda's most celebrated mass murderer? Proud of sham elections? Proud of torture chambers?
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  118. Good for you. The whole world waits with bated breath for your next award winning opinion.
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  119. Brutal is well chosen. Uganda's leading butcher, mowing down protesters by the dozen, in love with torture, fraud elections. Tin potism at its very finest.
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  120.  @BasedE-i2m  But let's be real. Gays don't actually eat poo, whereas Africans do really eat dirt.
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  121.  @fartboy700  Indeed. This is kind of like an animal rights activist loving Hitler for going vegetarian.
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  122.  ijumpjudy8  Or millions of heterosexual groomers. Perhaps you are one of them?
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  123.  StopCensorship4--1  "Stay away from kids. Impossible to do that as long as you and your kid brother are here.
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  124. Yes, it's a straight fact that people love to hate.
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  125.  @kevinfernandez9999  Just asking. I'm glad we agree on that.
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  126. Some valid points. Two things though: the attacks on gays are coming from Musevini and his government. He recently signed into law life in prison and the death penalty for gays. By any standard that's effectively murder, and a gross violation of the Golden Rule. 2nd, what does it say about Ugandan society that they cannot mind THEIR own business? Is ultra conformity a good in itself? Or is it ultimately a flaw that causes more harm than good? Yes, we in the West are hardly one to talk about virtue. These are just my personal thoughts. cheers
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  127. ​ Apollox44 Pollo  No, you didn't read the study carefully at all. Here's a direct copy and paste: "On the other hand, a minority of SA men did report retrospectively recalled negative reactions, negative current re- flections, and negative self-perceived effects; moreover, un- wanted CSA was associated with adjustment problems. "
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  128.  Apollox44 Pollo  BTW I think the theories of utilitarianism have a basic and obvious flaw. It gets half of the equation right and the other half wrong. Happiness is only half the picture. The lack of misery is the other, which utilitarianism crudely misses. So in some of the examples you gave above, increased happiness comes at the price of increased misery for a minority. Whereas not enhancing the happiness of the majority (say, banning slavery) doesn't produce anywhere near the same degree of misery in the majority. They just have less enhanced happiness. So utilitarianism would get itself closer to the truth if it acknowledged that misery is more than just a lack of happiness. Perhaps the misery of cruelly burning a person alive outweighs the slightly incremental increased happiness of a million people.
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  129. ​ Apollox44 Pollo  "There is quite a clear consensus on the difference between the definition of morality and ethics. Morality is personal, ethics is societal. Google it." OMG I did actually Google this, for example from wiki "Ethics or moral philosophy is a branch of philosophy that involves systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong conduct.[1] The field of ethics, along with aesthetics, concerns matters of value, and thus comprises the branch of philosophy called axiology.[2] Ethics seeks to resolve questions of human morality by defining concepts such as good and evil, right and wrong, virtue and vice, justice and crime. As a field of intellectual inquiry, moral philosophy also is related to the fields of moral psychology, descriptive ethics, and value theory." There's no hard and fast distinction here.   Or this definition "the branch of knowledge that deals with moral principles."  Hardly much help here either.     And here's dictionary.com    (used with a singular or plural verb) a system of moral principles: the ethics of a culture. (used with a plural verb) the rules of conduct recognized in respect to a particular class of humanactions or a particular group, culture, etc.: medical ethics; Christian ethics. (used with a plural verb) moral principles, as of an individual: His ethics forbade betrayal of a confidence. (used with a singular verb) that branch of philosophy dealing with values relating to human conduct,with respect to the rightness and wrongness of certain actions and to the goodness and badness of the motives and ends of such actions.
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  130.  Apollox44 Pollo  "In science, the onus of proof is on the one making the claim" Absolutely, and you made the claim morality is not in our hardwiring. You have the onus of providing that scientific proof. By contrast, I gave my belief that we may well have some moral hardwiring, but we as of yet lack a robust proof. So it you want to be sceicne based, you should take the more neutral and open-minded position I have taken: it's up for grabs.
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  131.  Apollox44 Pollo  Curious what you think of the below quote from Dallam, if this paste works that is: edit: obviously did to work. OK I will have to try that again some other way.
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  132.  @palestinevideos2025  If as you claim morality is subjective, then by definition the majority's morality is subjective. Majorities do not equal objectivity in any way shape of form. That's a mistaken concept.
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  133.  Apollox44 Pollo  "Mortality has already been falsified, humans die." Huh? Mortality has been verified, not falsified. Do you know what falsifiability means?
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  134.  @palestinevideos2025  I think Tom is right. You are a troll after all, though I'm not angry or anything. Someone of your intelligence could not possibly be this dense.
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  135. ​ @palestinevideos2025  And it's not an insult. There are a lot of nice trolls out there.
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  136.  Apollox44 Pollo  I'd also be curious what you think of this NOVA article. Google: "If a theory doesn’t make a testable prediction, it isn’t science. It’s a basic axiom of the scientific method, dubbed “falsifiability” by the 20th century philosopher of science Karl Popper. . . . . Now, some physicists and philosophers think it is time to reconsider the notion of falsifiability. Could a theory that provides an elegant and accurate account of the world around us—even if its predictions can’t be tested by today’s experiments, or tomorrow’s—still “count” as science?. . . . Case in point: String theory. . . . It’s a lovely idea. Lovelier yet, string theory could unify general relativity with quantum mechanics, solving what is perhaps the most stubborn problem in fundamental physics. The trouble? To put string theory to the test, we may need experiments that operate at energies far higher than any modern collider. It’s possible that experimental tests of the predictions of string theory will  never be within our reach."
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  137. @Renzo Alarcón No, but presumably human beings are more important than cows.
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  138.    I agree the US should not be policing the world. But I think basic appeals to end inhumane treatment is within bounds. It's just having a dialogue. Now it's interesting when people say, we should let other countries be. Well, what is the difference between that and letting homosexuals be? How are gays depriving you or anyone else of the basics of a good life? In appeals to morals and ethics, a good question to ask is, do gays in Uganda inflict anywhere near the harm on others as life in prison inflicts on gays? This is the part I don't understand. The punishment doesn't fit the crime. And that's irrespective of the principle that a country should not be policing the world. Basic ethics out to say to everyone: mind your own business. And that includes sticking your nose in the sex lives of others. That's the part, I contend, that is a morally more enlightened position. Mind your own life. Don't fixate on who sleeps with whom. In a world filled with violence poverty and oppression, why waste your time policing the bedroom? If there really were a God, He has more noble things to do with his time.
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  139.  @Danobeiszadeh  It just shows again the inherent intolerance of most religions.
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  140.  @armaan1091  That's an enlightened point of view. Adults mind their own business. Little minds, by contrast, are obsessed with controlling others.
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  141. FREEUNDERRATEDMUSIC Well everyone should always be openminded. But in this topic I feel that the primary mover in the anti-gay posts is a desire to have control over others. Whether you agree with the Ugandan president or not, why can't people mind their own business? If  posters on here want westerners to stop pushing for gay rights in Africa, that's no worse certainly,  than Africans trying to control gays. What's the difference in principle? Westerners are reacting to Africans NOT minding their own business. Putting a gay man in jail for having  a gay relationship is having power over others - it's not minding your own business. It's African societies that initiate taking control of others. That makes it the initiator of oppression/violence. That's how I see it, and yes I could be wrong of course. But I haven't seen anyone really refute that in a convincing way, except to say, they have a right to oppress gays. There's no principle at work there.
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  142.  @njgrant3988  And who was the most instrumental in ending slavery within Africa? White people, notably the British.
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  143.  @254react  I agree the US has no business trying to police the world. When I give my views on gays, I am just giving my opinion, not trying to talk from a position of superiority in general, or shove it down any country's throat. As I said, we are the laughing stock of the world right now. We have a lying, narcissistic, fraudulent president, sexual predator that belongs behind bars. Will be watching him debate Biden in a few minutes.
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  144. Respect for mass murder, torture, sham elections? Go for it. They all go together.
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  145.  @JegameJegame  I think you're missing a basic moral compass on some level. I'm referring to the principle of proportional punishment The sentence of life in prison is grotesquely out of proportion to the crime committed. It violates the Golden Rule in spades. This is almost a universal moral directive. Treating gay acts as murderous is an example of man's inhumanity to man, even if some gays behave irresponsibly, which I grant many do.
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  146.  @jegamespeed5399  I said life in prison, not the death penalty. Grossly disproportional punishment should be an outrage to everyone, even if you despise homosexuality.
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  147. Respect for Tin Pot dictators from Africans doesn't surprise.
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  148.  @SNPL.  Misses the point.
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  149. The majority of people in the West support it. Nice try.
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  150. Well, the thing is, that's not what male homosexuality IS. You first have to get your definition straight, then don't stereotype gay men with a broad brush. I am a gay man, much to my disappointment. But I have never practiced that act. I would guess about one fourth to one third of gay men don't practice it either. By contrast, in my country, in any given year 1/3rd of straight men have admitted doing this (with a female partner.) By that standard, there are many more straight men than gay men who practice this. You should not define things by stereotypes.
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  151. Well, since the days of W, I think we (US) are at least a modest improvement. Unlike Musevini, our leaders don't target innocent civilians. We don't worry about "hundreds of government critics and opposition supporters detained and tortured in the last three years..., " as Human Rights Watch put it.
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  152. Some people find blacks disgusting. It proves nothing.
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  153.  @stopcensorship7705  Hatred is hatred, be it of blacks or gays.
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  154.  @stopcensorship7705  "don't compare skin color and kinks groomer." I wasn't comparing them to you.
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  155.  @stopcensorship7705  Don't compare repetitive one-liners with proof.
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  156. Amen to what, Uganda's worst mass murderer?
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  157. He is a hypocrite. He wants respect only for his country's values, but denies the same courtesy to gays in his country. That's a major violation of the Golden Rule. If a country practices mass slaughter of, say, black people, would you also say we should respect that country's values?
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  158. Respect to snoopery. The importance of being a busybody (not to mention mass murderer, megalomaniac and torture.)
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  159. Is he respected for his leadership and compassion? Or for being Uganda's most notorious butcher, and his sham elections which ensure he will be president for life? Did you respect him when his security forces shot and killed 54 peaceful protesters during the last presidential election? And when he excused their killers? Go for it.
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  160.  StopCensorship4--1  Your comedic skills aren't in the best shape tonight.
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  161.  @remaks8405  Sure, as long as we realize freedom and fair elections are not among them.
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  162. What would you do if you were gay?
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  163. Bu there's one important difference. Westerners are by and large satisfied with their lives. Ugandans on the other hand rank themselves among the most miserable on earth.
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  164. If one were to give the primary definition of being gay, it would be "exclusive sexual attraction to the same sex." Your definition leaves out the fact that many gay men do not practice it, or anal sex. And presumably lesbians don't either. This shows again the level of raw unadulterated ignorance spread by Uganda's most notorious butcher. The mark of a great leader has more to with ending corruption, fair elections, and ending election massacres than it does on bedroom management. You guys want the West to mind its own business. But you seem obsessed with minding gay people's business. Why not stick your nose somewhere other than the bedroom.
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  165. Really. Political leader who mows down peaceful protesters by the dozens at election time. Sounds good to me.
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  166. There is no doubt that your comments speak to the inferiority complex of a country down among the lowest 20% on the misery index. By blaming gays for their problems, it eases the sense of inferiority so many Ugandans must feel.
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  167. This mad love affair with pure evil, Uganda's worst mass murderer, who tortures the opposition, whose security forces mow down peaceful protestors by the dozen, cannot be explained by rational means.
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  168.  @davidbutter7433  Sad but true. I think some Ugandans go about this issue the complete wrong way, as well as many Americans. They assume gay is a lifestyle, which is a misnomer. Or you-know-what sex. First, that's sexist as it implies that gay women don't count. 2nd, it overlooks the fact that gay is at base an attraction, not a behavior. 3rd, it overlooks the fact that many gay men do not engage in this taboo behavior. Indeed in the US, it's not even the most common form of sexual behavior among his group. It also overlooks the fact that in the US at least, 35% of straight men say they have also practiced such sex (with a woman) within the last year. That means that in total, far more straight men than gay have practiced this behavior. Beware next time you shake hands with a straight man! Disgusting! I'll bet there's plenty of that in Uganda too.
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  169.  @TommyReckx  Just as he goes straight to the point with his murdering of peaceful protesters, torturing the opposition, and indeed being Uganda's most celebrated thug.
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  170.  @zim.k  I have no problem with that. But I was under the impression homosexuality is still illegal in Uganda. Do you know the status of the laws there?
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  171.  @POH341  Wrong. Musevini is not just stating his opinion but supports laws that make homosexuality a crime punishable by prison. I am not doing any thing remotely like that, am I? He's the hypocrite: asking the West to respect his country, but not returning the favor to gays. I cannot think of a more clear cut violation of the Golden Rule. It shows again the difficulty so many people seem to have with putting together all of the dots correctly.
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  172.  @POH341  "being lgbt is a action" It doesn't have to be. I don't participate or identify with that community. And just in case you were wondering, I have never practiced you-know-what. I find it just as unappealing as probably most people do. We have to start getting away from stereotypes and judging people as individuals.
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  173.  @jegamespeed5399  I'm trying to figure out in principle what harm gays (of necessity) cause in your society, regardless of pressure campaigns or their absence. What is the fundamental harm? Is it just that you don't like it?
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  174.  StopCensorship4--1  Your theory is incapable of explaining the gay reparative therapy movement. A moment's reflection shows that if gay were a choice, there would be no market for the therapy. Nice try again.
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  175.  @reginageorge4  But some people are born stupid.
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  176.  @MaticJ29  There is little decency in a Being who decided horrific suffering was essential for this world. God created everything? Then He's responsible for everything in it. If He was REALLY the beneficent, all powerful, all knowing wise Being He is said to be, there would be no starving babies, brutal torture, no mass murderers like Putin. If he could not or would not prevent evil, He is a not a real God. If you didn't grow up raised on religion, you would not have the views you do. It's faith where you fail to really do a fact check, assuming that if you did, the evidence would pan out. Try thinking for yourself and see where it leads you.
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  177.  @stopcensorship7705  Someone needs to ask the Lord a few questions, like: -Why did you create homosexual attraction? -If you're such a perfect being, why did you create the highly imperfect and murderous creature known as Man? -If Perfection existed since eternity, why suddenly your need to create this massively evil blight, beginning in 4004 BC? -Why do you enjoy evil so much? -Is it nice to wish death upon a cursing child? -Given that you know all things past present and prospective, why didn't you use your omniscience to foresee who would misuse their free will, and leave them out of your creation? Since you guys have no answers to this.
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  178. @StopCensorship4--03 They must have gone to the school you did.
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  179. There is no fact. It's a personal belief, and one not shared by most of the world. Nice try.
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  180.  @stopcensorship7705  And while you're at it, why did God create gay attraction if He was against gay attraction? Enquiring minds want to know.
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  181.  @sterdezy1569  I don't care either. But no one can predict the future. Do you respect Western values?
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  182. Well he really didn't win because he decided against appealing the decision of the Constitutional Court of Uganda to annul the anti-gay law back in 2014. He was more concerned with Western opinion it seems.
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  183.  @Hallaneious  Well there's the "maternal line" theory of male homosexuality, which has neither been proven nor disproven. But this being Youtube, I wouldn't expect you've ever heard of it though.
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  184. In the Neighborhood of Make Believe.
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  185.  @famousmwofficial8046  Our interests are our personal business. Some people like to read about Victorian quilting. Others Japanese culture. There's no logic to what people find interesting. Supposing I said to you, what's stopping you from shifting your focus to Armadillos?
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  186. Exactly. Especially since he's in favor of jail sentences or worse. CNN and us Westerners aren't proposing jail time for Museveni, even though he's a lot guiltier than gay folks given his murderous human rights record. But this is the nature of our world. People would rather hate gays than murderers. We are indeed a dark dark species. And this video and its many haters is conclusive proof.
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  187. In a country which ranks itself among the most miserable, your compliment is most touching.
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  188. The bible was written by ancient men. How else to explain "God's" wish to execute a cursing child? Go for it.
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  189.  @toxinrazor6489  If God is against gay attraction, why did he create gay attraction?
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  190.  @toxinrazor6489  "have you ever considered the possibility that the stupid theory that the universes created itself and suddenly a bunch of cells just decided to start being alive may be wrong?" Absolutely. It's far more likely the cosmos is eternal, no beginning, no end. The problem with the Bible is it's only one of many possible intelligent designer options. The Bible is obviously a fairy tail to anyone who actually does the research, or bothers to challenge and be curious about the dogma they were taught as youngsters.
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  191.  @toxinrazor6489  More likely, as with every single believer in these parts, you will drop out of conversation when the going gets tough. BUT, I welcome being proved wrong.
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  192. Yes, honest about hatred and intolerance. We in the West, though terrible in some areas, have learned that hatred is not as enlightened a principle as minding one's own business. That's light years ahead of Uganda.
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  193.  @theguy12341  Youtube posts don't have to be answers. Have a great day!
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  194.  @MADLADDIOMEDES  Wrong. The proof is all around us: we don't choose our attractions: did you choose your favorite color, for example?
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  195.  @stopcensorship7705  "There is no genetics for gae behavior." No proof of that. As I said, you can't do science. "No proof of immutability." No proof of immutability doesn't mean there's a proof on non-immutability. You didn't study logic, obviously. Not only that, there's plenty of evidence most people cannot change their attractions. I've demonstrated it already. Here are some more examples which show your worldview is all twisted. -Did you choose your favorite color? -Can you choose to change your favorite color? -Can you make yourself get hard by looking at d-ck? -Can you will yourself to find rocks a turn-on? -Did you will yourself to like your favorite ice cream flavor? -Can you choose to fall in love with any person? -Can you choose to like gay porn? -Can you choose to like a movie you don't like? -Can you choose to like a song you hate? -Can you choose to enjoy a food you don't enjoy? Since the answer to all these questions is NO, it shows you have yet to think through the illogic of your biases. Yours is pure wishful thinking based on a poor grasp of reality. If you can't even get the basics of how human attraction works, you cannot be expected to get any of the specifics right. The last three examples above are so blindingly obvious that it involves willful ignorance to deny them. The answers are in the negative virtually by definition. Have fun with your delusions.
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  196.  @stopcensorship7705  If anybody can do science, how come you can't?
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  197.  @stopcensorship7705  You can't do science. You can't do logic. You just proved it again. Keep on proving it with each fresh post. -No single gay gene doesn't mean it can't be heritable. We've gone over this multiple times There is no "lefty" gene, but being a lefty has a significant heritable component, confirmed now by multiple studies. -Even if being gay were entirely due to the environment/ upbringing, it wouldn't prove it's a choice. Witness for example victims of child sexual abuse, who presumably you are so concerned about. Some of these victims lives are ruined. They suffer the trauma for life. They can't "choose" their way out of it. This again shows that you don't do mental processing on a high level. Connected thinking is lacking in your simple formulas. Given these limitations, it's understandable you would choose to say idiot.
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  198.  @stopcensorship7705  More on leftyism -"It was initially thought that a single gene controlled handedness. However, more recent studies suggest that multiple genes, perhaps up to 40, contribute to this trait. Each of these genes likely has a weak effect by itself, but together they play a significant role in establishing hand preference." The idea that only a single gene can explain many heritable traits is by now very out of date. Epigenetics, or changes in gene expression, might also be involved. In that case, there is still heritability, but no single lefty/gay/whatever gene. If you can indeed do science, it's time to update your mental software.
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  199.  @stopcensorship7705  "There is nothing to compare there with gae behavior." We are talking about gay attraction, not gay behavior. Can you get anything right?
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  200.  @MADLADDIOMEDES  The poster who denies gays "choose to be what we are" means our essence, are deepest attractions. Not behavior, which is not what we are, but what we DO. This what gay means in the West: the attraction, not the behavior. The analogies with rape, pedophilia and murder are obviously faulty. Why do you fail to see the obvious distinction? These are behaviors that hurt people by definition. By contrast, consensual behavior in general does not hurt people. You have to give some real proof why it's wrong to act on gay attraction. I'm all ears. And don't tell me about "the gay lifestyle" or AIDS or promiscuous sex. These are not consequences of responsible consensual sex, either gay or straight.
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  201.  @stopcensorship7705  No proof it's immoral. No proof it's indecent. 0 future life: good, we have too many people as is.
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  202.  @stopcensorship7705  "stds is almost exclusively and consistently a gae lifestyle prevalent consequence" Very simple. Just be against those people who have promiscuous sex. No need to indict all gays. Did that radical notion not occur to you?
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  203.  @stopcensorship7705  "Plenty of indecent exposure." Yes, but practicing responsible sex is not part of it.
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  204. Hatred flourishes.
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  205.  @Peep-010  I want to thank you for at least ruining any semblance of a serious discussion. These topics don't deserve it.
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  206. How is the world made a better place by hounding gays? Is it just the psychological satisfaction of being a snoop?
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  207. Tin Pot dictators are disgusting. Especially the ones who decide they will be dictator for life. The obsession with gays tells much. Such twisted priorities.
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  208.  StopCensorship4---3  And so are straight groomers like yourself.
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  209.  @kitosiriikrit7573  Some will find it disgusting, others won't. Tons of people in the West aren't bothered by gays and have gay friends. "We will always find it disgusting." Some of you will, some of you won't. So don't pretend you speak for all healthy people in the world. You don't.
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  210.  StopCensorship4---3  The world is divided on the question. The more educated, the more likely people are accepting of homosexuality. The countries that are poorest and most miserable are the least accepting. So Africans can sit back and continue eating Yankee Doodle dirt, as far as I'm concerned. That is certainly far more disgusting than gays.
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  211. Yes, it's refreshing when people admit to being thugs and murderers. Musevini is no exception.
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  212.  StopCensorship2-wh3nm  Hello again. You obviously don't know God. He allegedly created the universe and everything in it. That, by definition, must includes gay attraction. God COULD have left gay attraction out of His creation. Then men would be unable to summon attraction to other men. Just as man cannot (generally speaking) summon sexual attraction to rocks or beetles. But then again, true believers do not understand the inherent contradictions in their alleged God. For example, if God were against poo poo sex, he would not have created heterosexuals either, as about 1/3 of them admit to having practiced this behavior in the previous year. Or even better, God, knowing all things past present and future, could have foreseen which people would choose poo poo sex, and eliminated them from his creation.
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  213. Well God is the biggest sinner. As the ultimate creator of everything, we have Him to thank for inventing the very concept of evil.
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  214. But on the issue of homosexuality he's guilty of a crime against humanity.
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  215.  @mikeclayton5182  It's not that he detests it. It's that he supports life in prison for them. That's man's inhumanity to man. Are we at least agreed on that?
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  216.  @yugaeimthicc6400  And that's a violation of the Golden Rule: don't do unto others what you would not want done unto you. One of the most basic principles of justice, and not just in the West. Since you wouldn't want your fellow citizens telling you how to live your life, you violate the Golden Rule by junking that principle when it comes to others. Think about it very carefully. It means one standard for you, and a different standard for gays.
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  217.  @yugaeimthicc6400  Well, it's a difference in values. I believe that kindness and compassion are more enlightened values than violence. In Uganda, they use violence against gays. If that's OK with you, then so be it.
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  218.  @yugaeimthicc6400  "but using violence is not that will be something i will agree with you" The only thing I have a real problem with is jailing gays, which happens or used to happen in Uganda. That's a form of violence. Jail is violence. What consenting adults do in the bedroom is not. Not sure if you agree with me, bit I hope you draw the line there, as I do.
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  219.  @yugaeimthicc6400  Well, violence is defined as the use of force. So maybe what you are saying is that in your mind, some violence is justified? I can see where you are coming from, but ultimately I see this as indifferent. Love, romance, sex, is a hugely important part of most people's lives. To deny that to anyone seems cruel and insensitive. Do you not care about the emotional well being of gay people?
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  220.  @yugaeimthicc6400  Do you agree gays do not choose their attraction?
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  221.  @stopcensorship7705  Your one-liners are getting very boring very quickly. How about something new: like a rigorous scientific proof of the claims you make. I guess you aren't up to the task?
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  222. That's humanity for you. Steeped in snoopiness.
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  223.  @stopcensorship7705  Finally, you admit I never chose to be gay.
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  224.  @stopcensorship7705  Let me know when you have that scientific proof gay attraction is chosen.
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  225.  @theduck1539  Oh, I was unaware that a question is an opinion. But thank you. You too.
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  226. Real men don't kill and torture their own citizens.
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  227. While a bit extreme, it does capture the basic essence. Hassling, or jailing or condemning gays is, in principle, hypocricy if you are simultaneously telling the West to mind its own business. Uganda want's to mind their gays. This is called being a snoop in my country.
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  228.  @JRR1804  And it says in the Bible that anyone who works on the Sabbath "shall be put to death." This is your murderous God speaking.
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  229.  @hge1895  Please cite the evidence.
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  230. Hypocrisy: preaching one thing, doing another. Example: demanding the West not tell us what to do; telling homosexuals what to do.
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  231. You haven't the slightest evidence to support that statement. That's the beauty of Youtube, where responsibility is optional.
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  232. Understands cruelty? You got it.
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  233. What would you do if you were gay?
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  234.  @sterdezy1569  Because a lot of people are as unenlightened as he is. You need to get your nose out of other people's business and live your own life instead.
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  235.  StopCensorship4--1  Well since most groomers are heterosexual men, maybe you should go after them instead.
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  236.  @SohamMehta-bg3ds  OK sir, show me data that gays are more likely to be groomers.
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  237. That's utter nonsense. At Youtube, anything goes. Museveni is Uganda's leading butcher, worst mass murderer in the country's history. Under his security forces, who were never prosecuted, 54 protesters shot to death during the last election there. And you are going to make up stories about gays in California. Your priorities are completely screwed up.
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  238.  @jbbrown1436  I condemn all violence, not selectively the way you do.
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  239. I respect the Ugandan people and their right to their beliefs. I don't respect Museveni's laws, or rather, lawlessness. Like the 54 protestors shot dead at election time. Where torture and violence are the norm: Uganda's most celebrated mass murderer. Far more concerning than gay rights.
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  240. @Peep0000 I don't debate 3-year-olds, and their need for nonstop attention. Have fun talking to yourself.
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  241.  @worldofpaisen  This is definitely up for debate. But whatever the truth is on that score, there is no doubt that jailing gay people for life is an example of man's inhumanity to man.
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  242.  @worldofpaisen  "so if cursing your parents is a sin which it is, then logically that would lead to death." That is just the point I'm making. A moral being does not propose death for a cursing child. Nor does he "kind of agree with it." This Morality 101. If we can't get beyond that, then there's no pot t in an enlightened discussion. No offense, but If you think witchcraft exists, then all semblance of a serious discussion is a fantasy at this point.
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  243.  @worldofpaisen  I don't have all the answers -just some of them. As far as accusing God, it doesn't matter what context we parse that death for a cursing child passage. In any context it's 100% immoral to speak in those terms. Would you say to your child that death is an appropriate reference in any way shape or form if they cursed you? OK, so God is God, and He has a reason for saying that. Of all the enduring and loving things a truly omniscient and loving Being could say, there are millions more enlightened comments than you and I could think of, no? I propose that this comment, along with all the other odious ones, could only get into a God-based bible is if men put it in there - a corruption of an otherwise godly text perhaps. And if you want to talk about having all the answers, isn't that precisely the essence of a true believer? "It's literally not up for debate" seems no less certain than some of the things I've said. cheers, and I like the fact that for a biblical type you seem somewhat more tolerant of "interrogation" than some others. And for the record, I don't deny a spiritual realm depending on what is meant by that. And if you want me to concede witchcraft may exist, yes anything's possible. But here I'm going by probable evidence, for which none exists for witchcraft. So for example, if your defense in court is that witchcraft made you kill someone, serious people will not accept that. That's what I'm getting at. In practical everyday terms, witchcraft is not a serious contention. Do you have even a smidgeon of evidence for its existence?
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  244. He welcomes anything that will help up his current body count.
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  245.  @exKGBagent  So dictators who practice mass murder and torture doesn't matter. Says a lot about so-called African values.
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  246.  StopCensorship4--1  Neither do bad comedians.
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  247. Especially a society who rank themselves among the most miserable in the world, Ugandans are understandably desperate to find someone else to blame for their own gloomy existence.
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  248. So here we have Uganda's most celebrated thug, likely responsible for more deaths than Idi Amin and Obote combined, and all you care about is if he is disgusted by gays? Your moniker says it all.
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  249. Human suffering doesn't move them in any way. A high % of these posters are sociopaths, with no social conscience.
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  250.  RichLoves FNAF  What a cop out answer. You make sweeping generalizations, do not define what the disgusting acts are, and imply most gays do this. "Putting their campaign in front of everyone." Yes, I agree it goes overboard for me too. Why don't you do the more rational thing: condemn gays that spread disease, or gay pride parades with people having sex on rolling beds, or whatever disgusting crap means to you. Leave the other gays out of your stereotypes.
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  251. He wants the West to mind its own business, but doesn't extend the same courtesy to his gay citizens. That's known as a double standard: one for the West, and another for himself. A clear cut infraction of the Golden Rule.
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  252.  @sterdezy1569  I already know that. But I hope you don't support jail for gays minding their own business.
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  253.  @stopcensorship7705  A crime is a crime. And The Golden Rule is The Golden Rule. Violations of said rule don't depend on which country violates it.
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  254. Do you love his murder of opposition party protesters? Like the 54 who were shot to death 2 years ago? And his pardoning of the guilty?
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  255. It illutrates the extent to which humanity is hardwired for hate.
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  256. How would you be different today if your sexual attractions had always been exclusively gay?
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  257. That's only the opinion of lower order humans, defined as those for whom violence is a guiding beacon.
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  258. @Ilikesparta124 You're going beyond their cognitive zone.
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  259. I suppose you support killing gays too, like he does?
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  260. And murder and torture of the opposition party?
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  261.  @ShiningGalaxy01  Please see "Museveni Must Fall" by Joseph Patrick Segujja. For example between 2018 and 2022 "At least 3,000 nonviolent opposition activists have been tortured." You no doubt must be aware of the 54 peaceful opposition protesters shot dead during the last election. Also see: "Robert Kyagulanyi, a Ugandan pop star-turned-opposition politician, has alleged that security officers beat him and squeezed his genitals until he lost consciousness while in detention, in his first public statement since his arrest last month."
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  262. And he wants to destroy gay lives. What's the difference?
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  263.  @davidandthatotherguy1369  Preference is wrong. The attractions are not chosen by most.
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  264.  @davidandthatotherguy1369  Yes, every idiot knows that. The debate is about the attraction. And that is not a choice.
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  265. ​ @davidandthatotherguy1369  It's a basic truth that stares us in the face day in and day out. Let's have a look in detail. First, my I ask what are your attractions: gay. straight or bi? For the record mine are gay.
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  266.  @davidandthatotherguy1369  My dating life has been non existent for years. Now, I would love to know this from you: did you ever try to be attracted to women? Or, as with me, did your sexual attractions start to manifest themselves gradually as you were growing up, without any conscious input from you? I remember as young as eight, starting to notice I was attracted to a strong, handsome male teacher in 2nd grade. I didn't know what these feelings meant, of course. But I certainly never said, "Hey, I think I will try to start liking strong tall men." There was never a conscious choice. Indeed, why would an 8-year-old even want to make a decision like that?
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  267. Amen to the dark side of humanity.
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  268.  @koala5054  Nope, wrong. Pew research, the gold standard on public opinion, shows the world is very divided on the subject. Most people in the West consider homosexuality normal and acceptable. Personally, I'm kind of grossed out by "gay sex," too. I don't practice it. Many gays do not. And Pew also finds one in three straight men in the US practiced it in the last year. So it's all around a mixed picture.
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  269. According to the depraved mind, yes.
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  270. I agree with you to an extent. The US has its own agendas. But when Musevini claims gays could wipe out the human race, he's also engaged in extremism. It's one thing to not care for gays. But to make up obvious lies and make it sound like armageddon is not much better. Like you said, Uganda has worse problems.
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  271.  Sid the Sloth  How do you know what I do in my private life? Once again it says to me you don't even know the definition of homosexual. What else is new in the land of stereotypes.
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  272.  Sid the Sloth  "I get what you’re saying. I know homosexuals are born the way they are, if you still live like a normal human and don’t do anything dirty then it’s all good. That being said, let’s not act like most homosexuals don’t do disgusting acts." Then the criticism should be about a particular form of sexual conduct. For starters, defining gays as a behavior is sexist because it obviously excludes gay women, as if what they do doesn't matter. While it's hard to know for sure, a good guess is that at least 20% of gay men do not practice b-- sex. And in the US, 35% of men admit to having practiced this form of sex in the last year. So let's do the math. If 80% of gay men do a- - - sex, and let's say almost no gay women do, then perhaps less than half of gay people practice this. Then add the 10s of millions of straight men who practice this and we have the makings of a classic stereotype. As a gay man, I do not find this an appealing option, I find it kind of gross, have never done it, so please don't define me in those terms. Gay is primarily an attraction. So let's define homosexuals accordingly. It leads to a better discussion. But I thank you for being more enlightened and tolerant than most.
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  273.  @Jack-m6q3m  I like your style. Put them real groomers in their place. Stop-Cens is so stup-d he thinks I can change my orientation through hormonal treatments, but never mentions which ones. A truly towering figure of cognitive mush.
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  274.  StopCensorship4---2  Since you are an expert on the hormonal theory of homosexuality, you must have SOME idea what treatment would allow me to choose heterosexuality. Or are you just another scientific fraud?
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  275.  StopCensorship4---2  You are a joke. How do you expect me to change my hormones? That shows gay is not a choice. You dug yourself into an inescapable hole with your hormonal nonsense response. You only fool yourself.
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  276.  StopCensorship4---2  So you agree, I didn't choose to be gay. My hormones did that. Are we in agreement?
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  277.  StopCensorship4---2  I am going to give you a gigantic kiss. We are finally in agreement! I didn't choose to be gay. My hormones did. I'm so happy we finally see eye to eye. Take care Big Guy
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  278.  @koala5054  Grumpy? I'm in good spirits actually. You must have me confused with someone else.
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  279. The bible is true: true to the ancients who made it all up. That's why murder and slavery and war are so celebrated. Do you agree with God a cursing child ought to be executed? Go for it. That's Leviticus for you.
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  280.  @stopcensorship7705  You win the Nobel prize for Straw Men. She never said it was based on genetics. You're just about the most unscientific poster on Youtube. That said, it wouldn't be as much fun without you.
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  281.  RichLoves FNAF  You cannot control the attraction. That is what is meant.
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  282.  @stopcensorship7705  "pity the verse you quote has no scientific evidence for homosexual attraction," And what you keep saying about gay gene has no scientific basis either. You don't have to have a single gene for gay attraction to have a partial biological basis. Just like leftyism, for which no single gene has been identified, but has found to be largely inherited. Then you talk about absentee fathers. Once again, not science. You have never even tried to reference the evidence, which says it all. You just love to provoke.
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  283. And we need more people to say he's a disgusting pig. Being Uganda's most celebrated mass murderer doesn't help much either.
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  284. Why is it so important to you to distort the definition of homosexuality?
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  285.  @stopcensorship7705  When did the GWAS identify the "single height gene?"
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  286.  StopCensorship4---3  But he killed more innocents than both Idi Amin and Obote combined.
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  287. What would you do if you were homosexual?
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  288.  @ridiculamsimia4385  Would you deny yourself even then pleasures of self sex? Or is that disgusting too?
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  289. What about lesbians. They are gay too. Are they disgusting too?
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  290.  @kaifalivlogs6672  That's not what I asked you. Are lesbians also disgusting?
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  291.  @مصعب-خ8ه  . Me cry? You're the one that's threatened by gays.
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  292.  @truthdrifter  The idea that society will self destruct if we let gays alone? You have not even a sliver of evidence.
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  293.  @stopcensorship7705  Homosexuality cause of fall of Rome: no hard proof.
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  294. @@OnlyHomiesAllowed And by the same token we have a right to criticize the extremes of homophobia, such as supporting the death penalty for gays. Musevini has always been in love with death, witness the biggest mass murderer in Uganda's history.
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  295. @@OnlyHomiesAllowed "Only for sodomy and especially anal sex." OK, let's say that type of s-x it's disgusting, unnatural, whatever you like. But you don't murder people for being disgusting, do you? This is a also a flagrant violation of the Golden Rule: do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Notice how it would be impossible for gay sex in and of itself to violate the Golden Rule: By merely engaging in it, you aren't DOING anything to anyone else. Hence there's no equivalent of "doing that behavior" back to you. Executing gays for anal sex is simply violence. In that sense it's the equivalent of racism. If a great African leader finds white people "disgusting," does he have the right to execute them? I believe these views are more enlightened, as "enlightenment values" tend to encourage peace, civility and good will between people. And to thus place greater value on human life.
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  296.  @davidson14e588  Incestual people? Why they are among the most disgusting, amoral and sickening people in existence, a health hazard: I almost vomit every time I see one. They are also conniving gossips and eat to excess. And their large nostrils are also in very bad taste.
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  297.  @Omega-EP  I'm kind of with you on the school thing. But to depopulation, tell me, isn't 8 billion people enough?
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  298.  @tiffaniejones5826  I'm sorry, you must be addressing a different poster.
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  299. It works both ways though. Respect means "minding your own business." If we apply that universally we get 1) The West should but out of trying to manage the world; and 2) Uganda should but out of trying to manage gays. Just let them alone. Anything less is a violation of the Golden Rule.
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  300. Respect gay's values. Otherwise it's selective respect.
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  301. Respect Human values. If you want the West to mind its own business, then why don't you mind yours too? Stop minding the business of gays. In my country "Bedroom management" is the stuff of snoops. Get a life.
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  302.  @julia2k8  "lol who's the one who made sexuality their whole identity?" Why don't you tell me who that is. I'd like to know. What have I shoved down your throat? Where?
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  303.  @julia2k8  Seriously, can't people behave themselves on Youtube? BTW sexual orientation isn't an ideology. We are most likely born with it, and most people have little control over what attracts them.
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  304.  @julia2k8  You aren't making sense. Youtube cannot force anything on anyone. It's a discussion forum open to anyone. Since when is having an opinion equal to force? This is neither your nor my forum. You and I can say what we want.
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  305. Addictions are hard, so I have sympathy for you.
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  306. Do you agree with his record of bloodshed? The slaughtering of peaceful protestors during the last election? His torture chambers for dissenters and the opposition candidate? If in fact most Ugandans agree with you, that's a sad state of affairs indeed.
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  307.  @254react  So gays mate with dogs you say? More proof this is one of the most depraved comment sections on Youtube. A crackpot's paradise.
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  308. ....on obssesive sexpulsive disorder.
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  309. Lot's of people are in love with mass murderers. Nothing new there.
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  310. When it all comes from the haters and the cruelest depths of humanity's dark side, it makes little difference.
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  311. Not to mention perhaps the biggest mass murderer acting as president in Africa.
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  312. Please cite the passage in the video above where CNN lectured the president. She just asked him two questions.
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  313.  StopCensorship4---2  "groomers deserve no rights." That would include you and all your heterosexual deviants.
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  314.  @reginageorge4  Well no rights for you, since you are a groomer.
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  315.  @reginageorge4  Not only do I not speak Spanish, I do not know the language of nonsense.
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  316. But we are not going "there." We are giving our views on a US-created, worldwide open forum. Were the colonizers any worse than people like Idi Amin and Obote?
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  317.  @mybestofriendo4615  I was talking the British in Uganda. As brutal as their occupation was, I can't find a reference to how many were killed in all of British African during and after their conquests. Maybe you have a good number? They were by far the least brutal of the European occupiers.
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  318.  @mybestofriendo4615  Totally agree with that last point.
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  319.  @stopcensorship7705  Fraternal birth order effect. Show me the disproof.
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  320. If Musevini wants CNN to respect Uganda, why not set an example and respect gays. What is this obsession with gay people? Mind your own f--ing business.
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  321. Traditions are inherited. And rarely questioned. If you grow up brainwashed, chances are you will never question the reason for it.
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  322.  @stopcensorship7705  Where's the damn height gene.
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  323. Especially from a mass murderer who can't stop killing his own citizens.
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  324. So Uganda stands for mass murder, sham elections, torture, and mowing down peaceful protesters?
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  325. Yes, Uganda's most celebrated butcher to be sure.
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  326. Not as good as the US though.
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  327.  StopCensorship2-wh3nm  The US ranks significantly better on the STD front: 78th worst, versus Uganda's 45. We must be doing something right.
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  328.  @stopcensorship7705  Pedophilia is bad because it would be very traumatizing for you, as it would be for any child.
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  329. What would you do if you had exclusively gay attraction?
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  330.  @stopcensorship7705  "don't be gae." Impossible. In general, Gay is an attraction that cannot be changed. If you had the attraction, you would not be able to get rid of it, according to all the best evidence and also common sense. You're talking nonsense.
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  331.  @stopcensorship7705  Like I said, you don't know science.
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  332. "Good they should jail all homosexual to prison for life." That means you are a sociopath. Only a sociopath would advocate life in prison because they don't like someone.
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  333.  John Davis  "You sound like a person who wishes he was heterosexual deep down. But since he can't find the solution to his attraction, he's learned to live with with it rationalize why it's okay. News Flash: (1.) It can be changed, and (2.) whether it is 2022 or 1922, it's still unnatural to be gay whether you agree with it or not." A lot to unpack there. If you want to convince me, start with citing some evidence. I don't know why you're bringing up unnatural. I've never made any statement about that. As far as rationalize, why would there be any need to? It's based on elementary principles most sensible people already accept, such as: -Mind your own business -What two consenting adults do is usually considered OK. Why would you make an exception here? -Behavior that isn't of necessity harmful to others is considered acceptable. -Nonviolent behavior, (which obviously includes consensual gay sex) is usually considered within bounds. Since you wish to make an exception for all these basic principles when it comes to gay attraction/relationships, the need to rationalize rests with you, not me. Why do these principles become null and void when it comes to gays? For the record, you are correct that deep down I wish I could be heterosexual, I would love to able to experience straight attraction. If it were possible to change, don't you think I would have found a way to do so? Let's hear your evidence that every gay person can change. IMO some may be able to change, but the evidence is weak that everyone can do so.
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  334.  John Davis  Thank you, just watched. While I appreciate the gesture, a single person making a video is to confuse the power of belief with proof. This is why anecdotal evidence is considered the least reliable form of evidence. What academic or science-based journal is going to accept that as a proof? When you stated you had never heard of a homosexual wanting to be straight, alarm bells started going off. The self-hating gay exists in uncountable numbers. Their testimony is everywhere, such as "why would anyone choose to be that which is hated, bullied or have their parents disown them?" You've never heard of such a thing before? Here's a question for you, and true believers. Why did God create homosexual attraction if He was against it? And if you answer is that the devil created it, why didn't God simply kill off the devil once he became wicked? After all, God killed all of humanity in a flood (minus 8 people.) God is supposed to be all powerful. So if you can convince me God can be all-powerful, but either cannot or will not kill off the main source of evil, then I might be open to engaging in the fantasy known as the Almighty.
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  335. You could have picked a better spokesperson for your cause, as a mass murdering maniac doesn't win you any favors.
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  336.  @mattlo5710  According to what, the Bible?
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  337.  @mattlo5710  Matt: Anything I say is objectively correct. Me: on what basis? Matt: Because I said so
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  338.  @mattlo5710  Hey, you said "he is objectively correct." I'm asking for the proof it's objective. Is that snarky?
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  339.  StopCensorship4---2  Can you please recommend a hormone treatment so I can choose to become straight.
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  340.  @moonlight80s  Well thank you for the translation, but all 3-year-olds are now on ignore.
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  341.  StopCensorship4---2  Another attempt to deflect attention away from your disastrous hormonal sermon. The idea a gay person could change their hormones to become straight? If you're right, it proves gay isn't a choice. It's a lose lose for your feeble brain.
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  342. @Stroke About agreeing with the depraved mind.
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  343. Who cares.
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  344.  @4nnd711  "Who cares" is my way of saying, why the obsession with gay people?
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  345. Good way of putting it.
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  346.  @stopcensorship7705  Well as your name implies, you don't wish to silence Mr. Museveni, do you?
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  347.  @stopcensorship7705  Good for them. He's a murderer.
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  348.  @stopcensorship7705  For murderous presidents, you bet.
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  349. But you can't admire the persecution of nonviolent behavior. That's backwards morality.
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  350. ​ @davidshuff8838  I get it, but it's the wrong context. Persecution of the innocent is not the time to be admiring honesty. Had he not signed off on legal persecution, I would say, fine.
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  351.  @davidshuff8838  I don't think it's woke to protest injustice. Do you?
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  352. If you believe you know what God thinks about homosexuality, you are delusional. Question: why did God create homosexual attraction if He is against homosexual attraction?
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  353.  @stopcensorship7705  Tell us where science has proved God's existence.
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  354.  @stopcensorship7705  GWAS no height gene. Just ask God. Does He take phone calls?
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  355.  @benmiddleton9984  That's not self-evident. You need evidence.
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  356.  @benmiddleton9984  There are lots of gods worshiped out there, several hundred at least, and over 4,000 religions or variants to choose from. And I suppose that rather than having selected Christianity after carefully studying all 4,000 religious variants and subjected them to peer review, you just happened to be born in a Western country where you were taught the Bible from day one, and now you don't have to look any farther. Do you suppose I got any of this right? Or were you born in Mongolia and discovered the truth by yourself?
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  357.  @benmiddleton9984  You have no knowledge of that. It's the power of belief.
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  358.  @benmiddleton9984  Think of this as a court case based on current standards of credibility. What materials would you provide that can withstand cross examination?
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  359.  @stopcensorship7705  "Lindy effect" You're right I haven't. What is your point.
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  360.  @benmiddleton9984  But it's all you and I have to judge. The evidence we have for God cannot be proven by existing standards of evidence. It's still an act of faith.
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  361. If the end of the universe includes the end of you, I'm all for it.
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  362. Indeed he is Snoopkiller, a man who finds solace in mass murder and bedroom management.
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  363. Did you know that in any given year 35% of straight men in the US say they have done this? Now let's think for a moment. Imagine a scenario in which the vast majority of human beings reproduced asexually. But 1% of them had a freakish gene that made them heterosexual. Would you like to guess the reaction of humanity to this 1% of freaks?
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  364.  @davedarius7346  So what. Lot's of things are unnatural. Like high fructose corn syrup. Does that stop heterosexuals from having soft drinks?
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  365.  @kedeshagordon757  "So fructose corn syrup ain’t making sense." You brought unnatural up. If high fructose corn syrup is OK with you, you need to use a different argument. Otherwise you are contradicting yourself.
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  366.  @davedarius7346  "not onboard the whole LBGT thing in general....." Me neither. It can be a bit much. As a gay man who did not choose my gay attraction, all I wish is for everyone to just calm down and give gays their basic rights. You can reject gay pride parades, with gays having sex on rolling beds, and the militant woke left, and so on. But basic rights is something absent in Ugandan thinking, it would seem.
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  367.  @kedeshagordon757  I am not accusing you of homophobia. I also react the same way to "the act," and unlike 1/3 of the straight men in the US, I have no interest in doing it and have never done it. I think it's a little presumptuous to equate gay with "the act," as many do, as they are two different things. And this seems to be the predominant mindset among those who complain about gays here. I'm just curious. Lot's of people find the "act" disgusting or gross. That's fine by me. But why is it important to go the extra step and say, "I am AGAINST the act." If you know gays (and others) are not going to stop doing it, what is accomplished by by saying this. Isn't "I find it disgusting" good enough?
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  368.  @thematic3893  Yes there's a cultural difference. I have this question though: Do you believe in the Golden Rule, i.e. the principle of treating others as you would want to be treated?
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  369. That's not sound logic. Even if being gay were totally a function of the environment, that wouldn't mean people choose it. Data would never change this man's mind. Remember, he wants gays jailed for life, per the 2023 Anti-Homosexual act. No reasonable person would wish to destroy another person's life over being disgusted.
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  370. When mired in corruption, election fraud and murder up to your neck, what better way to deflect attention away from your crimes.
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  371.  StopCensorship4---3  Maybe you support him. I don't.
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  372. But not so straight to the point about murder and torture, the worst mass killer in the nation's history.
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  373. If God doesn't like gays, why did he create gay attraction?
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  374.  @Lion-qv7ns  A good theory. But one without a proof.
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  375. It's a hero to be hateful?
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  376.  @GrigRP  But being gay doesn't require harming anyone. A basic difference that doesn't register with you.
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  377.  @GrigRP  What's your IQ? I said being gay doesn't require harming others. I'm gay but I don't spread diseases. Nice try.
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  378.  @GrigRP  OK, so you're a depraved sociopath. We all have our flaws. No wonder Uganda's most celebrated mass murderer is your hero.
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  379.  RichLoves FNAF  You don't have a rational case against gay orientation. To begin with, you probably equate gay with b--t sex. Am I right?
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  380.  @kaiser8912  You are embracing man's inhumanity to man.
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  381.  @rivvy2138  Nothing is inherently wrong with it. It's people imposing their views on others that's the problem. e.g. life in prison for being gay. THATS a problem. Maybe the president of Uganda needs to start minding his own business.
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  382.  @rivvy2138  Well if you put a gay man in prison for life just for being gay, isn't that the ultimate form of imposing of your views onto someone?
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  383.  @stopcensoring.7959  Can't get enough of this forum can you. It allows you to vent your rage, yet do so with an air of respectability.
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  384.  @stopcensorship7705  I never said rage was your exclusive domain.
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  385. Respect is a two way thing.
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  386.  @stopcensorship7705  At first I thought you were mentally challenged. Then I thought you were a troll. Now I realize you are a genuine lunatic.
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  387.  @thematic3893  What is the most regressive part of our philosophy?
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  388.  @thematic3893  You did not. You said "we see your philosophy are regressive." I asked you what was the most oppressive part of that philosophy. What is that, in your mind? That we support gay rights? That we allegedly don't know what a woman is? I can't read your mind.
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  389.  @thematic3893  I don't know why you think it's cute to lie, You said virtually nothing specific above except you mentioned women, and of course gays. Either say what you mean or don't bother responding. Your responses are not the way to have a conversation.
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  390.  @thematic3893  I'm fine with people not wanting to live in the West. My main gripe is the use of violence against disliked groups. That's what I mean in particular about more enlightened. We in the US have many more problems, but the principle of nonviolence, at least domestically, is more ingrained here. No one here proposes the death penalty or life in prison for gays. If that's a distinctly African value - the police beating up gays, harassing them, then so be it. I don't think we should be asked to respect violence, either in the West or elsewhere.
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  391.  @thematic3893  Are these Ugandan values?: "State violence has become normalized in Uganda’s capital. Exactly a year ago, on Nov. 18, 2020, opposition leader Robert Kyagulanyi Ssentamu, known as “Bobi Wine,” was arrested in the country’s eastern district of Luuka for violating COVID-19 rules while campaigning for the presidency against incumbent President Yoweri Museveni. In the ensuing unrest, with nationwide protests, police and soldiers killed at least 54 people—many of whom weren’t even protesting. Yet no security officers have been prosecuted for their actions, and no compensation has been paid. There are only the quiet tears of victims’ families and, if you know where to look, the bullet holes in the walls." -Foreign Policy November 18, 2021
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  392. It's not a question of right or wrong. It's an opinion.
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  393.  @stopcensorship7705  Absolutely, but I highly doubt you would return the favor. Let's test that. I believe gays should be respected. Did I make a valid opinion too? Let's hear you cough up an unconditional "yes."
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  394.  @stopcensorship7705  No, that's not true at all. IMO you did nothing to earn respect, if I may say so. But, I'd still grant it to you, however reluctantly.
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  395.  @stopcensorship7705  There may be a chemical trace of validity to that opinion.
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  396.  @stopcensorship7705  "your opinion is still not valid." It is to some.
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  397.  @MandNsvideos665  That's OK. But I would make a distinction between respect and civility. We here in the US by and large have learned to be civil with our rivals and adversarys, be they political or otherwise. Now, I don't know the answer to this. But is this standard in Ugandan society too? Would you agree to shake hands with a gay man after a debate, the way we would, for example?
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  398.  @stopcensorship7705  Are you civil towards gay men?
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  399.  @stopcensorship7705  Does that include gay male civilians? C'mon, answer the question.
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  400.  @stopcensorship7705  Me? Lifestyle choices? I never said anything about that. Being gay is not a lifestyle. I'm gay, but I hate gay bars, hate drinking, have never done the bum thing ever, and haven't had a sexual encounter in decades. As gays go, I think you'd actually like me.
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  401.  @stopcensorship7705  I'm glad you are civil to gay civilians.
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  402.  @stopcensorship7705  Saying what my lifestyle DOESN'T include is not telling anyone what my lifestyle choices DO include. Furthermore, it's precisely the lifestyle choices that gay men allegedly make that concerns you. Or do you not care what they do in private?
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  403.  @stopcensorship7705  "I'm against "gae civilians". " No problem, I wouldn't stew over it.
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  404.  @stopcensorship7705  You're the one that introduced the phrase "lifestyle choices." That's your term, not mine. I'm important enough, apparently, for you to keep paying attention to me. (I don't know how to insert that little laughing emoji.)
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  405.  @stopcensorship7705  Could you show me how to do that?
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  406.  @stopcensorship7705  Fatherless? He's still around at age 89 and doing pretty well. Nice try. There is no effective therapy for gay attraction. Fatherless theory is not science. But I'm delighted to see my importance being acknowledged by your concern for my health. Very thoughtful of you. I've rarely received so much attention on a Youtube thread. Keep those posts coming.
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  407.  @stopcensorship7705  Why do I need a mirror when I have you? Keep them posts coming.
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  408. Which truth is that, life in prison for nonviolent behavior?
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  409. Indeed, supporting life in prison for non violent behavior.
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  410.  @stopcensorship7705  If you're talking life sentences drug offenses, I'm with you. I'm against both. Hope you are too. If you are a big gung ho freedom/liberty type, that means getting the government out of people's bedrooms too.
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  411.  StopCensorship4--1  Many African eat dirt. So stop lying please.
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  412. Why should I or anyone respect a man who believes in executing gays? Unlike Musevini, do you uphold the Golden Rule, that widely held standard that most religions allege to embrace? Do you have a sense of basic humanity?
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  413. "completely disrespectful towards other cultures.... " Well it's debatable if asking two questions = disrespect. "stay out of one another's business." That would mean two things to me in this context. -The West butts out and minds its own business -Ugandans minds their own business and leave gays alone.
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  414. A murderous legend to be sure: Uganda's most celebrated mass killer, complete with body bags, torture chambers, waiting to mow down the protesters.54 to be exact last time 'round. Is it any wonder he looked the other way when the death penalty was proposed for gays back in 2009. He called them terrorists. One would think someone who mows down his own citizens has a bit more in common with terrorists than people who love one another.
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  415.  @Angelum_Band  Thank you for your reply. I totally acknowledge it. The difference is, Obama's targets were military, not civilian, even though many civilians died (how many is hard to know) But a recent study by the Brookings Institute estimated about 800 total under the Obama years. Musevevi's bloody toll is more likely over one million. That's apples versus cherries. There's a big difference between an anti-terrorist drone mission and mowing down your own people. The reports of torture continue, as in this item: "KAMPALA, March 22 (Reuters) - Ronald Ssegawa said Ugandan security agents pulled him off the streets in January last year, burned him and pulled out his fingernails. His crime: supporting the opposition. The 22-year-old is one of hundreds of government critics and opposition supporters detained and tortured in the last three years, especially around the 2021 presidential vote, U.S-based Human Rights Watch (HRW) said on Tuesday." Bobi Wine was also tortured. Even the US's very own tinpot dictator, Donald Trump, didn't do that. Though the recent attack on Paul Pelosi is a scary reminder of what could happen here too.
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  416.  @Angelum_Band  My apologies for replying. That was before I realized you are a troll. And a pretty boring one at that.
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  417.  @Angelum_Band  I'm actually trilingual. I can speak all three at the same time while playing the violin and throwing darts with my hands tied behind my back.
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  418.  @bullymaguire8380  If Bush said gays are disgusting, the same people who post here would be jubilant. I seem to be the only one here black or white, who cares about body counts. You seem to only care about what color people's skin is.
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  419. What would you do if you were gay?
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  420.  StopCensorship2-wh3nm  Because I have faith that one day you might actually see the light.
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  421.  StopCensorship2-wh3nm  The point is that genetic or not, most people cannot choose their orientation. Just as we don't choose to be sad, or cannot decide to like coffee ice cream if we hate it. This is the profound truth you always have trouble with. Desires and attractions are just there, and while we can sometimes push ourselves to like something, there's no guarantee we will succeed.
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  422. That's about the only virtue of majoring in bedroom management.
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  423. Or to his own people. Torture, mass murder of his citizens, fraudulent elections. Those are his values.
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  424. So you have a fancy for mass murderers. Is your favorite law also the one that calls for executing gays?
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  425. The truth according to Uganda's most notorious mass murderer. That really adds credibility to your message.
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  426.  @mennakitty1  Hey I'm just saying, using thugs and mass murderers as spokespeople for you views isn't helping your case. What makes you think I can't handle your opinion? Does the Quran also support torture, killing peaceful protesters by the dozen, and fraud elections? Go for it.
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  427.  @Kudz_LastmanStanding  The bible was written by ancient men. No God in His right mind would deliberately create a world with so much suffering, and then blame it all on us. That's all the proof you need to see the real truth.
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  428.  @Kudz_LastmanStanding  Here's yet another puzzle, though not a complete proof. Why did God invent homosexual attraction if He was against homosexual behavior? One can go on and on with puzzle and contradiction after puzzle and contradiction.
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  429.  @Kudz_LastmanStanding  If God were real, He would have foreseen which people would misuse their free will, and eliminated them from his creation. No mater how you slice it, evil is God's work. He could have left evil out of his creation. If real, He created it when he had an option not too. Just as he created gay attraction. Why did he do that? It doesn't matter whether one chooses God. Under His creation, babies are blown up. Do they deserve this?
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  430.  @Kudz_LastmanStanding  I respect the Ugandan people, and their right to dislike this "lifestyle" (which is another misnomer BTW.) My only issue is the fact they are subject to prison. In the last 13 years both the death penalty and life in prison have been proposed in Uganda for gays. This is in keeping with Museveni's penchant for murdering people he doesn't like. You don't have to like gays. But jailing them is an outrage by any decent standard.
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  431. That describes him and probably most of the population of Uganda. They haven't reached the more enlightened view that you don't use violence against non-violence. Like the US government's foreign policies, they haven't mastered the art of minding your own business. It seems obvious enough to most Westerners. But apparently they still struggle with even basic notions of civil conduct.
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  432. What you really mean is, God bless hatred: destroying gay lives just because you don't like them.
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  433. Supporting life in prison for gays is not only unwise, but a crime against humanity. It's man's inhumanity to man. Deal with that reality.
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  434. I love it. She asks two questions, and it becomes a weapon. Strange how bias works.
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  435.  @stopcensorship7705  So you admit that hormonal imbalance, and not choice, could be the cause of homosexuality. Your progress is slow but admirable.
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  436.  @MilkmanEditsAL  It can only be a weapon if Musevini found the questions offensive. To the contrary, he seemed to enjoy answering them. Looks like he wanted to be canceled by your logic.
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  437.  @stopcensorship7705  What would be the point of fixing it if it weren't the cause of being gay?
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  438.  @stopcensorship7705  Did you or did you not admit hormonal imbalance might cause homosexuality? Please make up your mind.
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  439.  @MilkmanEditsAL  That's in the eye of the beholder.
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  440. Real men who mow down peaceful protesters by the dozen, where torture is still wide spread, who conducts fraud elections? Uganda's most notorious butcher? That real man?
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  441.  @cyrusblackwood33  You're talking about Trump's Big Lie? I'm not surprised the same person who calls a butcher a real man promotes the Big Lie. The two views are indicative of the same psychology. The willingness to believe anything.
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  442. Kindly cite in the video above where CNN imposed its values on Africa.
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  443. This weird obsession Uganda has with bedroom management. Would that they apply the same skills to something useful.
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  444. Do you also agree with his endorsing the death penalty for gays back in 2009, and then life in prison when that bill failed?
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  445.  @broski3128  It's a simple principle that seems to elude many Ugandans. If they want the West to mind its own business, why can't they do same for gays? A healthy mind doesn't obsess about what others do in the bedroom.
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  446.  @kollegs101  Can you give a scenario where this gets out of hand?
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  447.  @reginageorge4  Woke madness is annoying but not destabilizing.
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  448.  StopCensorship4--1  Not according to Pew Research, THE gold standard for opinion surveys. Shows again you are out of touch with reality on multiple levels. But hey, what fun would there be without the local village idiot?
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  449.  StopCensorship4--1  "nobody is born gae," Not true. You've never heard of Homo Erectus?
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  450. And his murderous government? You know, the one where state violence has become normalized, , it's proposed "kill the gays" bill, where extrajudicial arrests, torture, and wrongful imprisonment have all been part of the the most recent election, with its 54 killings of innocent protesters and bystanders. If you respect corrupt elections and violence, he's your man.
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  451. Yes, he's honest about hating, and elevating his feelings into life sentences for gays. I suppose that can be liked on some perverted level.
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  452.  Apollox44 Pollo  "Yes you did, and i quote: "Oh yes I do, and so do you. We should all know the basics. Is murder wrong? Yes. In Uganda the law says if you are gay or practice homosexuality you are subject to life in prison. That is wrong, and if you can't see that, then I can say with complete confidence that you are holding a morally evil point of view." <----That is an entirely subjective opinion masquerading as an objective fact." I actually didn't say it was an objective fact. Having complete confidence doesn't make it objective. I believe that morality has validity, which is a different matter. And what I am getting at is that there are certain standards decent people adhere to, or should adhere to. And we don't go around pretending murder is in a grey area. And we certainly should not be equating gay conduct with other crimes that deserve life in prison. By contrast you are taking highly debatable propositions and presenting them as if they were objective fact. But if you didn't mean that, I take it back.
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  453. ​ Apollox44 Pollo  "Firstly, that's not how this works. Scientifically, if there is no evidence of something existing, there is no reason to assume it does. " You've got it all wrong again. The assumption I've made is not that it does exist, but that we have enough evidence at present to declare it a possibility worthy of further investigation. By contrast, you have stated the opposite, which is to say that we should declare it IMPOSSIBLE. That's not science, but hubris.
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  454.  Apollox44 Pollo  What do we know about biology that precludes this? I don't mean anything as silly as precise codes for every situation, but general ones.
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  455.  Apollox44 Pollo  "However, morality is a conscious level function requiring the development of the equivalent of a frontal cortex and societal upbringing to inform it." We know so little about the origins of morality that it's hubris to make these kinds of assumptions. Our behavior is shared by many forces including ones independent of upbringing. Why do we like a particular type of music? Are we socialized to like Beethoven? Or is there a hardwiring component to this? A moral sense can't be completely a product of socialization IMO because we have to ask, where did society get it from? Did they just invent morality out of thin air? If God gave us the moral capacity, how do we know He didn't give it to us through our hardwiring? These matters are poorly understood at present, it seems, and I could just as easily say that to me, it's highly implausible that we humans just randomly invented morality without any biological input.
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  456.  Apollox44 Pollo   If we have to choose between humans or society just creating morality out of thin air, or hardwiring, hardwiring is the more intuitive answer.   Morality does not exist in other animals true, but one can argue it doesn’t suddenly just appear out of nowhere either. It has arguably evolved as a continuum from what one might call the pre-moral behavior of our ancestors, which can be thought of as an early stage of morality: for example feelings of having done something wrong, “shame or guilt” It would be counter-intuitive to say that while a primitive moral sense began to evolve in higher mammals, rather than continue with the advent of homo sapiens, it instead suddenly disappeared.       The evolutionary theory of morality has a lot going for it. It can be argued that moral traights were selected because it enhances survival by inducing greater social cooperation.   Finally, there have been experiments testing cross cultural morailty. In one well known example, researchers have shown that  whether you are Western, Eastern, an eskimo or an aborigonal, when you and a friend are walking along together, and your friend happens to find a sum of money lying on the ground (or the material equivalent) and offers less than  half of it to you, most people indicate they would reject the offer. This might suggest that we are hardwired for a sense of fairness, and are willing to forego profit if we are treated unequally.  In yet another article we have the claim that scientists have discovered 7 universal moral rules:   “Anthropologists at the University of Oxford have discovered what they believe to be seven universal moral rules.    The rules: help your family, help your group, return favours, be brave, defer to superiors, divide resources fairly, and respect others' property. These were found in a survey of 60 cultures from all around the world. Previous studies have looked at some of these rules in some places – but none has looked at all of them in a large representative sample of societies. The present study, published in Current Anthropology, is the largest and most comprehensive cross-cultural survey of morals ever conducted.”   And Michael Shermer in his book The Science of Good and Evil has come up with no less than 202 moral universals.   Chomsky is famous for his theory of universal grammer, which posits that all humans come pre-wired with an instinctive set of rules governing how we process language. If it’s true for grammer, then why could it not also apply on some level to morality?
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  457.  Apollox44 Pollo  As usual, you have absolute rigid answers to everything. What I fully expected.
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  458.  @pekh1859  OK, I agree with much or latest post. I never claimed that all moral behavior is simple and easy. However, I find it hard to understand how jailing gays for life fits into any decent moral philosophy. What philosophy would that be? What does that accomplish other than cause more misery? I don't see why this issue isn't rather black and white. If you want to talk complex messy morality, try economic systems, abortion, legalizing prostitution, the exact age of consent, legalizing drugs, the list is endless. But life in prison for gays? That's in a grey area to you? But I agree, I don't mean to say the West is necessarily superior to Uganda, and the US does play God with the world and shouldn't. But Youtube comments don't represent anything other than the individuals posting on it.
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  459.  Apollox44 Pollo  "Furthermore, absent a belief in God, heaven and hell, you've yet to give me a rational reason to behave morally when it is more advantageous to be immoral." I've given you a rational reason - our hardwiring. Let's go back to Chomky's universal grammar, a theory which posits we all come pre-wired with an instinctive set of RULES for processing language. Now, I am not an expert in linguistics, and presumably neither are you. But I am quite smart enough to know that Chomsky's theories are taken very seriously by the vast majority of scientists. So IF hard-wired moral rules are impossible, then that would also have to be true for any other set of rules that govern human behavior. Kindly tell us how Chomsky's theory became the dominant one scientifically if it's all so neatly disprovable. Thanks
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  460.  Apollox44 Pollo   "Your example dealt with fairness, the claim being that people would forego profit if treated unequally. The idea being, in your own words, that people are hardwired for fairness. If that's the case, people wouldn't be so prone to pocket the money others have dropped for themselves. There's similar experiments in which people openly take advantage of a person's blindness to cheat them out of money. Where's the hardwiring for fairness there? These examples don't prove anything about hardwiring one way or another." I would say the crucial difference here is that people are not as concerned with fairness when it comes to how others are treated, but how THEY are treated. Translating that as universal to others is another layer or two down in moral reasoning. So the idea here is, people particularly feel the sting of personal humiliation when treated like this by others, and they - according to the surveys - express this by more often than not turning down the smaller serving of the pie. That's why someone would be much more inclined to pocket money left behind by another - THEY aren't experience the sting of inequality. So these are two related but ultimately not very analogous situations.
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  461.  Apollox44 Pollo  "lol then that's not hardwiring for morality, that's rational self interest, " How would it be rational self-interest to turn down a $100 bill, for example? The model I'm presenting is that a person values a sense of being treated fairly by others, and has a strong reaction when not being treated fairly. There is a sense of "moral outrage." If you didn't have this instinctive moral sense, why would you turn down the dough?
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  462.  Apollox44 Pollo  "I found your explanation of the theory vague so i did a wikipedia search and these are the criticisms other experts have levied against it:" I read the wiki entry too and I knew you would be quoting from it. Here again is an example of controversy, different models of how we acquire knowledge, and competing paradigms. You automatically choose the models that agree with your bias, and perhaps I do the same. This doesn't get us anywhere definitively. The feral child example is not proof of anything because the theory of universal grammar doesn't hold that it is the only criteria for being able to learn a language. Wiki is very convenient for Youtube debates, and I had little trouble under the feral child entry finding the Critical Period Hypothesis, which holds that there is a critical period in early life where this ability is acquired, after which it becomes increasingly difficult to learn a language. I'm sure we could debate this endlessly and you and I would always quote the research that fits our paradigms, right?
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  463. "Furthermore, absent a belief in God, heaven and hell, you've yet to give me a rational reason to behave morally when it is more advantageous to be immoral." Help me understand this. I am not particularly a believer, I was raised in a more or less non-believeing family that rarely went to church. But I also have a strong moral conscience, have genuine moral commitments and empathy. So how can you explain this given your model that I must be a believer to have these attributes?
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  464.  Apollox44 Pollo  "It can't get us anywhere definitively because this theory isn't even falsifiable, and therefore unscientific." Having thought about universal grammar quit a bit today, it seems to me there's a lot to question in it, and it seems that Chomsky himself has largely recanted. The charge of unfalsifiability is hard to evaluate without examine his theory in detail, something I don't have time to do. So I will abandon this analogy. Theoretically, if one found a society with a radically different language not having all the alleged rich features Chomsky cites, then that would count as falsification, wouldn't it? The feral child, however, doesn't disprove universal grammar, nor does the Critical Period Hypothesis. Here are 2 obvious counter examples: teenagers can hear frequencies that adults cannot, but that doesn't imply hearing is cultural; young children have the ability to grow back a fingertip if cut off, but again it is obvious we don't teach children to grow back fingers. I would say this about morality: it involves powerful feelings/emotions, without which we would not be able to process the concept of morality. In this sense, why should it be any different than any other emotions that might be hard-wired into us? We know so incredibly little about the human mind that it borders on hubris to rule out some degree of innate sense of morality.
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  465.  Apollox44 Pollo  I think it might be wise to read this NOVA article on falsifiability. It expresses some of the question marks I have had: just google: "Falsifiability is “just a simple motto that non-philosophically-trained scientists have latched onto.” “It would be completely non-scientific to ignore that possibility just because it doesn’t conform with some preexisting philosophical prejudices,” says Sean Carroll, a physicist at Caltech, who called for the “retirement” of the falsifiability principle in a controversial essay for Edge last year." Thoughts?
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  466.  Apollox44 Pollo  "Philosophy doesn't require falsifiability" Misses the point entirely. The claim is not that philosophy requires falsifiability, but that lack of falsifiability may be a flawed methodology as an objective standard. It's itself an untested assumption, which has proven very useful. But how do we know it's the BEST methodology? Counter example: you provide a theory that best fits the available data, even though at this stage at least, it's not falsifiable. In our quest for scientific truth, why wouldn't preferring the best unfalsifiable theory count as scientific? Wouldn't continuing to pursue evidence for the best available model/theory be much more scientific than say, spinning ideas out of thin air? Is there a truly objective way to distinguish science from non science?
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  467.  Apollox44 Pollo  “A scientific theory by definition MUST be falsifiable. So...I'm not following...are you claiming falsifiability is a bad standard?”   To continue falsifiability for a bit more, I wouldn’t go that far, but it may be too restrictive. Modern science predates Karl Popper’s falsifiability paradigm by centuries. It has, from what I understand, become part of the accepted definition of the sceintific method. But I don’t believe one can argue it’s intriniscally part of the basic definition of science. That is, many scientists have been debating it for some time now. This would not be the case were it noncontroversial, as for example the definition of the sun. The idea is, what is the best methodolgy for distinguishing sceince from nonscience? Falsifiability is not a first principle, but an attempt to find the best way to do sience.    Nicholas Maxwell puts it this way:   “I come now to my own major criticism of Popper's theory. It amounts to this: Popper has failed completely to provide any kind of rationale for the methodolo- gical rules he advocates. That is, he has failed to provide us with any reason for holding that Popperian rules give us a better hope of realizing the aims of scientific enquiry than any other set of rules.” Here’s another counter example I read: The claim that humans are mortal seems well founded scientifically, but it’s  not falsifiable for the obvious reason one would have to live for eternity before having any hope of finding an imortal human.  Would you agree with this example?
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  468.  @palestinevideos2025  There's a divide between western and nonwestern countries. The vast majority of people in the major western countries now accept homosexuality. And in any case, majorities do not determine morality. If they did, then we would have no reason to debate the subject. We would just declare that the answer to all moral dilemmas is to choose the dominant view.
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  469. ​ @palestinevideos2025  But you haven't provided a coherent argument why morality is a function of majority opinion. What's your argument?
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  470. ​ @palestinevideos2025  Please provide proof that the only way to have a "smooth functioning of society" is to adopt the morality of the majority. A utilitarian, for example, might also make the same argument you are making: only by adopting utilitarianism can we have a smooth functioning of society. Why is he wrong and you right? How do you test that?
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  471.  @palestinevideos2025  Actually, from what I can see, you are advocating a type of utilitarianism. But there's also a contradiction in what you are saying. Most people, if you asked them what morality consist of, would probably not give the definition you are giving. To the contrary, it seems that most people derive their moral beliefs not from a belief in the greater good per se, but in following prescribed moral codes set down by what they consider moral authorities: God, the Bible, the Quran, or other religious texts. - which may or may not correlate to the greater good. For example, does working on the sabbath really harm the smooth functioning of society? Does stoning a cursing child to death make society a better place? People, in other words, tend to follow a moral code because of their belief it is correct, not because it promotes the general happiness. Certainly the directive in Leviticus to kill a cursing child helps nobody. If most people believed morality consists in augmenting the greater good, they would all stop being self-oriented, and make other people - not themselves - the prime objects of their concern. In fact, most people the world over are remorselessly selfish, whether in the US, China or Iran. That is the way the world works. So the irony of what you claim is that the world's great majority don't subscribe to it.
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  472. @SA in Adidas 1933 Yes, a a is ignorant of world history, or else he agrees slavery was once a moral thing.
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  473.  @palestinevideos2025  "Slavery was known in almost every ancient civilization and society including Sumer, Ancient Egypt, Ancient China, the Akkadian Empire, Assyria, Ancient India, Ancient Greece, Carolingian Europe, the Roman Empire, the Hebrew kingdoms of the ancient Levant, and the pre-Columbian civilizations of the Americas.[3] Such institutions included debt-slavery, punishment for crime, the enslavement of prisoners of war, child abandonment, and the birth of slave children to slaves.[48]" So a a, were the ancients correct? If so, by your logic it would have been sick and psychotic for them to have attempted to end slavery.  Apparently civilization functioned smoothly for many centuries in these societies, and the practice was abandoned mainly for economic, not moral reasons, not because "chaos" resulted. In most cases slaves tend to be less than half the population, and it may well be that the vast majority of people, though powerless, accepted it as a normal part of society. But let's say for the sake of argument is was accepted.  Did that really make it moral? If the majority wants to kill you because they despise you, that's perfectly moral?
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  474.  @palestinevideos2025  You haven't offered proofs of anything. You haven't proven that slavery was a necessity. If it were, then why was the North able to function smoothly without it while the South continued to practice it? Most countries function quite smoothly despite allowing homosexuality. A quick check reveals that the majority of the world's countries allow homosexuality. It's completely legal in about 130 countries, illegal in about 50 countries, with a few dozen allowing it for women but not men. And many of the legal countries changed only in recent years, indicating a worldwide shift towards greater acceptance.
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  475.  @palestinevideos2025  You have also failed to show a correlation between acceptance of homosexuality and the lack of a "smooth functioning of society." For example, 8 of the top ten "peace index" countries allow homosexuality, while only 3 of the bottom 10 allow it. And among countries with at least 5 million inhabitants, 17 of the 20 countries with the lowest homicide rates allow homosexuality. You are just inserting your assumptions in place of actual evidence.
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  476.  @palestinevideos2025  As for Africa, it seems to be a basket case of bad government, disease, poverty and high crime. Uganda, for example, has a murder rate twice that of the US, the 26th highest in the world. Elsewhere in Africa Lesotho has the 5th highest murder rate in the world, South Africa 8th worst, Central African Republic 14th, Swaziland 18, Namibia 19th, Botswana 22, South Sudan 21, Democratic Congo 22, Seychelles 23, Ivory Coast 25, Cape Verde 27, and Mali 30. It seems your ideal continent is filled with bad behavior indeed, people who do not know how to take care of themselves, and are much more violence prone than the West. By your logic, perhaps we should add Africans to the list of people who should be dispensed with. Indeed by your logic it could well be argued the world would be much better off without Africa.
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  477.  @palestinevideos2025  "You accidentally admitted that being against homosexuality is just as a legitimate moral position as being in favour of it." Oh do tell me where I said that.
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  478.  @palestinevideos2025  "the least peaceful countries in the world allow homosexuality. . . . .The USA being the least peaceful country in the world" Your methodology is all over the place. You are a scholarly joke, no academic institution could replicate your slap dash knee jerk untested inconsistent approach to reality. As I stated , by your logic Africa could easily be dispensed with and the world would be a better place.
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  479.  @palestinevideos2025  "Whereas countries which ban homosexuality are far more peaceful." Show me a constant set of data that supports that.
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  480. ​@a a Tell me where I said being against homosexuality is just as morally legitimate as being in favor of it. I said that I'm fine with other people saying they don't like it, but I never said I consider it just as legitimate. Please back up what you say. I want chapter and verse. Where did I say this?
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  481.  @palestinevideos2025  Well maybe we need to get back to the very basics. In your eyes, which is more basic to morality? The fact it's the majority view? Or the "combination of logic and emotions" the majority uses to arrive at their views? What comes first here?
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  482.  @palestinevideos2025  I'm more or less with you so far. But we have to go even deeper. If individual emotions and logical reasoning are the starting point, and not majority opinion, we have to ask, what are the exact emotional and logical considerations that leads an individual to come to a better moral position than someone else's moral reasoning? In the absence of knowing the majority's views, how do we evaluate the correctness of an individual's moral conclusions?
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  483.  @palestinevideos2025  "as for correctness of morals. You just have to go with the majority. You have to accept that. " Not without a cogent and compelling reason. It may well be that a minority viewpoint will have thought up a better moral system, one that leads to greater social harmony. There is no guarantee that majorities always come up with the optimal rational moral arrangement. So you have not prodded any proof that morality equates with majority opinion.  But there's another paradox you have to deal with. On the one hand you say that "everyone uses their logic and emotions to form their moral view." So moral views are NOT, according to you, a function of agreeing with the majority. To the contrary, moral determinations are arrived at by an individual's reflection and employing logical reasoning. But by saying morality is determined by majorities, you have undercut this veryindividualist methodology. If, as you have stated several times now, that morality is determined by majority opinion, an individual should NOT employ this process of moral reasoning. They should just go with the majority. This is a paradox. So to conclude: you haven't proven that the best moral system is the one agreed upon by the majority. And you have undercut the very methodology you have given for individual moral reasoning by stating that such reasoning is irrelevant. Instead, all and individual need do is agree with the majority rather than think for him or herself.
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  484. ​ @palestinevideos2025  " There is no such thing as predefined right or wrong or superior or inferior morals. It is just a case of the majority is correct." There is no argument being presented here. If there is no such thing as inferior or superior morals, then neither minorities nor majorities have come to the "correct" morality.
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  485.  @palestinevideos2025  There is also another principle of morality that has widespread acceptance, and that's the "Golden Rule." Under this alternative paradigm, we universalize how we want to be treated, and apply that to everyone consistently. So to use the example of homosexuals, if you believe a homosexual has no right to kill you, then you have no right to kill a homosexual. To do so would violate the Golden Rule. How do you know that the Golden Rule, and not majority opinion, is not the "correct" morality"?
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  486.  @palestinevideos2025  And finally, there are many different moral systems that have as their goal the overall happiness of the majority, including utilitarianism, the American system of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness," and socialists who argue that market-based economies erode human well being. You are assuming that majorities are better able to figure out which moral systems lead to maximizing happiness. But economic and social rules are often difficult to judge, even among the experts, and it doesn't follow majorities will always choose or understand these complex systems better than a minority of social or economic experts. Thus it is entirely possible a minority might be better able to correctly choose the best social arrangements and rules than the majority.
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  487.  @palestinevideos2025  So to comment thus far, you have only presented tautologies: majorities are correct because they are correct.
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  488.  Apollox44 Pollo  "No because all it would take to falsify the claim that humans are mortal would be to find someone who doesn't age." Not correct. Living forever doesn't just entail not aging, it means surviving every other cause of death, such as accidents, homicide, natural disasters, and indeed all of eternity. But even if we restrict ourselves to biological aging, there would be no absolute proof that a person who has stopped aging now, will not begin aging sometime again in the future.
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  489.  Apollox44 Pollo  "And anyone who has stopped aging is immortal by definition, if they start aging again they are no longer immortal." You're misdefining immortal, which means "living forever; never dying or decaying......exempt from death" A person who has only temporarily stopped aging can still die. Therefore temporary cessation of aging does not meet the definition of immortality, and that person was never immortal. "That is indestructibility, not just immortality. That's even more easily falsified as we just have to try and kill him." Not sure if I'm following you. The issue under discussion is not falsifying indestructibility and immortality, but destructibility and mortality. In practical terms, you cannot falsify human mortality for the reasons illustrated. Destructibility is equally unfalsifiable because any failure to kill a human being by known means would not necessarily exhaust all of the possible destructive forces in the universe that might kill him or her.
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  490.  Apollox44 Pollo  "No, you didn't define it properly, because immortality can refer either ..." This part of the discussion is going nowhere fast. But I will end by saying that the falsifiability criterion is open to question, the web does link some vigorous discussions on the subject, including by respected scientists. It's not that anyone is saying falsifiability should be completely dispensed with. Rather, the claim is that there is no absolutely uncontroversial or objective way to definitively separate science from non science. Popper was not a scientist but a philosopher of science. So to dismiss nonscientists and philosophers views is to dismiss Popper himself.
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  491.  Apollox44 Pollo  "That is completely false. Science is objective and demarcated from non-science (quackery) through falsification. " OK, well let's test that. Tell me objectively what science is, in your own words.
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  492.  Apollox44 Pollo  "Mortality has not been falsified because there are no immortals, all humans die. " So how is this any different than my original claim? Human mortality in the fullest sense qualifies as a science based theory, yet it cannot be falsified, just like I stated !!!! What is it that you are disagreeing with me on?
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  493.  @tomjohn9026  I thought that at first, but the last few posts seem genuine. I think he really is in favor of murder, which is not much better I suppose.
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  494.  @palestinevideos2025  There is no coherence to your latest post. That morality exists as a concept inside of human minds doesn't prove WHICH human minds have correctly conceived of it, or that the MAJORITY of minds has correctly conceived of it. I gave you an interesting counter example. What if a minority of human minds comes up with a moral arrangement that would create even more happiness for the majority than the arrangement endorsed by the majority? You haven't explained why this "minority" morality might not be the one that ACTUALLY maximizes human happiness.
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  495.  @palestinevideos2025  "Humans have decided that homosexuality is immoral. Therefore it is." You still have a pure tautology. Majority morality is correct because majority morality is correct. Go for it.
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  496.  @palestinevideos2025  "Any impartial observer would take an average where there is a difference in opinion" Pure garbage. If this were so, philosophers from Socrates to Kant, Bentham and John Rawls would not have thought to study the subject in full length bookstand treatises.
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  497.  @palestinevideos2025  "now you resort to insults" Well you already called me a psychopath, so now we're even. :)
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  498.  Apollox44 Pollo  Science is "Verifiable, provable knowledge of the material world through observation and experimentation." What do you think of this formulation:  "All of science is uncertain and subject to revision. The glory of science is to imagine more than we can prove."
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  499.  Apollox44 Pollo  So if all of science is uncertain, how does that square with the definition of science being verifiable and provable? (The quote is from Freeman Dyson)
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  500.  Apollox44 Pollo   Well here is another Scientific American article dated December 23, 2015: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-string-theory-science/?redirect=1 "Is string theory science? Physicists and cosmologists have been debating the question for the past decade. Now the community is looking to philosophy for help." How does this square with your comment that it isn't taken seriously by physicists? Why are they looking for help if they don't take it seriously? If you are correct, why was this published in Scientific American?
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  501.  Apollox44 Pollo   This piece from Discover suggests again that the falsifiability requirement is arguably too stringent. In the below example, to rule out string theory completely would be to undercut its scientific usefulness: The New Calculus "Other physicists, meanwhile, are employing string theory methodologies in their study of extreme matter states — from the intensely hot plasmas produced in particle colliders to materials created in laboratories at temperatures close to absolute zero.  University College London physicist Andrew Green, who investigates the strange phases of matter that arise at ultra-frigid temperatures, never imagined getting into string theory, but has found it extremely worthwhile. Although it may not offer a comprehensive theory of reality, he says, 'it has ushered in the development of a new set of mathematical techniques that are useful in broad areas of physics.' "
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  502.  Apollox44 Pollo  "Scientists ALWAYS say that science is a little uncertain. Even when they know with 99.9% accuracy." Reasonable position.
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  503.  Apollox44 Pollo  Finally, my last thoughts for the evening. In the both the Discovery article, the Scientific American article I quoted from, and the NOVA article, we hear from scientists who have questioned the absoluteness of the falsifiability requirement. By contrast you wrote: "There are no scientists today who consider falsification controversial, not one." Are you sure you still stand by that?
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  504.  Apollox44 Pollo  "They haven't questioned it, they're admitting it's the best standard, they just want lesser standards to count as science too." I don't think you're making sense here. By definition, if one wants a lessor standard to count as science too, that is the equivalent of saying falsifiability is not an absolute standard in all cases. Unless I'm missing something, what's the difference between these two views?
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  505.  Apollox44 Pollo  I think we have exhausted the subject of falsifiability. To turn back to the major themes of the thread. In response to my claim morality is conceivably hardwired into us, you replied that "this is objectively false." Specifically you rejected the notion there could be an inborn distaste for cheaters. But there is also evidence that this disposition exists in primates too: "Brosnan said the response to the unequal treatment was astonishing: Capuchins who witnessed unfair treatment and failed to benefit from it often refused to conduct future exchanges with human researchers, would not eat the cucumbers they received for their labors, and in some cases, hurled food rewards at human researchers. Those actions were significant. They confirmed that not only did capuchins expect fair treatment, but that the human desire for equity has an evolutionary basis." I would say that's more of a suggestion than confirmation. Aside from that, any comments?
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  506.  Apollox44 Pollo  "So yes, they expected fairness," Ah, but fairness is a moral concept, even if only in regards to yourself.   Now you can say they got all pissed because they just wanted more. Or, you could interpret it as a basic feeling of being wronged.  How can you be sure which it is?
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  507. ​ Apollox44 Pollo  Fairness IMO is inherently a moral term. I think there are a few layers to unpack here. Fairness implies not just raw self-interested displeasure, but a condemnation or scolding to the collective, as you put it, that is cast in moral terms: you should know better than to treat me like this. That's the key implication: you should KNOW better.    I think the mistake you are making here (from my perspective) is saying that all forms of moral expression must be as fully evolved as our own.  We are primarily self-interested, and far less altruistic, and our moral codes usually reflect this. The fact we may not embrace a morality that cares about everyone's interests equally doesn't mean we don't have a genuine moral code. Similarly, that Capuchins aren't as morally evolved as us doesn't mean they don't have a sense of being wronged; and similarly, their moral sense would reflect these limitations too.  Fairness from a less universal perspective is more moral than no fairness at all, and still is making a statement to the collective. So I don't see how we can definitively rule out that the Capuchin's protest might well contain a genuinely moral component.
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  508.  Apollox44 Pollo  "It's not about definitively ruling out that the Capuchin's protest might contain a moral component, " OK, let's go with that. It's not such a big jump from this to the claim morality may have a hardwiring component. I would call that reasonable speculation, even if not science. Are you open to this?
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  509. ​ Apollox44 Pollo  "Furthermore, it goes against the natural instinct for self-preservation above all." This has been the traditional paradox of morality, given that we are self-interested. There's been much work done on this problem since the 1990s, utilizing tools such as game theory. We now have some tentative answers to explain this. The gist of these theories go something like this: It's in our rational self-interest to cooperate with others because we get more of what we want. The problem is, why aren't we all cheaters as well? A cheater reaps the benefits of social cooperation, as well as the extra servings he gets by cheating people. The answer that's been proposed, and has now gained quite a bit of traction is that while people are good at deceiving others, they are also able to detect cheaters much of the time. So, paradoxically, if you can convince someone you genuinely are moral, you will be trusted more often, and enhance your self-interest through social cooperation. And the easiest and best way to convince others you are moral is to become genuinely moral. This is the fascinating paradox of morality: it may well have emerged precisely because it benefits our self-interest.
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  510.  Apollox44 Pollo  Well I think this might be a good time to end the dialogue. I appreciate your being a good sport. Take care.
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  511. ​@Renzo Alarcón Aren't they?
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  512. @Renzo Alarcón  I had never thought of that! You are doing very well tonight indeed.
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  513.  Mutated Pearl  But deeming it a crime is precisely where the hypocrisy lies. Telling the West to mind its own business contradicts African leaders refusal to mind THEiR own business. Adults don't obsess about what goes on in the bedroom. Only busy bodies do.
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  514.  @njgrant3988  You are ignorant of basic history. It's well known that the British not only ended the Atlantic slave trade, but put pressure on many African nations to end domestic slavery, which they did. Your theme that only whites do bad things has no place in a serious discussion. It is racism.
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  515.  @njgrant3988  I wasn't very aware of the Canadian history. That's deplorable. But I don't know what you mean by "your people." Does that mean whites? Americans? The history of the world is replete with atrocity committed by virtually every race and nation, The US decimated the local population. But the local populations also were at war with each other, before the arrival of Europeans. Whites bought slaves from the Africans. Slavery within Africa predated the Atlantic slave trade and still hasn't been completely eliminated. Do "white" nations enslave Africans or native peoples today? We cannot judge atrocity by the color of the oppressors. They come in all varieties.
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  516.  @armaan1091  I think fear and ignorance have a lot to do with this. In the US for example, most people fear making incest or polygamy legal. And there may be some rational reasons to be concerned especially about incest. There are probably similar suspicions or concerns about how gays could poison some African societies. There's still this in in the US too witness the claim by fundamentalists homosexuality will bring down society, and others who say it spreads disease and undermines the traditional family. So it may not just be disgust or hatred, but fear.
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  517. ​ @254react  In the US the practice of polygamy is effectively legal as few polygamous men seek more than one marriage license. I would favor legalizing polygamy if there's a reasonable proof it would not cause any more harm to society than either gay or monogamous marriages. Perhaps there is such a proof. Given the testimony of many former polygamy wives under Mormonism, a case has been made the institution is anything but gender-neutral; and, traditionally polygamy has its historic roots in inequality and oppression of women. So I am open on this question for now. Thus there is no inherent lack of "authenticity" when a Westerner (or anyone) supports gay rights and gay marriage. Does this position sound reasonable to you?
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  518.  @254react  I said I was fine with polygamy in theory. If it works as advertised, I have no objection. And even if I did have a problem with it, when push comes to shove I probably would relent and not favor outlawing it, based on my libertarian instincts. As like you said, no one is forced into such agreements. So the same should be true of gays. If it's voluntary, why would you object to it? Insulting societies: I am equally critical of my own society. Trump is horrendous. We have big racist problems as you mention. We have great wealth inequality, we pollute the environment. If Trump were a man of principle, he would sever all ties with Saudi Arabia until Prince Mohammed is brought to Justice over the Khashoggi murder. And all ties severed with Russia until Putin is brought to justice for the latest poisoning. Plenty to criticize. We (US) are the laughing stock of the world right now.
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  519.  @AImighty_Loaf  I have no problem if you don't support gays or don't like them. It's life in prison that violates basic decency. I hope you would agree. The higher principle I appeal to is: mind your own business. That's a far more enlightened and less self centered view. Life is far too short to worry about who sleeps with whom. I'm sure you have more constructive things to do with your life.
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  520.  @AImighty_Loaf  It depends on what you mean by force. The US is not about to go to war with Uganda over homosexuality. Nor is the gay community. I understand the frustration in dealing with activist groups. They can be ill-mannered, and perhaps I have been a bit. The way I see things is through the lens of basic principle. Take the issue of force. Let's refine that: the initiation of force. This is the only thing, in principle, with some basic exceptions like paying taxes, that may be unhypocritically objected to. The initiation of force starts with criminalizing non-violent behavior. It does not start with gay activists. They are REACTING to the violation of the non-force principle. That makes it fundamentally different. This is why, to me, there is no hypocrisy in condemning Uganda law. IT has initiated the use of violence, and extreme violence - life in prison - against gays. If you or Uganda law differ with me, and what we in the West call enlightenment values, then we have to leave it at that. I am not saying you are an evil person. You seem like a far more reasonable person than many anti-gay posters.
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  521.  @ChristopherLaw-qv4ou  Welcome to the never-ending thread. They would prosecute. But prosecution per se does not determine morality per se. The issues are complex.
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  522.  @edgysnarfbrownie5778  There's no proof it's "objectively bad." Or if there is, you need to provide it. As to not liking homosexuality, fine.
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  523.  @wb6012  They shouldn't. But "bigoted" is not about what one is "against," rather, it has to do with WHY they are against it.
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  524.  @Token-j1n  I've posted many replies. What part are you referring to?
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  525. Impossible, as there is no God against which one can turn their back.
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  526. What would you do if you had exclusively gay attraction?
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  527.  @loirenhuh  "he is not support animals," Animals? What are you talking about. Well the US had its most secure presidential election in history. Compare to president-for-life Museven. All leaders have blood on their hands. But few could match Museveni's thirst for bloodshed: the most notorious mass murder in Uganda's history. Did Biden slaughter 54 Trump protesters last election? Does he excuse the murderers? Do Ugandan citizens have the same freedoms we do? Do they fear arrest and torture for free expression?
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  528.  @julia2k8  Yes, I agree with you on woke western garbage. But calling for the slaughtering of gays, as Musevini does, is a thousand times worse. I hope we can find common ground on this.
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  529.  @titteryenot4524  Yes, but I lowered the bar to just life in prison. There is no moral justification for that penalty without one being a fundamentally intolerant person.
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  530.  @jegamespeed5399  I agree I agree, not suggesting that my views are absolute truth. But at the same time, it raises the question of principle. What is harm, and how should it be punished? If you were to come up with a set of principles that spells out what actions should receive life in prison, what would it be? Wouldn't significant harm to others be a reasonable boundary line to answer that question? What is it about gay activity that is so horrific in your mind? Is it physical danger? Emotional trauma? Disgust? The breakdown of society?
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  531. Go ahead, just babble away. You have not an ounce of evidence to back up your religious drivel.
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  532.  gumby chew  You're a homo too. We are all homo sapiens.
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  533. Isn't it possible to find someone whom you respect but is not also a criminal, indeed the country's worst mass murderer in its history? Any thug will do as long as they hate gays?
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  534. That's right. Because being among the most self-ranked miserable people on earth, Ugandan's are desperate to find at least one thing to celebrate.
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  535.  @Србомбоница86  In these threads the focus has been on the West, versus Africa. Not the whole world.
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  536. What would you do if you were a homosexual?
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  537.  @rx3oc  I can understand that. So does that mean if you were gay, you would you refrain from acting on the attraction?
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  538.  @carlososler7024  If God is so against homosexuality, why did he create it?
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  539. Why do you want to push your values on gays? If you want the West to mind its own business, why not practice what you preach? Mind your own business and stop sticking your nose in other people's bedrooms.
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  540.  @_leokaye1182  "Modern day Babylon will get destroyed the same way Sodom and Gomorrah did and the same way ancient Babylon did." For which you can cite zero proof. That's the problem with majoring in Bedroom management.
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  541.  @_leokaye1182  Do you always "like" your own posts?
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  542.  @thematic3893  Just wondering. If you woke up tomorrow and found yourself having gay attraction, what would you do about it, if anything?
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  543.  @virtualmask  The problem for me is that gays and therefore gay culture are a part of Africa. So is it wrong to respect that part of the culture too? Are majority views the only ones deserving respect? Much of that depends on what one thinks about cultural or moral relativism. To me, moral relativism is self-refuting if you do the logic, as ultimately there's no hard and fast line between one group and another. Thus moral /cultural relativism cannot in principle rule out every person having their own moral code. When that happens, you get anarchy.
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  544. ​ @scarlett2299  Just so you don't think I'm a completely humorless woke bloke, I admit that for a fleeting nanosecond my laugh reflex was almost activated.
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  545.  @thematic3893  I do understand and agree. There is a cultural difference here. But there's also plenty of misunderstanding too. I think that's part of the problem. While there is as yet no absolute scientific consensus on the causes of homosexuality, the evidence is by now very clear that people don't choose it. Oh yes, of course we can choose our behavior. But the attraction itself is not chosen. This is what the debate is really about, at least in the US. But the debate is often totally misconstrued, as if we had to be told that we can choose our behavior. So I think once we can agree that these attractions are basically a part of us, and not chosen, we might be on the path to at least an improved understanding. "so confused that I take part in this thing? " This is what I mean. Confusion has nothing to do with gay attraction. You either have it or you don't. The only people who meaningfully choose, for the most part, are bisexuals. Thank you for your reply.
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  546.  @thematic3893  I agree, morality is not objective. But it may not be totally relative either. There is no song and dance, just giving you my opinions. These are philosophical debates that transcend the US versus Uganda, and have been debated for centuries. As to whether the West's morality is above Uganda's is a question of culture and standards and religion and so on. But you can still have the opinion if you want to, that in some areas one culture is fairer and juster than the other. They are not necessarily all equal. For me personally, I'm not saying overall your or my country has better morality in any objective sense. But personally, I feel the principle of minding one's own business and not jailing whom we disapprove of is a more evolved morality. Is the US better than Uganda that way? As we've discussed, not necessarily. The US plays policeman --- OK, God if you like -- with the rest of the world. Outrageous? I think so. But relatively speaking we are not as obsessed with what goes on between consenting adults in the privacy of their own home. Yes, the pronoun thing is way out of hand. But the last time I checked, no one has been jailed for that in the US. There was a case in Germany recently. Terrible. But the jail sentence was for trespassing after he was told to leave. Very different than being jailed for minding your own business.
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  547. Another terrible country.
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  548.  @loleryyibooooy5542  That's powerful, man.
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  549. It's too bad that the "only honest" one is also a thug, Uganda's most depraved mass murderer, surpassing the death tolls of both Amin and Obote combined. But to each his own.
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  550. I agree to a degree. But, it's ultimately hypocrisy to complain about the West enforcing its agenda, when that is exactly what Uganda has done to gays. They even proposed the death penalty for it. It's always interesting to me how selective reasoning works. The only country that's truly "enforcing" anything is Uganda. Jail = force. A CNN interview is not force but voluntary.
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  551.  @thematic3893  And I return the compliment. You have not been hateful and abusive like many others. :) I guess what I don't understand is,Why is it so hard for you and others to do what you ask of the West: just to mind your own business. Don't try to control the lives of others. Just let gay people be, so long as they do the same to you. Why let it affect you?
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  552.  @thematic3893  And how could you possibly know such a thing? Further, it already goes on whether it's legal or not.
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  553.  @thematic3893  Thank you for your replies. A couple of points: -I asked you how you know acceptance of homosexuality will destroy the African people. You still have not provided evidence for that. I see it's a strong belief of yours. Do you think gays have destroyed the US? Britain? Most of Europe? -"You don’t care about us Africans" I don't see it that way. I wish nothing but justice for everyone in any continent or society. I believe there are certain principles of justice that are universal, regardless of culture. So I am well within my rights to respectfully disagree with you about what constitutes justice. That's all I have been doing here. - "when the truth is it is you that lacks the civility to keep your ideas to yourself" There is some truth to that because the West, at least Western governments and media, cannot seem to mind their own business, yet that's what they want Uganda to do when it comes to gays. However, I speak only for myself, and Youtube forums are (usually) open threads to discuss anything one wants. Since I believe justice and morality to have universal components, I reject the idea that only Uganda has an interest in Ugandans, or that only the US has an interest in the US. This may well be a fundamental divide in how people think. There may be no objective right or wrong here -"Africa shall never promote this lifestyle choice" Again, we have to be exact about definitions. Gay is not a lifestyle. It's primarily an attraction that is not chosen. The evidence for this is overwhelming.The idea people desire to become gay by watching too much Western TV is a ridiculous misconception. We are either born into, or reared into, our orientation, or by some combination of both. By the time a child is four or five, the basics of their personality are more or less set. Unless one is bisexual to begin with, the average person does not wake up one morning and say, "Gee, I think I will become a homosexual today." The recent rise of the LBGTQ movement has mistakenly lead some to conclude that people can choose to become gay by personal decree. That's another myth that deserves many more posts. I agree that the gay rights/LGBTQ agenda takes things too far. All I ask is to not use violence when the crime under question is nonviolence. So far as I know, polygamy IS against the law in most US states. Personally, I don't think we need a law against it because I don't think most people would go in that direction. My only concern are the widespread reports of abuse of polygamy wives in the US. That seems to be a troubling concern.
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  554.  @bullymaguire8380  Trolling for attention, I see.
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  555.  StopCensorship4--1  The constant groomer argument just causes people to roll their eyes. It's as if I said of you, "constant stupidity." At least in that case it would actually be correct.
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  556. Genius for depravity, I'll give you that.
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  557. Not worldwide. Acceptance of homosexuals is on the rise in the West, as more and more people realize gays are just as human as the rest of us.
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  558. They do speak for most Americans. The latest Pew surveys indicate the vast majority of Americans accept homosexuality. 72% at last count.
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  559.  @Angelum_Band  Is it possible to have a little respect for a man who just underwent brain surgery? I suppose you're one of those people who believe everything they're told.
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  560. There's no conscience and wisdom in Uganda's most celebrated mass murderer, and narcissist par excellence. We insane demonic people understand Musevini all too well. A thug's a thug. Shows how utterly twisted your morals are.
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  561.  @stopcensorship7705  8-25% Still no disproof = fraud.
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  562. Can one be gay and still be a decent person?
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  563. Some people find black people disgusting too. Who cares what bigots think?
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  564.  @NightmareSWGOH  I accept me. You can't even do logic.
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  565.  @stopcensorship7705  Do not compare scientific knowledge with yourself.
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  566.  @stopcensorship7705  Do you know what a polygenic trait is?
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  567.  @stopcensorship7705  Wow, you are quite the scientist tonight. The problem is, you don't look at evidence the way a scientist does. The field of sociobiology, among others, consists of much suggestive evidence that behavior is heritable. The subject is hotly debated as you must know, if you are as informed as you claim you are. This is a classic case where we simply don't have access to enough data to prove this one way or the other. It's like the question of whether races differ in average IQ. As Stephen Jay Gould wrote at the end of his diatribe against Charles Murray, we must remain agnostic on that subject. The same is true here. It's hubris to say there's zero evidence; or to suggest the proof is in one way or the other. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA TO PROCLAIM A PROOF. That's why you don't qualify as a scientist. You don't understand the difference between an unsettled state of evidence, versus a genuine proof.
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  568.  @stopcensorship7705  "clearly you're not up to date with biology: the human genome has been fully mapped, there will never be any genetic proof for your depraved behavior" Your continued ignorance never ceases to amaze. If you keep on playing scientist with your shockingly poor intellect, you'll just get further and further humiliated. If you have any self respect, quit while you're ahead.
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  569. For the unenlightened, perhaps.
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  570.  @vikuly8  Oh really, so in one fell stroke you exclude all women in your conception of gay. How sexist is that. And simultaneously equate gay with but s-x. Combining two fallacies at the same time gives one a good idea of your version of enlightened. Question Ms. Enlightened, what would you do if you had gay attraction?
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  571.  @vikuly8  Not exactly replying to my points, but interesting.
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  572. Well our government has committed enough murder as is. Why would we want to add to the body count?
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  573.  StopCensorship4--1  But not even the US could match your level of unadulterated stupidity.
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  574.  @stopcensorship7705  Hi Big Guy. 2 million incarcerated. We are a Big country Big Guy. Do those incarcerated include 54 peaceful opposition protestors, do they include opposition leaders? Do they include targeted civilians? Do we jail journalists for "offensive communication"? The big difference, Big Guy, is Musevini kills his own civilians by the thousand. The US does not. Since Obama, civilian deaths in other countries occur as a result of military targets. Big difference, Big Guy.
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  575. ​ @stopcensorship7705  Deal with it.
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  576. So you celebrate mass murderers. How touching. Do you support dirt eating as well? An African delicacy I hear.
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  577. It's not the real truth, it's just his opinion, no better than your or mine.
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  578.  @winstonandmargaret7688  What makes you more qualified to know the truth? An irresistible conviction that you are superior to others just by virtue of being you? No disrespect intended.
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  579.  @winstonandmargaret7688  Oh great, I get the final word. The Bible was created by ancient men. That's why it celebrates rape and slavery, or executing a cursing child. If you think a real God would do that, you have a lot of explaining to do. The bible reflects ancient mans' beliefs, at a lesser stage of moral development. That's why it loves violence so much. You know, the flood. Why did he create mankind, knowing full well He would kill us all off? These questions cannot be answered by adherence to faith. Finally, why did God create homosexual attraction if he's against homosexuality? Again, no amount of contorting explains this bizarre paradox. Cheers to Museveni. Uganda's greatest butcher . And most celebrated thug. Tell me, are his torture chambers, and the 54 people shot down in the last election and his sham elections: Is that in line with biblical teachings too? Have a good night Big Guy.
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  580.  @winstonandmargaret7688  Thought you were ending this discussion 5 hours ago. Can't even keep your word, can you. Go for it Big Guy. Any argument about God and bible you would loose big time. Just as surely as the alleged Perfect Being decided that suddenly in 4004 BC he would decide to unleash the murderously Imperfect species, mankind, onto the scene: knowing full well the evil that would result. So much for God's omnipotence or moral concerns. Biblical scholarship will not solve that problem. Neither can you, Mr. Superior.
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  581.  @stopcensorship7705  So you like the part about executing a cursing child? Sounds perfectly Godly to me.
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  582.  @stopcensorship7705  As with virtually all true believers, they believe it because that's what they were taught as youngsters in their own culture. That's why Muslims choose the Quran and you choose the bible. You were taught it, but never questioned it. Or do you want me to believe that you undertook a rigorous review on all 700+ world religions before accepting any of them, and just happened to come up with Christianity? Go for it.
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  583.  @stopcensorship7705  "and the Quran has executed your haram feelings." God once executed the entire world (minus eight people.) See the Book of Genocide. So much for His Perfection. A colossal blunder by any standard.
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  584.  @stopcensorship7705  "The Bible certainly executed your cursed feelings." The meaning is clear, but expressed somewhat awkwardly. Consider a rewrite.
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  585.  @Nicolas-sz6qh  The most disgusting thing of all is his record of torture and mass murder.
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  586. And that from one of the most brutal, twisted, narcissistic dictators in the world. His total disrespect for human life makes his views null and void.
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  587. ​ @مصعب-خ8ه Value judgements cannot be objectively proved. Therefore it's not a fact. Did they not teach you the difference between a fact and a belief?
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  588.  @sampathn4429  News to me I'm getting touchy. Sounds like you are, though.
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  589. That gays could wipe out the human race? I don't know what informs Ugandan citizens to uncritically accept such nonsense.
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  590. For sociopaths like you, and mass murderers like him. That has never been truer.
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  591. So you bless Uganda's most prominent butcher, complete with torture chambers, body bags, sham elections, and 54 peaceful protesters slaughtered at election time. Go for it. God must be thinking, "another one of my delusional creations. Where did I go wrong?"
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  592. Stop talking and start taking action. Only you can change your behavior.
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  593.  ijumpjudy8  Or Tin Pot dictators who can't stop killing people.
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  594. Who cares?
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  595. Better disgusting than murderous. There is no wisdom in a vicious killer, in fact the most brutal mass murderer in the country's history. Can't you pick a more enlightened ally?
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  596. Yeah, like the fact that having gay attraction is not chosen. Does that offend you?
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  597.  @titteryenot4524  Oh there's no doubt. Look at the hate gene He created. No God in it's right mind would wish to create creatures whose sole purpose in life is to waste away on Youtube, spilling hate.
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  598.  @gabrielle-d1b  Actually it's sun spots.
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  599.  @Adargi  I don't recall removing anything. It's probably Youtube's bizarre and stupid way to run a thread. Do you remember what my post said said? Are you talking about this one? "He is a hypocrite. He wants respect only for his country's values, but denies the same courtesy to gays in his country. That's a major violation of the Golden Rule. If a country practices mass slaughter of, say, black people, would you also say we should respect that country's values?"
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  600.  @kitosiriikrit7573  "Acting based on your sexual impulses is wrong no matter what sex you are. " Once again, that's just your opinion. Don't pretend it's an objective fact shared by all healthy normal people.
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  601. Like wishing to kill people for homosexuality. Sure thing, tell us about it. These are the morals of a thug and a butcher.
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  602.  @poobycheeks  Tears? I find the whole thing terribly amusing. That people would be so upset at the existence of same sex attraction that they have to pander to one of Africa's most notorious dictators, complete with record-holding body counts, torture chambers and sham elections, and mowing down peaceful protesters. No, only hating gays is what seems to matter. This is actually entertainment of the highest order, but for the indifference to human life your hero displays.
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  603.  @poobycheeks  Do you also have a degree in Bedroom Management from your venerated butcher-leader?
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  604. I agree. We should name him Snoopzilla.
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  605. Suppose you found males sexually a turn on, but never found females to be a turn on. How would this have affected your life choices, if at all?
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  606.  @thomascook2982  Can you change your sexual orientation if you tried? You think you can make yourself get hard by looking at d-ck? Does that sound like a good theory?
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  607.  @thomascook2982  Can't answer a simple question? Shows you aren't serious,
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  608.  @thomascook2982  I would count your blessing stoo. At least in the US you don't have to worry about ending up in a body bag or torture chamber, which are specialties of the Ugandan president.
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  609.  @thomascook2982  If you can manage to stay out of a body bag,
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  610.  @thomascook2982  Not if you were one of the 54 peaceful mostly heterosexuals protesting last election in Uganda. In the US we don't have to worry about our own government shooting us down for being against it. Nice try.
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  611.  @thomascook2982  Just like you.
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  612.  @stopcensorship7705  Actually, it is you who wins the prize for the all-around most addicted poster, a broken record if there ever was.
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  613.  @stopcensorship7705  I have a hobby making sketches of people based on the things they say. I've got pretty good at it lately. Your sketches indicate someone very yummy and very juicy.
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  614.  @Sorrowblast  It only shows that common sense is in the eye of the beholder.
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  615.  @spacelover360  That's exactly what the ant-gay crowd is obsessed with. You think gays have sex in in the Kitchen?
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  616.  ijumpjudy8  It's an understandable reaction to decades of being labeled mentally ill, and anti-gay public sentiment. if these people kept their hateful mouths shut, then gays would not feel a need to express themselves. In Uganda, you can be executed for being gay. So who is more dangerous, gay people having sex, or a murderous butcher, whose death tolls have exceed those of both Oboto and Idi-Amin? That's what people should be concerned with. Instead they are obsessed with poo. And BTW in the US one in 3 heterosexuals admit to having had anal sex the previous year. Are you obsessed with their poo too?
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  617. And he joins the millions of others in the world (the West included lest I be accused of arrogance) obsessed with what goes on inside the bedroom.
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  618.  @stopcensorship7705  Face reality. Since you fail abysmally in the natural sciences, you chose an easier degree: Bedroom Management.
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  619.  @thematic3893  I guess you don't understand the concept of an analogy. There has indeed been a proposal for executing gays in Uganda. And Ugandan president favored life in prison for gays. That's oppression by any decent standard.
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  620. What fact did I get wrong?
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  621.  @thematic3893  You don't have to discuss this if you don't want to. I'm curious though, not liking gays or gay life choices is one thing. But do you support laws discriminating against them?
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  622.  @thematic3893  Happy to have the final word here: To summarize, the primary point for me is not about respecting African values versus respecting Western values. We should be respecting human values: Don't jail or harass or detain illegally, beat up gays just because people don't like them or what they do in the bedroom. Violence based on not liking someone is retrograde. The government of Uganda has practiced all of these in recent years. Uganda too can do what we do in the US: stick your nose out of people's private lives, and live your own life. And yes, the US meddles in other country's affairs. In that department, we are much worse than Uganda. If people in Uganda want us to respect their society, that's perfectly OK. But it's hypocrisy to demand respect for one group (Uganda) and deny it to another (gays.) That's selective respect.
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  623. Just be careful not to protest during election time.
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  624. Who cares what you think.
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  625.  @HogExeNadoUser  And the worst mass murderer in the country's history. No, as long as gays are disgusting, nothing else matters.
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  626. The bible also says children cursing their parents should surely be executed. Are you going to tell us with a straight face God authored those words too? Would you support executing a child for cursing too? Or can only God have that point of view?
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  627. WHO searched the video?
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  628. Respect and integrity have nothing to do with imposing life sentences on people you don't like. But that is exactly what Musevini supports. It is lower order humans, meaning those for whom violence is a guiding beacon, who are the most perverse.
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  629. Who exactly is this warmonger? A CNN journalist who asks two totally neutral questions and doesn't even make a single remark herself?
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  630.  @stopcensorship7705  Stupid doesn't equal warmongering, now does it?
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  631.  @MalingAsliSukolilo  Who brought god into the conversation, other than you? I respect on some level the fact some people don't like gays, or even say it's disgusting. What I don't respect ever, is advocating violence against gays. We should all be in agreement on that. Right? But the government of Uganda has proposed in recent years the death penalty, and life in prison for gays. I would hope you agree that ruining someone's life is wrong just because you don't like them or their behavior. What do you say?
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  632.  @MalingAsliSukolilo  Yes, that's all true. Killing gays is no more acceptable than these other things that happen in my country. I'm glad you are in agreement with me.
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  633.  @MalingAsliSukolilo  "you said OMG. It s an abbreviation of oh my god," If you can't ferret out the meaning of that expression, and take it super literally like a robot, no wonder you have changed the subject so many times. You need to stay more focused on the issues you bring up, and not get side tracked by triviality.
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  634.  @MalingAsliSukolilo  Being side tracked and becoming obsessed with trivial insights is not how serious discussion works. Giving the president of Uganda a chance to tell off America, and then saying that's war mongering is, is pure projection. Tearing apart an idiom is sheer rage.
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  635.  @stopcensorship7705  "thing is, you're not taken seriously because you're in need of therapy." Well there's no proven therapy for gay men, so you're living in a dream world. As the Pew research surveys show, the majority of people in the West now accept homosexuality. Nice try, though.
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  636. She asked two fricken questions. That's pushing it?
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  637.  StopCensorship4---2  "Jesus didn't care about your feelings." And he doesn't care about yours either.
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  638.  @Tyler-ze4tg  It is plain as day to any unindoctrinated human that God, the biblical one at least, is a fiction. The question that you are asking is just one of countless questions disproving His alleged existence. For instance, if he knew in advance (due to his perfect knowledge of all things past present and future,) he would kill us off in a great flood, why did he create us in the first place? That also shows God does indeed make mistakes, which is strictly forbidden according to definition. One could make an endless list of these lapses and contradictions. Only an indoctrinated person could fail to see these gaping holes.
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  639. ​ StopCensorship4---2  OK, let me state it unambiguously. Ugandans rank themselves among the most miserable 20% of peoples. There you go. You can't argue with that. You always love to push the opposite of the truth. But I still want to give a big juicy kiss. Because you're a Big Guy.
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  640.  StopCensorship4---2  Since you don't know which hormones could make me heterosexual, what makes you think an endocrinologist would know? More BS from the master of BS.
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  641. He left out a few important ones: mass murder in the hundreds of thousands, sham elections where protesters are mowed down by the dozens, the normalization of torture.
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  642.  @AbdelrahmanTheGreat  I'm sure you think so. Harrassing gays is more important than 54 innocent protesters shot dead in your country's last presidential election. Did you vote for him too?
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  643.  @AbdelrahmanTheGreat  Well you said, "Oh nice." What was I supposed to think?
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  644. For a Snoopzilla.
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  645. Well then the message is clear. Can't you stick to one partner at a time?
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  646. Just curious. What would you do if you were gay?
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  647. Well, if you like politicians drowning in corruption, responsible for killing 54 opposition protesters and excusing the murderers, and endorsing death penalty legislation for non-violent gays, he's your hit man for sure.
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  648.  @Futurist1c111  The question makes no sense.
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  649.  @thedamnkbob4044  Well that was certainly profound.
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  650.  @POH341  It's not harming you. So why not concentrate on poverty and child sacrifice and don't waste your precious time on this earth obsessing over gays.
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  651.  @POH341  I don't think you will have much luck proving that gays are greedier than the rest of us.
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  652.  @POH341  Heterosexuals cause riots all the time. So do whites. So do blacks. You can't blame an entire class of people on the basis of selected incidences. No offense, and correct me if wrong, but you give off the impression of someone who is underage. Am I right?
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  653.  @stopcensorship7705  There you are again spreading disinformation. There's also no lefty gene, but that hardly proves lefthandedness is chosen. You need a crash course on genetics.
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  654. Whatever you do, don't become a political protester. You might end up in a body bag.
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  655.  @jegamespeed5399  Thank you. Why is it harmful to have a union with someone you love? Is it OK if heterosexuals form a union on that basis?
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  656.  @jegamespeed5399  "significant harm." No, just leaving gays alone to do what they want in the bedroom does not promote normalization or lies. You have cited no evidence.
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  657. @Yeah Yeah Well said. People should be free to dislike. But dislike is no excuse for violence.
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  658.  @khalidhassan9423  Nor does he have the minimum snoop quotient to pass the bedroom management exam.
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  659.  @Maksie0  Absolutely. The God of the bible is a monster on many levels. Evil is his stock-in-trade. He invented it after all.
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  660. And your attention away from those obsessed with homosexuals. They must really love it down deep. Their fascination is relentless.
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  661. I guarantee you one thing, if humans were asexual, and a few deviants were born who practiced heterosexual sex, we would never hear the end of it. "Disgusting, putting your thingy into a urine fountain, . . . .omg the Golden Shower, filthy!!! " Not to mention the 45% of young straight men who have had bum sex. Shows how we are conditioned. If you had strong gay attraction, what would you do about it?
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  662.  @justaperson2653  Check your spelling.
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  663. I'm sorry, that was meant for Stop Censorship.
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  664. Leviticus: execute a child who curses. Go for it.
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  665. He's wrong.
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  666. Whether you like gays or not, what has to be canceled is violence, and in that department Uganda and the US for that matter surpasses gays on a massive scale.
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  667.  @stopcensorship7705  I see this is your home, the perfect platform to feel good about hate.
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  668.  @StopCensorship4--03  What a wonderful proof how so many grown adults (or am I wrong) could waste so much of their lives on a forum for dummies.
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  669.  EpicSigmaBoy55555  When these people become elderly, they will regret the utter waste of there lives they spent on here.
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  670. @StopCensorship4--03 It is to be expected that a person with such low intellectual standards would also fail so badly in the humor department.
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  671. Like mowing down 54 peaceful protesters. Go for it.
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  672. Why would anyone care what some corrupt tinpot dictator says about gays? President-for-life Museveni is Uganda's biggest mass murderer in history where torture is the norm, and as in the last election, protestors are mowed down by the dozens. Yes, he speaks his mind, which is the mind of a depraved killer.
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  673.  Doctor Jr.  No, the people in the West have learned to target real threats, not what folks do in the bedroom. That's another example of moral progress.
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  674.  @stopcensorship7705  I have no problem with your dislike of gays. I get it. But why do you, along with all these others, choose your platform at a forum celebrating the opinion of the biggest thug in Uganda's history? Can't you find a more decent anti-gay fellow to quote from? Says a lot about your moral values to not even mention Museveni's hideous murderous conduct. Is there no moral boundary for finding anti-gay opinion? You'd probably praise Hitler, because his disgust of gays probably means more to you than 10 million deaths.
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  675.  @stopcensorship7705  I don't care who's better. A butcher's a butcher.
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  676.  @stopcensorship7705  Oh dear Mr. Censorship, You've undoubtedly heard of the conversion therapy ministries where so many gay folks have gone for help. Could you tell us, if gay is a choice, why the need for the therapy?
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  677.  @stopcensorship7705  And why has this therapy failed so badly?
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  678.  @UnbelievableTaken  Which war are you referring to?
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  679.  @UnbelievableTaken  "They are imposing lgbt on us" Well, here's part of the problem. What exactly do you mean by "impose?" If gays go about their life and don't infringe on your rights or interfere with your ability to do the things you do, would that be OK with you?
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  680.  @UnbelievableTaken  I agree, its wrong to impose a lot of these things. So that's why I asked you, would it be OK with you if they didn't impose themselves in this way, but your society just let gays alone? Is that asking too much?
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  681. All CNN did was ask two questions, giving Mr Museveni a platform to speak to the world. He should be grateful.
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  682. You want mass murder of his own citizens in the hundreds of thousands, and torturing the opposition; and sham elections, then he's definitely your man.
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  683.  @spacelover360  And so are corrupt murderous tin pot dictators.
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  684.  @spacelover360  Oh, did my comment disappear again?
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  685. In his country you're lucky if you don't end up in a body bag or torture chamber.
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  686.  @famousmwofficial8046  I agree the West should pull out of policing the world. But when it comes to tinpot dictators personally responsible for over 1 million deaths, where torture is rampant,and elections are a fraud, the whole world has a right to be concerned. So when you endorse the view this man must be protected at all costs, you are protecting a thug along the lines of a Putin, pure and simple.
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  687.  @famousmwofficial8046  You are right, it is hypocrisy. Noam Chomsky said that recently. But he also said it doesn't justify what Putin is doing. Putin is a man who has not the slightest concern for grabbing his citizens off the street, and because of him we have a humanitarian disaster. He's responsible for a minimum of 50,000 deaths at last count. He's a true thug and a true monster. I don't think you could compare that to any of our most recent presidents except maybe W. Correct me if I am wrong.
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  688. The only one employing force is the Ugandan government, like its various proposals over the last decade for the death penalty and life in prison for gays. Like the rounding up of 125 people in gay friendly bar a few years ago, and murdering of gay activists. I guess you have a blind spot when it comes the definition of Force.
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  689. Doesn't matter. You can be against all that stuff and still leave gays alone. That's all I personally ask. Just as the West should mind its own business, we should not be minding the bedroom.
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  690.  @stopcensorship7705  Where did I say parental guidance doesn't matter? Did you forget your meds again?
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  691. Or their sham elections and torture chambers.
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  692.  @stopcensorship7705  Still waiting for the name of the single height gene. I guess that retreat wasn't long enough for you.
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  693.  @cxarhomell5867  Stop Censorship crawls the internet daily for every site having to do with gays. And his signature post is "there's no gay gene." I guess he didn't state this here today. Sorry for the confusion.
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  694.  @thematic3893  The question is wrong. I already gave an answer to you in a previous thread. There is no mathematics or logic or magic formula that dictates why a person may have an interest in a subject. We are complex beings, including our pet interests. If you are searching for a logical explanation of curiosity, you won't always find it.
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  695.  @stopcensorship7705  You keep sinking to new lows. So, do you believe human males, who on average are more aggressive than females, only learned to be more aggressive? Do you have proof? Are you a sociobiologist by training? Face reality, I whipped your b-t on this one, and you don't like it.
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  696.  @stopcensorship7705  Stop Censorship says: "Physical traits in general are mostly genetic in cause, behaviors are not." Study says: "Study identifies 579 genetic locations linked to anti-social behavior, alcohol use, opioid addiction and more" You lose again.
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  697.  @stopcensorship7705  "No behavior is genetic." "Study identifies 579 genetic locations linked to anti-social behavior, alcohol use, opioid addiction and more" You need to prove the above statement wrong. Go for it.
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  698.  @stopcensorship7705  Discredited by whom?
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  699. Double standard: respect other societies and their values. . . . but not other people and their values. A classic case of philosophical hypocrisy.
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  700.  Molly Wop  Yes of course.
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  701.  Molly Wop  What is your point then?
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  702.  Molly Wop  That's because this form of communication is extremely prone to misunderstanding. My "yes of course" was in response to your "Double standard: Polygamy is illegal in the west." I am agreeing with you it is a double standard, or at least I think it is. I wasn't suggesting only western values are valid or always superior. That said my personal opinion is that on the whole the citizens of western countries are by and large freer and treated better than those of non western societies. For example polygamy will get you up to 5 years in prison in the US, but gays in Uganda are subject to life in prison. Yes, the US it teaming with arrogance and intolerance too. I don't deny it.
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  703.  @stopcensorship7705  Don't compare gay choice to hormones.
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  704.  @stopcensorship7705  By definition, if hormones cause homosexuality, it is not a choice. You lose again....and again and again. You just don't have the mental rigor to put 2 and 2 together.
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  705.  @stopcensorship7705  Please provide proof positive that hormones cannot be the cause of gay attraction.
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  706.  @stopcensorship7705  "There is no proof hormones cause you to behave gae," There is also no disproof. Once again you don't understand the nature of evidence.
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  707.  @stopcensorship7705  "in fact choosing to inject yourself with hormones is an artificial deliberate act to disturb the endocrine system. It should only be reserved for doctors to prescribe as treatment for severe hormonal imbalances." All the more reason, then, that non-immutability is irrelevant, since there exists at this time no known hormonal treatment for homosexuality. For all practical purposes, that renders hormones effectively immutable for gays.
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  708.  @davidandthatotherguy1369  Hah. OK, tell me what my claim is.
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  709.  @kitosiriikrit7573  The derangement is you. There is nothing inherently wrong with homosexuality. Nor could you cite such a proof. The real question is, why do people like you obsess over the subject. No country ever went to war over sexual orientation.
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  710.  @cxarhomell5867  There's not even proof of that.
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  711.  @toxinrazor6489  Well you provide a proof the Bible is God's word, then I might reconsider.
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  712.  @toxinrazor6489  The bible cannot be proved by: 1) quoting on behalf of itself; and 2) two lines of print.
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  713.  @toxinrazor6489  You have provided proof of neither.
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  714.  @toxinrazor6489  I have no idea. Here's a list of some other monotheistic religions: "Zoroastrianism, Bábism, the Baháʼí Faith, Deism, Druzism, Eckankar, Sikhism, Manichaeism, Samaritanism, Mandaeism, Rastafari, Seicho-no-Ie, Tenrikyo, Yazidism" Are you saying you have personally studied all these religions, and that you have independently verified that all the gods of these religions are false, and only the Biblical God is true? If not, then how would you know which god is the only true god?
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  715.  @youtubeaccount3074  Yes, freedom is a virtue.
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  716.  @thematic3893  The US is far from the ideal of freedom. But comparatively speaking, Uganda is a joke in that department. Even such a fierce critic as Noam Chomsky stated we in the US live in a free country. But that freedom has indeed been under more and more threat recently. For example, Trump's Big Lie really is a lie. But elections in Uganda have been criticized the world over for intimidation, violence against the opposition, and lack of transparency.
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  717.  @stopcensorship7705  "epigenetics are not used to assert identity stupid. " No one has ever said that except you. You are the master of the Straw man. If you can't tell the difference between asserting identity and gay attraction, no one can possibly help you. BTW how old are you? Beyond 5th grade?
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  718.  @stopcensorship7705  "hand coordination is a useful learned behavior. " More unscience from you. There's plenty of evidence it's partly heritable. Cite me a science paper that proves there's no biological component to leftyism. Go for it Mr. science, prove your self worthy and provide some f-ing evidence for a change. You never do this. You are just a robotic poster who doesn't understand the nature of evidence.
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  719.  @stopcensorship7705  That's true. If you behave irresponsibly, then stds may be the result. But not all gays practice std-prone sex, nor do most lesbians. Did you forget about them? They are part of the gay population too, in case you forgot.
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  720.  @stopcensorship7705  "as for health risks, I think ugandans can decide on their own policies" You're up to, what is it, Strawman number 9 or 10? That I can recall, at least You create them so often it's a bit trying to keep count.
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  721.  @stopcensorship7705  Waiting for that peer review citation conclusively proving biology has nothing to do with being gay. I'm all ears. You know how to do searches on Google, don't you?
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  722.  @BostonCréming  What else do you expect from a man who hates gays but loves to kill straights by the 100s of thousands.
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  723. Comments like these only reconfirm how unenlightened Ugandan culture, and all the people who come to its defense. Obsession with what people do in the bedroom is the sign of a snoop. Nothing more.
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  724. He must like gays more than the political opposition. At least he lets gays live, but peaceful protestors are mowed down when it's election time.
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  725. @Bottom Half Of a Skeleton Well I've seen you guys, what is it, 6.6 million times, praising a tinpot dictator.
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  726.  @stopcensorship7705  "any US president surpasses Uganda's body count." Which is why I don't sing Biden's praises.
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  727. If some Western leader said they found black people disgusting, would you respect their culture?
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  728. versus Snoopzilla
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  729. Really. What is honorable about torture and murder, Uganda's worst mass murderer in history in fact, where slaughter of the opposition is his favorite pastime? To each his own.
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  730. @Bottom Half Of a Skeleton If your'e that deluded.
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  731. It only shows that corrupt Tin Pot murderous dictators have honest opinions too.
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  732.  StopCensorship4---3  For someone who goes after young girls, you're one to talk.
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  733.  @kitosiriikrit7573  You can't reproduce if you're infertile either. But I bet you don't complain about that. "extremely wring and disgusting" is just your opinion. As Pew Research shows, in most Western countries, it's now accepted as normal. Your opinion is no more objective or true than anyone else's. Unless you think you're special.
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  734.  @Angelum_Band  Bingo is right. No proof for the conspiracy brigade, as usual.
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  735.  @444TripleH  Why would we want to worship a creator who chose to invent evil?
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  736.  @skribblztheofficialchannel3086  Yes, if God could always have "been there," then why not the cosmos? It may be that there is no beginning and end to the cosmos. That's no more radical an idea that the creator was always there.
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  737.  @siberiancajun  I thought the Creator created everything. But if not, due to his omniscience, He knew full well that evil would result. Thus it's his baby. He wanted it to happen.
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  738.  @siberiancajun  "The reason we have evil is because this creator has given us free will" No, that's wrong. We can only choose evil if evil exists. If it didn't exist, we could not choose it. God hardwired the cosmos to contain evil. Humans did not. He could have said "the concept of evil will not exist in my creation." Why didn't He?
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  739.  @siberiancajun  Furthermore, given God's omniscience, he could have used it to foresee which people would misuse their free will, and eliminate them from his creation. Then we would have, -No evil -Everyone would still have free will Again, it's easy to see through the tissue of religion once you allow yourself to use your free will to think freely.
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  740.  @siberiancajun  " if I run my truck into a tree, it doesn't mean that the creator of my truck intended it to go into that tree." It's His universe. Thus all bad things, either by accident or evil, trace directly back to Him. God created such perfection, allegedly called Heaven. If he could do it there, why not here too?
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  741.  @siberiancajun  This brings us directly to homosexuality. Why did our Creator create gay attraction if He was against homosexuality?
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  742.  @siberiancajun  "Good would not exist without it's opposite, yes." Let's go with that. As I just stated, God could have foreseen which people would choose evil, and eliminate them from his creation. In other words, God's all-knowing qualities means he was capable of creating only moral beings like himself. To say that God could not do this is to claim his omnipotence null and void. He is rendered impotent. There's no amount of twisting to save the bible from its inherent contradictions. I'm sure you're familiar with the passage from Leviticus stating that he who curses his parents should be put to death. Does that sound like a loving message?
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  743.  StopCensorship2-wh3nm  You can't choose something if god didn't create it. That's why you can't choose to flap your arms and fly like a bird. But you still have free will.
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  744.  StopCensorship2-wh3nm  Gay is an attraction. We don't choose our attractions. Hence the term to "fall in love." We have gone over this kind of stuff a thousand times, and each time you learn nothing. You stick to lower order thinking and reasoning.
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  745. You won't be getting them anytime soon. The world is fast changing, with most Western countries dramatically changing their attitudes in recent decades. The intolerant are becoming more marginalized as sensible people who have got to know gays see that they are just as human as everyone else. Yes, the West should mind its own business. But Uganda has no right to say this and then stick their nose into other people's bedrooms. Double standard. Especially since many want to jail gays for life, or worse, execute them. That's pure barbarism, no better than the West certainly.
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  746.  @stopcensorship7705  I already did. God was invented by ancient men. No God in His right mind would recommend killing a child who cursed. That's your loving God speaking.
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  747. Indeed he's no longer pushing for the law to be enacted.
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  748.  @carlososler7024  If there's no need for it, why did he sign it into law? LOL
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  749.  @mikeclayton5182  Well that's all I'm saying. I can tolerate intolerance of gays, but advocating life in prion makes the president of Uganda a criminal in my book - crime against humanity, albeit on a smaller scale.
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  750.  Rener Oslo A mind filled with hate is in no position to lecture others.
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  751. Yes, just like snooping Ugandans want to tell gays how to live. Failure of the Golden Rule if there ever was.
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  752.  @yugaeimthicc6400  Not being genetic does not = choice. There is, for example, the prenatal hormonal theory of homosexuality. The science is still unsettled. The prevailing evidence is that one is either born with, or reared into, or a combination of both, one's sexual orientation. Once you are 4 or 5 years old, these matters are basically fixed for most people, as are most personalty traits, tendencies, and temperaments. It's like handedness. There's no single gene for being a lefty, but there's no doubt it's not a conscious choice. I can speak with absolute confidence. As a gay man, I have tried all my life to be heterosexual and failed. The scientific evidence is very persuasive that people, except for bisexuals of course, cannot change these base orientations. This has been proven again and again by the near complete failure of psychiatry, and also of so called conversion therapy, to change people's basic attractions. The Christian ministries cannot pass scientific muster, and one by one most of these "ex-gay" ministers who ran the programs have recanted. I don't know what more proof one would need. I do not go for typical "gay behavior." That's not my thing any more than it is for most people. But to deny me one the most basic prerequisites for being fulfilled is unacceptable. If you come to know a lot of gay people, you may find we are no less human than you, and less decent as people.
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  753.  @stopcensorship7705  "Hormonal imbalances can be fixed." So if it's due to hormonal imbalance, then by definition I did not choose my attraction. Are we on the same page so far? edit: What makes you so much fun is how you unwittingly self-refute your own claims. By definition, a hormonal imbalance is not chosen. Apparently the irony goes right over your head.
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  754.  @stopcensorship7705  Then you should have no problem finding me a hormonal clinic that can cure my gay attraction. I await your recommendation.
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  755.  @stopcensorship7705  I am not denying that hormonal levels can be changed. So I am NOT missing THAT point. The problem is, you can't get to the NEXT logical step: Even if non-immutable hormonal imbalance is the cause of gay attraction, BY DEFINITION choice is not the cause of gay attraction. Don't you get it?
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  756. But not jailed for life, as he wanted.
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  757.  @stopcensorship7705  Maybe so, but you never present evidence or links to the science. Since all this is a bit over your head I wouldn't expect you're up to the task. But you never know. Surprise me.
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  758.  @stopcensorship7705  "the evidence is clear, your feelings are not up to the task of being presented facts." Awkward sentence structure. Please rewrite.
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  759.  @stopcensorship7705  Still kind of awkward writing style. Don't you want to express yourself better?
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  760.  @stopcensorship7705  "cope with awkwardness groomer." Oh, I have no problem with it. I was just trying to help you.
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  761. Why is it so important to hate gays?
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  762.  @مصعب-خ8ه  I hate to break it to you, but homosexuality is not necessarily a behavior. For example, do you think gay women behave the way gay men do? Or do women simply not count in your moral calculus ?
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  763. Grownups have better things to do than obsess over who sleeps with whom.
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  764. Hatred garners much respect throughout the world.
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  765.  StopCensorship4---2.0  "Groomers mad." Well that must mean you are mad. After all you are the only one who's a proven groomer.
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  766. That gays could destroy the world is BS in its most potent form. And you probably believe it too.
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  767. What would you do if you had gay attraction?
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  768. If his people are lucky enough to not end up in one of the body bags of his security forces.
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  769. Not only that, he is.
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  770. Science to you means the complete and total refusal to cite science papers. That's been your record in these parts.
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  771.  @gaming4life788  He's in love with intolerance. That's what makes him tick.
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  772.  @stopcensorship7705  I'm wondering if you can help. Since you believe gay attraction is chosen, and I'm not sexually attracted to women, despite always wanting to, could you suggest how I might be able to choose this?
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  773.  @stopcensorship7705  Why did God create gay attraction if He is against gay attraction?
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  774.  @theduck1539  What would you do if you were gay?
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  775. @@elisabethstriffler With that I totally agree. Or even an eight year old.
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  776. That's true. They are ignorant about how Youtube attracts the morally depraved like needles to a magnet.
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  777. Maybe in Uganda and other hateful places. But not in most of the West.
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  778. Yes, Museveni is a highly disordered individual. Of that there can be no doubt.
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  779.  @raindoset5408  What about it? Is it supposed to be a revelation that crime is a worldwide phenomenon?
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  780.  @stopcensorship7705  Test time. Here's a quote from Medline Plus on being left handed: "more recent studies suggest that multiple genes, perhaps up to 40, contribute to this trait." If you know how to do science, please provide a scientific refutation of the above statement.
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  781.  @stopcensorship7705  I don't have the names of all 40+, but the following are among the most frequently listed (in my searches so far) that have been identified in studies on handedness: ANKS1B BCR BUB3 CRHR1 LINC00648 MAP2, NDRG1 NME7 TUBB, TUBA1B, TUBB3, TUBB4A TTC28 Two very thorough studies are titled "Genome-wide association study identifies 48 common genetic variants associated with handedness" and "Handedness and its genetic influences are associated with structural asymmetries of the cerebral cortex in 31,864 individuals" So I welcome your powers of scientific research to prove that the above claims are impossible. Go for it.
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  782.  @stopcensorship7705  "Genes associated with handedness include LRRTM1 (Francks et al., 2007), PCSK6 (Scerri et al., 2011; Arning et al., 2013; Brandler et al., 2013; Robinson et al., 2016), AR (Medland et al., 2005; Hampson and Sankar, 2012; Arning et al., 2015), COMT (Savitz et al., 2007), APOE (Bloss et al., 2010; but see Hubacek et al., 2013; Piper et al., 2013), and SETDB2 (Ocklenburg et al., 2015a). " Is the above quote refutable? Yes or no please.
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  783.  @stopcensorship7705  I never said there was such a relationship. Nice try. While you're at it, I'm still waiting for that scientific study proving that biology has nothing to do with gay attraction. Cite me a peer review scientific study that conclusively proves it. Go for it Big Guy.
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  784. Do you respect him for slaughtering peaceful protesters, for being the worst mass killer in the country's history, for allowing torture to continue, for his fraudulent elections?
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  785. That's right, do not interfere with Museveni's engine of violence, torture and mass murder, and sham elections. Let the worst mass murderer in the country's history keep on killing. None of our business.
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  786. Based on what?
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  787. and corrupt
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  788. That's a non-sequitur if there ever was one. Did you not study logic? Or only how to shout with caps?
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  789.  @arassalehi4321  What evil am I backing?
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  790.  @stopcensoring.7959  What would you do if you had gay attraction your whole adult life but never straight attraction. Would that have changed your life in any significant way?
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  791.  @stopcensoring.7959  Gay attraction isn't a lifestyle. Nice try.
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  792. With a PhD in bedroom management he's hard not to love. Especially for those with a PhD in Snoopolgy.
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  793. And don't forget murderous. He is after all Uganda's leading butcher.
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  794. I think the reason is that it's gays, not straights, who have suffered the brunt of abuse in regard to this issue. Also, the hostility in these comments towards gay folks sounds more melodramatic to me then what gay people say here. Why can't we all just leave gays alone and mind our own business. There are more important things in the world to complain about. Is that too much to ask?
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  795.  @tbphillips9649  People have a right to talk about whatever the F they want on an American created forum. You should be grateful YouTube is mostly unmoderated, as this forum would not have much of a chance were it moderated. Who says what here is not for you or Africa, or for Uganda's most notorious butcher to decide. You cannot invoke the principle "respect, " when you yourself not only have no respect for gays, but for your own country, effectively making yourself president for life through constant election fraud and corruption. Are those African values? To judge from the record, it may well be.
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  796. What is it that fascinates you with gays? Life is tragically short. Why waste it obsessing over gays?
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  797. If you subscribe to intolerance and moral crimes, such as locking up nonviolent people for life, then he's your man: partners in depravity.
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  798. His views are just as twisted: that gays could wipe out the human race? Inflammatory, hate rhetoric like that is unbecoming of any serious person. And you probably believe it. Right?
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  799. Uganda does speak. They rank themselves among the lowest on all the misery indices scales and polls worldwide. Is it any wonder.
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  800. Snoopzilla par excellent.
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  801.  @Crimsonstorm14  The problem is, you're the sinner here.
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  802.  @Crimsonstorm14  God never revealed himself to anyone. The problem is you don't understand the nature of evidence, and have low standards of testing reality. If God were real, there would be no atrocities, no holocaust, no Indian Ocean Tsunami. Certainly that is not the work of a loving God.
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  803.  @Crimsonstorm14  That's a much more modest answer I am used to. But on the other hand, why is it so hard to just do the rational thing, and reject any notion of a biblical God who loves us? cheers
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  804.  @Crimsonstorm14  This is just what I mean about the nature of evidence. In a court of law, you would not be able to call forth 500 witnesses. This is known as hearsay ("information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate") In fact there were only 4 or at most 5 people who gave any written testimony of the resurrection and who were not even living at the time. Now ask any Muslim, and they will also tell you to check the record, and then they will say Jesus did not die on the cross. And like yourself, they will call themselves scholars and insist their version of events is the only true one/s. This is what every faith believes. Change the names and faces and you get the same assumption of absolute truth. Have you researched all the claims of Islam, and indeed of the hundreds of Gods under current worship?
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  805.  @Crimsonstorm14  "why believing in God/creator is irrational for you?" I am not saying it's irrational to speculate on the possibility of god in the broadest sense. It's just that the alleged Christian God seems to me too much of a stretch of credulity. Some examples -He loves us. So why did he kill us off in a flood? An act of love or hate? -As to evil existing because man has free will, why didn't God use his powers of omniscience to foresee who would misuse their free well, and leave them out of his creation? -I see no evidence that Christians behave more morally than anyone else. -If misery and great suffering are inescapable, then why create the world? -If he wanted his words to be known, why did he choose a few desert countries to make his presence known, and nowhere else? -His rather extravagantly gratuitous punishments for ordinary sin. -We deserve our suffering. If this is supposed to be God's marketing strategy, no wonder so many people reject Him.
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  806. You're living in a dream world if you think that. Uganda's most dishonest leader: fraud elections, rampant torture, and one of Uganda's most notorious butchers. Truthful, he says.
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  807. By the standards of the most brutal dictators in Africa, perhaps.
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  808. You are both sociopaths, indifferent to the suffering of others.
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  809.  @مصعب-خ8ه  I mean the suffering that results from hate.
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  810. There are more important things to life than being a snoop.
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  811. See, in my country most people have begun to realize that obsessing over what people do in the bedroom is a waste of precious time. Life's short, and do you want to spend it worrying about with whom one sleeps? Or do you want to apply those energies to more serious problems: you name it: poverty, life threatening disease, sex trafficking, global warming. The gay thing is an obsession with people consumed more about what offends them, than about making the world a better place.
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  812.  @amybronjames  I like the fact you take on all these sad characters. But why not say something a little more substantive than these bizarre attempts at humor that no one is getting but you?
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  813.  @amybronjames  QED
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  814. Do you respect the West's values?
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  815. @Daniel Lawson Then why should we respect their values? That's known as a double standard.
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  816. Disgusting is one thing. Signing off on life in prison is the act of a backwards person, and a depraved mind.
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  817. Are you of such moral disgrace that you have to choose mass murderer lunatics to be your spokesmen?
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  818.  @stopcensorship7705  You are a sociopath, indifferent to the suffering of others.
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  819.  @stopcensorship7705  So let's test your scientific literacy: "Fraternal birth order has been correlated with male sexual orientation, with a significant volume of research finding that the more older brothers a male has from the same mother, the greater the probability he will have a homosexual orientation. . . .Scientists have attributed the effect to a prenatal biological mechanism, since the association is only present in men with older biological brothers, and not present among men with older step-brothers and adoptive brothers. The mechanism is thought[citation needed] to be a maternal immune response to male fetuses, whereby antibodies neutralize male Y-proteins thought to play a role in sexual differentiation during development." So here is what we call a clue. There is as of now no proof or disproof of the proposed mechanism mentioned above. If you don't agree, cite the proof please.
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  820.  @stopcensorship7705  Let's start with basics. Do you a proof refuting the the "older brother birth order effect" hypothesis? If you have it, do share.
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  821.  @stopcensorship7705  "proof is not there, there is no gae gene, GWAS" Looks like we have to go back to basics. Let's start here: "A polygenic trait is a characteristic, such as height or skin color, that is influenced by two or more genes." Do you believe polygenic traits are real, or just a figure of the imagination?
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  822. Still can't do science, huh? Tell me the name of the height gene.
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  823. So you love mass murderers Go for it.
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  824.  @stopcensorship7705  Keep singen those butchers' praises. They love it.
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  825.  @Sparxy-k9e  Yes. But this sample seems more skewed to what Africans think. And then they draw in westerners (and others) where such views aren't tolerated where they live. In that sense this video is a hate site, I give Africans a little slack because it seems the culture is so (by our standards) fanatically against gays. They have a very different culture and a different sense of what justice is, so I don't feel comfortable equating it to the "hate" we call it in the West. But maybe I'm totally wrong.
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  826.  @FaySchool  Well this video has become a hate sight. So no surprise there. If CNN had any sense, they would take it down,
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  827.  @koala5054  For you it's not so much hate as a site for toddlers. Like the anal phase of development, fascination with feces. In that, you have a lot in common with gays.
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  828.  @Peep-010  You guys are the haters, not me. Do you have dyslexia perhaps. I love thine enemies.
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  829.  ijumpjudyy  Or auto mechanics.
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  830. Lord of violence.
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  831. Yes, we have no right to but in to your values. But Museveni's sins are far worse than the West's. Uganda's most notorious mass murderer is in no position to lecture the West about values. We but in, he mows down peaceful protesters. We want gay rights, he tortures dissidents. No comparison. Tinpot dictators who run sham elections and celebrate violence should concern all of humanity.
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  832.  @stopcensorship7705  Well you needed to do that anyway.
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  833.  @stopcensorship7705  In any case you seem to be under the delusion that most psychiatrists see homosexuality as a disorder. Whether it is or it isn't, they don't.
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  834.  @stopcensorship7705  I wrote stupidly. I mean in our domestic affairs. Otherwise you are 100% correct.
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  835.  @stopcensorship7705  Do you judge a president only by gay issues? Do you favor life in prison for gays as he did?
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  836. Really? Tell that to the 54 peaceful protesters who were mowed down during the last election.
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  837. At least for the Westerners who post here, it's the perfect excuse to be a bigot. You find a world leader and use that to justify your rage. This is what Youtube is all about: the perfect venue for anonymous mob hate.
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  838. How come? Because gay means b-t sex?
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  839. Sexist president. Gays also include women.
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  840.  @davidandthatotherguy1369  Yes, but he's implying that gays are disgusting because of b - - sex. Gay women presumably do not do that.
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  841.  @stopcensorship7705  "you can't even define what a woman is" Where did you get that crazy idea from.
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  842. And Leviticus also says that a child who curses his parents should be executed. Some God you worship.
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  843.  @stopcensoring.7959  I'm just pointing out God is not perfect. My feelings are your invention.
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  844.  StopCensorship4--1  "James Charles disagrees." Ha. That's like saying you have a disagreement with Einstein..
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  845.  @bottlecap632  Oh, I've known that from the start. It's just comic relief, even though they are bad at comedy as well.
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  846.  @jbbrown1436  Sorry, I thought you were a serious poster for a moment. How silly of me.
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  847.  StopCensorship4---3  They also favor censorship, a quaint irony I think.
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  848.  StopCensorship4---3  "October 14, 2022 A bill signed into law by Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni on 13 October to severely restrict freedom of expression online will be weaponized against critics, including political opponents, and must be immediately reversed, Amnesty International said today. This piece of legislation threatens the right to freedom of expression online, including the right to receive and impart information" As always, you miss the point and also lose the argument big time. What else is new Big Guy. Hey, if you want to keep destroying your credibility, fine with me.
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  849.  StopCensorship4---2.0  Banned by who?
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  850. No facts here, just a cold blooded killer who regularly tortures his own citizens.
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  851. Greatest mass murderer in Uganda's history? You got it.
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  852.  @stopcensorship7705  Long time no, and a hearty welcome back! The Lindy effect told me you would be back sooner or later.
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  853. But more impossible to understand why gays should be jailed for life. One imay be hard to understand. The other is outright violence. Maybe you can't understand that distinction either?
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  854.  @worldofpaisen  OK, I'll have a look sometime this week. Thanks
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  855.  @worldofpaisen  don't waste time with the michael jackson video Got you.
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  856.  @lanzhao5514  What?
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  857.  @lanzhao5514  Oh, I see, I think. What do you think of Underdog Uzumaki's post?
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  858.  @lanzhao5514  So what was the confusion?
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  859.  john cameron  Abortion is very much an issue up for grabs. Neither side has THE definitive argument, IMO. Pro-choice arguments are pretty lame in general. But the pro-life fixation on biology as defining a child has no objective underpinning. That's the part the pro-life position hasn't seriously questioned, IMO. "So just think about ehat you say before you say it ok" I actually think pretty carefully about the things I post. Not sure you've succeeded more than I have in that department, to judge from your recent posts.You've made claims with no real arguments to support them. Anyone can say whatever they want. Like abortion is killing children, or pornography is benign, or homosexuality should be stopped. But really backing these claims takes considerable more effort than either of us has so far expended. If you want an in depth discussion, I'm open to that. But I have a strange feeling you don't.
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  860. Yeah, but he's hardly an honest fellow overall.
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  861. Oh that's way over SC's head. There may not be a gay gene, but there must surely be a snoop gene. SC is proof.
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  862.  @stopcensorship7705  I don't target comments per se. I target manifest stupidity. Like: hormones = choice. That is manifest stupidity. If it isn't, kindly recommend to me hormonal treatments that cures homosexuality. Are you really this logically impaired??
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  863. And in the process we can see his depravity towards his fellow humans.
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  864. Well, that's a vote for the worst dictator in Uganda's history. You know, mowing down peaceful protesters, fraud election, never ending torture.
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  865.  @exKGBagent  I am talking present tense.
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  866.  @exKGBagent  No, if you add up all the deaths, Museveni's toll is greater than both Obote's and Idi Amin's COMBINED.
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  867.  @exKGBagent  I never said my country was not guilty of many instances of oppression. And I never stated, as you did, that any one of them deserved my vote. I almost never vote, but voted for Biden mainly because Trump is something of a tinpot dictator in our own country. I see and acknowledge oppression where it is. I just don't praise mass murderers the way you do.
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  868.  @exKGBagent  "The west has plundered Africa more than these modern day dictators" Yes, by a huge margin. And your point is? The Belgium government, the most brutal of all, did not deserve my vote, nor could I have voted for them because I wasn't born yet. I am speaking in the present tense. Museveni is not a role model, a brutal thug, pure and simple. So why praise him? Who cares what a ruthless killer thinks of gays when he has no respect for human life, period.
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  869.  @exKGBagent  "And who do you think who controls him? Is it the General Public there? No. Is it the Military? No,..." So why does he deserve your vote?
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  870.  @exKGBagent  We can argue this back and forth, who is more oppressive. My main point is, why does a brutal thug, who tortures his opposition, and kills, deserve your vote? It sounds as if you think gays are more dangerous than brutal killers.
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  871.  @exKGBagent  "Well who priased for mass murders?" By saying he deserves your vote, implies tacit approval of his policies.
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  872.  @exKGBagent  I'm fine with people not approving of gays. But do you agree it's wrong to sentence them to life in prison, which has been in at least one proposed bill in the last ten years?
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  873. An honest butcher.
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  874.  @ashokadhshd3438  What's hilarious is you think I care about him at all.
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  875.  StopCensorship4--1  I learned it from you, OK?
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  876.  StopCensorship4--1  And you need to brush up on logical syntax.. Gay, whether biology or upbringing, is not consciously chosen, at least by most people. Yet you keep making this faulty connection. That something is not inborn does not of necessity render it a conscious choice. I have already given you a proof that your facts cannot deal with the self-loathing gay. That alone completely refutes your thesis.
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  877.  StopCensorship4--1  Now you're catching on. My above argument has nothing to do with genetics. It has to do with the logical fallacy that if it's not genetics, it must be choice. This shows again you cannot process basic logic. And as I repeat, your thesis of choice is at a total loss to explain the gay reparative therapy industry. As any three your old could tell you, if gay were a choice, there would be no need for such therapy, and no gay person would purchase it. Case closed.
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  878.  StopCensorship4--1  That's right, you don't get basic logic. Almost every post of yours reconfirms this again and again. For example, the very statement equating gay people to groomers is not only illogical, it's a downright lie. But that's OK because we all have our faults.
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  879.  StopCensorship4--1  Why do you want to waste away your life on homosexuals? Every time I return from a few months hiatus, you are always back at it again. Very sad.
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  880. It's a pity you choose the most notorious mass murderer in the country's history to be your spokesman. You can't think of anyone more decent? As long as they dislike gays, it doesn't matter how reprehensible they are.
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  881. And God is mankind's creation. How else to explain God's wrath, Leviticus, the nonstop warfare of his alleged creation, thugs like Museveni, and endless suffering, all supposedly deserved. That's mankind all right. No God in His right mind would create such a monstrosity. Or blame it all on us. PS Homosexual behavior has been observed throughout the animal world. Get educated.
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  882.  @stopcensorship7705  Your science is junk.
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  883. Only if they respect ours (US), which is doubtful from what I see in the comments.
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  884.  @stopcensorship7705  Dear Stop, I still need your help. I'm trying to figure out how to choose heterosexual attraction. I've been trying for years. Should I watch more porn featuring naked ladies? Should I join a reparative gay therapy class? You know, the ones that all have outrageously bad results, where the ministers have recanted by the droves? I await your suggestions.
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  885.  @stopcensorship7705  Still awaiting your peer review scientific citation conclusively proving gay attraction has no biological component. The longer you delay, the more it says to the viewer you have no such proof.
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  886.  @stopcensorship7705  If you think you know so much, kindly tell us which year the proof came in.
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  887. The media have little respect for anything except making money. But the headline is otherwise appropriate. That was indeed the focal point of the conversation.
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  888. For a mass murdering megalomaniacal tin pot dictator running up Uganda's largest body count, perhaps.
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  889. Not even God is perfect. He thought that a cursing child should be executed. Not only that, He is said to have changed his mind after having stated those words in Leviticus. Either way, that's imperfection.
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  890. Forget racism. Museveni stands for whole sale slaughter and torture, the worst mass murderer in the country's history. Who cares what some two bit tinpot dictator finds disgusting.
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  891.  @stopcensorship7705  There is no lefty gene.
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  892.  Doctor Jr.  "Every race agree" Hah. Not in the West. You're living in a world of make believe. What's sick is giving any platform for a mass murderer. But you aren't going to call Museveni a sick weirdo, right?
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  893. Yes, you can add that to his catalogue of atrocity.
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  894. Just as Musevini is indeed murderous. In fact, the biggest mass killer in the nation's history.
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  895.  RichLoves FNAF  I didn't say all of them. But many are. Lets start with "who do disgusting crap in public." What % of gay people do disgusting things in public?
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  896.  Ñ  Just as Ugandans can't stop crying about gays. Get over it and get on with your lives. Obsession with bedroom habits is not a sign of maturity.
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  897. There's no right or wrong here. It's your opinion versus someone else's opinion.
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  898. I guess they didn't teach you the difference between facts and beliefs.
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  899. They must be in a constant state of misery knowing gay people exist.
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