Comments by "Ember Fist" (@emberfist8347) on "Tough On Crime SAVES El Salvador" video.

  1.  @x_hunter00  No I am saying using emergency powers to suspend due process is dangerous because it is. Are you too young to remember the Patriot Act?
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  2.  @mobiusone6994  He is talking suspending due process "for the crisis" that will never end because that is how things go.
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  3.  @ActualJusticeWarrior  But as Ben Franklin said those who sacrifice freedom for safety get neither and deserve neither.
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  4. That is the start of what allowed some Germans to get away with so much horror.
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  5.  @trisertricordoh2127  Well there is an old saying in politics let no crisis go to waste. Adolf understood that and he used the Reichstag fire to give an excuse to take emergency powers.
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  6.  @a54109  That is not things work in practice. Emergecy powers tend to never be given back once a crisis is over the people keep that power and start taking more and power. It is how Hitler was able take over Germany and while staying within the Weimar Constitution he declared a state of emergecy and never lifted it as long as he was in charge.
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  7. By making Disneyland with the death penalty.
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  8. No balance is worth suspending constitutional rights.
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  9. Vice if they wanted to be honest: El Slavador how Dicatorships get started.
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  10.  @a54109  Starving incarcerated gang members in these sort of collective punishments is a violation of human rights.
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  11. If a real leader is a dictator than yes.
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  12. It is controversial because it a violation of human rights and an example of dictatorship in action.
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  13. Just wait until the people targeted aren't gangs but regular people who dislike some government policies.
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  14.  @ranbojd1070  No I comparing violent gangs to communists who were blamed for the Reichstag fire which allowed Hitler to get emergency powers.
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  15.  @FanaticOfMedia44  How do you know? They have no trials? Innocent until proven guilty remember?
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  16.  @FanaticOfMedia44  Not against the law.
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  17.  @FanaticOfMedia44  But criminalizing tattoos is still absurd. Like Singapore banning gum.
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  18.  @FanaticOfMedia44  Tattoos are what they imprisoned for that is pretty illegal sounding to me.
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  19. That is not a W that is very illegal and disgusting.
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  20. Emergecy Powers was automatically a red flag. It is rare to find a person who the fortitude to not let that power corrupt them and actually give the powers back once the crisis is over.
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  21. Not when it comes at the cost of basic human rights.
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  22.  @V01D-B0REAL1S  Innocent until proven guilty.
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  23.  @thesingularityproject4042  Okay you weren't clear on that. After it is what is happening in El Salvador.
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  24. It is nice to know Sean wasn't going all in on supporting this thing. This is how dicatorships get started. "Oh I only need emergecy powers to deal with MS-13 and will give them away as soon as the crisis is over 10 years later the crisis is not over as too many people are saying I am a dictator and they need to be imprisoned now I am using my emergecy powers to suspend Congress and the courts." We did this with the PATRIOT ACT before Congress came to their senses and pulled out its teeth.
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  25. No we will not have it as suspending the 4th and 5th Amendment will not be approved by anyone but authoritiarians like yourself.
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  26.  @IronicalChronical  I would say the old saying let no crisis go to waste as that is very likely what the president is thinking unless he can prove me wrong.
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  27. No sompe people just where emergecy powers lead and is never to a good place. Unless the President gives away their emergecy powers before this year is out and proves me wrong which I doubt will happen.
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  28.  @quikex3606  I knew it was bad but I don’t think a potential dictatorship would be any better
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  29.  @ZOMBIEo07  I do know what they are capable of and that they still deserve a right to a trail.
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  30. Except everyone is innocent until proven guilty but in El Slavador it is now guilty until proven innocent.
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  31.  @exhumedlegume8870  I am not saying anything anti-Semetic just that they used emergecy powers from crisises to get more and more power to take over.
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  32.  @kcirtapelyk6060 Keep spouting that BS and see where it gets you.
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  33. No that is not the way. It is what happened during the Patriot Act when you sacrifice freedom and in the case of the US the Bill of Rights for security you get neither.
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  34. Not all. I found one Salvadorian who is concerned about what the President does next.
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  35. That is because the ends don't always justify the means. In your analogy and here there are ways to resolve the issue without going to those extreme measures (such as encouraging safe sex among those groups).
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  36. No at least not the suspending trials and stuff as Sean mentioned. The Bill of Rights should be protected.
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  37.  @RodasMemesLife  You say on a video made by someone who is not a Salvadoran citizen.
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  38.  @ranbojd1070  No I do not I watched the video and they explicitly said they had to suspend the El Salvador Constitution to do this.
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  39.  @IronicalChronical  What? Where is your evidence for such an absurd claim?
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  40.  @FanaticOfMedia44  I am serious this is how dicatorships tend to begin. It happened in Germany in the 1930s.
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  41.  @krichardson113  Ok so you are going almost full Nazi now.
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  42.  @LDS-Guy  He does. Suspending rights for a full year when they were due to expire several times now is facism in a nutshell as is holding people in prisons without due process.
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  43. Except that is a load of crap. It is in the US constitution that you have the right to a lawyer and due process no exceptions.
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  44.  @a54109  Simple because the gangs are just the excuse soon it is speaking out against the government policies you don't like.
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  45.  @badart3204  Yes Lincoln is the exception to the rule. The reason he said that the way to test a man’s character is to give them power was because he was one of the few people who didn’t abuse his emergency powers or keep them longer than they were needed.
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  46. Human rights are universial man.
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  47. Except most of the time they can't because complaining about the laws is often criminalized and then they become the T-word.
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  48. That is how you get dictatorships. Because you never get the process civil rights after part.
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  49. Except can they do that? Do you believe it is likely the President of El Salvador is going ot give up his emergecy powers and restore due process? I don't. I have seen this happen so many times the only way you get civil rights back is when the people kill him and and someone new takes over.
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  50. That is unlikely to happen. Returning civil rights almost never happens.
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  51. to turn a nation into a dictatorship.
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  52. If you don't advocate with suspending due process I agree.
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  53. Human rights exist the UN has declared that decades ago.
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  54. It just might be it is a matter of when they get caught because do you honestly think the President will give up his emergecy powers when MS13 is no longer a problem?
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  55. No they should not. Everyone has a right to due process under the law.
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  56. I am pretty sure that is illegal except for extraditions which is the criminal is a wanted for crimes in another country or going to be tried in their country of origin.
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  57. Um no because that line of thinking is what allowed Hitler and many others to take power.
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  58.  @ian7064  It isn't to justify suspending human rights by the Government. By your logic we should have committed genocide against Germany because of the Holochaust.
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  59. That is flatout against the constitution.
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  60. Agreed only if they have a trial first. I am not big on suspending due process even for murderers.
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  61.  @thewhynaut5070  Yes there were but I tend to see where these situations where you suspend certain rights for a emergecy leads. And it tends to be situations worse than what El Salvador was like before.
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  62. And of course the suspension of due process.
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  63. I doesn't matter what the families of the victims think. Everyone has the right to a fair trial and legal representation.
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  64. Mercenaries are also illegal pretty much everywhere.
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  65. Suspending due process is not "understandable" it is disgusting
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  66. You realize it isn't far from becoming a dictator when you suspend due process right?
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  67.  @WillyIsCokey  It didn't need to be done. The ends don't justify the means.
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  68. Suspending due process is not based.
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  69. I doubt they will dial it back. Emergecy powers tend to stay with the person who is given them.
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  70. Agreed. I lost count of many times authoritiarians got emergency powers and abused them to hell and back as dictators.
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