Comments by "May L" (@MeiinUK) on "Asianometry"
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@jamesnordhoff5386 : Hakka people are not Bai Yue DNA descendents people. They come from the North ? And why this is "war" is because they belong to another Imperial Dynasty or family. Whereas the South, had an actual established structure and Imperial Clan tree. So this is why, this video reflects that as well ??? Google on Zhou Tou.... Some people accept that, cos if they studied science, then they would believe it. Some people who doesn't and assume that, the "current 2023 data that they are looking at, reflects history".... (Some people are also mixed race now in HK, because of the British. They allowed some Jews traders and Armenians to settle into HK, and hence, their European DNA existed and spread across the entire areas. The gentleman who posted his family tree online stated this as much. And today, why so many Indonesians speakers English so well as well ? I bet that, they are those disporas who were educated under an English speaking system, but doesn't know or accept if they are part of the Bai Yue or not.) .... Those people tend to call themselves "Asians" and they refer "Anything else, is classed as Chinese".... whereas I know the differences between hakka, Fuijianese, and Cantonese etc etc etc.... Cos I was raised under such environments both in HK during my mother's generation, as well as now in the UK... People who migrated into the UK in those earlier years would speak either Hakka or Cantonese. With 20 years of experiences, why wouldn't one know this ????....
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@gamevalor : When many people call themselves "Hans" or the "Yellow river people", they mean that they are the literal and actual descendent of a specific set of people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpC1P6me5Ko&t=302s
Just like, in the UK, people call themselves English, or Scottish.. it is because they know EXACTLY... every single generation, if not, then they know the rough estimate.. and things like that. The only reason why so many people do not know their own heritages IS because of the past wars.. But most people DO know it, and in fact, this century, they try to reconnect back as well. Why do you think that there are so many ancestries databases, and even a lot of post war period... so many countries accept and do not accept certain people back to their own family trees? (I think you are confused about the genuine "democracies".. like in the UK, whereby.. some of the ethnic minorities that look like they are indeed ethnic minorities.. but in fact, their literal family tree can be traced back to a King or a Queen of the UK.. or Europe.... )
What science says is not the same as what a group or a country decides. That North and South Hans thing was indeed quite regular... That of course is possibly due to the way that the region was governed then. i.e. WHOSE land belongs to WHO. That is why, since all lands were designated.. why should it be ruined by random people coming and going ?? Communism ruined things... basically... If your ancestor as gifted the land and you have farmed those lands and built on it, then it is your family ancestral land. It does not change. The government is only an administrative party. It still belongs to you. So sometimes when I see people say random things. They need to trace back the history... cos it does not stand.
I got it. I found out why there was a "Northern Hans" DNA and a "Southern Hans" DNA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_and_Southern_dynasties
Around 400-600 AD, the entire region was split up.
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There should not have been a Tencents at all. You can't have both Tencents, as well as Alibaba listed. Either/or. What should've happened then, is really to have a Tecents IN HK. Which means that creative industry, like animation, platform computing, distributed computing. Which links in with finances. And there are links that links with HK to other countries and cities as well. So why is this overlooked? When Li Ka Shing was peeved off.. he was not wrong. Cos his son created that so called smart alec telecom company, that kind of ruined things. Cos it disrupted the politics. And now, where is it ? Ruined that dynamic, and disturbed their competitors... and this is why they were basically squashed asap. No thanks to his move. How can a father and a son, both open companies to compete with one another? Alibaba created TWO data centers in the United States.. and they cannot even deal with their accountings. Why ? Why not file ??? Why doesn't such data centres exist in HK ? Why play landlord games ??? And now Shenzen is talking about a "metaverse" with Singapore... so now Singapore is going to privot and steal that limelight once again for HK ? If I was HK SAR government, I would invite the CEOs, or the representatives of HSBCs... for a cup of tea, and for a questioning in their Legco sessions !!! And basically broadcasts this everywhere ! That is what they SHOULD'VE gone.... And make sure that ALL your local television companies have the rights to broadcast that as well. Cos that is so not on ? I don't even know why they hired an actual Brazilian CEO for their exchange ??? I'm sorry..... I mean. Don't these people watch the news ? Or are they too confused to know which way to turn or to run ????....
I thought that HK is going to go into healthcare.... or are they deliberately going to miss that boat too ?
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@cloud-w2v : "Mandarin" and "putonghua" is basically "min nam", or the earlier version of it was. It was the subsequent versions and erosion and this "new" language, created by the officials... with coercion from outsider influences, like Westerners, indirectly forced this "fake language" to be created, in order to do what... To teach foreigners a kind of standard "foreign chinese language"... And it is what it has become today. Cos in Taiwan, they do not call it "mandarin". And in those earlier days in HK, nobody calls it "mandarin". Chiu chow hua, is not classed as mandarin, and nor is min nam hua, classed as mandarin either. And even "hakka" was not an actual language per se. It was a weitou wah, or tanka people, calling others this name.. and then clever clogs' Western scholars tried to standardise and marginalise, and pitch people into groupings. So this ended up as such.... And because nobody protested and disputed in those earlier days, or stated obviously... This is whereby you let those kind of published materials to become what it is today. Some kind of weird standard.
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@leezhieng : Well.. that isn't what happened in the end isn't it ? And this is what became actuality and reality as well. The same now with HK, it is lost as well. Somewhat, and often. I was watching this video... and this is now a "thai lady" talking about "chinese history".... and rewriting history is how I see it as. And the website seems to be from the USA as well. Joined 23 Mar 2020 ---- United States ---- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLpeL64dwCQ
I wish I went back to HK when I was asked to by my mother and my father. I didn't do that, that is my downfall in all honesty. And now the invasion... and absolute invasion from SE Asian disporas as well. And she basically are saying that, people in Thailand are basically "hakka chinese" (like, it is a race of people?)..... And she also mentioned that house in HK... with the Li family, and the migration path.... lol.. 1) You could see that the building is actually newly decorated, or at least partially renovated... 2) She isn't even using jyutping (cantonese translation), she is using some kind of oddball system. My grandmother was a Li... and the same as Li Ka Shing was a Li.... and even if Li Ka Shing was indeed from Shantou, which he continually funded. (Which so many of us in the oversea's dispora hated. I wish I didn't use the Three network.) But at least his company coughed back up the money, cos they managed Lady Di's family money, Hutchinson's. --- I know many women married into the British Army, cos they defended the hakkas like him.... So the lady's info is wrong. The thing is, so many Brits now falls under those spells of..."this is what HK is about"... Frankly, those married away and out, is gone, but the Cantonese should remain, but she is now claiming heritages to the location as well !!!!
How is that boundary from Sun On, stretched as far as actual Shenzen.. and the label of Bo'an.. is also a bit of a misnomer as well. So this is rewriting history ?? And that listing as well about the different families that were there, and what surname it was etc.
Sure... SE Asians.. and mixed-race "Asians" now dominates the entire political spectrums. And this is why now in the Russian Ukrainian wars... so many people in HK doesn't give a damn about. Actually, they should.. cos it was the Jewish people that landed into HK and was shielded from harm, and their money or Catholic money went to the churches that raised and protected the Cantonese from destitutes as well... And now, it should not be the hakka that takes advantages at all.. or for PRC politicians to stand by and do nothing.
Well... this man's version of events, is a bit different too. A british guy who end up seeing his daughter marries a local cantonese guy. So that ended that family tree then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEAvM9POTsY&t=9s
No Cantonese in Canton ? Really ? So who was Civil Servant Lin ???? I have actually never heard of that surname before, but I know somebody of that surname now went to Oxbridge. So there were "no people in HK cos it was just a fishing village" ? If so, then who was this Mandarin Lin then ??? From which unit was he from then ??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk6gfAtwZ7Q&list=PLK7qCnafFFJbWojxFTmN7kmE1RJBD6JbJ&index=25&t=1507s
It should never have happened at all. It never should....
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@karthur3421 : When people say "Tribes", they really mean, the kind that was not part of the Imperial system. They were literally naked nomadic, flesh eating people. That is what they mean by "tribes". And they STILL... and they DO exists !!!!!..... (And why we have a lot of genetic issues in SE Asia.. IS because... some pratts... had sex with such people. If you search on National Geographics.. and searched on their info... and those colonial days.... You will find out what the researches are, and had been about. When the creation of the UN existed. This was flipped open for everybody to see. That is removing, even the 1st and 2nd world war issues as well.)
Today, India, protects those tribal people. And the Amazonian are protected too. I don't know, if this was decided in the past, or if they have been moved, or whatever.. but if you looked at those old relics, then you would begin to realise that IS so, and WAS so. If you looked at the pyramids globally... you can find old bones, with DNAs.. that matches quite 1 to 1 ratio.. to a few individuals from tribes. And if you checked the DNAs or modern people, their DNAs, should match it against some people of the past 3 to 4 generation only. All the way up to around 1800s only. They are super distinct and separate. They don't connect.
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@jovimathews : I don't think she knows or gets what and why... She may be right about the books.. but.. how we can piece together, is because the "Writing on cave walls" existed. So we know. Also.. we also know that..."DNA" also do not lie. So this is how we know. Plus, the science aspect can rebuild a set of facts. Of course, this removes the emotions and the rationales to the story. Maybe this is why she doesn't seem to think that this is true. And in terms of Hans DNA... why Southern and Norther Hans DNA existed...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpC1P6me5Ko&t=302s
It is because, there was a Northern and Southern division going on. And that resulted in those people's DNA being as such.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_and_Southern_dynasties
Science can rebuild back the history.... but of course.. it does not give it contexts. That link, states... You are classified as a "Southern Hans".... because.. YOUR DNA.. is also linked back to Qing Emperor as well. This is a fact. And of course, he possibly gifted his "army" which are most likely to be his sons or descendents.. Kind of like.."Go away from the palace now and have your own house and land", kind of thing. To call them Army or Military leaders, is somewhat odd. But.. He was the Yellow Emperor, and that was indeed his name. I love how so many people here.. just assume this kind of decentralised titles.. lol... I don't think she understands why some scientific papers refer to "southern Hans". Well.. that link shows it exactly why. The exact percentages and then the comparisons of why. Mostly at least 70% O3. For both North and South. It is almost exactly, which is surprising.. except for the tiny yellow.. I don't know what DNA that is. It is funny how it does reflect the history as well. Most odd.. but believable.
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Why should the HKUST have a MTR station to service it ? You are already getting to location point to point under 30 minutes. And that is NOT good enough ? Have you gone crazy ? A lot of people across the globe.. travel like around a mega whopping.. 1 hr to work. Or even in the USA, they FLY into work !!! Commuting time to be around like 15 minutes is GOOD enough already ! STOP polluting HK !!! What I want to see in HK, is the pollution to be cleaned up ? And I want to see a lot of the floated companies like cleaning companies, both manufacturing, and cleaning or servicing, to be floated on the stock exchange. I don't get why people don't see such companies as valuable... cos other countries have it. So why doesn't HK ? Their contract values are into the millions... What if there is a servicing companies that cleans all the office blocks ? Even in the USA, their NYC offices have commercial companies cleaning their windows and everything. THAT is a job. And THAT company should float on the exchange ! I don't even understand what people don't get ???
What kind of companies do I expect to see in HK's exchange ?
1 - cleaning companies.
2 - printing companies, books.
3 - education companies... which includes translation softwares, even for indigenous languages... that can be installed into various OS, and platforms and whatnots... (and we are NOT talking about just "traditional or simplified"....!!! I mean weitou, or even "-隆都話". (Long Doh)
https:// www.youtube.com/ watch?v=DxQAT8ICZeQ&list=PLK7qCnafFFJZNBnebQCwnKH7rSOJ9S-Jk&index=7&t=20s
Or to even create softwares that can convert translations.. or something. There is a LOT of companies that can exist and it SHOULD float....
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You also need to remember that, the English alphabet romanisation of the chinese language of "punti" 本地 and "hakka".... 客家.... So why would the chinese character "客" (guest) be used here ? If the individual is a foreigner to that specific areas? If you watch the old actual movies about imperial times, then you would know that, some cities were gated, and they were closed off, to outsiders. That is appropiate, and it tries to follow Imperial Laws. All laws are applied to the people living inside the city itself. And anybody else is a foreigner. A migrant to the area, and the region. It had always been this way.... So why are people acting like, "because you have the internet, everything can be yours, even if it is owned by somebody else" ??? Why are people fighting to this extreme ???
The words "Punti" and "Hakka"... were the Westerners trying to put some kind of orders, and understanding, in order to do trades. This is why, you would find old documents, with such words in them... Cos to try to "smooth" the feelings after the second world war, this is what took place.
Well.. cos you invaded those people, and those people ran off... Well.. this is possibly, why now.. the "national security laws" were enacted in HK as well.... Cos surely, some people are allowed to live on their own land, and their own turfs, right ? Even the house that I live in here in the UK.. (and I class myself as a "punti".. is owned by a Lord.).... and in a way, I am only "renting" the space.. as I live.. and I pay my taxes etc. This is why I need to earn money, to keep living. So when does.. the calm.. will happen for China ? When ?
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Er... it does not have to be that way, your assumption is that, Japan and South Korea cannot do closed-off R&D... but Samsung have been "innovating" off the back of the World Bank's money for like a good 10 to 20 years... "closed off education", let's call it... and then they created and internalised ALL their products without releasing it to the world yet. And when they do release it, it did not conflicted with other companies, or countries. Cos they plotted the path... So you tell me.. why should one looks retrospectively ? You can look forward as well. And why does and must HK always use American business text books, when it is an Imperial China model ? Confucianism etc? Unless you want to bring back concubine system... and have that tribal thing, ALL over again ???? One man, many wives. Many children. Farm the same land. Siblings intermarry one another. Now, THAT is genuine communism. In fact, apparently, the army still does this as well ! Although you do not see this, but even Japan stops their own kids from bonking with their own kids. Now that is civilisation !!!! Do we need a mega whopping DNA family ID system in order to stop people targetting one another here ??? Oligarch or no oligarch... Really. No wonder my mother is always always always so angry and she definitely have words to say !
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@ArawnOfAnnwn : HK doesn't have the right skilled people to make it work, that is why it is stuck... I mean, even in South Korea.. when they cannot agree things politically, they take on the private route. For example, even Samsung has an actual army. Did you know that? I think some YT video stated that already. So what the states cannot provide, then it is down to corporation to provide. The people that were let into HK.. I don't know if they were once upon a time, imperial chinese.. from the Canton region.. or whether.. I don't even know that if they are keen to build themselves up. I don't see why there should not be things like an actual software for niche languages or indigenous languages for example. And those can be patented, and filed as part of educational software, for example. The problem with HK.. is not the lack of ideas.. it is the lack of agreement to do things... That is what is lacking. As some people say, if you throw money into the job.. to do it.. then surely... people will do that job ? It is not hard to make a software that translated the indigenous languages, for example.
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You don't know this, but some of the people that is living in those public housing, should have no rights to live on it, actually.... There is a lot of overlap between the "days that the British colony period" versus the "days that HK was part of the Song dynasty, and not the Qing dynasty's decisions"... Under British rule, the government did protected some of the Song dynasty's people too. Away from Qing government's (badly dealt) decisions... and when those people were forced to move away because of potential chaos... Afterwards, the robbers came and robbed the locals of their lands, and then the infighting happened. And THAT is why... this continuous fight still continues.. And by right.. IF... there was no British intervention.. by right.. some of the people who are the "elites of HK today".. were the descendents of those robbers. I bet you did not know that, did you ? So.. now... Which side, do you think the argument should be swayed ???? Europe doesn't want to lose its soveignties, but do you think that HK should loses its original imperial families ? Or what was the remaining of.
There is a lot of reasons why Taiwan, or even Japan is thinking of an actual war... I mean... like really really...
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@dewittbourchier7169 : I think whoever originally did the english translation, the romanisation from the chinese, whether it was from the cantonese dialect or the fuijian dialect... they literally did just that. But the English writer, must have assumed that the "hakka" and the "punti" were a formal noun, as in a race or something to that effect. But in reality, it just means "migrant" (to this location) and "local". Why they wrote it that way ? Because during the Song dynasties... the Hans Chinese moved downwards to escape from being killed and being taken during warring days.. They went down as far as HK as well. There was a famous stone, with the signs edged onto the stone, with gold powder (yes, classic chinese would use gold. grind it down.. into power form.. and then liquid it and paint it onto wood or onto stones).... They painted the stone to denote "The Emperor's Platform". So their descendents would know that was where he was. In actual fact... they were there.. and in the end, because of marginalisation.. and further fights.. his civil servants killed all their own families... and including the emperor... to stop themselves from being captured. This is an honorable thing to do.
This is why, when the Punti - Hakka thing kicked off... the Hakkas were basically Northerners.. and further forced to move further South.. by the then ruling Qing dynasty. i.e. Mongolians. The Hakkas could potentially be from the Jin dynasties.. they were the koreans. Yes, those were the races..... (Chinese, Koreans, Mongolians).... Today, the people whom the post second world war people call them as...."chinese".. but they are not actually. They are most likely to be mongolians. Or mixed-race mongolians... with a bit of koreans or chinese, or even turks... etc etc. (Not including the modern day history of the Europeans entering the trade part...e.g. Armenians. Indians. Persians. Scots. Portugese. Germans. Dutch. ... English. Jews... etc etc etc.)
(Oh, also do not forget the other "SE asian trade routes"... which covered the.... inter-mix of the Indonesians.. Malays.... and those tribes as well.)
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@destinilund4771 : I think what you will find is that, those Singapore students were already "stealing"... even when I was at uni, this was already happening. Students were plagerising, and the rise of the internet was happening. Did you really thought that those inside China were "skilled" and "educated" ? Who connected the internet back then ? Which undersea cable was installed back then ? Don't be naive... and now, China is ready to build military equipments backwards to attack other countries. Good going ! And you can thank Germany for supporting them in doing this move. Why was Taiwan moved there? As someone who is of chinese descent.. I think I would say that Taiwan was definitely a political move. And Singapore had their greedy elites that wanted to sit in power inside the PRC already. And why would they not???
I went to Manchester, and there was a lot of actual research back then as well. We were into cryptography, and also models for "robot to build robots" at that time... Well, that is how China took over in the end, wasn't it ? Well, the rest is history now....
Germany has never really left China... even post second world war. So... Siemens had an office in Manchester, and I think it was the NHS who had to hold its hand really.. to give them jobs and sales !!! So yes... who paid for whose stability here? So it is no wonder that we did not actually joined the euro. And now brexit is a reality. Well...
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