Comments by "ootmaster1" (@ootmaster1) on "Missouri and Alabama Basically Ban Abortion, Trump Gets Blamed by Liberals" video.
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@Betta66
ugh
"If killing someone is justified if it's in self defense, then it must also be the case that aborting a baby is justified for the sake of a medical emergency, yes?
Sure, in the vast minority of cases this is the case... and also why there are exceptions.
"And indeed, the Alabama abortion law says exceptions would be made to the ban in cases where it prevents a serious health risk to the mother. However, women can still get abortions and those who have appointments can still go forward with the procedure.
The difference is that abortion doctors would be charged with a felony for performing (or even attempting) the procedure."
No, this is incorrect. please show me in the law where it says this
"Oh, also, you know comprehensive sex education? The thing that's been proven to help lower teen pregnancy rates, which is the kind of thing for which someone would want to get an abortion?"
so we need the state to teach kids instead of parents. got it
"Alabama doesn't have that, which explains why it has some of the highest teen pregnancy and STI rates in the country. Senator Tom Whatley introduced a sex education bill just last year, and it would've been good for the state to have if it didn't die."
Again, why have we fallen so far as a people that we now need the government to teach people how sex, pregnancy and spreading of disease... If only parents could do their jobs...
"He reintroduced it last month, and it passed the state Senate, but what does it say about Alabama's priorities that they signed into law a bill that makes it a felony to perform abortions before signing into law a bill that would've solved a contributing factor to abortion?"
i mean you could cite the law...
"Also, another reason for women getting abortions is that they can't afford to raise a child."
then dont have sex
"Alabama is the sixth poorest state in the country with over 800,000 residents living below the poverty line. That's 17.2%, compared to the national average of 14%."
That sucks, doesnt mean you cant raise and care for children
"So basically, what Alabama is doing is telling women "You can't get rid of an unwanted child you can't afford to raise if you don't want your doctor to get charged with a felony. You can take birth control or have your partner use a condom, but birth control pills might not work if you're also taking antibiotics and condoms have to be used properly to avoid breaking. Oh, but you wouldn't know any of that since we don't make comprehensive sex ed mandatory. But hey, maybe we'll make an exception if your life literally depends on it. Good luck."
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No, what YOU are saying is, women have no control over their lives and need the government to handhold them through their entire lives so they dont have to own up to the responsibility of the actions they have taken.... i cant imagine how this would backfire...
Seems like kind of a mixed message is all I'm saying.
Seems like you are arguing against a caricature because you dont want to have a legitimate discussion, because you are a smug ideologue
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@Betta66
Thought you were pullin my leg when they compared the holocaust to abortions, so i looked up the full text of the bill myself, and there it was.
2. I agree that parents should talk to their kids about sex, but expecting parents to know everything about every topic is unrealistic.
No, thats a copout... understanding sex and disease is so fucking easy today that there is no excuse for not looking these things up..
3. The one from last year was Alabama SB 269, and the one from last month was Alabama SB 140.
Ok? i mean you could have linked the relevant bills but ok
4. "No, what YOU are saying is, women have no control over their lives and need the government to handhold them through their entire lives so they don't have to own up to the responsibility of the actions they have taken.... i cant imagine how this would backfire...
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"I'm not advocating for government handholding. It's easy to say women shouldn't have sex if they don't want to get pregnant, and that's true, but what I'm advocating is that women not be stigmatized into keeping an unwanted child. "
This is LITERALLY advocating for not wanting to deal with the consequences of their actions.....
"If you don't approve of abortion, no one is forcing you to get one. And besides, don't conservatives go on and on about how they won't stand for liberals telling them what to do or whatever? Like, your whole thing with the mainstream media is that they try to tell people what to think. How the hell is forcing pro-life legislation onto everyone (when you yourself will never be personally affected by it) any better than "government handholding"?"
because murder is illegal and this isnt an argument anyone is having right now? like, how is " you cant murder unborn children" " telling people what to do" in any meaningful distinction from telling people they cant murder people?
5. "You are arguing against a caricature because you don't want to have a legitimate discussion, because you are a smug ideologue."
"You took the words right out of my mouth.
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P R O J E C T I O N
"The use ..... any other substance or device with the intent to terminate the pregnancy ........... The term does not include these activities if done with the intent to save the life or preserve the health of an unborn child, remove a dead unborn child, to deliver the unborn child prematurely to avoid a serious health risk to the unborn child's mother, or to preserve the health of her unborn child. The term does not include a procedure or act to terminate the pregnancy of a woman with an ectopic pregnancy, nor does it include the procedure or act to terminate the pregnancy of a woman when the unborn child has a lethal anomaly"
Interesting that they made a whole lot of exceptions but excluded rape and incest. Suppose an incest and rape exception is also made, would this not be a much better bill?
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@Betta66
"That's kind of what I've been saying forever, but clearly having quick and easy access to all of human information hasn't stopped anyone, as evidenced by the fact that some people think windmills cause cancer."
cool, so does that make me less wrong? no...
https://legiscan.com/AL/bill/SB269/2018
https://legiscan.com/AL/bill/SB140/2019
I mean i found them on my own, but thanks
"No, that's advocating for minding your own damn business. If someone got lung cancer from secondhand smoke, would you tell them they shouldn't get treatment because they need to deal with the consequences of their actions?"
Getting lung cancer from smoking and getting treatment because lung cancer will kill you is the same as killing an unborn infant because you dont want them? not even close to the same thing familam...
"I shouldn't have to explain this to someone who thinks fetuses can talk."
What? so because a fetus cant talk means it isnt taking a life? kind of a retarded argument, but aight
"PROJECTION"
"Yes, that's exactly what you were doing."
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"All of this just falls under things that qualify as health risks to the unborn child and/or the unborn child's mother. If an exception was made for rape, then it would at least be a more consistent bill because rape and health risks are beyond a person's control. Incest, though? By your own words, people should deal with the consequences of their actions. Unless a woman got raped by her uncle or something, I would suspect you would still disapprove of her decision to get an abortion."
I mean my default assumption that incest isnt something done intentionally if it isnt rape. (IE they didnt know, seperated families and whatnot) but yeah, sounds like theres a hint of agreement somewhere? or at the very least an understanding that theres some consistency with my opinions?
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