Comments by "ootmaster1" (@ootmaster1) on "Rutland Vermont Rises Against Critical Race Theory, Gets Ridiculed by Vermont Digger Lolberals" video.
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@GodOfOrphans
"We're not trying to convince the cultists we're trying to convince the unenlightened masses,"
and then the next breath
" but the audience on the other hand might stumble onto it and see the leftist making an ass of themselves and be convinced"
and yet we have people like vaush, and the rest of breadtube
Spoiler, a vast majority of the human population are at NPC levels of awareness. and you are wasting your time with them
" but if they have some kind of Pavlovian trigger they're gonna immediately tune out whoever activated it"
yes, and we cant talk about the subject that is verboten because thats the important topic to discuss. again, ignoring the elephant in the room. pretending that this is just a cult, and the end result of a massive conspiracy unfolding since the beginning of world war 1, is just not going to matter
"will basically need to be exterminated eventually, but we can't do that if the masses still don't recognize them as an evil threat! "
you cant assess a threat if you cant talk about certain topics with the general masses. you will spend years and years trying desperately in vain to convince people, while those in power continue to march forward into the mayocide
"you keep strawmanning me into positions I don't actually hold because you're that desperate for a fight I guess"
its not strawmanning, its technically argumentum ad absurdum, but its to prove a point that you cant see, and continue to think im just being argumentative. Im not trying to " argue" im just trying to articulate that your mode of operation is just like the last few decades of " conservatism" which conserve nothing but create act like a hand brake half assedly engaged while leftism continues leftward...
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@GodOfOrphans
"There are too many self hating Ws for you to have the numbers needed to win if you organize along ethnic lines"
uh no, we would be fine thanks, just need to get the government to stop fcking everything up
If there's any irony to be found it's in the fact that we've reached that point at all not in my statement itself, but of course you're a nuance blind imbecile, that's why I have to restate things like this repeatedly because you're clearly a special needs adult."
So doubling down on adhoms now? cmon man im at least trying in good faith here....
"Trump did one thing better than anyone who came before and that's he blew the lid off of just how far gone and entrenched everything is, how many people would recognize the uniparty as a thing if it weren't for him, how many more people would still blindly follow the media if they didn't collectively lose their minds over him"
Lose their minds? it was a scripted reality show. Everyone involved made out like bandits...
and now those same people are qanon followers, and think god emperor is going to save them. a false empty hope given to them by a democrat who switched D to R and ran on the blandest, milquetoast of rightward opinions, adn did nothing for W people, and everything to show how wonderful he was to non whites... this did nothing, and was pressure relief valve for the growing discontent. he was never meant to do anything, and the people who are just now finding out about the uniparty are so low IQ and indoctrinated it doesnt matter... anyone who hasnt figure out the uniparty and the globalists schemes in 2020 has CLEARLY done ZERO work at understanding the cause of events that are leading us to our inevitable conclusion of repeating history very violently . Maybe it can be avoided, but not if people keep pretending its ok, and that itll work out without a major conflict of some kind...
"The fact that people are discussing your point of view with any degree of openness today is directly due to how much Trump shattered the mask"
absolutly laughable. he did a great job though, look how much influence he has over your opinions on the matter. The people you talk about are the midnless followers. the NPCs of the horde
"made the masses question things again"
Epstiens "suicide" did more do make people question things than ANYTHING trump did... at all..
"even those among us who hate him have been red pilled by how crazy the establishment went over him, pulling out all the stops up to and cheating to try and get rid of him and they're still scared shitless of him"
you clearly dont grasp anything in the political sphere do you? the people who dont like trump dont care about the truth, they care bout them being right or their team winning. If these people couldnt see how full of sht the media was in the 80s and 90s wtf is them being closer to figuring it out matter if they have no ability to think critically about information given to them, because if you could do that, you would have nothing to " praise" trump over..
"you can call him many unkind things and be right but controlled opposition is not one of them.
Yeah sure buddy, whatever you say. just remember no one went to jail, he filled his picks with swamp creatures, and kissed the wall...
He is controlled opposition of the highest order
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@GodOfOrphans
"You are so full of shit. You never bothered with good faith this entire discussion, you entered with mockery, continued with mockery, strawmanned my position repeatedly, rejected my attempts at an olive branch to try and dial back hostility and now you wanna claim good faith, GTF Outta here with that lying BS!"
I mocked the idea that talking about things in racial terms is " bad optics" and began the entire thing. If THATS how " bad faith" is in your mine, you must not have been on the internet very long... I strawmanned NOTHING, i explained how it wasnt a strawman, it was just the inevitable conclusion of your argument. Im sitting here trying to explain to you that the propaganda and brainwashing you talk about happening to the masses, has still effected YOU, and you cant seem to even grasp that concept, and are actively hostile towards me, and projecting it into how im talking to you. you refuse to grasp something im desperately trying to articulate to you in pain english, but you are so far indoctrinated into a certain worldview that we are speaking from two different words.
opening the floodgates for any and all dirty tricks and now you wanna invoke a double standard like your fellow leftist IdPol degenerates,
wtf are you even talking about? its like a bot ate a bunch of leftist buzzwords and tried to speak
"Your racial collectivisation efforts are a suicide mission"
You are literally describing a natural process, and describing it as suicidal You dont even realize it, precisely because you live in another world poisoned by propaganda. In group preference, and tribal nature, are natural functions of all beings. you are actively denying this, and fail to see that, like some post modern thinking, where humans are no longer animals somehow.
"hell you keep saying it's a lost cause to try and convince people with my far less extreme position"
because the same propaganda and brainwashing is still in you
"political demographic data.
ya really wanna go down that route? that one explicitly proves my point literally for decades, and your argument is " if we can convince a few more people" that the percentages will rise enough to matter.... it wont.
"But hey you can look forward to an eternity of I told you sos in Hell so at least there's that."
The most glorious irony here is knowing how many " i told you sos" I will be saying in another 30 years. I dont have to lift a finger, because i know exactly what's going to happen, because im not the one denying the reality of nature...
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@GodOfOrphans
"Restating an argument in t**d speak like that is mocking the speaker not just the argument"
Well because its so obviously apparent that both need to be mocked, because you keep proving my point..
"ergo yes you did enter the conversation in bad faith right from the start"
I strongly disagree
"you do not get to retroactively claim otherwise, that's gaslighting."
No, but thanks
"I can't even give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't know any better because that's one of the most banal and obvious forms of mockery around, children do that to mock each other without ever needing to be taught it it's so obvious, if you are really so ignorant as to not understand that, then how in the hell do you function in society at all.
Mocking strangers on the internet is just part of internet culture. you say something stupid, you get called out for it being stupid. dont sit there and act offended by it
"I'm not the one denying the reality of human nature, that's you."
Ironic and wonderfully placed " NO U"
"Tribalism is more than just race the fact that we are even having such an intense argument right now is even evidence of this because our philosophies differ so strongly that even though we presumably have race as a commonality we are still at each others throats, we are not of the same tribe, or how about the self hating W's that we seem to both agree exist, they're not part of either of our tribes despite having race in common."
LMAO for real? i vehemently disagree with large chunks of my family for ideological reasons all the time, this doesnt debunk anything i said whatsoever, we are still of the same tribe, and your argument sounds like reaching...
"I'm saying tribalism is not purely racial, it can have a racial component but race =/= tribe"
Except in 99.99% of cases this is reality. Non related human groups blending and assimilating into other groups does not disprove the existence of both groups as different tribes.
"you say I'm denying nature for pointing the emprically observable and f*ing obvious fact that it is not as simple as race=tribe."
Except its true 99.9% of the time. like the existence of male and female as different groups. pointing out that non binary weirdos and the rest of the alphabet gang exist, doesnt destroy the existence of the two genders that exist... exceptions and rules and whatnot
"Tribe can be based on hobby, identity markers, religion, political affiliation, career, family including found family, etc"
No. Liking television shows, and having the same political affiliation are not like " tribes" extended family, cousins aunts uncles, distant relatives are family and are classified as a tribe... Just because a bunch of random people have a thing in common, doesnt make them a tribe...
"Which tribal affiliation is going to be most salient/most important is going to vary wildly from person to person and even situationally"
Which has what bearing on anything i said? not identifying with your tribe doesnt mean your tribe doesnt exist.
"Of course you just ignore all this easily observable nuance and just go race=tribe, and then project your denial of reality onto me, by strawmanning me AGAIN, saying that somehow my rejection of identity politics means I don't believe in tribalism beacause of post modernism when at no point did I say that, it's also a false dichotomy fallacy by trying to make the two mutually inclusive when they aren't, and throwing in ad hominems calling me brainwashed for good measure, in short your nuance blindness is showing again via a logical fallacy four bagger."
Run on sentence beside the point. you arent making any arguments that debunk anything i said. this is just showing me you have no idea what im talking about. You can hurl logical fallacy accusations at me, but it doesnt change anything i said. You ignore the very real tribal nature of humans ( which are animals by the way) and insist on some understanding that tribes can be anything and have nothing to do with heritage or family. which is clearly incorrect.
my rejection of identity politics means I don't believe in tribalism beacause of post modernism when at no point did I say that"
you dont have to say that, i can infer that by reading your responses
"Now will you just give it a rest, this is tedious, and pointless neither of us will convince the other that's abundantly clear"
said the guy denying reality lol
"I only continue out of obligation as beleive BS ignored is BS spread so I can't leave your nonsense misrepresentations of me unadressed"
Dude what the fck are you talking about. you not understanding what im telling you doesnt make me wrong...
"ignoring the cancer spreading from the univerisities is why we're in this hellworld in the first place after all"
Ironically, if you listened to people like me 30 40 years ago, they dont you this exact thing was going to happen.. almost like what i say has some merit, and weight in the real world... but noooo its just BS and m wrong and mean and racist..
"You're not having any fun, I'm not having any fun, there's nothing for either of us to learn or gain from this anymore"
I mean i have fun talking about sht on YT all th time, sorry its not fun for you
You arent even trying to grasp what im trying to tell you, because you are so far wrapped up in the world created by post modernists, that natural reality is somehow wrong, and anything can be fixed if we just had similar hobbies or believed in the same skydaddy... spoiler, it doesnt work out
"I have more important things to do than continue this excercise in futility and I'd like to think you do as well."
I mean im not ignoring reality, but thats not my problem
"We also still have one common enemy that we hate more than each other at least I would hope and we should be saving our energy for that"
Yeah 100% guarantee its a different enemy than you thin from me. but go on, who is the common enemy?
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@GodOfOrphans
"I can boil that entire tirade of yours down to one word it's so deluded, STRAWMAN"
Yeah, i mean nothing like calling my response a thing, then thats it. defeated. owned, crushed..... except its not, and repeating it over and over again doesnt change that
"You don't actually understand any of what I actually believe and have actually been trying to convey so you just label me a wokists because it's easier to believe anyone who disagrees with your my way or the highway/if you aren't with us you're against us dogmatic dogshit is some kind of leftist ideologue than the simple truth that people can disagree with you and not be Marxists, more than that people can disagree with you and hate Marxists more than anything else"
First off, you need to work on your run on sentences, it makes it really annoying to read. Secondly, im not labeling you wokest (marxists), that would be a strawman, im saying you are fighting a battle using the rules laid out by the wokests (marxists), and you sit there and tell me thats not what you are doing, then you explain what you are doing, and its a roundabout way to just say what i said. When you allow them (marxists) to control the rules of engagement through propaganda, that is exactly what is going on. a distortion of your own thoughts based on the indoctrination of others. your mental gymnastics are pretty great.
"I can believe I'm possibly doing a poor job conveying things but the level of ignorance and misrepresentation you display can only be achieved willfully. So even I was the most articulate person around it wouldn't mean shit on account of your willfull ignorance and need to bully people into agreeing with you, which never works btw that just makes people dig in their heels and outright ignore anything they might actually agree on out of anger, if you knew anything about human nature you would understand this!"
This is a long winded run on sentence that basically says " im right you are wrong, i cant believe you cant see this you are dumb"
"if you knew anything about human nature you would understand this"
Ironic
"Blatant double standard on your part as when I call you out for saying stupid shit and misrepresenting me you get all offended and such but apparrently I'm not allowed to do the same, blatant shameless hypocrisy at it's finest on display
Uhh me opening with an insult and having a dialogue is different than repeatedly adhomming, insulting, and denigrating the intelligence of the other person.. but go off champ, im enjoying this
"Civil discourse is also part of internet culture there's no rule that says things must devolve into pissing matches, this thread was civil despite disagreement until you came along and derailed it."
No, not really
"you dont have to say that, i can infer that by reading your responses" Oh so you're a mind reader now are you. You are the arbiter of intent and free will be damned./sarcasm.
LOL or i can read, and understand context clues, but yeah im " reading your mind" by making assumptions of your thought process based on the way you talk and what you say, thats crazy talk.... wow dude
"You do not decide what my intentions and thought processees are you subhuman, gaslighting troglodyte, take you god complex and shove it"
L O L !
"The common enemy is wokists you imbecile! I've said as much how many times now?"
Yeah and how many times have i articulated that you are ceding ground to them by having dialogue based on reactions that their propaganda has. literally the thing ive said repeatedly over and over again that you deny, then explains it in a roundabout way, that effectively is what i said but with more words...
"I've known literal t*rds that are quicker on the uptake and with better info retention than you, that's not a joke or an empty insult either, I'm being completely literal and completely serious."
Again the irony is not lost on me
"Why are you wasting so much energy fighting libertarians instead of the commie vermin who as you say want to exterminate you and your entire race"
because lolbertarians are why we have commies in the first place dude, thats what i keep trying to tell you, but you just mental gymnastics your way out of coherent thoughts....
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@GodOfOrphans "You're ones who have completely given up the dream of a free society, the dream of Western Civilization, you're trying to fight their communist ethnonationilism with more ethnonationalism and it won't work it will implode probably take a chunk out of our movement with it and give the enemy a free ammo resupply."
dude are you even listening to yourself? you need some help, let me help you
"nation (n.)
c. 1300, nacioun, "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
The word is used in English in a broad sense, "a race of people an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family and speaking the same language," and also in the narrower sense, "a political society composed of a government and subjects or citizens and constituting a political unit; an organized community inhabiting a defined territory within which its sovereignty is exercised."
In Middle English it is not easy to distinguish them, but the "political society" sense emerged by 16c., perhaps late 14c. and it has gradually predominated. The older sense is preserved in the application of nation to the native North American peoples (1640s). Nation-building "creation of a new nation" is attested by 1907 (implied in nation-builder). Nation-state "sovereign country the inhabitants of which are united by language, culture, and common descent" is from 1918."
so you are saying ethnonationalism, but what you are effectively saying is national nationalism... which is redundant, and completely opposite of the " commies" which would be global communists. these are the no borders types of people... these are not ethnonats. the ethnic grouping of commies has more to do with the anti white nature of the discussion than it does " racial nationalism" of non whites
"You are the ones who are feeding into the enemy and you are too ideologically possessed and just plain dumb to see it!"
the irony is so think, i can taste
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@GodOfOrphans
"If you don't like me repeatedly calling out your strawmanning than stop fucking strawmanning, make repetitive arguments get repettitive replys it's not that complicated! "
Look dude, im not strawmanning you. ive repeatedly explained how im not strawmanning you. fcking stop
"Uhh me opening with an insult and having a dialogue is different" so you admit to opening with an insult, and then say it's different when you do it yeah sure, whatever, fucking hypocrite."
A sarcastic internet joke to entice you to reply totally didnt do exactly what it was intended to do? stop dude, you think too highly of yourself
"Further context doesn't make it any better either as your premise is fundamentally broken, it is fundamentally an it's okay when I do it argument and there's no coming back from that."
Its not, an opening move to draw in replies is being compared to repeated and angry insults endlessly as the conversation continues cmon dude be real...
"Here's the problem with your constant assertion that I'm "ceding ground" or "letting the enemy define rules of engagement" fundamentally if I do ANYTHING as a reaction to what they do other than agree with your white identitarianism I'm "ceding ground" so you're essentially trying to trap me using a kind of motte and bailey fallacy"
Because you are living inside this false worldview that identitatinism = marxism. THAT is my point, you dont even have to agree with white identitarinaism, you just need to admit that you are functioning within this marxist worldview without even seeing it
"You take the fact that I hate the globalist commies, (motte) and then say if I want to not be a cVck to those commies I must become a white racial identitarian (bailey)"
No, this is you fundamentally not understanding what is being told to you.
"I fundamentally reject that entire argument"
Its funny because thats not the argument im making
"there are ways to fight this evil without resorting to more identitarianism."
and here we circle back to the point you cant grasp... any identiratiasm = marxism to you. this is the marxist fundamentally changing your worldview and acting inside fo it. you still cant see it and you are getting more irrationally angry about an argument on the internet
"Moreover I feel that they've been boogeymanning whitey in the hopes of essentially having people radicalize along racial identitarian lines out of spite for them. So that they can then use the newly radicalised opposition as justification to the masses to start wholesale open genocide and persecution of political dissidents, and I'm talking gulags not just deplatforming"
and MY point is THAT IS COMING REAGARDLESS... this is the part you arent getting. you seem to think by not using any identitarinasim and stacking to individualism and ideology is the solution, but that is unironically been the status quo for decades and it hasnt worked. South African farmers is the future in the US and the rest of the anglosphere
"That's what I mean when I say it will backfire, and that it is playing into the enemies hands"
He says while continuing the path that has led to the enemies grown this strong over recent decades...
"To go back a bit and elaborate further on why I just reject the argument itself, it's also false choice/false dichotomy it doesn't acknowledge the possibility of other solutions"
Its not a false dichotomy, but you cant grasp that
"The reason I relate it to having the same energy so to speak as the wokists is I have legitimately seen Marxist use the same false dichotomy motte and bailey to try and psychologically trap people into agreeing with communism"
Thats not what im doing
"What they'll do is they'll say some kind of no shit sherlock flaw with capitalism or just say it isn't perfect, something everyone can agree on for the most part, (motte) and then say if you want to fix it the only solution is Communism (bailey), while rejecting any attempts at alternative solutions or pointing out obvious flaws with communism and how it doesn't actually work to preserve the false choice framing"
Dude, you arent even grasping what im telling you
"They also do the same argument with race relations and other idpol stuff too, "If you don't want to be racist you must support CRT" that sort of thing"
No, again you arent grasping what im telling you
"Also the fact that modern communism has basically become identitarian and your postion is identitarian, that's the other reason I say they have the same energy."
And we circle RIGHT back to the point i made in the beginning that you FAIL to see...
"To try and give a TL;DR for this it would be, I reject being pigeonholed and any such arguments that try and do so as well as all forms of identitarian collectivism, doesn't matter who from or for what reason."
You not getting the argument isnt being pigeon holed dude... stop
"If nothing else I hope this properly articulates my position and why I take issue with yours as well as the framing of your argument."
It has become abundantly clear you have zero desire to rationalize anything i have said
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@GodOfOrphans
"The hostility is because you fucking poisoned the well right out of the gate by insulting me, you think I'm just supposed to take that lying down?"
Didn't poison the well, and im pretty sure you are just throwing shit out to see if ill call you out on it
"What the fuck is wrong with you?! You then continued the insults civcvck, brainwashed, various insults to my intelligence, general condescending tone etc. so of course I'm going to bite back with hostility to reflect what has been shown to me"
I mean thats what you are. im trying to explain things to you and it goes right over your head...
"I don't believe in the sort of RINOcvck lose gracefully crap."
You believe in the " we can just change peoples minds" and " demographic change isnt going to affect the country"
"Civility is nice but it only works when all parties agree to and strictly adhere to it, once it's broken all bets are off."
Right, so when millions and millions of foreigners flood into the nation without being asked, rule of law and civility can go out the window? great, when can we sign you up for removal squads?
"Trying to still be civil when the other interlocutors have no interest in doing so doesn't work it just makes one look weak and lose face"
Maybe be less obtuse, and angry?
"I assure the self reflection is there I actually self reflect before during and after each post. In fact I do it pretty much 24/7 and not always deliberately, there's just no off button to my thoughts, I'm always self evaluating. It doesn't come across in text because doing so is a sign of weakness, one needs to project confidence at all times in an argument or lose face."
wow
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@GodOfOrphans
"Why do I need to rationalize anything you just said, when everything you said is just wrong?!"
Well, this would mean you would actually have to understand and think about what ive said instead of just saying no you are wrong
"I've tried rephrasing things so many different ways and you still don't get it which again I can only really chalk up to willfull ignorance or total ideological possession at this point, garden variety stupididy is rarely if ever this stubborn. I was hoping that at the very least I could achieve some level of mutual understanding, agreement was never an option but hopefully I could at least achieve understanding."
LOL this is because you arent even understanding what im saying to you.
"Look for a bit of clarification I'm not saying all identitarianism is marxist, what I am saying is that identitarianism and marxism both spring from the same rotten root framework of authoritarian collectivism okay, got that?"
No, the didnt, and YOU dont get it.
"So while they aren't the same they are similar in key ways because they both spring from authoritarian collectivism. Is that clear enough for you?!"
No, because saying something doesnt make it true. you are literally letting marxism control how you even talk about the issues. "identitarianism is from the same root as marxism" no its not.
"Your entire argument comes from a false dichotomy framework, eveything that disagrees with you is either marxism or people brainwashed by marxist psy ops."
Yeah unless the thing we are disagreeing on is directly related to marxist propaganda, but go off some more about something you are clearly not grasping. The fact that you think identitarianisms roots is is authoritative collectivist behavior strange
"You know what it's called when you mislabel people into a position they don't actually hold? It's called Strawmanning you dumbass! You're also trying to force things into overly rigid labels which is pigeonholing"
wow so telling me im arguing the same things as marxists is strawmaninng wonderful. stop doing it and try actually grasping what im trying to articulate to you instead of triple and quadrupling down on your individualism
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@GodOfOrphans
"Dude I understand your argument I just fundamentally and irrevocably disagree with it, alright, disagreement does not mean I don't get it. Learn the difference!
Buddy, if you just " disagreed" it would be one thing, but you arent even comprehending what im saying, and then telling me in wrong
"That said it's clear that you don't even understand my position given how you haven't made a single reply that isn't full of ad hominems and misrepresentations."
This is hilarious at this point. its pure projection, and its why i still bother replying...
"I doubt you'd agree regardless but it's clear that you don't even understand it."
Yeah, thats it, its not you not grasping what im telling you, then arguing with based off of a lack of understanding of what i said in the first place is a great way to establish how well understood something is
"I'm pretty much out of ideas as to how to rephrase it and it's doubtful it would matter even if I did, on account of your willfull ignorance."
Cool, maybe grasp what IM telling you so we can go somewhere with this
"Now will you just piss off?! I've got more important things to do than argue with an idiot all day!"
No you dont
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