Comments by "redfish337" (@redfish337) on "The Japan Reporter"
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They have lots of freedom. What those freedoms are depends on the group and company, but they generally have plenty.
If they're giving up any freedoms it's pretty much to date, be fat, or smoke. And there are various idol groups that allow each of these things so they should have joined a group with those values if that's what they most care about.
If you want to be a full time, national level, oudou (orthodox, but literally "noble/kingly path") idol, then you usually can't do this stuff.
While there are the occasional weirdos, Japanese idol fans understand and value the concept of on/off. Which basically means they are much less likely to be bothered out in public than people of comparable fame in other countries if they don't appear to be "on". By and large it's much more a job than a lifestyle than it is in other countries.
The girl in the video joined a group with management set up as if it was some huge company... but it was basically being run like a garage band. Basically, she was a salaried contracted employee for the level of a group that most people in the West do for fun with their buddies on the understanding that they'll probably never make any real money. De facto, there was no money, so her salary wasn't paid... but they also wouldn't release her contract even though they weren't holding up their end. So it was a slimy business, or one incompetently run by someone who had a big dream of running a group, didn't want to throw in the towel. In any case, she went to court and got paid. And apparently didn't have so bad of an experience in the idol world to not want to try her own hand at making a group.
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@errorys4183 Idols existed long before the 1980s. But J-pop as a genre didn't exist until around 1989. It's called Kayoukyoku or Showa Era Pop. I don't know where Pink Lady and such actually sort, but in terms of who actually gets sorted into 女性アイドル at stores, that pretty much starts from Morning Musume (1997) due to the relative dearth of idols after at least one suicide and an attempted suicide were the death knell to the Showa idol system at the end of the '80s, fairly clearly delineating the eras. Especially since they had an Emperor change in 1989, the first in over 60 years, and first since the war. Oh yeah, and the bubble burst around the same time. So there's definitely a before and after the early '90s in the Japanese mindset.
MAX and SPEED and such showed a revival was coming with Momusu, but still are usually sorted as plain J-pop.
De facto, the word has shifted. Almost all groups are born by way of Akiba style of AKB48 or Momoiro Clover. H!P is still active and regained popularity so it is still included despite some older methods. And 48 and Stardust both had to adapt to having larger fanbases than they were perhaps designed for.
As for idols who play:
Bandjanaimon
Ai Oke
While it disbanded recently, Minyou Girls had a shamisen.
Probably others but I don't know every group out there.
And also disbanded are some two way groups- PASSPO which ran more idol than band and Rurirori which was the opposite.
The idol festival system isn't conducive to instruments- turnaround from one group to the next can be 30 seconds or less since usually 3 groups get a 20 minute set each hour and any wasted time means you only get to do 3 songs instead of 4. Nevertheless, such groups exist and that breaks that definition. And BANMON has multiple MV with millions of hits so they are significant.
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What same problem?
This talks about a wide variety of problems, which shouldn't really be fully overlapping in most cases, if any at all. The problems of the national idol group members are not the same problem as the main interviewee here, who was in a group which had a disbandment live to about 50 fans.
The girl group industry has crashed at least a couple times and the current iteration has a top tier which has actually encouraged proliferation of other groups.
The boy group industry has been a lot more monolithic, basically all under Johnny's taking a destructive stance against most competition. Only the Exile groups really managed to flourish, perhaps because they were distant enough by theme, perhaps because they were under Avex, which is a goliath company even Johnny's would be concerned messing with.
Johnny's isn't as concerned about age, but is otherwise one of the most controlling of all- sabotaging people who leave the company and try to start out on their own.
Particularly since K-pop has managed to fracture the boy group industry a little bit, more indie style groups and such have formed. I'm not really sure of their particular situation, but I can't imagine them being able to proliferate as much as the girl groups since they're mostly relying on 10-40 year old girl money while the girl groups take 20-50+ salaryman money.
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Team Shachi of course!
Or Nijicon. Or Qumali Depaato. Fes tive or Neo Japonism or the codomomental groups.
I mean, of course you can follow Candys too. You can follow all the groups on twitter (pretty much the only thing it's good for).
But they're, one, super indie which is no big deal but means survival rate is low, and two, not really full time, on purpose. And three, if you actually go to Japan like some of us idol fans, they are Sapporo based which makes actually seeing them live a pain in the ass compared to almost all other groups.
But hey, if you're following, go ahead and follow:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4a2WS82JyLf1WL6IRZv1ig/videos
https://twitter.com/candys_idol
https://twitter.com/smi1e_25
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