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Comments by "Ember Fist" (@emberfist8347) on "El Salvador DESTROYS Cartels" video.

No they have a point. The marshal law is continuing despite a massive crime drop. I expect it will never be lifted until this “president” is out of power.
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@1685Violin There is no such thing as a benevolent dictatorship.
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The problem is how he did it for me. He suspended the parts of the constitution that gave citizens basic civil liberties like being able to have legal counsel during a trial and other aspects of due process. Even Sean said he doesn’t support that policy.
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@Woogeee Nothing good comes from keeping martial law well past its expiration date.
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Not really compassion. More like making a police state. They are unpersoning people.
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Nah military being everywhere is bad. Police states aren’t much better than gangs running everything it is just a case of meet the new boss same as the old boss.
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You don’t understand what human rights organizations do which is call out corrupt or authoritarian governments. El Salvador is now both.
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@duxpatternicus The El Salvadorians don’t know what they doing. It would be like if we had a president so popular we overturned the 22nd Amendment allowed them to run unopposed.
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@grimjoker5572 Not when it is still enforced despite the emergency basically being over.
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Not really because nothing excuses human rights violations.
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@themachine9366 they just do it behind closed door.
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I wouldn’t. At least Democrats don’t suspend due process.
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@slappy8941 No I am Republican. But I hate dictators.
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@drno62 Because I don't jump on a bandwagon. Besides implementing a RICO type law could allow the restoration of due process and cut down on crime.
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@sneediumminer I seriously doubt that. You could say the underlying problem in Czarist Russia was the royal family but that didn’t stop the Soviets from imprisoning, executing, or unpersoning other people when they got into power. As the saying first they came for the Jews (who according to Nazi rhetoric were the source of Germany’s problems) then they came for the communists, then they came for the trade unionist and then they came for me.
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@michaelsorensen7567 There is nothing in the declaration of human rights saying you can’t do that. And they aren’t a political movement.
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@rcrawford42 No I know that but they keep getting renewed even though with their results he should have relinquished them by now.
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@macmckenzie1123 No it is not. One bad situation isn’t solved by creating another bad situation. I mean Russia wasn’t all that good during World War I but what it created was the Soviet Union which wasn’t the solution.
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@lunarvision I am on the side of good. I am against the gangs but I am also against the dictator in El Salvador.
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@iplaygames8090 Ok at least I know which people here in the comments are fascists.
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Finally someone in these comments I can agree with. I am also concerned about due process and the fact that despite it being over a year and a massive drop in crime marshal law is still in effect. I think it will not be lifted unless the so-called president is out of power or dead.
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It is what dicatorships do unpersoning anyone the state doesn’t want remembered.
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@robcubed9557 And that is when either aren’t in the Cartel’s pockets.
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@grbenway So you are okay if they were to force them into death camps?
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@rcrawford42 I care more about the rights of the common man which is why I am concerned about civil liberties being suspended and not given back. Also Nuremberg was a trial so I support it. Trials are among the things that have been suspended you just get imprisoned by the government for suspicion of being a criminal.
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@modusdeus6543 Because they might be next if they badmouth the cult of personality around El Salvador’s dictator.
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@hustlebustle3986 If that argument is true it shouldn’t be so hard to use a RICO type law. Hell we used RICO against the Mafia.
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@drno62 I am not. I am anti-dictatorship. This isn’t a partisan thing. Is Sean pro-criminality for pointing out the same things I am?
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@drno62 No I made concrete assertions he is attempting to run for a second term and has not given up his emergency powers despite it being a year and the crime drop should be sufficient to restore things like trials by jury.
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@drno62 He thinks he is above the law and it isn’t being sympathetic to criminals to call a spade a spade. Enough of this hyper partisan you are with us or with the terrorist crap.
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@uberwarlocker Have you checked his alleged approval rating? And everyone is innocent until proven guilty,
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@CanadianEhHole No the strawman is made by you for making speculation about what OP meant.
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@jussi8111 It is really annoying how calling out the bad in the situation is such a partisan thing.
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@CanadianEhHole nice strawman.
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You realize that is what dicatorships do judge jury and executioner.
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No what they doing isn’t great they are suspending due process and civil liberties. And so far they are given back. Benjamin Franklin once said that when you sacrificed freedom for security you get neither and this is what is happening in El Salvador.
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@scorchclasstitan6727 I am not as I said before. I just hate dictatorships too. Nice strawman though.
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@lunarvision I am not a propagandist unless you think Sean is one. I am bringing up all the same points he did.
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@justinlast2lastharder749 And Pinochet. The dude who was notorious for throwing people out of helicopters into the ocean. He is the reason we use the term "disappeared" as a verb for killing someone.
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No that was Kowloon or Prohibition-era New Jersey
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@Utracia1 There are innocent people caught up in this. Innocent until proven guilty and as no trials have occurred everyone is Innocent until proven otherwise.
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@madtabby66 Not even gangs know if a tattoo is a gang tattoo.
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I am afraid we are already going down that road. Despite the fact the entire gang population is locked up, Buekle has still not given up his emergency powers and Marshall law has been allowed to be extended multiple times past the intended expiration date. Plus him defacing gang gravestones which is basically unpersoning someone.
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@lawsattitude1999 Read: What he did in El Salvador is equivalent to suspending half the Bill of Rights.
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@Kangassero Really because you seem to think having people thrown in prison with no charges and no trial is okay. That is what is happening. It is a simple of the ends don’t justify the means and the means have already gone too far.
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@Kangassero No what I purpose is you stay in jail with charges before trial not imprisoned there is a difference. And Guantanamo is the tip of the iceberg the Balkans is where the more serious black site prisons were. It is possible to say both options suck and I can admit that.
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@danielmacmaster5822 I think the organized crime members still need to stand trial like Sean does.
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@bigdummy6286 We will have to see. This could get far far worse if Niyab goes full dictator disappearing people and everything. We could look at this event as the start of his dictatorship.
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Yeah I have that concern too. I think it is going down that route as the deadline for martial law being lifted if well overdue.
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I have been saying this since Sean’s first video and people were calling crazy for my issues. It also disturbs me how many people in these comments are okay with doing the same thing in the US despite the crime rate not being as bad and that doing so would require suspending the Bill of Rights.
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@scorchclasstitan6727 These gangs aren’t terrorist there is a massive difference.
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@drno62 Running for a second is not allowed on the current constitution of El Salvador. And his job is done when you have the crime drop this much might as well re institute trials before more people die without a trial.
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@drno62 Because it has been a year and I rather not wait for the diminishing utility.
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@uberwarlocker I am saying restore trials for the people they imprisoned. I never let anyone free.
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@@gwarwrddur I am aware of what a cult of personality is. They don’t seem to know the dangers of that.
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@vurhn2009 Nice try Freud. I have a father figure. And I made it clear I don’t like the gangs. But I don’t like regimes suspending due process indefinitely either.
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@EdyAlbertoMSGT3 Extortion is what gangs do. That isn't something terrorists do.
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@HANKHILLFORTXGOVERNOR Thank for being the perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.
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@HANKHILLFORTXGOVERNOR I am wrong for what? Calling out that so many people are a okay with the extreme government overreach and suspension of due process that easily becomes authoritarian?
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@HANKHILLFORTXGOVERNOR The iron fist never ends well. My “minimal understanding of the world” as you put it has made it clear the iron fist always goes corrupt.
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@HANKHILLFORTXGOVERNOR And since when is the complete suspension of due process a good idea?
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@Tespri I disagree on that. A dictator is basically what happens when a gang leader manages to get a public office.
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@benja_324 Democratic Repulblic is an oxymoron only used to refer to dictatorships.
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@vortexgaming6775 I did everyone else failed to do theirs given they don’t know how human rights work.
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@JanitorScruffy No I am only expressing the real concern that this is how dictatorships start.
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@davidpalacios6116 That is a strawman you used. I am not pro-criminal I am however anti-dictator. Also what you described isn’t terrorism. A terrorist wouldn’t do that for money.
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I think it is worse than that. They are going memory hole these people.
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@friendmaker9210 I never said anything resembling that. But everyone in the comments is a-okay with dehumanizing gang members. Also El Salvador has a population of six million people so I don’t think it is that tight knit, particularly when most countries with high levels of cartel or gang violence have the police or military wear masks so they can’t be recognized by anyone who sees them.
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@grbenway I am not part of nor support these gangs but I don’t simp for dictators either.
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@CanadianEhHole Freedom to not be locked without due process.
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@CanadianEhHole They are putting people in jail without bond they are putting them straight to prison.
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@CanadianEhHole You can’t however send them straight to prison.
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@black-redpill3 I haven’t heard any of that. Only people fearing the potential Bukele becomes the new Castro.
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@kanjo4976 Except I am not. I never said anything resembling. Just calling out that Niyab is a dictator as he fits the definition now. Somehow calling out some guy is bad means I am automatically siding with the other group? Both groups can suck.
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@danielmacmaster5822 And I don't support that either.
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@PlanetCharnBaby You actually don't That is a logical fallacy.
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@nicholasschrader7179 I do RICO. We did that to stop the mob in the US. El Salvador and other countries should pass similar legislation.
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@yukiko6137 No I am right wing. I also am familiar with the fact that unpersoning anyone is wrong doesn’t matter who they are.
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@banana6837 Ok Stalin apologist. Stalin killed about 20 million people during his great purges. Or the Holdomor. Or how he aligned with Hitler to split up Poland. I can go on. And the US could have won World War II on its own. We were producing 40% of the worlds arms, we produced the bomber that dropped the most bombs and the one with the largest production run in history. We had to slow down our production by 1943 because we were at risk at overproduction of war material. And for claims that the bureaucracy or public couldn’t support the war, it is immediately shot down by the fact FDR got elected for four terms. That is in unprecedented in the US as there was always a unspoken rule that a President could only serve two terms max following the example of George Washington. No other President before FDR could hope to have the popular support to get elected four times and no president will since because the 22nd Amendment made the unspoken rule official. FDR ran on the platform ever since Pearl Harbor of winning the war. So yes the American public would support be able to do that.
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@giselle_kvm No he didn't outright suspend massive part of the constitution.
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@giselle_kvm Except that is not at all what happened.
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@practicallyprinz Ah yes siding against a dicatorship is the wrong side.
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El Salvador is in North America now we know you flunked geography see which nation is the biggest in South America and how big El Salvador is by comparison and see how low it’s chances are of being an economic powerhouse.
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It is shocking how few people in the comments are sensible as you.
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I am disturbed how many people are supporting Niyab in the comments section. There are way too many red flags with him for me to be comfortable with his actions.
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@asterixandobelix195 What red flags do I raise? I didn't cooperate with criminals, suspend due process and freedom of assembly, disregard human rights and intent on breaking the law about term limits. He did all of that.
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@asterixandobelix195 I don't align myself with any ideology but the rule of law i.e. every is innocent until proven guilty has the right to fair trial. Sean had literally made the same points he doesn't agree with the suspension of due process.
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@asterixandobelix195 No Sean is being subjective.
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@asterixandobelix195 So you are a bootlicker good to know.
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@vinsmokedsanji9962 A tattoo is not a confession.
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@asterixandobelix195 If you think I can be called me a convict which isn't true so it should be fair game to give accusations about what you are. And you act like him ignoring what the constitutions says he can or can't do is not a big deal which is a sign of a bootlicker.
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@asterixandobelix195 Except not he is running for a second term when the constitution says you can only serve for one term. He also suspended the rights to a trial, the right to an attorney, and every other right related to due process for the entire nation. And I don’t empathize with the criminals that is a strawman you created.
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@asterixandobelix195 This is not the only way. A RICO type law would have fixed this problem quicker.
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@asterixandobelix195 Because they didn't think of it obviously. I checked and there doesn't seem to be any existing laws in El Salvador targeting organized crime.
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@asterixandobelix195 If you think the government is inept and corrupt shouldn’t you disagree with said inept and corrupt government suspending due process indefinitely?
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No it wouldn’t it would require suspending the bill of rights as that is what he did essentially to get these results.
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@4thand3 So you claim but you can be made a criminals by those in charge.
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No they are concerned about the suspension of civil rights. The ends don’t justify the means.
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As in, not what El Salvador is doing.
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They will not be. Probably suffer fatal “accidents” in prison.
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The “greater good” that proves you are speaking out of your ass. Anytime someone mentions that it is a load of crap as the “greater good” never needs to be mentioned when it really is for the greater good as everyone implicitly understands it.
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Humans rights is a legit concern when people are imprisoned without a trial or being charged for a crime.
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@brandon6896 So anyone can be called a gang member and be removed from history? And Niyab isn’t a just ruler. A just ruler wouldn’t try to overrule the constitution as to what limits he could do.
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And I feel that way about all statues. Best thing was put a a new plaque adding some context.
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That is not at all how human rights work.
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@DANCERcow Except they do. Otherwise it is guilty until proven innocent.
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That is profiling and illegal.
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@harkbelial As yes the change the law so it is guilty until proven innocent types. That is completely morally wrong.
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@michaelsorensen7567 And if they are that makes it worse the dictatorship exists.
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@daskampffredchen Because there isn’t. That isn’t a human right. Human rights are not mistreating prisoners.
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@nobodyspecial1553 I am looking at the biggest gang led by “President” Niyab.
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@daskampffredchen That is entirely a strawman. All I am saying the ends don’t justify the means.
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@osets2117 That is not how human rights work.
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@daskampffredchen No I never said any of that at all. Everyone had the rights before those were suspended for everyone by "President" Niyab. And everyone is all guilty until proven innocent when it is the other way around.
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@Baccanaso Except I am not. Here is some facts for you. El Salvador ratified the American Convention of Human Rights in 1973 here is a part of Article of that Convention. "the presumption of innocence is a guiding principle in criminal trials and a foundational standard for the assessment of the evidence. Such assessment must be rational, objective, and impartial in order to disprove the presumption of innocence and generate certainty about criminal responsibility. ... The Court reiterated that, in criminal proceedings, the State bears the burden of proof. The accused is not obligated to affirmatively prove his innocence or to provide exculpatory evidence. However, to provide counterevidence or exculpatory evidence is a right that the defence may exercise in order to rebut the charges, which in turn the accusing party bears the burden of disproving" In other words you are dead wrong and the nation's law is based on the principle of innocent until proven guilty.
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@mathew6 The gangs aren't other countries so why are you judging them by a standard applied to countries. Also El Salvador is also violating the American Convention of Human Rights which is enforced and which they ratified. You also forget Human Rights Council exists.
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@Tespri Have they tried implementing a RICO type law where they can charge the entire gang collectively?
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@KCJbomberFTW No that is just illegal for being murder. Human rights violations are worse offenses by governments like concentration camps, genocide, or suspending due process. El Salvador is guilty of the last one.
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@jtmassecure4488 I never advocated for their release. I am advocating for the restoration of due process.
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@lonebunny537 No the government is the one that has to follow human rights. As they are signatories of the American Convention of Human Rights.
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@ihaveajojoaddiction9592 No the trials are still not restored. And I call BS on them restoring it has been extended 15 times. It will more likely become permanent.
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@ihaveajojoaddiction9592 It has been a year and there are still under martial law so I don’t think it is too early. Particularly not when so many red flags are being given. For example Niyab is comparing the gangs to Nazis.
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So you are okay with taking down statues and erasing the memorials of the Confederate figures in the US?
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@napoleonfeanor That is the appeal to worse problems fallacy,
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Except that the trial is a kangaroo court.
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No they are. Due process is suspended for one thing.
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@michaelsorensen7567 That is not at all how the law works.
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@scottd7222 Due Process is a legal concept. You should probably explain why the hell an illegal gang would follow a legal process like that.
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@madtabby66 You know nothing about the law. This whataboutism of the gangs not giving due process shows nobody knows what the hell due process is. And tattoos aren’t legally admissible as a confession.
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@alexmartin6561 This is not their only option. RICO was always on the table.
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@alexmartin6561 It would be cheaper than building a megaprison. If they afford they afford passing a new law for taking down crime syndicates.
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@alexmartin6561 Really? Because you are going to need to reinstate trials anyways.
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@@trinitylovesyou6868 I don’t think he does know when to stop. He intends to run for a second term which is not allowed under their current constitution.
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No we don’t need more dictatorships.
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So I was right Nyaib is a dictator who is corrupt working with some gangs and unpersoning people. I am right wing and hate dicatorships and don’t support the destruction of statues or desecration of graves doesn’t matter who it is.
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@vinsmokedsanji9962 tell me you are fascist without telling me you are fascist.
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@vinsmokedsanji9962 You say but I point Niyab aiding and abetting certain gangs as a point against him.
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And now Bukele leads the biggest gang in the nation.
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@ringring8938 The only people using strawmen are the pro-Niyab side.
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@sultansal5917 They do. Don’t you remember Guantanamo Bay was one of the biggest controversies of the early 2000s? If you are referring to the prisons I mentioned in Easter Europe. They officially “don’t exist” so nobody knows where exactly they are.
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@sultansal5917 Abu Ghraib did have 17 soldiers punished for that. And that is just there. There are people who have been held accountable. And torture is no longer authorized against terrorists you can thank Trump for that.
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@UCzDwella201 He is just as corrupt as the rest. Did you miss he negotiated with the gangs?
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@TheSpArTaNs1962 Textbook whataboutism.
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@quagmoe7879 Collective good? Found the communist in this comment section.
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@rahulbhatt6097 Yes that is terrible too.
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@DELL473 You are just being absurd. Human rights are important for everyone.
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@cheddarman3619 I am not saying that I am saying a dictatorship isn’t the answer.
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@bap9416 That is appeal to popularity fallacy.
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@ihaveajojoaddiction9592 So you are fascist then good to know.
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What Sean means in a chicken or the egg question related to crime and poverty crime comes first.
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No they are people who understand the law and how dictatorships start.
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Mostly when the martial law continues.
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Not when the region is full of dictatorships again.
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No dictatorships aren’t based.
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@hustlebustle3986 Simple implement a RICO type law that lets you charge the entire gang collectively.
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@SiGa-i1r You don’t know what that fallacy is,
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@depressedessendonfan5702 No the ends don’t justify the means. This still bog down time and resources if they do end up restoring civil liberties and trials.
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@jesuschristislord77733 Someone is really not living up to their username.
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@fakedemocracy No it is the emergency powers were only supposed to be one month.
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@Woogeee No they only care about money terrorism isn’t about money.
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@jasonbfhfj8132 And that is how dictatorships are created which is a bad thing I think that is clear.
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@drno62 They want to change the constitution so he could run for a second term that doesn’t sound democratic.
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@channingtaintum I call BS on that. Probably have rigged the polls. And he is a dictator unless he gives up his emergency powers.
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@nateTrh There is no such thing as a good dictators they only help the people they need to appease to keep their power at the expense of everyone else. I have a suspicion for example that Niyab is not enforcing these crackdowns on the gangs he negotiated with earlier.
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@danonen7316 Ok grammar Nazi.
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@anmolfrost There is actually a need. Because criticism is sometimes honest and needs to be heard. That is the cause here.
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@youlaughyouphill842 How am I being racist here? I am not the one comparing people to animals or saying they aren’t human.
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@vortexgaming6775 No gangs are concerned about profit. Terrorist aren’t about profit. Also quit this hyper-partisan crap.
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rogerjamespaul5528 No restrictions of civil rights is not going to end well. They should emulate RICO from the US.
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@cath.lamontagne5357 The motivations are what separate them. Terrorists are motivated by political goals and use fear to achieve them. Gangs are motivated by profit and profit alone.
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@MsEricacosta You are one to talk about writing coherently.
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@goIumspartan117 The motivation is what separates them. Gangs care about money that is their motivation. Terrorist don't give a damn about money.
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@cath.lamontagne5357 Yes one is more is so more so as they have the power to hurt more people.
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@eduardopupucon My bad.
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@Skoomachu They care about profit. Terrorism is politically motivated. That is the difference.
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@jeffsmith688 I am not a gang member just a scholar who knows the dangers of martial law and the mob mentality. Sean has most of the same problems with the means used that I do but unlike him, I disagree with his assertion that the ends justify the means in this instance.
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@jairbeltran3402 No I understand what a dictator is. He fits the bill so far not giving up his emergency powers and ignoring the constitutional term limits.
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@jairbeltran3402 I know what goes on. I know hundreds die in prison when they haven't been convicted of a crime.
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@oaktownraider119 So you claim but they are still raiding houses and people are being held without trial and freedom of assembly and due process are gone which is literally the definition of martial law.
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@myst3rixusl3ftb3hind Extorting money isn’t terrorism. It is extortion the clue is in the name.
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That is not how human rights and nobody is convicted as the trials are suspended.
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You advocating for genocide now are you completely serious?
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That would be illegal in the US on many levels.
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@danielbyrne5402 The cheap conditions part implies that the conditions are going to be inhumane like throwing them in what amounts to a vertical coffin of a cell and not supplying ample food and water. That would be illegal.
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A dictatorship isn’t “getting it”
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When you are imprisoned without trial it is still only suspected. Innocent until proven guilty.
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Nope let’s hope he gets voted or at least gives up his power soon. This has gone on for far longer than it needed to.
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That would be extremely unconstitutional.
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@AdvantagePlayer You should because do you trust the governor to be a good leader and not abuse his power of the entire bill of rights was revoked?
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How about we don’t use the appeal to worse problems fallacy. I am sure you heard two wrongs don’t make a right.
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@daskampffredchen They did not confess in a court of law.
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@madtabby66 that is a nice strawman I never said that. I just said I support the rule of law and not a dictatorship.
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Impossible unless you support suspending the Bill of Rights.
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@ActualJusticeWarrior I feel it goes both ways. Destroying statues and graves is wrong.
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No it would one of the worst dictatorships in Latin America’s long history of dictatorships.
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@lordsneed9418 locking them up with no trial and due process and not giving up the marital law restrictions despite the crime rate being down and the fact it should have expired long ago.
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Dictator simp.
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@Tribuneoftheplebs So by your logic, if Kyle Rittenhouse was convicted, his parents, siblings, and other family members should have been imprisoned too?
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No city could get away with suspending the bill of rights.
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@YuckFouTube2 No he understand the issue better than you.
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@Vendéen32 And if you were to poll people in the Soviet Union they would say they loved Stalin forcing people into gulags and murdering 20 million. Dictatorships means you can’t say anything bad or you are next to be targeted.
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@CanadianEhHole Military being everywhere is never a good sign and that is what is being reported according to OP.
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@Stolas1777 Um no you are spouting nonsense. The police aren’t militarized in the US or fat. That is alarmist propaganda. And propaganda from the same group causing them to be undertrained because they cut their funding and make public reaction to police so negative that the experienced officers decide to retire early. Sean had made videos on this topic, I suggest you watch them. And US police unlike police in Central American nations like El Salvador aren’t known for being corrupt or in the pocket of the cartels.
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@yukiko6137 That is overkill in Poland for pushing people on subways. Just start enforcing fare evasion more strictly.
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@Tespri How many are happening behind closed doors?
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Franco was fascist piece of crap that came to power through force and didn’t need to remain in power for as long as he did. You dictator should move to a dictatorships if you love them so much.
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@PcCAvioN Not modern propaganda. The term was given a bad name because the last Roman Dicator Caesar made it so he remained in power well after the crisis was over.
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That is not how the law works. Unless you feel okay about being treated that way if you are accused of a crime.
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Doing this in America requires suspending the bill of rights are you really advocating for that?
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@somerandomperson6511 a democrat simping for dictator sounds about right.
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The votes are going to be stuffed with the gang members and dead people. That is if elections aren’t suspended “for the duration of the emergency”.
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By that logic the Great Recession should have caused a crime spike but it didn’t.
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@cttommy73 I am talking about the 2008 recession. And no the Great Depression in Germany didn’t cause a crime spike either. The Nazis themselves were biggest criminals before they got elected in a coalition government.
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Because that is illegal and morally wrong.
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@madtabby66 I never I was. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
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@kanjo4976 I have solutions. It is called RICO. Do that in El Salvador and crime would plummet and martial law could be lifted.
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I think Burkle might be a tyrant already. There was a deadline for marital law it was extended multiple times and now it has been a year since the crackdowns started with no end in sight despite the massive initial successes.
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@dh510 It is actually easy to give up that power. Lincoln did it after the Civil War ended. It is also better PR.
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Said the Nazis about many groups.
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TEl Salvador is in North America.
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At the cost of due process and basic freedoms.
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Or a dictator.
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So you are okay if El Salvador was to do an extermination program on anyone accused of being in a gang?
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@refundreplay You don’t win that way.
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Well there was police brutality and worse. Look up the Rampart Scandal. CRASH was a corrupt organization that became the thing it swore to destroy.
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But it comes at too big a cost. If we implemented what he did in the US we would be suspending the fourth fifth and sixth amendments.
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That and all the jailing of political dissidents and the police state.
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That violates three different amendments all in the bill of rights.
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Autocorrect sucks.
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Not really Zeleksky is at war with a foreign power. Nayib is a dictator convicting people without even charging them with any crime.
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@ifirespondiamstupid7750 You got it backwards. Russia has been antagonistic to Ukraine and broke their treaty.
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@stephen4121 I am not smug. I am just calling out everyone who thinks the ends justify the means or advocating even worse treatment because they are too smug to see where this will inevitably go.
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Yep cult of personality a hallmark of most dicatorships.
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@krillin876 I need some more explanation than that.
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If only people modeled the US RICO laws that would end the gangs and cartels and keep civil liberties and human rights intact.
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They are trading one bad guy for another. First it is the criminals and seeing as martial law is still in effect despite the gangs being locked up, political dissenters are probably next.
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I am not. The nation should have lifted Marshall law and restored due process by now. There is no reason to keep those things continuing unless the nation is now a dictatorship.
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@nicejokes7 There is a difference in that dictatorship is when one gang runs the nation.
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Seeing as it has been a year and they past the deadline for the emergency powers being given up multiple times it is too late.
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It already has. There was a deadline where this was supposed to be given up. We are well past it.
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So you are saying that if we systematically exterminate them in special camps that is okay?
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People aren’t defending criminals but defending due process and civil liberties still not given back despite the massive success meaning it frankly should have been returned to the citizens.
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Not really a grey area look at the dictator in the Philippines right now got into power the same way.
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We can’t do what El Salvador did as it would violate the Fourth Amendment, Fifth Amendment and Sixth Amendment.
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The answer is it will only end when the “president” is dead or out of power. They will not do anything except have their enemies meet “accidents”.
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@1685Violin You literally listed someone who is notorious for throwing people into the ocean out of helicopters and other who allowed a notorious famine in his country as benevolent? What the hell is wrong with you?
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@sneediumminer Because that is what dictators do. Remove anyone that threatens their power. And don't forget these "murdering drug dealers" are still not given a trial before imprisoned which Sean himself disagrees with.
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@wesleyworley8982 Ok Nazi.
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@bobbobb4804 I never said anything resembling what you claim I did. You are just creating a strawman.
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@bobbobb4804 I criticized them for holding people without trial and desecrating graves.
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@elpupusero The Germans didn't destroy graves.
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@Koda.R It still ruled by a inhuman person.
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@gamerkev30 And then we repeat those atrocities because we have them as a reminder of what we should avoid.
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@Dodgersfan150 You don’t even know what it means to unperson someone. You are spouting nonsense.
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@Lunk42 No they are people. Quit with the dehumanizing them crap.
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@trashgaming3810 Because you shouldn't go down to their level.
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@trashgaming3810 Because dehumanizing people is how things like the Holocaust happen.
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@jimmersion3808 No a police state is where police and military are at everyone corner, civil liberties are indefinitely suspended, and the government can unperson people.
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@DerUnglaublicheFrank I supported Donald Trump. Unlike Nyaib he hasn't tried to overturn the constitution.
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@giselle_kvm I am not defending them. I am just attacking Niyab there is a difference. Both the gangs and Niyab suck.
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@hopeyouaredoingwell4705 It shouldn’t make a difference.
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@moika2725 A police is just like you described it could be your last day as people who have a negative opinion of the regime get disappeared.
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@elliottdennis2014 FDR’s four terms weren’t a dictatorship. He didn’t suspend elections or parts of the constitution. Contrary to what you might think there was no law at the time against running for more than two terms as President. Also he wasn’t the first President to try running for more than two terms he was the only one to get elected more than twice. And he interned people America was at war at the time which is different from El Salvador’s gang problem.
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@gargadisnutsinyomouth I am looking at real life and it is getting there.
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@dreamcore7 That is bad take. And they shouldn’t be considered criminals until after they convicted of a crime. El Salvador has a presumption of innocence like the US.
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@trajectoryunown You are showing you know nothing about unpersoning means.
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@trajectoryunown Unpersoned is a term originating from George Orwell's 1984 and refers to the act of the Party completely erasing all records of a person existing. That is what is happening here. Not much else can describe completely destroying a grave.
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@trajectoryunown 1984 is not an instruction booklet man.
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@trajectoryunown 1984 isn’t meaning the end of society just a very possible dystopian future we could live in given the increased government surveillance, state control of the media, and in some countries, erasing records of individuals existing.
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@barakaobama4017 This dehumanization is part of the problem.
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@Turtle-k5w Agreed.
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@frjcde9392 Ah the appeal to worse problems fallacy.
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@CoatRaq No they don’t those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. There is a we still allow Auschwitz to stand.
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@CoatRaq Tell how are William Shakespeare, Thomas Jefferson and Ulysses S. Grant bad actors?
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@fissavids8767 And tried to foricibly enforce western culture in the nation. Cultural elimination is not a good thing.
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@slayerhuh404 I am not because both are equally evil and I am calling out the evil people are ignoring. Doesn't mean I am somehow in support of the other evil.
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@JallyJam Rome also became tyrannical dicatorship because of it.
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@jimmersion3808 No the logic is people being held without trial in prison with no due process involved.
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@gamerito100 No he wasn't. Still widespread famine in Madrid at the time.
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@marcusbullock630 I didn't I am just expressing the common sense logic that desecrating the dead is bad no matter who the dead are.
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@jimmersion3808 That El Salvador is now a police state seeing as the dictator in charge is holding people without trial for over a year in prison with no due process.
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@fissavids8767 No he tried to eliminate the local culture. And keep in mind that Serbia has a statue of a terrorist in Belgrade. So your point about his popularity is moot.
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@garyslayton8340 I would take 2015 El Salvador over 1930s Germany which is where it is going.
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@androkguz I am in favor of all of those except the first one because they haven't gotten their trial and I am not sure they ever will get it.
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@androkguz I wouldn't go so far as calling it a civil war. That implies the gangs have a legitimate political cause and not just seeking profit.
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@frosticle6409 Not recently . Ceaser became dictator for life.
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@frosticle6409 No that was before he assassinated.
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@frosticle6409 Well what is the empirical evidence for this theory.
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@Leechlordfestus Let me get this straight you think police states which means Pinochet Chile, East Germany the Soviet Union, North Korea, and Nazi Germany is preferable to having a serious gang problem?
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@Leechlordfestus Ben Franklin once said that any who traded freedom for security got and deserve neither. And it is going to that extent. Holding people for over a year imprison with no due process at all and destroying graves.
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@Leechlordfestus That is a logical fallacy. Every in prison right now is innocent seeing as they don’t have any trial.
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@Leechlordfestus But they haven't been proven guilty in a court of law.
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@Leechlordfestus On paper it is.
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@Leechlordfestus I mean crime is still high when you account for all the violations of international law and human rights that are occurring in there.
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@Leechlordfestus They are dying in prison though. And that statement makes no sense.
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People were saying that about Japan in the 1990 then it came crashing down.
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@Techsupport243 I am just saying El Salvador is such a small country some people in the comments evidently can’t find on a map (I found person who thinks it is in South America.) not likely to be significant economic powerhouse any more than East Timor.
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When Sean first reported in this story. I saw Due Process was suspended and decided I would give Bukele one year to being thinks back to the earlier status quo before I called him a dictator. It has been over a year so I think he is officially a dictator.
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Not really I wouldn’t call being convicted with no trial lucky.
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What is happening is illegal yet you are okay with that.
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In other words you are simping for a dictatorship.
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