Comments by "Ember Fist" (@emberfist8347) on "Drachinifel" channel.

I suggest that Treaty Battleships get dubbed the Cherry Trees (referencing how the Nelson-class was dubbed the Cherry Tree-class because it was chopped down by Washington to comply with the treaty) and treaty-era ships be dubbed the Cardboard Battleships referencing the quote “They are either making their ships out of cardboard or they’re lying regarding the sneaky tricks to hide the displacement of those ships.
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@atpyro7920 True but it was their issues that led to the Fletcher. Even without them, there were still the Benson and Gleaves-classes between the Fletcher and the Sims neither of which count as real predecessors to the Fletcher as those earlier classes were treaty designs and the Fletcher was an all-new built without the treaty.
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The Fletcher was actually a follow up to the Somers and Porter classes. It was also larger since they no longer had to follow the treaty restrictions.
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@samtheeaglescout1490 When you find a new toy. What they do is always comical. There is no idea too stupid that nobody will try it. My favorite atomic age relic isn’t even a weapon it is the Orion Drive just because it is something that Micheal Bay would look at say is absurd.
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It was an interesting time for everything. There was no idea too stupid to not get funded back then. Making a one man tank, pillbox on tracks, a motor car where the driver is basically lying on their belly like it is a sled, flying boats, floatplanes, half-tracks, mounting the howitzer in a massive turret, continue to build biplanes when everyone else switched to monoplanes, planes made out of wood, twin boom pusher aircraft? All valid back then.
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Shells can’t change course.
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I was thinking the worst designs would include more stuff the like Bearn and Ranger due to their status as being retrofitted from one role to and not being all at that good at their new job. And the Edmen which was obsolete before it left dry dock.
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@TiernanWilkinson I would have pictured a downfall style rant.
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And the other half were “nukes solve all problems”
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@cameronnewton7053 I just love how the pride of the German Fleet was sunk by some museums pieces of bombers because they were so old the German couldn’t counter them.
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Sounds like most American Battleships too. They were built with an all or nothing armor scheme meaning you had no armor because it was either you armor the entire ship (pretty much impossible particularly if you wanted to remain at anything resembling the Treaty restrictions) or don’t armor it at all.
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@mastathrash5609 Probably Kamchatka herself and similar ships converted from civilian vessels.
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@NashmanNash don’t need to they did that in the Russo-Japanese War.
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Germany never had a prayer of facing the Royal Navy and Hitler knew it.
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I am surprised the Nelson wasn’t on here. The ship was horribly crippled by the treaty and worse than the York because of it. I also like the sense of humor the Brits had by nicknaming it the Cherry Tree class.
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@alexandermonro6768 Unless your navy has submarines that named K-(number)
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To be fair that line sums what I dubbed the Great Naval Arms Race. I find the timing of everyone and their dog are wanting to get the most modern vessels constitutes a global arms race split into smaller regional arms races. I mainly hold this because of how significant HMS Dreadnought was as everyone wanted their own after she was launched.
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That is basically the history of Russia summed up in two sentences.
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@Feiora Molotov’s are Spanish. The name was coined by the Finns.
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@samuel5916 Andrew Jackson’s parrot was multi-lingual a few centuries before this.
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It was based on a loophole, but then people realized the loophole and wrote a new treaty to ban it leaving it a one-off. It is also better than the similar M-class.
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One slight correction. The Battleship was still on the table for Italians and French under the Washington Naval Treaty
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@Drachinifel True, but it stands out as an exception compared to the signatories.
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Please the Germans were violating Versailles every else primarily by having Krupp and other armament companies buy shares in Swedish and Swiss armament companies and outsourcing the R&D. Don’t see why they couldn’t have done it with their Navy too particularly when wielding technology was adopted which allowed to them to cut back on the displacement quite a bit. Just ask the Soviets for a few pointers on shipbuilding while you were testing tanks with them. I mean sure the Soviet Navy isn’t that big or powerful, but the Kriegsmarine was intended only to deal a knockout blow to the French and never engage the Royal Navy.
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@gokbay3057 I was thinking they had some. They used front companies for everything else. Though doctrine was another reason they suffered. Hitler believed that the Kriegsmarine wasn’t meant to go up against the Royal Navy but the French. In fact the decision to arm the Scharnhorst-class with 15-inch guns was done by him to avoid passing off the British despite the Anglo-German Naval Agreement putting 16-inch guns as an option.
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@ath6294 None.
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@derekputz8568 I don’t think we need to. It is already insanely hilarious we don’t need to add any comedy.
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I am glad you mentioned the flying lighthouse not just because it is stupid cool, but I like hearing the connection it had to the Leigh light system which I learned about not so long ago.
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Sounds like an expansion of The Last Flight of Archimedes which focuses on the IJN’s debate over the roles of Battleships or Carriers in the inter-war period.
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@sillyone52062 Which I why I give credit to the Swordfish. They left the Bismarck a sitting duck.
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@notapuma Except it isn’t they were only able to hit the Bismarck because a Swordfish torpedo jammed the rudder. I call that a shared kill with Repulse and Hood.
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“Like some kind of angelic version of the Punisher.” I guess I have to tell OP that Punisher Purgatory already did that.
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In that case does the main battery guns of the Kirov-class count?
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True but the British were well versed in countering jamming due to the Battle of the Beams.
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Seems more like Dad’s Army.
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@seanbigay1042 That is Russia's motto regarding their history in general.
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Some nations did try that but it is a finicky plan. Italy for example did such a scheme in Operation Pedestal but it missed.
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@davidbriggs7365 He is talking about the 1939 South Dakota-class. These were classified as Fast Battleships by the USN and they were built. You are thinking of the earlier never built South Dakota-class.
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I would call them post-treaty or Escalator battleships as the South Dakota-class were built after the Escalator-class was invoked.
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For me the Iowa is a fast battleship which is what the US Navy called them.
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@sfs2040 I know they have a tradition in the US Navy to salute the USS Arizona Memorial when a passes it when entering or leaving Pearl Harbor.
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@michaelbergman5095 Being anywhere near a Tallboy except on the plane carrying would be like that. It is a bigger bomb than even Fat Man. Probably the UK compensating for their impotent atomic weapons program.
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@ Like I said they were compensating for their lack of atomic weapons. They wanted the mushroom clouds too.
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The Yamamoto joke got rofl. Didn’t expect that.
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@CipiRipi-in7df Really? I never recalled revolvers with rotating cylinders or military issue of lever-action rifles being a thing before the USA did them. Or submarines and Ironclads used in combat.
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Okay I have to say that despite everything, I think Castiel hunting the street thugs could work for the story. It is easy to turn it around from how the character by turning it into a lesson of how the victims of the thugs feel to get them to repent.
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I go with the USA classification system. Later generation dreadnoughts are standard-type while Washington-era designs and the Iowas are fast battleships. The Kongos in their battle cruiser configuration also count as fast battleships.
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