Comments by "Gonken88" (@Gonken88) on "VICE Asia" channel.

  1.  @LemoBundr0  Why is it so hard for them to get their shit together? I mean nobody seems to be giving a fuck, they're just like waiting for a handout?
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  2.  @824-q4l  I have looked into it a lot, I didn't just watch a couple of docs and then simply concluded that life is hard no matter where you live. All the things you put forward are a reality everywhere on this planet, it's just that these people can't seem to make things work. They don't have jobs but they work their asses off for 200 pesos? - I mean, putting forward arguments like that, that refutes themselves is just silly. You'll notice that all of these docs are emotionally based, and they never really get to the bottom of the problems, though merely show the results thereof and call them problems. Your world view is based on giving and recieving, though your ancestors were more focused on creating.
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  3.  @824-q4l  And why do they have to do that? Because they don't form workers unions. We were working 12 hrs a day 6 days a week for peanuts in the north west 150 years ago too - but guess what? We got our shit together and nobody gave it to us. Yes it is easy to say "make it work" and it's hard to make it work, but none of that makes a good argument as to why these peeps don't mostly have themselves to blame. They argue over trivial things that makes no difference in the long run and they sit down and make interviews about how shit everything is. How about starting with cleaning up those nasty streets? Securing a clean water resource? Collecting plants and putting them in the ground? They don't need "complex nuanced solutions" - that's what we need for our economic system. These peeps need the most basic solutions to the most basic problems in the world, but instead they just complain.
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  4.  @minjung9390  Nothing was "given" to us. Only to the stoopid gen z:ers who are going to lead us to destruction with their constant "being offendedness". I'm glad I offended you, maybe got you to think for once, but sadly "they weren't given the right tools" was all that tired, pampered brain could produce. Question remains: why is it so hard for them to get their shit together? All they do is sit on their arses and complain. I can't do that and have success thrown in my lap.
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  5.  @minjung9390  Oops, somebody's too offended by logic and going into denial 😄. Better grab some 3rd party gratification in the process so you can feel better about it!
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  6.  @Kjw052  So what is it besides people not getting their shit together besides me being a privileged asshole? 🙂
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  7.  @Kjw052  And now you're down to 100% ad hominem tactics. Textbook 🙂
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  8.  @ThapeloMKT  I've been through this already. Taking care of the things you just listed is part of getting their shit together. You are used to having all of this taken care of because your ancestors gave a shit. These people weren't so lucky, so they'll have to take the first step and do something about it. Start by cleaning up the streets, grow food, take care of their animals so they can provide for them as well, start workers unions, help each other, stop repoducing until there is some form of acceptable living standard etc. Basic responsibilities.
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  9.  @ramonoliveira1036  Ok? Got any arguments or is your opinion only to be noted?
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  10.  @Gr95dc  Your reply is 100% ad hominem.
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  11.  @KitKatToeBeans  Are you projecting now? Me - angry? You peeps are angry with me for stating unflattering facts, and all you do is whine and attack me personally with emotional arguments etc 😄. And for that, I'm angry? Love, you can think whatever you want about me. Gonken = not shook.
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  12.  @Kjw052  Oh so the "you're downright stupid" and "no point in talking to you" only lasted for 15 minutes 😄? Nobody asked for your credentials, I've been to university too and you don't need any form of higher education to understand this issue. You talk about the government failing these people because you come from a society where there's always a government to blame. Governments are made up of people in their respective country, they're not this "entity" that forms above it all (sake for perhaps in America), and they can't do shit unless people are willing to help themselves first. When you see a bunch of people sitting in a nasty slum with garbage strewn everywhere, you know they don't give a shit - and that's the main issue. Mixing economics with just simple don'tgiveashitnics is exactly where you go wrong; countries like this aren't there yet.
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  13.  @ThapeloMKT  Wow, you'd be in the exact same situation the way you make up excuses. Like you said; they are thousands of people in trouble. They have the land they're living on and it looks like caca since nobody gives a damn. They could use that. Livestock eat grass, it provides rather than costs. It's a way up. Then you put forward a shit ton of problems associated with people who don't give a shit, and I agree, they are guilty of all that. So why can't they get their shit together and start working collectively to solve all those pretty basic problems? It's not like we're talking about an advanced market economy failing due to something happening on the other side of the world - these are all home grown problems. You present them as excuses though. All civilisations have faced these problems in their infancy, our ancestors fixed them. Sadly they're coming back in the west now thanx to gen Z, but still not an excuse. Cleaning the streets will do a lot; it will be the dawn of a new beginning and they'll get some hope to start building on. As you said, they are thousands of people, if they learned to co-operate they'd fix it. The egyptians built the pyramids without trucks youknow. Just more excuses. The people you describe in western societies are the same type; they don't care either and they never get it together either. You see the result. Nothing comes for free the way you seem to think. And as I've already said, these people are not at the point where job/education matters yet - they have to pick themselves up from the bottom first.
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  14.  @rudebwoytypeshi  What do you mean? I run a mile at 4 in the morning every day, I go fishing regulary and ride motorcycle. Like, what the fuck are you on about?
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  15.  @Kjw052  The people = the country, dear. Do not ask what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country. Funny how I'm privileged and all of youse just talk about how your "country" should fix everything for ya 😄. Have to start by thinking/working collectively, unlike these peeps 🙂.
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  16.  @KitKatToeBeans  They are the country, dear 🙂. They should focus on building decent communities and then maybe some infrastructure etc. Instead you're focusing on salaries in a country that'a probably still struggling with basic needa by the look of it.
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  17.  @justtekyra1313  Right, so why aren't they getting off their asses and do something about it?
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  18.  @kodo2345  I'm not american, "boomer" or "gen g". They are called "developing" because they never get their shit together. People don't have to give a shit about what other people struggled with and overcame - they only need to worry about their own lives and their own shit together. You only succeed in coming off as angry, and you argue like a pouty mouthed child. Thanks for playing.
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  19.  @HelloThere-vo1rh  I think it's more important to care for your blessings than to worry about other peoples curses. We can lose our blessings, and it's even about to happen. Most people in the west seem to take their rights and freedoms for granted these days.
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  20.  @HelloThere-vo1rh  I get what you're saying, I just think it's much more common for people in the west to take their blessings for granted and feel pity for people who keep making the same mistakes over and over, when they instead should resort to tough love against those people, and remember that our blessings are due to our ancestors' sweat and tears, not some kind of unfair miracle. Everybody have to learn for themselves one way or another, making up excuses doesn't help the slightest - it's true on an individual level, and it's true for society as a whole.
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  21.  @kodo2345  Proving my point exactly when you talk about high school education as if that's something that's just put into place - it isn't - civilisation starts before a universal school system. You just want to plug their society into the modern market economy before they've even learned to take care of their general surroundings. Yes you have internet because enough people in your country give a shit, so that you can have the privilege of posting comments on youtube. That's not the case in the vid - they don't give a shit at all. Believe me, whatever country you live in didn't recieve a functioning education system, banks, markets etc from above - at some historic point people started giving a shit and made things happen. 2nd reply You're saying that people in the west aren't privileged? I disagree, I can count our blessings even if we're about to lose most of them. Being born in a part of the world with a functioning system that takes care of its citizen = being privileged in my book. Maybe your demands are higher. I haven't raised my living standards, on the contrary I spent a good part of the 10s prepping for the situation we're now in  making sure I have 0 debt and can survive more than comfortably from the income I make on stocks. I believe in modesty and in some ways sustainability, I don't see why people need 5 bathrooms for a family. Sure the french got fed up with their ruling class but the bolshys just wanted to get rid of the intellectuals. They sure as shit got off their asses though - as was my point. No I'm not "r" American.
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  22.  @ayahjohnson9508  Well thank your lucky star there were people not sitting around on their asses doing nothing. A lot of people, if not all, struggle in life one way or another - some get their shit together some don't. Had you actually worked your way out of that hole yourself instead of having it given to you, maybe you wouldn't only be out of it, you'd be a better person as well. Now all you do is virtually telling people that they should expect their government to give them a house. Insanity.
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  23.  @ragemodels  Probably yeah.
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  24.  @grayseonsnow3704  But it's ok for you to air your opinion, eh? Hypocrisy 101 😄. I understood, but unlike you I can think for myself. Thank fuck we've still got freedom of speech 🙂.
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  25.  @oompaloompa6609  Yes, not every person can handle the truth without getting upset. Making an analogy with sickness and medicine is pretty accurate as people who lead unhealthy lives are more likely to get sick, as are lazy people more prone to become poor. Question is why this laziness and not-giving-a-shit attitude is more present in some places than others. If you're that worried about what people think about what you're saying, then maybe you should see a doctor. Ask him to prescribe a spine and a riaP< of sllaB< 🤤
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  26.  @oompaloompa6609  No matter how you shape a pile o' shit, it's still gonna stink.
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  27.  @dovespaligrino8312  You got offended by what I said because it's true and you've got no counter arguments beside the ones that have already been refuted, so you immediately resort to ad hominem tactics. Text book.
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  28.  @juniper617  No, my parents and grandparents gave a shit.
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  29.  Heycel  So the way to get out of this cycle is to not give a shit? What says that I give a shit just because my ancestors did? Will the world we leave behind be as good as the one we recieved? Are these people less responsible for their situation just because no-one gave a shit before them? This apologetic attitude is just perpetuating everything, it's as if you want them to be poor.
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  30.  @Boon-iv6pd  Well yes because their ancestors faught to give them those rights. If they don't work on defending them, they'll lose them and open the door for tyranny; all they gotta do is sit on their aesses. Besides, if you think a piece of cloth over your mouth stops micro organisms from entering your body, you must be very under-educated 🤤. Yes I do think most poor people are lazy.
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  31.  @tevaiteacerco969  Super-creative insult, I bet it took all the projection in your body to let that one out.
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  32.  @done675  Nobody? Freedom of speech - you don't have to be asked to vent your opinion. Just like you did right now.
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  33.  @omzy8700  Yeah my parents gave a shit and so did their parents. It has to start somewhere.
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  34.  @sneekizzle7127  A lot of words just to say that you don't like what I'm saying and that I'm a hypocrite for disliking ad hominem tactics while calling these people lazy. The difference is that I can conclude that people who are just sitting on their asses doing nothing to better their situation, even reproducing in an environment extremely unsuitable to kids, are lazy as it's a fact proven by their very behavior, as opposed to going on an angry rant resorting to name-calling just because one is upset by some uncomfortable truth. If they'd listen to me they'd have a reason to actually do something, while listening to the likes of you only gives them more excuses to continue being lazy. People who feel sorry for themselves give up - that's what these people have done. What the fuck does my "insecurities" or my "insensitivity" have to do with any of this? Rhetorical question, answer is of course nothing.
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  35.  @sneekizzle7127  What are they complaining about then? Seriously, if my home gets destroyed and I "better" my situation by building a tin shack in my nations capital, produce a couple of kids and then sit on my arse in the middle of a dump and wish for better times, I don't think I deserve any better. And of course you're free to make any "observations" about me you like, but if you use them as some kind of argument to refute what I'm saying about the subject at hand, it becomes ad hominem tactics, dear. If I'm this that or the other it really has no relevance since the subject isn't me here. I can be a snivveling creep and still be right. What does them being lazy have to do with them sitting in a dump, doing nothing and reproducing without even having access to a real home and proper hygiene etc? I'll let you figure that one out yourself because I feel like it's one of those questions aimed to lower the level of the discussion. I'ma gonna sleep now so I wont reply for 8-10 hours and maybe not after that either depending on whether you're gonna post another "you're still an xxxxx" or something new.
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  36.  @sneekizzle7127  Sigh double post, as I said I'ma gonna sleep and if you're that agitated that you're actually gonna double post and shit I'm really not interested. This is not rocket science.
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  37.  @sneekizzle7127  But you see you still talk a lot about me which is strange when we're talking about poor people in a foreign country, meaning you're changing the subject, meaning you don't have very good arguments. Fact remains; if your life is in the shitter and you wanna get up, the first thing you do is tidy yourself up, then the place where you live, then your surroundings and start doing something constructive - you don't just sit in it, have a couple of kids and complain, which is exactly what these people are doing no matter how you try to twist and excuse it. How they got there or why they got there is completely irrelevant to the fact that they're doing nothing to get out of there. It's that very attitude that keeps them there.
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  38.  @sneekizzle7127  But it is as simple as I'm making it. And there should be zero paragraphs about me - am I talking about you? You're making up excuses and I just told you that the hows and whys are irrelevant, it's the heres and nows that matter.
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  39.  @sneekizzle7127  Remove the relocation from the government and they'd still be sitting there, yeah?
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  40.  @sneekizzle7127  Oh yes, very irrelevant to your "points" but not to mine.
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  41.  @sneekizzle7127  Sure, cool story brah 🤷‍♂️
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  42.  @stonedalldayjedi533  You have to have suffered from mental illness to be able to cure it?
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  43.  @stonedalldayjedi533  Exactly, I'm not emotional, I'm objective.
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  44.  @stonedalldayjedi533  Good.
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  45.  @stonedalldayjedi533  Educated I am, university and all, which makes me able to distancr myself from the subject and make an objective statement. Uneducated people are more prone to make emotional and opinionated statements as they lack any sort of fact based frame of reference to base their statements on. The fact that you mix it all together based on your personal opinion and want to defame people who don't agree with you, basically calling them heartless, is just childish and proof that the subject is well over your head. Looking at something and becoming emotional is something a child can do - taking a step back and actually apply some analytic skill is something that takes intellect and self-distance, and even though it's nothing to be "proud" of, it's certainly a lot better than the boo-hoo attitude/arguments. Let's remember that right now your only argument is that you don't like what I say or how I'm saying it, but the subject is poor people in the Philippines; talk about taking a long walk from the subject.
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  46.  @stonedalldayjedi533  Thanks for proving my point. "Essay" 😂
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  47.  @stonedalldayjedi533  And some projection as well. Work on hiding that frustration a little better eh?
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  48.  @thysonsacclaim  Wouldn't want to perpetuate your denial.
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  49.  @troy4298  You mean I'm holding my own against a shitstorm of idiots and you don't like that so I should shut up? I mean, saying what you just did just goes to show the low level of arguing skills and vocabulary you have to have to not see that my point is valid, so thanks I guess.
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  50.  @troy4298  That's not solely what I've been saying, but that's what you manage to salvage from it with the mental tools that you possess. You haven't presented a single counter argument to refute anything I've said, but you still tell me that I'm wrong. That proves my point; you're pissed because you disagree but you have no arguments, and that's why you use general consensus and ad hominem tactics as substitute. It's textbook, mate. You're shitting yourself bigtime and I don't care whether you acknowledge it or not - it's still a fact. (And I know you don't agree - that's half the point) Edit: did you thumb up your own comment as well? Add that to the textbook examples of someone lacking arguments as well.
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