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@brojackedh.1512 I say it sounds about as I know Sig didn’t do a full recall of the P320 when the first issues emerged and suspect that plays a big part with the current concerns about the gun being the old guns remaining in the wild. I also think he is right as making unlabeled changes to a design is something that sounds legit for the US government. We couldn’t make working copy of the Saturn V today as they had made so many changes from the blueprints to make it work that weren’t properly documented.
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@ThatWolfFromHyruleGaming Well those morons don’t understand Glocks have four safeties. In addition to the trigger Ian mentions, Glocks have four internal safeties to keep the gun from firing without a deliberate trigger pull such as a dedicated drop safety (because one of the requirements for the original Glock contract was it needed to be safe after drop of 6 ft 7 in onto a steel plate.
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@lenerdenator Nah. The military wouldn’t have done so as we already had Glocks submitted for the XM17 MHS trials and they lost. My guess is Glock despite making a new variant didn’t meet some of the requirements for modular grips or being able to easily change the caliber.
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@James_Bee Not necessarily true. The lowest bidder still needs to meet most of the requirements if not all of them that are laid out by the military. I could be a low bidder for a new army rifle and offer a modernized musket but just because I am the lowest bidder doesn’t mean that would make me win the competition.
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Exactly. I don’t have a gun yet but I have long considered the USP as my choice of carry pistol as that was designed to work come hell or high water.
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SIG did a recall of the Cross after that. It wasn’t completely on its own as he did touch the bolt but it was still a design flaw for a gun discharge by touching the bolt when it is a bolt action.
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@PalmettoNDN You forget the expression that military weapons are made by the lowest bidder. So you do need an external safety just in case. Even the M16 which is a quality weapon has a forward assist for a good reason despite Eugene Stoner thinking it wasn’t necessary because the lowest bidder struck with the ammo.
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@ First he wasn’t right. The forward assist was needed as the early M16s jammed due to bad propellant and a lack of cleaning kits and a lack of a forward assist meant that troops were killed in combat because needed to disassemble the rifle to find why it jammed. The M16A1 introduced a forward along with a chrome-lined bore and was much more reliable. As for the M9 only Air Force pilots carry a handgun with the safety off every other branch used the safety as it wasn’t a liability.
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@rare5960 That is not at all what I am trying to do. I am just stating some facts.
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I like the Hi-Power but personally would rather have a USP. Similar action but made to be even more reliable.
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But we already bought a handgun that took someone’s eye so why not? Also the military models had the fixes implemented already.
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I would doubt that as vibrations should also mean the parts should come out of alignment from the shooter walking with it holstered.
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@Omegaworks-h4u Well they didn’t SOCOM requirements were put in mind for the MHS competition. I think they just haven’t switched over yet. Even then SOCOM has a history of flouting standard issue firearms like Delta Force using 1911 variants after the M9 was adopted for the Navy Seals using the Mark 25 which was based on the losing design for the XM9 trials.
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@ It is needed.
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@thomasthetankengine5787 Honestly it sounds like the morons who ran the Ordnance Department in 1950-1960s have possessed the current members.
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Which VPs are you talking about? Is it the one from the 1970s which had a staple gun trigger?
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@jfangm Exactly. The fix for the issue came out so fast as it was discovered during the trials for the M17/M18 guns and implemented on them but not the commercial P320s.
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You realize 99% percent of guns are based on existing designs these days right?
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Does that include the grip safety?
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@Paelorian I don’t think the incident is impossible. We know that MGs are prone to cook off and OP said it was a Sherman. That means the Coaxial would be an M1919 Browning, the risk of cook-off is documented to exist with that weapon as the South Africans who live in a similar climate as India modified the design to fire from an open bolt to make the MG4 to avoid this issue.
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No there Remington never fixed the military guns because they didn’t have an issue to begin with. SIG fixed the discharge issue with the military models first and then only fixed the civilian models when the issues came to light.
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@TheBradyrulez Except the Glock is inferior with its lack of modularity.
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Chevy’s reputation did suffer back then. Ralph Nader criticized it in his book Unsafe At Any Speed which blew the issue up. And GM was sued for their spying on Ralph.
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And even dumber are the people complaining about guns with hammers.
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Of course not all SIG parts are made in America. The military handguns are sure because of the DoD forcing them but SIG is still an international company.
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SIG apparently. Even in the days of cap and call revolvers this was understood to be an issue. Cowboys and the like always kept a chamber empty so they could mount a horse safely.
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It would have been replaced relatively quickly as I think Glock didn’t meet some of the more important requirements for the XM17 contract about the guns being modular.
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@Calvin_Coolage You don’t seem to realize that not all militaries are going to buy commercial off the shelf as it is called because they won’t meet their requirements. The MHS insisted on handguns being modular for example and wasn’t written with a specific caliber in mind. You need trials.
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@danielkantor5693 What the military and what civilians want are not always the same. For one of the big reasons the Glocks weren’t adopted was that the military wanted modularity with different drips and multi-caliber compatibility that Glock doesn’t offer.
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Last I checked SIG isn’t run by Howard Hughes.
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Because the M9A3 still had many flaws like a chunky grip, the guns being upgrades for weapons that were long in the tooth and not functioning as reliably as they were when they were first adopted and the Army wasn’t even sure if they wanted to adopt another 9mm or switch to a different caliber when the MHS requirements were given.
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@WH250398 The SIG has a adjustable backstrap.
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It wasn’t. The pistols were worn out and showing their age. It is the same reason we replaced the 1911s with the M9.
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@travelingspartan2035 Yeah I call bull. The army wouldn’t let a soldier who can’t hit crap past basic.
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@chmandcrm Wrong. Modularity is the way of the future. There is no need to keep around several different pistol variants when you can get the job done with just one.
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No they had requirements that neither gun fit.
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@ I am not a SIG fan but the M9 has many issues including being unreliable, old, and not having good ergonomics for everyone in the Army. If it was just fine they wouldn’t need to make four revisions. Also many of the requested changes were made by soldiers themselves.
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