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@AmineSamus
Makes the country richer and more productive
you realize this only makes the rich richer right? the poor now have more poor to compete with and wages go down...
What foreign country?
Well when i look outside my house i see that over the last 20 years most of the new houses get bought up by rich asian families who dont speak english very well. Not to mention entire towns transforming into ethnic enclaves....
Diversity of culture, heritage, shared language keeps thing less stale and more fun
Its called cohesion, and a foundation for a strong functioning nation...
"Balkanization" only occurs because people are uncomfortable with foreign people. We fix these attitudes by understanding each other and the only way to do this is interact with said foreigners
No, its literally the foreigners who would rather stay with others like them.. which is the entire point. All this will do, is let millions more in, to fill into their own little enclaves, like they always do, because this is human nature.
Cost of living is already garbage and increased under Trump
Ahh yes so lets just make it even worse. great plan, also "*OrAnGe MaN bAd*
Build more houses. We have more houses right now than homeless people
This is the part i dont think youll seem to understand. The COST of these homes is why they remain empty. All this will do is increase the cost, because you will have millions and millions more people with money coming in to buy up property with currency exchanges that make me weep, literally selling out the country while spitting in the face of the homeless we already have...
Fund schools so they can take in more students and expand class sizes
Oh right, money printer go BRRRRR
oh, wait whos going to teach them? whos going to build the schools? where's all this money coming from? its going to be a financial disaster
Lets just kick everyone out then so we won't have any competition
So we arent even going to try and discuss this topic you so clearly dont understand?
They pay taxes thus contributing to that system. We don't have universal healthcare right now, so what's supposed to mean?
Just picture all the problems we have now, and just explode it X3. The taxes are gonna come from what? the cratered wages? hows that gonna work out?
Freedom of movement and enriching our culture/increasing number of small businesses which means more jobs, decreases cost of living.
None of this is a good thing. culture isnt enriched by pouring millions of foreigners in. all you do is dilute the original culture and embolden foreign cultures. This will increase competition for the small numbers of jobs we already have. Its like you know nothing about what you are talking about, but are so convinced
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@Nik-wo7hk
"do you not realize that regardless of US policy, these nations will one day have the most economic power?"
Not only are you wrong, its because you dont have any idea whats going on...
"The only way we have impacted their growth is by importing their shit, which we do because its cheaper.
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Which is because they have over a billion people and wages suck, because we outsourced all our manufacturing to them. because my government sold us out to foreign nations...
"China and India set their own policies, and because these are poorer nations, they experience higher rates of growth, they will catch up and pass us regardless of what we do."
What? both of those nations growth is entirely because of the US and the rest of the western world selling out theirn own nations to china and india... how do you not know whats going on?
"An easy solution is to increase immigration, but conservatives dont necessarily like immigration for their own reasons."
Not only is this not an easy solution, its not a solution whatsoever. increasing immigration will only benefit china, india , global internationalists, government bodies, and massive corporations .. who loses? the country as a whole, and the vast majority of Americans will lose...
bro what the hell are you on?
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" the only thing thats changed is the last few decades of US policy selling out the country to india and china. without the US propping up both countries, neither one of them would have anything close to the power they have now....."
"Or you infiltrate high levels of government to manufacture bills and legislation that assist your nation? Like china and india have been doing for decades?"
You are clearly saying US policy/US intervention is the cause for their growth. Also like bro US policy and legislation has not caused China/India to grow. You can maybe say US companies outsourced their manufacturing to china/india for cheaper labor costs which helped their growth, but to think this is the only thing causing their growth is ludacris.
You are telling me the largest exporters of manufactured goods isnt the main driver of the growth is ludacris. There are plenty of cases where favorable legislation are made possible with Chinese infiltration. you cant just ignore it
China is an export driven manufacturing economy. They manufacture shit for the world, not just the US.
duh, again, ignoring the national and global policies put in place that made it easy for china to grow into what it is today. it has nothing to do with population numbers
And what, are countries supposed to do, make outsourcing manufacturing illegal?? that is equally ludacris,
So the government selling a nations prosperity away to a foreign nation is fine, but forcing companies to manufacture inside the country they are sold in is crazy? cmon man
US is primarily a service driven economy because we already past the manufacturing stage. If we make outsourcing production illegal, who df is gonna do all the god dam manufacturing for these big ass companies?
The millions of people already in the country? why do we need hundreds of millions more? so we can all be sufferings under the living conditions of the average Chinese factory worker? that sounds like a dystopia to me...
We would need about 8 million more people in the US, considering that their are about 14.4 million outsourced jobs and the current natural rate of unemployment is around 5%. Also all of our huge US companies would go out of business if they manufactured shit here because its so much more expensive to do so.
Wow its almost like manipulating markets and laws allowing countries that dont have those laws or influences can pay workers terrible wages, and then turn around and say its a good thing. Crazy, it sounds like we should never have sent out all our manufacturing to foreign nations, who we are now dependent on, to then get locked in an infinite growth race to the bottom with the only people benefitting being government bureaucrats, internationalist bankers, and multinational corporations. and everyone will then have to live like the average poor chinese or indian. and you cheer this on
Every first-world country outsources most of their manufacturing to cheaper nations you dimwit, its not some conspiracy its just cheaper manufacturing. Even now, China is transitioning of the middle-income trap, basically out of being an export-driven economy.
Wow so years and years of legislation and offshoring isnt some conspiracy, they do it in the open. duh. why craft a self sufficient economy that pays good wages to taxpaying citizens instead of shipping it to some foreign country who provides near slave labor... insane
so yes, in response to your third comment, regardless of US policy, China and India will one day be more economically powerful than the US. The person in the video is just saying hey, a solution is to increase immigration.
How does a race to the bottom sound like a solution to you? why do we need to keep importing more and more people? its an insane plan that views human beings as nothing more than blank slate cogs that can be moved around and forced to live in whatever is deemed the reason, i guess GDP is a good reason right?
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@Nik-wo7hk
Listen man, your saying the US caused Chinas Economic growth, but this is simply false.
(heres a easy link i found describing Chinas Economic growth)
except its not right in the article "
The People's Bank of China, the nation's central bank, tightly controls the yuan to dollar value. It does this to manage the prices of exports to the United States. It wants them to be a little cheaper than those produced in America. It can achieve this because China's cost of living is lower than the developed world. By managing its exchange rate, China can take advantage of this disparity."
So the banks manipulate its currency to be disadvantageous to the US to undercut production, because the US has higher standards of living ( based on laws and regulatory action as well as finance decisions ) so it defacto forces companies to have zero allegiance to the nation that made them, and abandon US made products to chase profits because " offering cheaper goods is a net advantage? for who? just because its cheap doesn't make it good, why do i want to have endless terrible products i need to constantly replace?
"Im providing this because there is almost no person who is educated on this topic saying the US caused Chinas Growth."
"Did US companies assist china's growth by basing their operations there? Absolutely. But thats still just a fraction of the cause."
Yeah and the other factors involved manipulating the currency and state ownership of energy industries...
It seems you have gripes with outsourcing production, but the US only started outsourcing not too long ago.
Its been outsourced for at least 30+ years, so not exactly " not too long ago"
Even now, Chinese companies are outsourcing for cheaper costs to places like Vietnam and Africa. Primarily because they are less of a third-world country now and wages are rising. This is just how it goes, if not for outsourcing, the prices we pay for everyday products would be far higher.
And yet in another article the first paragraph"
"Chinese officials have a new concern: outsourcing. So they’re “encouraging” companies in the southern and eastern parts of China, where wages and other production costs are highest – Guangdong, Jiangsu, Shanghai and Zhejiang, in particular – to move their production facilities inland, where costs are lower, rather than outsourcing to countries such as Vietnam"
So obviously they understand outsourcing isnt so great if they dont want it to happen to them.
In regards to outsourcing, someone smarter than me has this to say about it.
"While this may slow domestic job creation and harm those workers who lose their jobs as a result, producing goods at the lowest possible cost is a boon to consumers, who benefit from lower-priced goods."
And i will reiterate, why do i want cheap garbage goods from a foreign country when i could have had decent quality goods made in my own country, with companies and workers inside the country who benefit from this. not foreign nations and globalist corporation to benefit.
Outsourcing is just the way first-world countries go.
Yes, by destroying the nation that created the giants that now move overseas. great, not we can all have less jobs but have tons of cheap trash to fill landfills that we send back to foreign countries. Glad facilitating global giant profits is priority over having self sustaining nations
A big way China benefitted from the west is by adopting more western principles in regards to the economy. Such as freeing up the economy more and not having the state control production.
Before or after the nationalizing of the energy industry?
So it seems like if the USA forced companies to not produce in China, the effect would be (at its worst, in 2003 when FIE's had the largest share in output) around a 8.9% drop in output in China. Certainly substantial, but wont change anything long-term. If USA did the same thing now, it would only be around 5% drop. Numbers were just calculated looking at USA's number of Employees in China and Chinas total FIE employees, then multiplied by share in output.
How is having jobs and manufacturing inside the country going to be a bad thing? how is having goods made by the people that buy them bad?
I will say this again, China will be larger than the US, regardless of our policy.
it already is larger. what does that have to do with anything? I dont care about china, i care about my country. If you like china so much you can go live there for a bit and ride that "economic growth" all you want.
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@Nik-wo7hk
hey man, companies need to offer competitive prices, if our domestic companies were forced to produce in the US, then our domestic consumers would find foreign brands cheaper. Therefore, our huge domestic companies which bring loads of cash to the US would suffer. For example, iPhones would be double the price.
I literally dont care about massively overpriced throwaway electronics made in a foreign country with long history of terrible treatment of factory workers. Oh no, your $1200 iphone is now worth $2400 so the $600 repair bill is reasonable instead of throwing it away and buying a new one.
Also nationalizing an industry doesnt mean China has not made progress in freeing the economy. Even the USA nationalizes stuff like they did with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. In the 1940s the USA nationalized basically the whole Railroad and Coal industry. Does this mean our economy wasnt free? Nope.
So bailouts are nationalization? i thought it was just socialism for the rich while the poor suffer?
Also, even companies in the USA shifted operations to cheaper parts of the country. But over time wages rise again and these companies then go overseas.
Yes, but they are at least in the country, still made by the people in the country, benefiting the people in the country, not an entire nation worlds apart and massive global financial giants soaking up profits...
The same Forbes article says this
"All this is true. But it probably can’t stop Chinese outsourcing altogether, not in the long run.... They will, in effect, demand the products they want at the lowest possible price, even if means making those products in Bangladesh, Botswana, Brazil, Ethiopia, the Philippines or Vietnam."
Right, so they sell out their own country for cheap garbage and GDP, got it.
Its very good to buy from companies that produce in the USA if you can spare the extra cash, but most consumers wont. You may dislike the cheap products and would prefer more expensive USA-made products, but clearly other consumers disagrees with you, evidenced by consumers preferring the cheaper products. If this wasn't true then US companies would have stayed in the US.
We didnt ask to sell out the nation for cheap garbage. they did it anyway and the excuse was cheap crap.
"How is having jobs and manufacturing inside the country going to be a bad thing? how is having goods made by the people that buy them bad?"
I dont see how this relates to what I said about US prohibiting outsourcing and how it would have a small effect on Chinas output.
Because either we continue outsourcing to lower costs, or import millions of people to inflate the GPD. the latter being the point of the video
Also, if one random company decides to produce in the US, they will have to charger higher prices. Consumers will opt for the cheaper product and the US company will earn less profits or go out of business. This isnt true for EVERY company, but it is typically true for companies that have the option to outsource. So its not necessarily bad as it brings jobs to the US, but companies will not want to do it, and the consumers typically dont care.
And why dont they care? might it be cost? might gutting huge chunks of the economy and having unrepentant immigration since the late 60's has a detrimental effect on the labor market and income... maybe stop breaking the system so they can financially benefit from it and we dont have these issues here.
"it already is larger. what does that have to do with anything? I dont care about china, i care about my country. If you like china so much you can go live there for a bit and ride that "economic growth" all you want."
Frankly this was only brought up because you said "without the US propping up both countries, neither one of them would have anything close to the power they have now.....". and "massive populations arent going to help us compete with china. Having a government that isn't selling us out to china is how we compete with china.......". I think I made it clear that US policy will have next to no effect on China's long term growth.
"I think I made it clear that US policy will have next to no effect on China's long term growth.
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No you have not. even the articles you posted said the US was a large contributor.
Also, its no coincidence that China and India, the countries with the largest populations will also be the largest economies in the future.
Yeah its almost like less than first world living conditions combined with over a billion people can produce products at very low cost at the detriment to the average person living in said countries. Its also no coincidence that us immigration and visa policies lead to india blowing up by taking over the tech industry ( badly i might add)
There is clearly a correlation between population and the size of the economy. If your in a developed nation, it seems that the larger the population, the larger the economy. This is crystal clear if you look at current populations and largest economies by 2030. They aren't already the largest because it takes time for countries to develop economically and build wealth.
Nations arent numbers, GDP isnt god, and the economy is meaningless when it destroys nations and treats humans as identical replaceable cogs in a global beast that only benefits a select few... sorry not a fan of this line of thinking
So clearly, given everything I said, I don't see why people are hating on this dude.
Because he is a guy whos never had to do any real work in his life, has only ever lived in LA and NY, and thinks adding 700 million people to the country is a good idea...
It seems reasonable that if the US wants to stay competitive, we would increase immigration. We don't want China in charge.
What does it mean to " stay competitive" when china manipulates currency, has zero regard for IP laws, and has lax standards and terrible working conditions. if thats what it means to " stay competitive" im out. I dont want to live like im in china or india. apparently people like you and matt here seem to like this idea. maybe go live there instead
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@Nik-wo7hk
"It seems like you do not know how nations increase wealth"
Yeah i do, but i dont seem to care because i fail to see how destroying a nation is worth monetary gain
"Yes, the people in China and India live poorly. But so did the people in America during the industrial revolution and before the 1950s. Soon, the people in China and India will be living like us. So, producing products at a low cost is not a detriment to the people, clearly
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Say this to all the dead manufacturing towns, say this to the endless low skill workers who lose jobs.
"By manufacturing these cheap products, China and India are slowly increasing GDP and utilizing their massive populations to produce an extreme amount of low-price goods. They are basically the USA 80 years ago but on steroids."
No, not even close, but keep thinking its the same thing.
"If we slowly increase immigration, then we won't be like China or India. Letting in 700 million people in one year would just result in huge unemployment. But increasing our population gradually maybe over 20 years will result in higher living standards in the long run. "
We will absolutely become like china and India, where do you think those millions of people will come from? mostly china and india. In the long run massive immigration has lead to lower standards across the board, but if you change how you measure success, its fine...
" But also read more about economics if you can before having very strong opinions on topics rooted in economics and without knowing much about it.
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And maybe you should learn more about history, geopolitics, and how groups of people operate
but have fun with your degree, ill stick with living in the real world, working with things and seeing how the real world works instead of viewing the world like a spreadsheet and people are just numbers... sorry it doesnt sound like a great way to run the world, and im not for it
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@InternetLaser
"it´s not your country, it´s the country you live in and already share with many others. You don´t own it."
Yes, it is my country, my family has been here for over 150 years, so its mine and the people i share it with own it. not the entire world. And its not owned by a small handful of globalists who think they can regulate the world.....
When Terrorists have nobody to terrorize, communists have nobody to rule over, cartels have nobody to extort, and slavers have nobody to kidnap, they simply cannot keep operating. Terrorist organizations fall apart, regimes fall, cartels disband, etc.
You cant honestly think this is how it works. They continue to terrorise because there still millions more people you smoothbrain. we will never be able to import enough people to do what you suggest will happen.
plus, the evidence, at least with regards to immigration from latin america, is that the remittances that immigrants to the US send back ends up stimulating the US economy and the economy of the country they´re sent back to. This free trade really benefits everybody.
How is money that is removed from US circulation a benefit to the country? " free trade" what a joke
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@InternetLaser
"you realize money is worthless, right? If a dollar leaves the United States, we've lost a green piece of cotton. Actually not even that, because chances are it was just an electronic transfer. Point is that money is of no value."
Then why come to my country, work to get said money, then take it and leave if there was no value. problem is there IS value, and its value created by my country, and is syphoned off and sent to another country where its worth more. Do you have any idea how exchange rates work?
But then when that money that gets sent out of the country is spent on an American made product, it creates demand in america, and thus American jobs. And it makes life slightly less miserable in some Latin American country.
No, it doesnt really, how is money leaving the us ( not being used for wages, food, services, to pay back debts or to save, or taxed at all) a good thing??? you cant just say " it makes us better" and just assume thats how itll work out.
It doesn't require that many people to leave an oppressive system for it to collapse. The soviet union lost a few tens of thousands of people through the iron curtain and collapsed.
Yeah im sure multiple world powers had nothing to do with the soviet union, jfc
Global terrorism, drug empires, communist regimes, and slave owning warlords have a lot of costs and actually run on pretty thin margins, making the system very delicate.
LOL its rally not dude, they have zero value on anything they do, so therefore its much more valuable.
Granted, China is larger and stronger than the USSR, and trying to tackle China and terrorism and Latin American drug violence and lack of opportunity in africa through immigration to the United States is a bit more involved, but could probably be done with just 50 million immigrants to the US.
No, it wont, because weve taken that many before, and it has solved nothing but move us closer to a world wide problem where we are all living in terrible living standards
There's tons of Midwestern cities that are struggling because they don't have enough people and do they're going broke and raising taxes trying to pay for their infrastructure. Put these immigrants there and then the native residents benefit from lower taxes, the US benefits by revitalizing our industrial heartland.
you arent " revitalizing" anything, you are literally replacing American towns with foreign towns and you seem to think this is a positive solution.... no its not and stop pretending its a good idea to pump millions of foreigners into another country without the natives consent.
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@InternetLaser
"United States vastly benefits from our immigration and remittance relationships with Latin America. All of the economic evidence indicates this. That's final."
No it doesnt and you cant just tell me it does. you dont know what you are talking about.
It's an a priori good to fill this country to the brim with foreigners whether the native people want it or not and that's final.
what? you should have the ability to destroy a nation by destroying its people via immigration? no thanks you sick minded person
Idc what racist "great replacement" narrative you subscribe to, but it's not true and nobody but you really gives a shit about the racial makeup of the country.
Not only are you wrong, its been underway since 1965. you can pretend its not real, but the evidence of it happening for 50 years is quite apparent.
You just want an ethnostate but you're too much of a bitch to say it.
The united states is a white nation made by for and made up of whites. since the inception of the nation, its been 95% white until 1965. " free white men of good character" Im not telling you its an ethnostate, the ones who made it say that.
And no, we've never taken 50 million immigrants all at once to the United States.
We take a million plus immigrants a year, this doesnt count refugees, illegals, or visa holders. again you have no idea what you are talking bout.
It's taken decades for us to accumulate our immigrant population of just under 50 million. I want 10 million immigrants per year, equivalent to the rate of immigration we saw in the early 20th century.
Cool i want them to all live in your town and live ontop of you so you know what it feels like
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@AmineSamus
"No it makes literally everyone richer. Costs of goods decrease and you have a boost in wages for the vast majority of the country. Every economic study agrees with this.
"Every study agrees with this" this is ludacris how is flooding the supply of labor going to increase wages? in what reality does supply and demand not have effects?
"When i look outside my house.."
So what?
So when i see my town/state/country changing drastically before me, its cause for concern...
Cohesion sounds boring as hell. Why would i want one culture when i can instead get multiple different cultures?
" why would i want social cohesion when i can have balkanized groups of people who isolate themselves from each other"? sounds pretty naïve. almost like you dont understand the concepts of social cohesion and group trust... but why would you?
I don't know what you mean by "little enclaves." You work with foreigners, you share schools with them, you're sometimes neighbors with them. You regularly interact with them if you're going out and buying something. What are you talking about?
What do you mean what am i talking about? do you live in a bubble? when an entire town turns east asian, or another turns Indian, how is that now an enclave? what you just described doesnt happen, and even when it does, people self segregate to like groups.
It wouldn't be worse. Cost of living would decrease, and yes Orange Man is bad. if you don't think he's bad, you're an idiot lol. I don't know how else to really say it, and he was so bad that he increased voter turnout to the highest it's ever been against him just so people can vote him out.
Get outa here with this blind idiocy....
I mean we have a high housing cost problem right now, rent is skyrocketing as well and that's with our current system.
because of endless immigration and visa importation for 60 years, because of government interference in housing, because of banking corruption as well as governmental corruption.
There's no evidence that we'll have an increase in costs with more immigrants, in fact building more housing will just give more people jobs.
You cant build indefinitely, you just cant, logistically its impossible. You just think we can just dump millions into a country and just make it work? you have zerio concept of how the real world works...
Hell yeah money printer go brrr. We're the richest country in the world, increasing funding to improve schools and build more rooms is the best solution here.
Aside from the fact that debt spending into oblivion isnt going to end well, this is a failure from the start
We can spend our money on these programs instead of wars and corporate welfare for instance. We can tax the rich and bring back the estate tax that Trump got rid of because he wanted to enrich himself and his other rich friends.
First off, " tax the rich" isnt gonna work when they lobby government, otherwise they would be doin git now, second off, " death tax" you want the government to tax people for dying too? what is wrong with you? why is it a crime to pass on accumulated wealth to your family? what right does the government have to take and take and take?
I don't know what you mean by "more competition." So what if we have more competition? You're always competing regardless
Simple supply and demand which you clearly cant grasp.
They'll pay taxes just like everyone else is paying taxes. Right now illegal immigrants pay a huge chunk of federal, state and local taxes, while also paying 7 billion into social security, while getting none of the benefits
False, illegals are a massive net loss for government spending
Small number of jobs? Aren't you the people who constantly tout the low unemployment rate under Trump (which he did nothing to lower by the way). More jobs will be created because there'll more demand for them. It's not some zero sum game.
wow its almost like you dont understand what the unemployment rate is. people who no longer collect from unemployment benefits dont count as unemployed. " more jobs will be creates" where? how? there is no reasoning it would work that way.
The original culture doesn't vanish because other cultures come in lmao. You just have more options, though i doubt "culture" is your main issue here.
Then you dont understand the concept of " culture" or even the concept of " nation"
of course you dont, you are probably 15
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"Yes every economic study worth its salt agrees that immigration is a net benefit."
I mean other than you not citing anything, i guess if you ignore all the negative effects that technically counts as " net benefit"
I don't understand where you're getting anything from but I'm guessing your info is from some youtuber or Trump himself. it's not correct.
orange man bad I get it, you hate trump and think hes the worst thing ever, but nothing im talking about has anything to do with trump
Why is it a cause for concern? And in what ways will it look different?
Its an entirely different " country" a few towns over. and that isnt a concern? obviously not to you apparently...
I understand "social cohesion" i just think it's wrong.
then you obviously dont understand what social cohesion is...
People don't "live in enclaves" either, where are you getting any of this info from?
I literally live near multiple of them and am in the midst of becoming one right now? I just said it, and you told me so what...you obviously must be far more privleged than me...
And even they did, why does that matter? They'll leave you alone so you won't have to see more brown people.
Except that i will see more and more, because there are more non whites on the planet than whites, therefore with endless immigration what do you thin happens?
What idiocy? Do you honestly think Trump is well liked? He clearly is bad because people overwhelmingly voted against him.
sure they did, nothing weird happened at all, there also wasnt a massive outpouring FOR trump, but yeah, whatever orange man bad
"because of endless immigration" Source? I thought Trump fixed our immigration "probem"?
Yeah i dont know what you think you know, but trumps pretty " pro immigration" and i cant stand it, so riddle me that one
"You can't build indefinitely" What? Do you think we've stopped building houses? It's a literal profession, what do you mean? if demand for houses increases, you build more.
its like you cant conceptualize the idea that there is a finite amount of space, and for people to continue to have a standard of living above favelas, there is no way to keep building forever...
And no one said "dump millions." Of course this increase will be gradual and not some sudden change.
" sudden change" like adding over a million a year? not even counting millions of visas every year? its a DRASTIC change. immigration policy took a drastic change in 1965 and has only gotten worse since...
No one cares about spending.
then there are alot of people without common sense
Were you considered about 'debt spending' when Trump said he'd build the wall with our tax money (because Mexico wouldn't pay) or when our tax money was spent on our border troops?
seriously, rent free dude, rent free...
Also, the " wall" that still isnt done? or are you talking about the concept of border defense not being worth spending money on?
Or the increase in the military budget?
you mean a mere 16% of the federal budget is so massive? wow
Plus spending with returns is well worth it, spending on public schools pays us back in the long run.
then you obviously didnt have the joy of the public education system. We have been increasing spending in education consistently for decades, only for it to continue to get worse. money isnt the problem
"illegals are a massive net loss" Source?
https://www.fairus.org/sites/default/files/2017-09/Fiscal-Burden-of-Illegal-Immigration-2017.pdf
billions of dollars
Why did you ignore everything i said about them paying taxes?
how are they paying taxes? with stolen SS cards? oh ok thats totally fine right?
So you're telling me that the low unemployment rate pre covid was false?
Im telling you the unemployment statistic is a useless metric for measuring healthy labor markets
I mean of course that low unemployment could've been maintained had Trump not botched the covid response
Continues to bring unrelated trump shit into convo
I get it orange man bad. and no his " covid response" wasnt " botched" turn off CNN ffs
What do you mean how? Immigrants usually start their own businesses and thus start hire more people, for instance. There's no evidence that they displace jobs.
They hire other immigrants, and serve other immigrants in neighborhoods that continue to grow with immigrants. literally creating small sections of foreign nations inside another nation. But you deny this phenomenon exists...
I understand the concept of culture.
You DEFINITELY dont understand the concept of culture. But go on
You're under the assumption that culture can only be homogenous when you can easily have multiple cultures.
no, you literally cannot, because they become insular. ive already tried to tell you this but you keep telling me it doesnt happen
America is pretty diverse right now and no existing culture has been dissolved or vanished as a consequence.
What are you talking about? the US was never a " diverse" nation, not until 1965, when the floodgates were opened. then suddenly this 90% white European country is now less than 60% and on track to be a tiny fraction of that in the near future... and you are going to tell me nothing will change? you cant be this naïve can you? how old are you?
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Lol okay so it is about white people. Why don't you just say that instead of dancing around this? You don't like black or brown people so you have an issue with immigrants of non-white origin coming in.
So wanting my people to exist is me having an issue with others? no no you misunderstand. i dont want to end up like white south africians in my home country. Id also point out i support japan keeping out mass immigration too because i think that a nations people deserve a chance to continue to exist without being swallowed up by the hoards of the world
The negative effects are outdone by the positives, that's why it's called a net benefit.
And im TELLING you you are misinformed
I'm not citing anything because youtube auto marks my comments as spam sometimes when I do and i'm too lazy to get around that. But you can easily look this up.
yeah and you could easily look up the negative effects of immigration instead of ignoring them or denying they exist
You don't need to build "forever." You build when there's demand for it lol, like how do you not understand how any of this works? It's basic econ.
" basic econ" like the concept of supply and demand you fail to understand? " you just build more" with infinite supplies and space? are you a clown?
I brought up Trump because your complaints all happened under him but your sycophancy is preventing you from seeing that
No they havent they have been happening for 60 years. your TDS is derailing the conversation. Imagine thinking this is all trump fault bahaha
No the country is still the same.
no it literally wont be the same, thats what im trying to articulate to you, but you just deny it and go right back to pre scheduled programming
It's just more people are in it and it makes you uncomfortable because they have different skin colors than you. It's ok bro, just say it.
Yeah skin color is the ONLY thing i care about. not the endless paragraphs detailing my positions. yup, just i hate brown people... gimmie a break you child
No it's just your idea of social cohesion is wrong lol
said by someone who clearly doesnt understand the topic but go off fam
Okay so it is literally just "gov spending is fine as long it's for things i like, but bad for things i don't"
no, not its not, not even close. its a numbers game that you refuse to acknowledge. Border security and military's are two things a government needs to fund. you know what it doesnt need to fund? millions and millions and millions of foreigners flooding into the nation
And what do you mean rent-free? He's the president lmao
If you dont understand the term rent free you are clearly too young for the internet and you should go home
Right now we spend the most on the military than many other advanced nations combined.
Spoiler, were also the third largest country, and have to basically play world police with trade routes and multitudes of other things like nato and the UN ( not that i agree with all of them) but pretending that comparing the US to all the other countries is such a failure of understanding the topic i cant really explain it to you.
We can cut that in half and still be a completely fine superpower.
No, we cant but thanks for playing
We increase taxes on the rich,
Never gonna work when they lobby the law changes into effect dude are you not listening?
and we institute financial taxes and estate taxes so that the rich children who didn't work for their billions get taxed. It's not a "death tax" and it only only applies to the top 0.2% of americans, a group of people who Trump defended these last four years at the expense of working people.
.02% of Americans? seems like you arent understanding. the federal limit is 11 million, but the state limits are much smaller, some being only 1 million. It is literally a death tax. its a tax on your entire estate when you die. so everything you own is added up and thats what its taxed on. do you not know what you are discussing here? with the rate of inflation and housing prices the way they are, single homes in your average suburb in blue states are closing in on close to the estate limit with just the home.
You were talking about low number of jobs, which is why I brought up unemployment. If you agree that those jobs don't pay enough, then I agree with you, welcome to leftism.
Why would i want to join the side that thinks dumping millions and millions and millions of people into a country's already struggling is somehow going to magically fix everything. im not deluded and i stopped believing in the tooth fari a long time ago. maybe leftists should wake up sometime.
They don't "hire more immigrants." They hire anyone who is willing to work for them, like any business.
except when thats not what happens. do you even work in the real world? because most people see this happening all the time. you seem to live in a bubble outside of the effects of immigration so of course you like it. you dont see it. Immigrants hire other immigrants of their flavor. Indians hire other indians, Vietnamese hire other veitnamese... etc etc etc
They're not going to deny someone for being white, you're not oppressed.
Diversity quotas, minority programs, and lobby groups for everyone but whites... yup, nothing wrong with that at all...
No money is the problem with out public education. Many of these dilapidated schools are severely underfunded and severely lacking in resources. You don't just abandon them, but fix them.
Except they dont " just fix them" it turns into a crony project where certain crony corrput people pocket tons of money, the build goes over budget (who cares it isnt their money right) and then when all is said and done, the building is only meant to last 50 years and be torn down again. this isnt working, and this isnt going to fix the education problem. we have been throwing money at the education " problem " since the late 80s and it hasnt helped. clearly the people in charge dont want to fix it.
His covid response was completely botched, which is why we have 260k+ dead now because of him. And why covid is the third leading cause of the death in the US.
Laughable false. peddle your rona shit somewhere where theyll belief it. He was trying to shut down travel and he was called xenophobic, then pelosi said go hang out at chinese new year, and cuomo put sick patients into nursing homes. but * orange man bad* get really tiring
I don't know which part of the country you're from but "insular" is literally not what happens. Maybe your mental state isn't in tact and that's what you see but immigrants tend to interact with the native population. They have so they can survive and understand how the country works.
You clearly have never experienced the very real things im describing. you ive a privileged life apparently. Much more privileged than mine. They live around those like them, speak their own language, and never assimilate cultures.
And yes you can have multiple cultures like we have right now. If you want to go back to the stale monoculture of...whiteness?? then that's on you. most people would prefer a multicultural society.
we DID have multicultural when it was just white people. are you racist? you seem pretty anti white... We have italian, dutch, german, english, irish, french, and even when you tried to cram those cultures together they almost didnt work out. now you want to magnify this problem to the whole world in one country and think its gonna work out.
Also i love your source. FAIR is a literal white supremacist org where the founder has said that he wants America to maintain a majority white country where non whites shouldn't be allowed in the country.
Oh so because you disagree with him nothing he said is true or based on actual statistics. lol ok, and i guess not wanting to become a minority in your own country is mean and wacist. Anyone with any sort of positive attention to whites is racist"
Also lol at "many people voted for Trump too!"
Yeah he beat his 2016 total, he beat obamas 08 totals
He lost by 7 million to a guy who sat in his basement and ate ice cream all day. Most biden voters said they didn't even like but hated Trump.
weird how that happens and you think nothing fish is goin on.
Trump's approvals never hit even 48%, most people think the guy is bad aside from complete bootlickers and sycophants like yourself. You're in a cult
Im in a cult? because i stopped watching mainstream news because im tired of being lied to ? and im a sycophant? you sound like you just read that off of a CNN ticker... you talk like you are in the borg but you pretend you are free and independent and everyone else just needs to agree with me and everything will work out.. its kinda scary TBH
Last comment, i forgot to mention this in my original reply, but i literally said they pay SS taxes and don't get any money back, so no they don't "steal" SS numbers.
You are factually wrong because they DO steal SS numbers they DO collect benefits illegally. just because you ignore it doesnt mean it disappears. you clearly have no idea what you are talking about....
seriously... how old are you? are you even old enough to smoke yet?
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"So wanting my people to exist is me having an issue with others"
When "my people" is white people who aren't going away and are still going to be fine, yeah. You're a racist but you're dancing around it to advertise that you're not. And it's incredibly sad. Just be honest about who you are instead of pretending to care about the economy.
How was anything i said racist? i care more about people than the economy,. thats why im against massive immigration. but go ahead and just claim im something im not to ignore talking about what i said.
"And I'm telling you you are misinformed"
Wow damn, Economists owned
Yeah crazy, almost like people who would financially benefit from such policies would be for it. crazy i know
I've looked up the negatives, none of them are bad enough to not warrant people coming in.
then either you havent looked much at all, or you you have some sort of permanent naïve defect where you cant possibly imagine something you think is a good idea could possibly be a bad idea.
The increase in wages and GDP, the increase in jobs, the enrichment of culture to make the nation more interesting, the variety of different opinions and thoughts of different groups of people, far outweighs any small negatives.
None of that is accurate. Wages will continue to decrease. i dont know how you seem to think that flooding the supply of labor is ever going to increase wages. I dont care about the GDP, this is a nation not a shopping plaza. enriching a culture bu just creating more competing cultures? how is this a good thing? " small negative" now i know you didnt research anything
You don't know what "supply and demand" is. You have no idea how any of this works. No where would it be "infinite supplies" and no where did i say that they would be building forever. It's a gradual increase in the number of people coming here and you would build houses accordingly and by demand, or even institute public housing so immigrants can stay there.
millions and millions and millions isnt a gradual increase. nothing about immigration in the last 50 years has been " gradual" stop acting like you know what you are talking about when you clearly dont.
I never said it was all Trump's fault, i said that the 'problems' of increased cost of living and increased housing, low wages, continue to happened under Trump and has made it worse. "TDS" is what you people say when the guy you simp for is being criticized.
Trump had nothing do do with the last 409 years of government. how these problems are worse because of him is laughable. simp? again, dont even like trump, yet here i am trying to explain this to you, but you arent getting it.
"No the country wouldn;'t be the same'
It would still be the United States, my guy, we would just have more brown and black people in it. You can leave if you they're too scary for you.
let me give you an example and see if you can comprehend what im trying to state here. Japan has a population of 125 million. If you add 125 million chinese, is it still japan? its only 50% Japanese now, what if we add another 125 million non Japanese? you think japanese culture will stay? or is it going to be pushed out but the now more numerous chinese?
Yeah you hate brown people lol. You've made the evident. The other things are just excuses to justify blatant racism.
Yeah thats totally it,... good lord you have such a small IQ if this is what you are getting from me.
I understand social cohesion just fine. You seem to think it's just when white people gather with no other races, which is not what it is.
No, it has nothing to do with white people outside of the context that its white being put into this position by non whites. social cohesion works pretty well in china and japan. somehow it works with them not being white. kinda weird huh? almost like you dont understand what im trying to explain to you
"No no it's not"
It literally is and you just proved it to me with your reason. You want to waste our tax money on a useless border wall and to kick people out by force, but dont' want to spend tax money on things that actually help both the native population and the immigrant population.
It isnt, and you are being disingenuous. are you even listening to yourself? are you one of those "borders are just lines" people? do you shut your door to your house? do you have a fence? are you a racists because you want to keep people out? just following your logic here
I know what rent-free means. It's not an 'internet term' lmaooo. My point was that he's the president so of course people are going to talk about him a lot.
" talk about him alot" isnt the same as " bringing in unrelated nonsense because drumpf" isnt talking about him, its him living rent free inside your head so you are compelled to bring him up
We don't "have to be the world police" and other countries also do all of those things you mentioned.
then you dont understand what we do across the globe and dont understand the systems in place that we are paying for and facilitating
They don't spend nearly as much as we do
yeah crazy that, its almost like they dont have to because we did. crazy
"If you want to argue that we're the world's superpower, then sure, but cutting massive overseas expenditures and military bases around the world, as well as cutting our spending on military by half would still maintain that status.
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except its a tiny faction of money you think it is. the entire military budget is 16% of the total budget. we spend a vast majority of the budget on medicare, welfare, education etc...
Who is "they"? So because the rich will use their lobbyists fight, we shouldn't do anything? We've had higher taxes on the rich in the 50's where the rich paid 90% of their taxes (on paper, in effect it was lower, but still much higher than what they pay now).
And you seem to think they paid all that. just like you would think they would pay if you increase the taxes " on the rich" when in reality it will be pushed off to the rest of us, just like it always does.
I said top 0.2% of Americans are only effected by the estate tax.
And im saying thats false, as that would exclude anyone affected by state level estate taxes, not just federal.
As in extremely rich people. It doesn't effect someone like you or me (unless you're in the top 0.2%), so I have no idea why you're defending these people. Trump got rid of this tax to help his rich bodies at the expense of the working poor. Do you know what an estate is?
Do YOU know what an estate is? do you understand the differences between state and federal estate taxes? do you comprehend the concept of inflation meaning the arbitrary dollar amount limits will be meaningless in the coming years as we continue to debt spend into oblivion
The country isn't struggling because of immigrants; it's struggling because of the rich hoarding all the wealth and buying our politicians so they get taxed less. The rich have just duped people like you into blaming immigrants for the problems rich people have caused.
" rich people" are the ones who benefit from this level of immigration how have you not figures that out yet? why else would the constantly push more immigration. just like slavery only benefit the top percentiles of the population, mass immigration does the same.
I live in one of the most diverse places in the country. Immigrants here create business and hire anyone who's willing to get hired. White people work for Indian business owners, or work for black business owners and vice versa. Again, I'm not sure what reality you live in.
Im living in the reality that if i try to get into tech, i compete with 95% indians. If i try to get into landscaping or construction, its 90% immigrants. i dunno, maybe because i work for a living, and live with people who work for a living that i can see this. i dont know where you live but everything i said is 100% the reality of the live im living
Diversity quotas aren't a thing.
they literally are. why are you denying objective documented reality? you are clearly out of your depth here.....
Stop pretending white people aren't oppressed when they couldn't have it better right now
Yeah cant have it better than competing with the entire world for tiny fractions of space in a country built by my ancestors.
We haven't "been throwing money" at all, we've been taking away money from schools constantly.
except the parts where education spending have been higher and higher and higher since the 50s, but again, dont let facts get in your way of your " opinions" or anything
"Crony corrupt people" pocketing money can be solved with additional laws within spending bills to punish people who do, there can be oversight.
Ah and who is gonna be in charge of that oversight? the same groups of people? great idea, im sure that totally worked every time we tried that before...
This isn't an excuse. The "school choice and vouchers" approach doesn't work and has never worked.
So forcing everyone to go to public schools without offering help for other, better schools isnt the problem, the problem is to drag everyone down to the same level?
Much of the reason why he was voted against was because of his botched covid response
Botched covid so sick of hearing this gaslighting.
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Privileged? I don't know you're the only here defending rich people from getting taxed so i assumed you were in that income bracket.
You are the one doing the bidding of the rich by supporting massive immigration and global nonsense... yet you blame me for not wanting to give the government more authority to steal from people? ok...
Again no, immigrants have accustomed and integrated into the country and there hasn't been some erasure of culture or whatever
You are obviously not paying attention. sorry cant help you there. im watching it happen while you deny it.
Those cultures aren't "white" culture, they're cultures of different nationalities and are still very much intact in the country even with the many non white immigrants we have. It has nothing to do with their whiteness as you can have Italians who aren't white. Do you just stay indoors all day?
You cant say " those arent white" culture because you would be wrong. And again, those cultures are slowly being killed the same way the US is. look at immigration across the world. its the same story.
white people do it = colonization = bad evil sinful white man
when everyone else does it = immigration = free movement of people= good
It's not that I 'disagree with something he said.' It's that he has a clear agenda and is driven by bias. If his goal is to get rid of immigrants, of course he'll publish something to affirm that view. It's not a good or objective source.
" data is not objective"
ok you dislike the messenger, so you toss the message. got it. no intellectual bias there
Oh wow and who beat Trump? Biden did by getting 7 million more votes. You're coping
coping
Lol no, just watched magical ballots in a " totally free anf fair election" with zero voter/election fraud ever.
"fish going on"
Not a single case of fraud has been proven and the courts have laughed Trump and his 'lawyers' out for every one of their cases.
everything you said is false, but ok. deny video evidence, audio testimony, and written testimony given by tons and tons of poll workers and election volunteers. yup, just a whole lot of people with signed affidavits who swore against perjury ... but nothing to see here.
You will have to provide numbers as to how many steal SSN's but from what I know it's barely anything.
well yeah, you know barely anything about anything we are talking about, so no surprise there.
The way illegal immigrants pay taxes is through the ITIN, which is something the IRS created for immigrants so they can pay their taxes without the need of SSNs. So not only are they contributing to the country with taxes, they aren't receiving the benefits. They're giving to the country far more than they're taking (0).
You are blatantly wrong. they DO receive benefits, i posted it and you ignored it because you think the source is racist. You clearly have done zero actual research into this
Asking me how old I am because you can't argue my points is sad.
Its not sad, its seriously trying to figure out how someone can be this misinformed while being this arrogant
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