Comments by "ootmaster1" (@ootmaster1) on "Now Sanders Wants to Use Taxpayer Cash to Eliminate All Medical Debt, Too" video.

really gets the noggin joggin
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@nambepambe3221 sure we could ignore the rates in which non whites are obese and the health predispositions due to genetics... But you know, pretending that flooding a working white country with millions of non whites has nothing to do with the amalgamation of colossal government and societal problems is naive at best
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@ashishpatel350 oy vey
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its like large biz and international groups requirements are tailored as a screening process... only the people with money or power get into college and that makes them easy to bring them into the fold.
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@nambepambe3221 "Demographic shifts have had little to no impact in how the healthcare industry in the US has changed in the last century" Why do you lie?
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@nambepambe3221 "It's not a lie, you are legitimately delusional if you think a growing hispanic and black population caused an entire industry to miraculously shift from fee for service to payment programs favoring centralization of healthcare with more money going to an increasing number of middlemen between patients and providers and more resource-demanding treatments being developed for illnesses that had once been untreatable. Couple things here. This is a run-on sentence This is not what i said This is a strawman You said, and i quote "Demographic shifts have had little to no impact in how the healthcare industry in the US has changed in the last century" This plainly false, just looking at how much is spent on illegal healthcare would be enough to disprove your claim.. "However, I suppose economic and geopolitical factors are a less concrete than your distaste for brown people. " LOL nice, not what i said at all you disingenuous twat . Maybe if you knew what you were talking about you wouldnt assume i just hate brown people for being brown....
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@nambepambe3221 If you want, we could talk about how people ( collectively) vote racially similar. IE if only whites voted the map would be 95% red, and if only non whites voted the map would be 90% blue... If you want to pretend that this has nothing to do with the growing size of government and third party regulatory bodies, you can if you want...
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@nambepambe3221 There is literally nothing wrong with run-on sentences. Yes there is, its difficult to read, and hard to keep thoughts orderly and self contained. Illegal immigration has very little to do with any non-ER care since they pay for primary care in cash and had literally nothing to do with the consolidation of the American Healthcare system, which is by far the largest source for the increased price of healthcare in the United States. "they pay in cash" except when they dont... Your assumption that nonwhite genetic conditions are somehow more significant than white genetic problems is why I assume you dislike brown people, I never implied you dislike brown people for being brown. Because you project your BS onto me while ignoring the differences genetically between groups of people, and some groups have higher risk for costly medical expenditures... Dont blame me, blame nature. The other reasons you may or may not dislike brown people aren't really relevant to the discussion. It literally has nothing to do with them being brown, and everything to do with them being culturally, genetically, socially and intellectually different... If you want to blame someone specific as opposed to the postwar economic vacuum, corporate lobbying and rampant corruption in the federal government, try Wilbur J. Cohen. Cool, of course its a democratic jewish man behind the curtain... oy vey once again a coincidence California is effectively a different healthcare system than the entire rest of the US and I would advise you to leave if you are unfortunate enough to live there. And its effectively an illegal settlement that the tax payer subsidies... " demographic shifts have little to no effect on healthcare" HAHAHAHahahahaah its still funny
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@nambepambe3221 It's really not my problem if... thats nice Less than 1% of public health costs are claimed by illegal immigrants despite being around 2% of the general population. Somewhere between 300 and 400M is paid out of pocket, so the net deficit is actually fairly small. citation? they use more than they pay https://www.fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers "Total Federal Medical Expenditures Uncompensated Hospital Expenditure $8,200,000,000 Medicaid Births $1,242,990,372 Medicaid Fraud $3,458,475,000 Medicaid for U.S.-born Kids of Illegal Aliens $4,234,129,200 Total $17,135,594,572" I never stated that there aren't genetic differences between racial groups, just pointed out that genetic diseases aren't specifically a nonwhite problem which seems to be your assumption. I never said it was a non white problem, i said that more non whites means more medical issues that dont normally or specifically affect whites.... https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/primer/inheritance/ethnicgroup " you just dont like brown people" im glad thats how you internalized what i said... As for Wilbur, it's almost like a group of people who historically profited off of international trade and usury happen to be very good at profiting off of international trade and usury. Oy vey! California is the largest subnational economy in the entire world. You are not paying your taxes to California unless you live there. Their healthcare problems can be blamed almost entirely on Kaiser Permanente, libertine brain drain and the economic interests of Silicon Valley and the entertainment industry. Pedro and Jose aren't the ones lobbying at the state legislature, in case you haven't noticed. i mean its not like you are gonna pretend that california even listens to its voters... prop 187 is a perfect example. besides, pedro and jose get to drop their kids off at public schools, and get o be citizens, and we arent even talking about the amounts of other welfare they get... but yeah, guess there cant be more than one problem can there? Despite your fantasies of democratic representation and sportsball conditioning, the average voter does not affect policy whether they vote for someone with a D or an R next to their name. You might want to check out the Gilens and Page paper if you actually believe minorities are somehow the driving force behind consolidation. i didnt even suggest that, its like you have this tunnel vision where complex problems cant have multiple problem areas? I guess if spending a few billion a year on people who dont even have any right to be here ( illegals, indians, chinese, fucking somalians) is no big deal because the out of control government doesnt care about the people they were elected by, so they can just replace them, because nothing says america like turning citizens into replaceable labor units and anyone who speaks out against this is a racist because they hate brown people... import the third world. become the third world
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@nambepambe3221 Illegal immigrants are literally less of a burden than the average native medicaid recipient. Thus they are less of an influence on healthcare than the average medicaid recipient. How is this even a point? they shouldnt be here at all, and yet they cost billions yearly. What California does to keep its elites happy while maintaining a source of cheap labor isn't really relevant to the discussion at hand, which is the state of healthcare in the united states. What happens in cali eventually happens elsewhere, how this isnt relevant is beyond me Asians are also the healthiest race in the United States by most metrics, so I'm not really sure where your irritation about Chinese and Indian immigrants is coming from, besides maybe stormfront. Working with indians is why i hate indians, using china made products is why i hate china... no need for memefront Either way, you seem to be veering off the healthcare issue and more into why you don't like people who aren't of European descent being in the country, which seems like some sort of weird variation of a motte-and-bailey argument where your objective in every online discussion is to shift to promoting white nationalism even when it isn't relevant as though having a white population will magically solve all of our problems. Ignoring the effects of illegal and legal immigrants on the infrastructure and medical services and pretending it isnt an issue is just plain ignorant. anything related to government control is related to other things related to government control. let me make this simple for you, blame is as follows 1. government corruption 2. Medical monopolies 3. Illegal immigrants 4. Fraud 5. Legal immigrants
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@nambepambe3221 Immigration procedures exist specifically so that legal immigrants will be a net benefit to the country they are immigrating to. As an experiment, why don't you take a wild guess as to which group is more likely to follow guidelines for protection against HIV transmission and remain compliant with medication: African immigrants or native-born citizens? Adding to the GDP doesnt mean it benefits the natives. Its just more competition in the job market and resources like land and services. " more likely to follow guidelines for protection against HIV transmission and remain compliant with medication: African immigrants or native-born citizens?" Native born citizens As for illegal immigrants, if they weren't generating profit, no one would be buttering hands in congress to keep them here. It fucks over the unskilled labor market due to increased supply and lower wages, but that's still a net profit if you're looking at GDP versus uncompensated expenses. For better or worse, GDP is the opioid of neolibs/cons and that's not about to change, and frankly 800M/yr is a drop in the bucket when you're an industry generating over 40B a quarter. "i dont care about GDP, its my home country, not a fucking shopping mall with easily replaceable consumer units... but thats how my government sees me.. If you think California is a model for what happens in the rest of the US you haven't seen the vast majority of the US; the only state that can even be fairly compared is Massachusetts but even they're managed competently in comparison to big tech/hollywood and their serfs. "because its not as bad as cali it woundlt happen elsewhere" THat is literally my point, the liberal leftie blueish states always tow the party lines, so eventually it will spread, not to mention the number of people leaving cali... Destroying a country for GDP doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies
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@nambepambe3221 it's actually African immigrants. Nice, i like how you cited that totally believable line.. but yeah i totally believe you I realize you're probably unaware of what's going on in the skilled labor market, but people aren't really suffering when you bring in more Ph. Ds to meet demand, especially when they're also paying income tax towards social services that they don't qualify to receive. So replacing the workforce with foreigners is a good thing because reasons? or are you saying there arent thousands of natives trying to get those same degrees? ALSO not even counting the credibility of institutions all over the world, ALSO not counting the rampant cheating in universities in china and india... no no im sure they are all fuckin geniuses So an industry should care about a comparatively minor deficit while they're generating unprecedented profit because it hurts your feelings? Replacing your workforce with foreigners who will then take up space and grow in communities further displacing natives? i dont think this is a feeling thing and more of a being replaced in your own land kinda thing goin on here... Trump hasn't changed anything, the GoP doesn't want anything to change. It's not about Red or Blue it's about a class of people who have cemented themselves in perpetual positions of power with a common interest in distracting the plebs with bread and circuses. Riiiight, and what is your point here? that i should just shut up and let it keep happening? Every time someone in power has seemed to be genuinely interested in changing things since the JFK years, a scandal mysteriously arises. Watergate. The Iranian hostage crisis. The Ron Paul letters. On the other hand, whenever something crazy seems to be happening that could expose something much bigger, it gets cut of You mean like how the world is run by disgusting people who lie cheat steal, use blackmail, and child trafficking? and im supposed to listen to global entities telling me that replacing my countrymen with foreigners is a good thing?
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@nambepambe3221 My point is that you've fallen for the misdirection that immigrants are somehow to blame for the actions of a government in which they have not even the illusion of representation because of your own partisan indoctrination. No the governments using immigration as a weapon and for profit... so blaming immigrants is blaming a symptom of the disease of corrupt government. muh partisan politics Personally, I think the timeframe for a peaceful solution to the problems currently facing the US has passed, but what I'm arguing against isn't the legitimacy of the government it's that demographic shifts are responsible for the problems facing the healthcare system. Government creates problem, and solves it by making it worse for their own benefit. the problems are intertwined, pretending they are seperate problems misses the point https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4442684/ "Among Black individuals, immigrants, most of whom emigrate from higher-prevalence regions in sub-Saharan Africa and the Caribbean, tend to be diagnosed with more advanced infection than native born individuals, suggesting a long lag time between initial infection and diagnosis" "Though little attention has been focused on HIV in non-U.S. born Black individuals, this subpopulation has a higher rate of HIV infection than native born Blacks (81.4 vs. 78.9 per 100,000)" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3672242/ "An estimated 34 million people worldwide were living with HIV at the end of 2010 [1]. Almost 70 % (23 million) reside in sub-Saharan Africa, where only 10 % of the world’s population lives " "Overall, Blacks in the US accounted for 51 % of new HIV diagnoses in 2006, while making up only 12 % of the population" Not even sure what those links are here for Shows that legal immigrants, either resident or via visa are less likely to go untested than illegal immigrants or refugees, and less likely to not adhere to treatment despite having a higher infection risk than the general population, probably a consequence of higher levels of education, socioeconomic status and first-hand experience that AIDS isn't actually a good thing unlike San Franciscan bugchasers. It shows that immigrants are more likely to be already infected because they dont test for them regularly? im not sure where you were going with this line of inquiry It's a good thing because it really doesn't affect Professor Hughes or Doctor Smith's wages or workload if Doctor Motumbo from Nigeria comes to work in the US when there's already more demand for providers than can reasonably be met from the native population, especially when the former two have access to expedited emigration to most of the world if they choose to leave. "replacing natives with foreigners is fine because its profitable. And i guess brain draining poor shithole countries is a great way to keep them poor shithole countries, therefore leading to an endless supply of laborers, no matter what the field. and rewarding people who abandon their people is so virtuous when the people taking advantage of the system here werent here to help build it, and the descendants of those who built it are being replaced and you seem to think thats fine To be blunt, not everyone is capable of intellectual work. Right, and colleges arent a good indicator of intellectual work. It is only an indicator that they follow instructions and paid money... No skilled laborer is being replaced, Yes they are, what are you talking about? Have you bothered to look at tech? good thing india has millions and millions of people for an endless supply of tech workers to further shit up the industry in the country( worked at infosys for 3 years) positions that are needed but are currently empty are being filled. On the other hand, if you bring over 500,000 people from El Salvador to do menial labor for subminimum wage with no SSID you're undercutting an entire economic class that doesn't really have anywhere else to go. And pouring in hundreds of thousands of " degree holders" into the country every year does what to the people here nativly. You are enabling a globalist market set to force everyone on the planet to compete at the same time for the small number of jobs in developed countries.....
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@TheLoyalOfficer right but who owns the debt and who is it to be paid to?
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@TheLoyalOfficer good thing we spend more on welfare than we do on the military every year.... Also pretty sure we give away more aid money all over the world than we spend on the military... So if mil spending is so bad imagine every thing else
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@TheLoyalOfficer if only
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@lordzlordz define " rich" please anyone over 250k yearly income? because thats the top 5% IS it ok to take half of his money?
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i mean i get your point, but i dont think you know how bad it is with how much regulation and shit government gets its hands on... plus, its not like amazon or walmart doesnt have teams of lawyers to help craft legislation that helps them, and hurts competitors crony government and crony capitalism are two wings of the same bird...
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@danishdude6750 "Why dont you see them working? you cant just say " smaller government wont work because reasons"
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@danishdude6750 "I mean, crony capitalism and cartels resulting in monopolies or oligarchies." no you didnt give me a reason, you just said its bad. also small gov = somalia isnt exactly a comparison... but ok
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@danishdude6750 " the government could enforce the law but they dont" How is more government going to solve the problem of government not doing their jobs? How is more government going to stop companies from lobbying politicians for favorable legislation? "Why? Well, my guess is "muh private company can do whatever it wants"" No one who makes that argument understands what they are talking about in the first place... "Fine, you reap what you sow. You'll end up with a plutocracy (not socialism) if you don't do anything about it. Good luck." How is more government going to stop corperations from lobbying? How is more legislation and regulation going to help small business startups? How is more barriers to entry going to stop the monopolistic nature of these cooperation? You only get monopolies like this because of government intervention on the behest of these same companies... Your solution is more government, more laws, more legislation... (IE more government control) Licensing and taxes cripple small business but large ones have no problems as they can absorb the costs, so any legislation will barely affect them but will cripple others who compete
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@danishdude6750 How is more government going to solve the problem of government not doing their jobs? I'm not asking for more government. But why do you think less government will do the job? Less overhead costing taxpayers fewer pensions fewer government expenditures fewer regulatory bodies less regulation fewer licenses and prerequisites etc etc How is more government going to stop companies from lobbying politicians for favorable legislation? How is less government going to thwart big businesses from destroying competition from small companies? How does walmart and amazon get to where they are without government subsides or tax deals? its a shame all our manufacturing went overseas so theres literally zero competition inside the US No one who makes that argument understands what they are talking about in the first place. Is that a statement of fact, just an opinion, or an ad hominem? It is not an argument anyway. No, you were asking if that was an argument i would make, i simply stated no one making that argument has a solid grasp on the material How is more government going to stop corperations from lobbying? How is less government going to stop corporations from taking business from small companies? How is a large corporation going to " take" small ones? in what legal way would they be able to take something that is not theirs and it not be theft? Not like you are actually even answering my questions... How is more government going to stop them? why hasnt anything been done to stop them? oh they have incestuous power with lobby groups and politicians How is more legislation and regulation going to help small business startups? That very much depends on what the regulations are about. Who will protect small businesses from monopolies? Why does a single owner car salesman need protection from cars.com or carmax? why do i need thousands of dollars of licensing and regulatory guidelines to sell used cars? not ecen gonna start with the taxes and fees of running a small business How is more barriers to entry going to stop the monopolistic nature of these cooperation? It depends on what those barriers are Are they set by the government or big business? it doesnt matter when they are one in the same. When the big guys team up with the state to out compete the little guy. Why are you answering questions with more questions? You only get monopolies like this because of government intervention on the behest of these same companies.. No, not at all. Monopolies can certainly come into place by market forces alone. Why do you think you have anti-trust laws? To protect competition from small businesses? Weird how we havent used those anti trust laws on google amazon and walmart? considering walmart employees almost as many people as the government, i think there is a problem here, almost like gov and the business class team up to screw the little guy and skate on taxes... Your solution is more government, more laws, more legislation... (IE more government control) My solution is not more government. It is a more effective government working to help the people (not the corporations) who elected them. That is protecting individuals from big organizations, governmental and private. so, you want more laws and regulations to " work to help the people who elect them" is that not more government? Licensing and taxes cripple small business but large ones have no problems as they can absorb the costs, so any legislation will barely affect them but will cripple others who compete Small businesses won't stand a goddamn chance against big corporations if you have a weak government. ` They dont stand a chance RIGHT NOW!... wtf man, how is arguing for less government going to make it worse for small buisnesses? maybe if the government didnt micromanage every single thing in existence, it wouldnt be so hard... You sound like you support corporate America. Do you? Sounds like you dont understand whats actually going on, do you?
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