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Comments by "Cary Black" (@caryblack5985) on "Göring promises airlift as 6th Army surrounded | BATTLESTORM STALINGRAD E38" video.
Arrogance and the continued belief that the "Soviets are finished" helped to defeat them.
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@livingtribunal4110 I am not saying you need Glantz but I do not think we should discourage anybody who wants the in depth information to seek it out. Each person is different and has different needs. Few will buy the 5 books on Stalingrad that Glantz published. I just reacted to what I saw as either discouraging or disparaging Glantz's vital research.
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They also had insufficient transport planes and the weather was against them. Also the Soviet air force was gaining in strength.
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No they were behind because of unexpected resistance. They did underestimate the number of troops they encircled.
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Too weak
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See the following https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavalry_corps_(Soviet_Union) and this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavalry_division_(Soviet_Union)
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It was the Germans who could not sustain their logistics. The Soviets are doing very well.
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Before the war yes during the war no.
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Lots of TIKs series is based on the information found in Glantz. Everything that TIK uses comes from books mostly from Glantz. He is not psychic.
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@livingtribunal4110 Glantz's stats are not meaningless. It is easier to follow TIK but but TIK is careful to show where his info comes from. People should be encouraged to go to the most complete and primary sources. Not everyone will do so but being able to check up on what is said is important.
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Yes Paulus did push for a breakout. Hausser is different as he disobeyed the order no retreat and decided to breakout.
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Not if the encircled troops are out of ammunition and food. The men on the ground have to be able to put up a strong resistance.
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@huiyinghong3073 Yes they should have done that weeks before the Soviet counterattack.
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Your name says it all
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Cary Black The OKH in charge of the the Eastern Front had many failings in regards to planning, intelligence and operations. Like many absolute dictators there were always some who would tell him what he wanted to hear for favors or survival. This does not take away from his various misjudgments and mistaken notions of warfare. There was plenty of blame to go around and it is always easy to blame the dead for all the mistakes. I don't follow the notion that it was all Hitler's fault but I don't also follow the idea that the German generals made no mistakes. It does not have to be an either or situation.
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There is no comparison but war crimes are despicable no matter who carries it out.
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@heretoforeunknown I understand the difference but we cannot let war crimes be ignored. I am not saying that there is an equivalence in fact i agree with the second part of yout statement however war crimes are unacceptable by whoever does it.
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Here is info https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavalry_division_(Soviet_Union)
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They were not good guys in any way.
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Agree. The airlift was only to keep the 6th Amy going until they could be relieved by Manstein and that would only work for limited amount of time.
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With so may contradictory stories and opinions with no documents and much of accounts given after the war and Jeschonnek had committed suicide it is really in the realm of speculation. TIKs explanations a good one but does not rule out some other interpretation. Some things just cannot be pinned down. One of the problems is we don't have a time period. Were they envisioning an airlift of days weeks or months. Did some envision a breakout after a week? Did they think Manstein's attempt at a rescue would take less than a month? Since we are not given this information it is difficult to arrive at an answer. We can say a long term, more than a couple or several weeks will fail given the situation in the Luftwaffe. Perhaps all these men had different ideas of how long the airlift would have to last.
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@nextbest First the Germans were wasting thousands of troops in N. Africa and Tunisia during this period and sent many transport planes out there. Second it takes several weeks to get divisions from France to Stalingrad given the distance and difficulty with rail traffic as seen by how difficult it was to supply the 6th Armay.
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I assume you are talking about the troops in Courland in 1944. They were bottled up as far as land was concerned. Some were evacuated by sea, the rest stayed there.
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