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Comments by "Ember Fist" (@emberfist8347) on "Arkansas Trooper Flips Pregnant Woman" video.

Except no he wasn't willing to kill her Pit maneuvers are SOP and used for incapacitation.
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Not true the police have a hierarchy for appropriate force to use in specific situations.
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@aksjdlasjdf4595 There is no victimless crimes. The "victimless crimes" are generally property crimes like arson or non-violent crimes which their victim isn't easy to identify.
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@craigjetton4408 Victimless is broadly worded but it appears to apply to non-violent crimes.
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@mariss.317 Yeah and to a degree so was the woman here who was going 84 in a 70 at night. That is idiotic honestly and the officer wasn't a mind reader he didn't know why she didn't pull over and one of the first things he asked was why she didn't.
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Except he can be charged with that due to the definition of what a weapon is from a legal perspective. Reckless endangerment though yeah he should be charged with that.
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Well part of the blame goes to her for going 84 in a 70 while pregnant at night and then pulling over. Not saying the officer is perfect but she is also responsible for creating this situation
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@col.cottonhill6655 Well it doesn't look good when you don't stop after seeing the lights and going on for so long they actually had to cut out part of the video.
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@johnschwalb This is a very rare where a pit Maneuver caused a car to flip.
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@bubblegumgun3292 It is exaggerated. It is reckless and he should be prosecuted for it but it isn't police brutality.
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That is a little exaggeration.
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It is not attempted murder. The PIT Maneuver doesn't count as lethal force.
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That is absurd it only applies if he was using lethal force. This is like claiming getting maced counts as attempted murder.
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@christianvalarus5950 Well she could be considered fleeing
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@RefurbishedPrototype He was a maneuver that almost never kills people so no reckless endangerment would be his charge and criminal neglience.
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@youbetzler Yeah I agree that and criminal negligence. Honestly if I were him, one of the first things I would do is get her out of the car and wait to question her until she is out and in my patrol car where she can be questioned safely.
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@ryanhubbard1885 He wasn’t callous notice he was removing debris and repeatedly asked if she could exit the vehicle on her own or he needed to help her out of the car
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@jacobearwood653 Because that is part of his job to serve and help people.
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Well it would like she was resisting
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Actually if she were to be compensated, it would have to be settled in a courtroom at least if her insurance doesn't cover this incident which it should.
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@sempergummy5469 No lethal force would be shooting into the car.
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@christianvalarus5950 Well the suspect was going 84 in a 70
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@FadingSwordsman Except deadly force requires a much higher chance of death than a pit maneuver has
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@greatleader4841 If you watched the full video he did get authorization for the PIT
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@christianvalarus5950 She was still driving though that doesn't look good.
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@bboywolf Well she was going 85 in a 70 and didn’t stop for an officer
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@bboywolf From the officer's perspective, fleeing
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She was 84 in a 70 at night that is reckless
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@col.cottonhill6655 He actually tried to help her out of the car.
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@schilling2438 No I watched the video
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@falseprophet1024 A PIT maneuver rarely flips cars and deaths are even rarer.
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@johnathandolenz8426 It is more due to location.
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@thorinpalladino2826 Not in police work when you are doing a PIT maneuver it is more of a love tap
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@falseprophet1024 It isn’t justified but it isn’t deadly force. There is risk everytime a taser is used it will kill someone but it is not seen as lethal force
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@falseprophet1024 The cop did it with justification at least he did it with authorization it isn’t justified he used it but it isn’t deadly force either
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@col.cottonhill6655 It was still trying a danger to public safety this was 15 mph over the speed limit at night
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@falseprophet1024 30 is a small number and that would it a lower average number as you needed 4 years total to get 30 deaths. So I am not talking out of my ass
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@craigjetton4408 Well if you really want to be technical, prostitution isn’t a victimless crime when the prostitute is being forced by their pimp which is sadly a common case. Prostitution and similar acts common motivations for human trafficking
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@bobthetitanic Because people who say they are victimless ignore several factors that show there is no such thing as a victimless crime
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@clydewill2340 That law wasn’t a case of a victimless crime. The law was made because someone did that so they lure another person’s horse onto their property in essence stealing it.
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Sorry but not all police officers are terrible people. You are part of the problem.
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It is important to also look at this from the officer's perspective he didn't know why she was refusing to stop. That is one of the first things he asked her.
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Well it can’t be deadly force as a PIT maneuver normally causes cars to spin out not flip over like what happened here and most PIT maneuvers are authorized over 50 mph she was going over 80 in a 70 at night that is reckless
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It was 84 but while she may feel safe it isn’t always safe particularly at night.
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@bonanimathambo8721 Calling him a lunatic when he actually tried to help her out of the car
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@Powermad-bu4em Well he wouldn’t have to do it if she stopped.
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@originalindividuals9792 Attempted Manslaughter isn't a thing manslaughter requires you accidentally kill someone. Injuring them would be something else. Questionable use of force
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@FadingSwordsman A PIT Maneuver isn't deadly force.
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@mariss.317 Well so the women going 84 in a 70 mph zone at night. Speed Limits are for the safety of everyone. So she was endangering herself, her unborn child and others.
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@mariss.317 She was still 84 in a 70.
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@r0ck5un99 84 in 70 at night while pregnant. I never that far over the speed limit especially not at night.
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@MACAVELLE50 Except an automobile isn’t a deadly weapon and he didn’t ram her either
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@edwinharbauer2260 No I wouldn’t consider it lethal force as people dying from are the exception to the rule.
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@FadingSwordsman Under law enforcement guidelines though it is not deadly force
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@FadingSwordsman It wouldn’t be deadly force per law enforcement guidelines
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@jingato So you are trying to justify reckless driving by insulting me? You just look like a fool
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@psychegoddessoflight9358 Except I don’t believe that at all the officer should be charged with reckless endangerment but people are acting like just because this woman is pregnant it is okay she was going well over the speed limit on a highway at night.
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@FP194 Not a troll just a person who thinks the attempted murder claims are absurd but this cop should still be punished
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Dwayne D I am middle-class don’t claim shit you know nothing about
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@FadingSwordsman And he was authorized.
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@paulghignon4092 At 15 mph over the limit at night it is at least in my book.
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Preferably have that done in the reverse order prosecuted then fired. It doesn’t look good if you fire someone for the accusation of criminal behavior before a verdict is determined in a court of law.
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@jeremygilbert7989 I will concede reckless endangerment is what he did.
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@teh one He didn’t intend to flip the car pit maneuvers don’t always flip a car they normally cause the car spin out
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@stevef68 You can also kill someone with a taser but that doesn't mean a taser is referred to as deadly force.
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@teh one Not lethal force as that requires killing
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Dwayne D Well as the officer she should have stopped
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@ScottBFree He wasn't wanting to hurt her he specifically tried to help her out of the car and asked why she didn't stop. He screwed but wasn't malicious and should be punished.
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Well that is on them for being idiots. Also it is a needed precaution there is a shocking numbers of times when police officers are shot during a routine traffic stop.
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@KainaX122 Well no the maneuver wasn’t justified but she isn’t completely innocent either. For example let’s say her unborn child did die. Are you going to solely blame the officer and give her part of the blame for going 84 in a 70 at night and failing to pull over for an officer who is unaware of her intentions.
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Neither was the other driver. 84 in a 70 at night is pretty serious.
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@sECUREij A way to end a police chase hopefully without killing anyone
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Probably because Hazard Lights don't mean you drive for another 5 miles.
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It isn't attempted murder when you use a tactic that wasn't explicitly designed to kill.
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@vrmaid1590 Okay I would like to see the case law because I want to be sure if it applies here as we typically count causing a car crash as assault with a deadly weapon
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@Omizuke Well none of that is Arkansas law
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@FP194 Hell no. I am not connected to him and I disagree with his take too.
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Only that isn't attempted murder or assault with a deadly weapon. That is what a decent person knows. It was reckless endangerment.
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Because a car isn't a weapon.
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@TheGloryXros The "issue" is that cops like everyone else is innocent until proven guilty. In this case he did commit reckless endangerment.
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@Gen_Z_Insurgent Do your research Katrina didn't hit Flordia.
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@kennethkristiansen6958 Unlikely a Pit Maneuver rarely kills anyone. Also, a Car doesn't fit the definition of a weapon.
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@TheGloryXros Nine times out of ten a PIT manever causes a car to just spin out.
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@TheGloryXros It rarely kills anyone.
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Yeah
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He got approval for it so that needs to include the higher ups and your logic I feel doesn’t work. Punishing everyone for one person’s mistakes isn’t a good idea. At best you get what happened in Full Metal Jacket
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@KainaX122 I do see forcing the others to go through a mandatory training course over what one officer did as punishment particularly since it implies all of them are incompetent.
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@KainaX122 I assume the others know proper procedure because nobody else was caught doing this.
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