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  682. Just a few examples of violence in the Quran (there are many more): Quran (8:12) - "(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels... "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end." Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah" Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..." Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy." Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..." Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews.
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  714.  @littleredwritinghead3781  Well yes, initially you replied by just saying "deflection and defensiveness never convince the listener that you guilt isn't there. It only makes us see you more clearly." which was a fine piece of rhetoric, but I, in fact, wasn't deflecting at all. You seemed confused over what I meant by "one of their own" and I clarified, while also replying to the part where you made the whole thing personal, which in turn probably is the only card you have to play to make any kind of point in the subject, which was black people being over represented in crime statistics - the point being that I'm an idiot. Yes, by all means, white men are statistically more likely to become serial killers. One could argue that this is due to sexual repression being more common among white males, or that they're more successful criminals than their black counterparts. I feel no shame whatsoever being a law abiding white person, over the fact that some of "my kind" are fucked in the head, most of them are, and the number seems to be growing. No reason to deny a fact, even if it's unflattering. Doesn't affect me the slightest, I'm just glad that I'm a "normal" white guy and not a serial killer white guy. It's absolutely a fair argument to bring up when talking about serial killers though, but we're not right now. I am not hate at all, I'm perfectly calm and open minded as a person. I'll make friends with any type of person and we'll tell each other racist jokes about each other's races, whether it's about white dudes having small dicks or black dudes stealing TV's or being lazy, who gives a shit? The person I heard laughing the most over what I considered to be a very racist joke, is a guy from Colombia, and he deemed the joke "almost a bit racist", while most white people considered it to be off the charts. I'm not going to quote it here, but stereotypes are funny. You on the other hand come off as a really dull fuck, who brings politics into everything. If you so incredibly easily provoked that you go this kind of bananas over simple terminology, I think that you're in fact the hateful one, and again, maybe projecting this on me, because I represent everything you hate. Maybe you should see a therapist? After all, the fact that black people are over represented in american crime statistics is turned down by you by simply comparing it to saying "most serial killers are white", meaning that it would be wrong to over generalize saying that all white people are serial killers just because a white guy killed someone. Do you understand that there's a difference in saying that "most criminals are black" and saying "most black people are criminals?", just as there's a difference in saying "most serial killers are white" and saying "all white guys are serial killers"? When you turn those things around to fit your own agenda the moment somebody opens their mouth and mentions race related statistics, I think (THINK) that's a pretty clear sign of delusion. I actually THINK that you are deluded, especially by the way you project yourself in this thread, as if you actually were so above and beyond people who refute what you're saying that you hardly even have to argue your point in an intelligent way. So pretty please, if this is about me being a racist because I'm rude enough to contemplate the fact that white on black violence in America, is at least, statistically, a smaller issue, than black on black violence, then that's a fallacy on your behalf. Not saying that all black people are violent, I'm clearly saying that black people are also victims of these crimes, I'm just saying that this whole "white cops kill black people with a passion" bullshit is in fact bullshit. She was convicted, justice was served, why make it into more than that?
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  740.  @ThapeloMKT  Wow, you'd be in the exact same situation the way you make up excuses. Like you said; they are thousands of people in trouble. They have the land they're living on and it looks like caca since nobody gives a damn. They could use that. Livestock eat grass, it provides rather than costs. It's a way up. Then you put forward a shit ton of problems associated with people who don't give a shit, and I agree, they are guilty of all that. So why can't they get their shit together and start working collectively to solve all those pretty basic problems? It's not like we're talking about an advanced market economy failing due to something happening on the other side of the world - these are all home grown problems. You present them as excuses though. All civilisations have faced these problems in their infancy, our ancestors fixed them. Sadly they're coming back in the west now thanx to gen Z, but still not an excuse. Cleaning the streets will do a lot; it will be the dawn of a new beginning and they'll get some hope to start building on. As you said, they are thousands of people, if they learned to co-operate they'd fix it. The egyptians built the pyramids without trucks youknow. Just more excuses. The people you describe in western societies are the same type; they don't care either and they never get it together either. You see the result. Nothing comes for free the way you seem to think. And as I've already said, these people are not at the point where job/education matters yet - they have to pick themselves up from the bottom first.
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  749.  @chrissy1059  Yeah, a lot of noise from someone who's just followed the mainstream media narrative and thereby think they're enlightened just because they lack any sort of real knowledge or frame of reference. First of all, the bright minds referred to by the msm are far from the brightest minds in the world; they're merely paid (bribed) puppets whose "scientific research" has been conducted in a way that starts with the wanted outcome. No research with an open, undecided agenda gets any sort of contribution, neither from the UN nor from any state. It's also ignored by the msm who's in the same "club" nowadays. On the contrary to what you're saying, the world's greatest minds are very upset with where we're headed, and the rise of alternative media is greater than ever. I'd link to several PhD based alternatives, but of course YT delete such comments within 20s since they care so much about you... Read "The 1st global revolution" from 1994 and things will start to clear. Second of all, yes I am pretty smart and enlightened as I'm at the 18th % according to Mensa and I have studied these political issues both in and out of university for 10 years now. I've been politically active in my countrys 2nd largest party and have got a good feel for how the political climate has evolved the last 10 years, and how they control people like you with fear, and how they laugh behind your back while you're running their errands. Third of all, you are correct when you say that nature isn't lying, and that's why she's constantly assuring us that nothing is out of the ordinary. Events that went unreported in the past are blown up to gigantic proportions and statistics are completely falsified as the Rockefellers claim oil to be a dead asset while buying up oil stock at dirt cheap prices when the 🐑 go along with the propaganda. In short terms; you haven't got a clue as to what's going on and I wouldn't be surprised if you ran to get the 💉 as well, which means talking to you is a complete waste of time.
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  1193.  @kodo2345  Proving my point exactly when you talk about high school education as if that's something that's just put into place - it isn't - civilisation starts before a universal school system. You just want to plug their society into the modern market economy before they've even learned to take care of their general surroundings. Yes you have internet because enough people in your country give a shit, so that you can have the privilege of posting comments on youtube. That's not the case in the vid - they don't give a shit at all. Believe me, whatever country you live in didn't recieve a functioning education system, banks, markets etc from above - at some historic point people started giving a shit and made things happen. 2nd reply You're saying that people in the west aren't privileged? I disagree, I can count our blessings even if we're about to lose most of them. Being born in a part of the world with a functioning system that takes care of its citizen = being privileged in my book. Maybe your demands are higher. I haven't raised my living standards, on the contrary I spent a good part of the 10s prepping for the situation we're now in  making sure I have 0 debt and can survive more than comfortably from the income I make on stocks. I believe in modesty and in some ways sustainability, I don't see why people need 5 bathrooms for a family. Sure the french got fed up with their ruling class but the bolshys just wanted to get rid of the intellectuals. They sure as shit got off their asses though - as was my point. No I'm not "r" American.
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  1218. So what is wrong with the no stars, no blast crater and "optical irregularites" arguments? That they're based on poor understanding of science is not an argument, it's just another claim? This whole effort on focusing on the "conspiracy theorists" is just classical ad hominem tactics and completely irrelevant, as it's not like most people who don't believe in them all understand the science behind the events; it's also just about faith. On the contrary I'd say that the people who dare to question the mainstream views on any subject are less of followers than the mindless herds of sheep who keep on following mainstream politicians and media year after year without questioning anything. History keeps repeating itself for reason, and that reason mainly is that people become too comfortable and gullible, thus they give away their rights and freedoms for others to control them in exchange for community and cheap entertainment. Free thinkers are the biggest threat against this downfall though, and that's why we're now seeing censorship on the internet which is applauded by the real sheep (the mainstream followers) since they so firmly believe that nothing bad or dangerous can come out of a "monopoly of truth". Hell, the free word was invented on universities but if you go there now you'll find that any step outside of the mainstream beliefs will get you in trouble instantly. Is that really a good thing? And who's deciding that it should be that way? People who've been talking shit in the past have never been shut up, they've been allowed to make a laughing stock of themselves, but when people talk "shit" about 9/11, the 2008 financial crisis, the moon landings and other things they're instantly shut down these days. Is that freedom of opinion, speech and press? That's what's important since that's what democracy rests on, not the fact if people are 100% right or wrong. Nothing bad can come out of the fact that some or even a lot of people don't believe we went to the moon. It's a great thing if people dare to ask for evidence if they're not convinced - the basis of critical thinking is to always start out in opposition (though a lot of people seem to think that being opposed to all opposition = being in opposition). Actually the biggest sign of a moron is when people make up their minds without actually knowing. I know what my name is, I know what's in my fridge but I don't know that we actually went to the moon, among other things that I don't know and therefore I keep an open mind. What I do know for sure is that it's a corrupt world and that politicians lie, by own experience as I've been politically active in my country, and that the mainstream media's job isn't to inform people or let them make up their own mind as that would make the jobs of the politicians way too hard, but rather to keep them on a need to know basis. Connecting the dots between the big events in this world takes years of practice and it's becoming increasingly harder due to the vivid censorship that way too few people are making a fuss about. This was an issue before the french revolution as well and we need to remember that it's more important that people get to express their beliefs even if we don't agree with them.
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  1902.  @Richjack3  First paragraph: Nice excuses you've come up with to hide the fact that your logic is flawed. It still is though. You're obviously showing compassion because it feels good to you, not because it is in any way due. Narcissistic trait if anything. Second paragraph: My point wasn't that they lack empathy or compassion, my point was that they set it aside while doing their job to be able to make sound and rational decisions. You think that one can be both emotional and critical - you can't, and that's why I brought up those examples. That the points keep flying over your head is the biggest issue. Third paragraph: How I know they're fishing for likes? I don't "know" they are, but by thinking critically and knowing how the world and human mind works I can easily draw that conclusion. You don't think critically so it becomes impossible to you. Great demonstration. And by your own flawed logic - how on Earth would you know that most people leave comments like that out of compassion? Because it feels better to think so, obviously. It's also the most common type of comments to receive the most likes = it's the most common reaction which means the world should already be a better place if emotional response was the key to success. On the contrary, reality has always shown that critical thinking is what leads to progress in society, so again you made something up that sounded good based on emotions. New paragraph: I think you're just looking to argue, but you're obviously not used to having your thoughts refuted (which I'm sure you'll refute).
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  2176.  @omarsameer2809  Well then you're basically refuting everything I just said by simply saying "no", though it was not a matter of "yes or no", but a matter of argument by fact and logic. "No" is not an argument, it's more of a claim, in this context. I understand the fact that you're brainwashed/indoctrinated (whatever you want to call it) and that you for that very sake, simply aren't persuaded by facts or reason anymore. Your view of life revolves around "faith", which has nothing to do with fact or logic, but rather with emotion. My respone to what is actually real ignorance, obviously provoked your faith, thus your brain is applying the first natural defence mechanism it has when it's subjected to "information" that challenges what's become "the norm" in its way of thinking, namely denial. It's then using the next defence mechanism in line; projection - I'm the ignorant one, not you. This has to be the case because otherwise you've been wrong your whole life, and making a revelation like that can actually shatter a person's mind completely, thus of course the mind protects itself. The fact that you as a grown man (I presume) think that you can refute just over an A4 paper with pretty objective and solid arguments, challenging what's probably undisputable truth to you, with just one sentence of denial, just bears witness to how deattached from reality you really are. It also shows your complete lack of democratic values, as you're not even prepared or perhaps able to defend your views, in a polite and objective discussion. "You are wrong and I am right, nuff said" that's your "rhetoric". That's also called being "obstinate", and it's a common trait among young children rebelling against their parents, but that's not a problem within Islam, since hitting your kids is considered OK to this day, am I right? (I know I am, it was a rhetorical question) Pointless to argue against people like you, but I'm always keeping young confused people who might read threads like this, in mind. They need every voice of reason they can get in this sick world, and I will provide it for as long as I'm still in it.
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  2188.  @omarsameer2809  Hello again Omar! I thought we agreed on the fact that everything I said was true and right, yet here you are again with your "no"-arguments. That input wasn't even directed to you, but since you've again awoken to reply and seem to already have forgotten your lesson, let me fill you in as to why you are wrong. Of course, the "holy war", (that is the war on the infidels), is the only war relevant to islam, as this is the "jihad", or "struggle" for any muslim; to not rest until the whole world abides under sharia law. This is of course also the only reason for your people to be colonizing the whole world as we speak, otherwise they'd stay in their home countries, worshipping in peace. It is true that in order to forward the islamic agenda in western societies, many of these verses are now being reinterpreted, by islamic propaganda sites like "Discover the truth", so it better fits the "only violence in defence"-argument, although it's proven a complete fraud and typical taqiyya (lying in the name of spreading islam). I know all about the arguments about the attacking Byzantine army, which defies actual historical events, and other such nonsense used to portray islam as a victim even in ancient times. Propaganda made to make people outside of islam to believe that the snake in the garden is not poisonous. Now, writing this, I actually started out writing explaination to at least some of the quoted verses I recently posted, but as I'm aware of you very poor English, lack of arguing skills and last but not least the enormous effort it would require from me to write all of this crap down, I think I'd rather just submit a link to a site where each and everyone of these verses are explained through context, and also where the islamic propaganda machine's effort to have them seem more "peaceful" is debunked. Just click on the "Response to apologist" (that would be you in this case) to have every attempt at making these verses look like anything but what they actually are, debunked. Happy Reading at: https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx And oh, I'm already fully aware that your response to this is "no", so if that's the main argument of your input, save the effort. *Edit: I changed "verything" into "everything" on the top.
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  2190.  @omarsameer2809  You and I are the only two persons still writing in this thread, so how in the name of 72 virgins would I be able to have read someone elses reply? You wrote: "all these verses were for certain circumstances in a war as the non muslims fought and tortured the prophet and the other muslims and they tried several times to kill the prophet so it's a natural thing to defend themselves " Which is pretty nonsensical with regards to the quotes from the quran that I wrote. And don't forget that islam is always at war, holy war even, which is jihad, and that has little to nothing to do with fastening, and being a muslim I am absolutely SURE that you're aware of this, and this of course means that even by your logic, these verses always applies. Perhaps you're applying a little bit of taqiyya to actually blatantly lie in this thread to help better the image of islam? Totally OK with your religion if this is the case. If there are people trying to distort the meaning of these verses, it can only be people like you. The website I linked to goes to great lengths explaining both the meaning of the verses, and the lies of islamic propaganda trying to say otherwise. Let's just take a look at a couple of them here and contemplate for ourselves in all simplicity. "Quran (8:12) - "(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels... "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" >>> Now this verse says that Allah will terrorize NON-BELIEVERS, and that muslims should cut off those people's heads and fingers. It is in no context of self defence. You can say otherwise, but any person with a free mind that's not clouded by indoctrination will clearly see what the message is. Had it it said "If you're attacked by someone, cut off their head" it would have said to cut heads off in self defence. But it doesn't. "Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews." >>> This verse says that muslims should fight whoever doesn't believe in Allah or his judgement on "the last day", an also all the people who don't believe in "the religion of truth" which of course is islam. Even people who are jews and christians are to be fought until they subdue to islam. This is not self defence, this is spreading the religion by force. I know that you're already shaking your head and disagreeing, because you're not bound by logic and reason, but blind faith alone. You even said yourself now that you know the religion best, since it's "your" religion, which means that you are BIASED*, which means that you're *NOT objective. You are defending your religion, as this is your duty, and you are brainwashing yourself by reading, re-reading and "learning" this doctrine by heart. That's what brainwashing is, you see. What I'm doing is the opposite - I study with an open mind and learn about islam, not how to be a muslim. Also, the site wasn't aimed directly at you, as I think that you're a lost cause at this point, but there may be other people looking for truth and answers in this mess, and they might find that site useful. And I must say that your English is perhaps not horrible when it comes to spelling, but with 0 punctuation and no paragraphs it becomes pretty horrible to the eye. It's like a long rant with just one beginning and one end. Arabic grammar perhaps? Last but not least; your thoughts on the fact that one of the attacked mosques was labeled "terrorist recruit center" by the New Zeeland government? You never answered that.
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  2193.  @Shademastermcc  Favourable and unfavourable are just other words for right and wrong. You usually want the favourable outcome, yes? That would make it the right decision. You either gain or you lose. Our societies are built on Christian values which helps determine what's favourable and not when no personal gain stands to win. You shouldn't kill, steal, lie etc. If you remove those rules, our morality, you can make whatever point you want, but it will be pointless in the context. Yes, pride leads to hubris. You think highly of yourself and eventually you'll overestimate yourself. And yes, it's a bad thing; tell me one athlete who've said "I got hubris and won". It's always the opposite; they think they have it in the box, get hubris and lose. Nothing new. And then you go on a long rant basically just describing how civilised society came to; a series of right decisions passed down from generation to generation, in our case mostly based on Christianity. It's not rocket science, the basic concept of morality and what's right and what's wrong is the first thing you take on when you take your first philosophy class. It's all theoretical though. "Is it morally correct to use criminally attained money to help starving children" etc. As for your question to me: Everybody would change some decisions if they could relive their lives. Most of them would probably have gotten into crypto. It's not a great philosophical question, the answer is yes in literally 99,99% of the cases. Eh Plato? 😅
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  2654.  @JBliehall  Yes please go on, because he actually does provide evidence for everything he says throughout the doc except for a few things where there reasonably can't be any evidence though the surrounding events give support enough. I don't know if the dinner the night before was meant to be taken literally, but LBJ's ex wife makes an appearence confirming that there was a meeting and that LBJ was upset. There is a photo of a man looking very much like Bush standing outside the TSBD and there was a reference to some expert in body composure that pointed out certain things that matched like the cocking of the wrist in the pocket. The storm drain shooter is named and shamed and it's possible to look up the event further, it's not just "a guy". There weren't eight cuban shooters, only a few of them were cubam and all of them are presented with name and there are interviews with other assassins who were offered the job. What you're doing is not critical thinking, it's rathet trying your damndest to refute what's basically a theory (we'll never come close to anything else) that makes sense and where all the holes that can't be filled unless you were actually a part of the plot are filled with reasonable explainations for reasons that are your own. Maybe you're scared by the whole nwo aspect that's playing out right before our eyes as of now and resort to denial whenever you can, or maybe you don't believe in "conspiracy theories". I have watched the CIA funded 9 part doc that was mentioned in the movie and a bunch of other docs on the subject, and there's absolutely none other to this date that connects the dots in a better way and puts the whole deed into the greater perspective than this doc. You're of course free to think what you want based on your preferences, but I'll always recommend this doc, not so much for the sake of JFK but rather to expose people of the corruption that runs through this world.
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  2673.  @jaymiddleton1782  Yeah I'm really impressed with your attitude. Granting the fact that the climate is constantly changing as we've been through ice ages and that there were no polar ices 70 million years ago still makes one a "climate change denier", just goes to show your inabiliy to even consider any world view that you haven't been brainwashed to accept. All people of all times have believed in the coming of an apocalypse though, you're no different, and the motives for scaring people haven't changed either. It's really not harder than consider the fact that this little ball has been bombarded with meteorites that have killed every living thing on the surface, has been completely engulfed in flames, has had 1000s of ppm of co2 in its atmosphere in the past, has always recovered, and now we're destroying it forever with 100 years of industrialisation. Then you can become really scientific with solar spots and other cyclic events, but if anything occurs more seldom than every four years, most peopöe would statistically have a great deal of trouble remembering och relating to it. Also your very gullible perception of what globalism means for the little person almost makes me believe that you, like me, have gone through the fostering process of studying political science. Camouflaging the centralization of political power as an attempt to save the world, while international trade and freedom of travel would in fact be the least "climate friendly" option there is to consider, would make one think that more people would at least question this, but you'd be surprised how hard it is for most people to even practice logic. Of course it all makes a lot more sense if you read "The first global revolution", which was written as the agenda for the meeting in Rio in the early 90s, stating that man made climate change by carbon dioxide is a perfect way of speeding up the process of globalization, as the oil crisis, ozon hole and mineral depletion had all failed in doing this. You don't even have to tell me that you're too far gone in your delusion to even consider that you've been fooled, and I'm 100% sure that you can recite 80% of the UN's propaganda machine's statistics, telling you that you're basically too dumb to vote, so they should do it for you. It's no wonder 97% of climate reasearch shows that we have a man made climate change when you look at where 100% of the funding for such research comes from, but we're not going to indulge in what's cosidered "credible sources". I usually go with one of the 3%s, retired climate researcher and phd Lars Bern, who's got very little to benefit in terms of money when it comes to facts about climate change. You're free to join the cult as much as you like. Hopefully it turns into a suicide cult, to decrease your carbon footprint.
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  2674.  @jaymiddleton1782  Of course I'm wrong, I never expect someone who's religiously convinced that the end is near and that we're all going to die from something that's solved by ridiculous "green investments" that does jack shit to actually lower the total CO2 emissions on planet earth, though it makes a lot of people a lot of money and a lot of careers, to even begin to reconsider his world view. In part I feel sorry for people like you, because it's obvious that you're being controlled by fear, and probably driven by ego as you think that you're on some crusade to "save the planet", while left wing "green" parties are already tearing down borders throughout the whole of the EU, with collapsing welfare and skyrocketing crime statistics as a result - problems we're bound to deal with long before we can set out on the task of "saving the planet", as if that would be a task for humans. I like how you actually seem to genuinely believe that we have to do something about this "fast", as this is something proclaimed by what I refer to as "the globalists", while we're at the same time experiencing perhaps the biggest "awakening" since the french revolution, where people are actually starting to question the political and global direction we're headed in, with mainly "saving the planet" as an excuse for taking this direction. Now it's "Agenda2030", before it was just "Agenda21", but they've realized that if they keep the doors open for almost a century ahead, they can basically stick their agenda up their asses right of the bat, because people are starting to catch on. That's why they say that we have to do something fast - but I don't think you've read up on "the first global revolution" quite yet, or even started to get a feel for the political climate we're currently living in, and how information is used as a weapon these days. Time was short already when George Soros financed "An uncomfortable truth" by Al Gore, and if anything in that movie (don't want to call it a documentary) was true, it would have been staring everybody in the face by now. It doesn't. Therefor I don't think it's a good idea to tare down the whole industrialized world, putting people on the street by the millions because they don't have a job, making energy even more expensive than it already is, or make people starve because there's no realistic way of transporting food. Speaking of food; we're supposed to become vegans, right? How in fuck's name do these savetheworld-hippies suppose we're going to get manure to fertilize the soil that we grow our food in if we're not allowed to raise cattle for meat anymore? Of course the answer is synthetic fertilizer, which turns the soil into a junkie and we can't grow anything without it. Too bad the ingredients for such fertilizers are "a limited resource". Of course Lars Bern has been a scientist, though his very credible input in the subject has caused the mainstream media, which you allow to brainwash you willfully, to discredit him on a personal level, so that whatever he puts forward can be refuted by the "fact" that he's a conspiracy nut. And of course your opinion (I doubt if you have made any research or experiments on your own) weighs more heavily than his years of experience, and professional opinion. He's not alone either, as you imply by saying that I'm taking one scientist's (which he apparently isn't) word for something that's refuted by the broad mass of scientists who have gone through university getting climate hysteria propaganda absolutely banged into their poor heads, to which they have to swear truth to even have a chance of getting a degree these days. Then they have to get funding alternatively get into a project that already has fundings, and there is virtually no funding handed out to projects that aim to question what we already "know". We're actually joking about this in Sweden now, where phD's have to take a backseat to 15-yearold girls with suspected Aspergers, when it comes to actual science. He's supported by many others, ironically most of them have most of their careers behind them, and don't stand anything to win anymore, which should always be your number one priority when looking at something proclaimed as "truth". Who benefits? This then comes down to how you feel about corruption, and some people don't believe that it exists, other people believe that it exists but they don't think they'll ever be a victim of it, and then there are people like me who expect it to be more or less everywhere where people can make a career out of lying. You eat it up, I already know that, but there might ever so often stumble along a young and confused person who don't know what to believe anymore, and it's important to put forward some alternative to you doomsday mongers. Last but not least; YES it has been warmer on this planet than it is today, by far. I don't feel like repeating myself, but again, no dinosaur ever saw any polar ices, because there were none back then. If you look at real statistics (old statistics), you'll see that it's actually rather cold on earth right now. Colder than average, but not colder than it was 25 years ago. But if you can recall 25ish years back in time, scientist actually said that we were still heading out of an ice age, so it all makes sense. But again, four years plus and it's another age another dimension to most people. Sorry Jay Middleton, I'm not preparing for the sky to fall down on my head just yet.
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  2675.  @jaymiddleton1782  And to reply your accusation of me being scared of the "jew agenda" which you seem to instantly connect to the global agenda. First of all, I think you should learn to tell the difference between jews and zionists, just as there's a difference between muslims and islamists. One is the followers of a religion and the other is like some form of political religion that we're all happy to do without I believe, unless your moral values are on a different level, I don't know you that well. The fact that you fail to see that a centralization of power, thus removing power from sovereign nations in the end is going to lead to democratic decay and eventually elitism, which is more PC word for totalitarianism, is just further evidence of the fact that you have your head in the sand and no idea what you're talking about. You basically think that the UN is a climate saver and that the UN is short for "human rights watch" or something equally cute. This just means that you need a reality check, and I'm not handing out those. Maybe you're in favor of a world where everything is decided for you, and to be honest, with your inability to think for yourself, that might make sense. I don't want that kind of world at all, and I've been politically active enough to know that there is very little interest for "human rights" in most of your mainstream parties in Europe. I was very young and dumb back then though, and worked my ass off to get our globalist alliance elected on a national level, and we're still living in the aftermath of that since 2006. I was a bit like you; I believed what I was told.
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  2676.  @jaymiddleton1782  I was? I could swear I was attacking your gneral world view, though you might not percieve it as such. The fact that I "don't make much of an argument either" most likely just means that you just don't have an answer for it, because my ridicule of your world view makes sense, even if it usually isn't the best approach. No Al Gore's movie wasn't a scientific paper, but it was definitely presented and percieved by most of the time as such, and you've got nothing to say about the suspicious sponsorship? No hidden agendas there? You think they just made the movie back then to entertain people and be ridiculed 10 years later? You see, that's where people like you and I differ; you just put that in the past and go "but I bet they're right now". And since they can predict the weather tomorrow they can predict the weather in 10 years? We were warned last winter that the summers here would become increasingly fierce in the future (we had the warmest in decades last year) and wouldn't you know we had the coldest nights in june for 50 years, and just a normal shitty, rainy summer with snow in the northern parts of the country. I think you're just a little bit too easily fooled by these models, and mind you the statistics of the "old world" doesn't look the same now as it did in the 50s. And yes, I "attacked" veganism, and your response was pretty thin I must say. How in fuck's name are we going to feed more people the same thing, with less land? Crops and potatoes take up less land when it's grown for vegans? Or is this something you copied and pasted from a "becomevegan" internet site? And I wish you good luck feeding the earth's population with fertilizers that don't include manure or synthetic materials that destroy the soil, the only reason people stopped starving in the 20th century was because of the agricultural industrialization. But hey, if it generates less CO2 it must be better. Funny that I'd hit a bullseye by mentioning veganism, though you thought it was grabbed out of nowhere anyway. So Lars Bern isn't a conspiracy nut, though I get most of my facts regarding these subjects from him because I trust him and his experience and education, but you're calling me a conspiracy theorist? Just when it suits you, eh? Of course he's been a researcher, you can deny this all you want, but it's still a fact He's currently engaged in a freelance media initiative with the goal of making people aware of how badly they're getting fooled by the mainstream media and politicians, relying solely on donations to make it work. Yes, you guessed it, I donate monthly. Investing money in debunking climate change is not corruption, it is what it is. Using climate change to fool people into believing that they're the ones causing it is though. This is still something that hasn't even been actually proven either. And I note that you refuse to touch on the fact that there were no polar ice 70 million years ago, though you'll probably do it in your next response, but now I'm apparently a moron so what good will it make to try and convince me? I'm a conspiracy theorist and a moron who thinks that collective problems might be thought up to create collective solutions, meaning a globalized shithole with all the historic dots connected, while you are brainwashed by mainstream media and think that the world is going to end within one generation. I don't know which one is more "out there". And with regards to the last little provocation you left; right back at you, I guess.
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  2780.  @niklasvilhelm7247  Yes I understand that the climate is getting warmer on a global scale as we're all affected by the cause of it, which is the sun. This was an established fact already in the mid 2000's before funding was cut to all research that didn't start with the conclusion of it being man made. 2nd reply: One could almost suspect the "stupid"-part was projection as your logic is that of a child. It's as if the climate depended on the current ecosystem with your logic, not the other way around. Yes the Dinos thrived in the very warm climate the Earth had 65+ million years ago, but then it changed, and the co2 levels decreased as a result of it (not the other way around which has been made immensly popular to believe) which made the mega-flora and fauna impossible. We're now experiencing a warmer period than we've been used to for ca 70 years (last time it was this warm was in the 50s), and this has been used as an argument to limit human freedom, successfully since ca 1994 when "The first global revolution" suggested this tactic in preparation for the global meeting in Rio. Understandably you become worried when your only frame of reference is ignorance and propaganda aimed exactly at making you worried, thus easier to control. What you should bear in mind though is exactly what you've said yourself; the dinos thrived in an era when it was much warmer, and they didn't have any industrial societies back then. The eco system is a self-correcting system, and even if we're hit by a meteorite like the dinos were, that turns this into a giant fiery ball, it will only take about 1 million years for it to go back to green and full of life again. Worry about your rights instead of the ecosystem. Over 99% of all species that's ever lived have gone extinct - a mere fraction due to us.
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  2781.  @niklasvilhelm7247  The proclaimed "human acceleration" is a myth fueled solely by politics, and if your government is actually taking measures to do something about a virtually non-existing problem, it is by almost 100% certainty controlled by the new Agenda2030 which is solely aimed at restricting human freedoms. NedewS in particular has stood out in this aspect in recent years, with public figures like Greta Thunberg leading the way; a child serving as the perfect shield from objective criticism and scrutiny, as the whole debate turns emotional. What's also ironic is that her home country is shutting down clean nuclear reactors and use oil powerplants to cover up the loss while the population suffer an energy crisis, all while apparently attempting to make a change into "electric infrastructure". It baffles the sensible mind. Whether people have actually died on a scale that would constitute any restrictive actions, regardless of this political ploy bearing any truth (which it of course doesn't but let's be open minded enough to make hypothesises), is also highly debatable, as the global human death toll has been and has stayed at about 84000/day for many years now, which is perfectly normal. The birth rate of over 300 000/day is a bigger problem, and one could and should really contemplate why any politician would support measures to save lives when over population is a much bigger problem than ""climate deaths"". Makes no sense whatsoever that any gvmnt would be worried about such things when we know that half of the jobs will be gone to AI within less than 20yrs, and pollution in other forms than co2 is an actual problem. What we really should focus on is preventing real pollution of the seas from plastic and such, and then also mainly focus on the culprits and not restrict non-problematic regions for no reason. So, I don't see why someone like you should advocate these changes if you're not especially worried, because I can assure you that the "green society" is a smoke screen for what's to come. One really must read Agenda21 and 2030 to get the full picture, and then most if not all pieces of the puzzle fall into place. Watching TV usually doesn't help though, as it's only good for filling your head with propaganda these days, no matter what channel you're watching.
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  2782.  @niklasvilhelm7247  I sense some anger emerging here which is a sign of denial being broken. I never said you ignored it, I just said it should be a bigger focus and that the focus on saving human lives from "man made climate change consequences" is very contradictive to the whole problem of over population. I can prove that the human acceleration is a myth, there are many scientific articles written on the subject. I know how to use search engines and so do you; there's no reason to exchange links that yt will delete within 20 seconds. If you're genuinely interested, all you have to do is put in the hours - I've even studied the "mainstream" politics at university myself to get to know my "enemy", so I feel pretty unbiased when it comes to sources. Regarding Agenda2030; I think that the "document" (essay) is still public as a .pdf. It doesn't actually say "plan to enslave mankind" on the cover, but if you take the time to actually read the bloody thing and not just read about it, it becomes pretty clear what it means on an individual level. May do you some good to score a couple of points in general law at some kind of college or university first though, or the technicalities might get to you. I'm actually not very interested in what you have to say about it before you've read to be honest, and that's just me being fair. Citing other peoples opinions as your own is cheap and irrelevant. And if you expect to change peoples minds by posting some links to some articles that sustain and comfort your world views in spite of all the arguments that you haven't really refuted here, then yes, you are wasting your time. I have dedicated more than 50% of my spare time the last 10 years to study the politics behind western society, both in and out of university, and I will definitely not have my mind changed by a random person on youtube who happens to disagree with what I'm saying, even though it makes pretty good sense, youknow? There is a good Swedish channel with English subs on many vids if you're not Swede (your name looks Scandinavian) called "Klimatkarusellen" where a former climate advisor to Swedens previous government explains a lot about the climate and the politics surrounding it 👍.
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  3022.  @immortalnub  It's not trash at all, what I'm demonstrating is if you only consider the lack of corpses as a success, any amount of non-lethal violence in any given situation can be justified. I just made an example, the possibilities are endless - what you did in response was to split hairs which people usually only do when their arguments are weak, so I guess thank you for proving my point again. The thing is, people like you are sheep, and you just want to be protected to the point where you don't care if your civil rights get stepped on (until it actually happens, but then it's too late). In normal states, cops are armed mainly to be able to defend themselves, whereas in police states they're armed to be able to make people comply. The fine line that needs to be crossed to make a normal state into a police state is unclear to a lot of "regular" people, but if you take a couple of semesters of political science, you'll learn to understand better about the importance of having a more laid back approach to law enforcement (if you have an IQ above 110). This particular situation may have "worked out", but the issue here is the quick and careless step from verbal to physical when she very well could have been pregnant or suffering from heart disease or hit her head badly on her way down, all because she held a sharp object in her hand, standing still far from bystanders and being horribly unfit. The lack of patience and social skills displayed by the cop is the typical tyrannical approach to law enforcement which sadly is common in the US; comply or die. It's so funny that I went through almost the exact same scenario during private sec training 12 years ago, only then it was a mentally disabled young boy with a knife, with predecided scenarios based on your personal handling of the situation. If it ended in violence, you failed. Should've been trained in America instead; "Knife. TASER TASER TASER!" 😄
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  3162.  @jaykanta4326  What you're in denial of? Perhaps the ongoing situation in the world and that you probably should have stayed away from 💉. How is he misinterpreting papers while calmly and collectedly going through them just stating what they say? Even telling people to look them up for themselves and encouraging the viewers to make up their own minds (you know the thing you weren't allowed to do about taking the 💉, but apparently that's somehow alright 🤷). I just get the feeling you rush his comment sections and try to defame him without even looking at the content. And as for the yt dollars - let's set this straight once and for all. You have no idea what world you're living in if you think channels like this are monitized. I've even had to rewrite this reply 3 times now to get it to stay due to the algorithm censorship. And even if he were monitized, he would only be making dimes with the views he has. It's a good and well 5 years since yt started demonitizing channels with "unfavorable" content, in the (to some people well-known) 2018 purge, when also a lot of media became revised and syncronized (according to some people in preparation of what was to come - but according to you probably just another coincidence (just like the pamphlet our government put out to all households the same year on "how to survive a crisis" - total coincidence)). You see? Doesn't make any sense, and you come off more as angry and in denial as if you're looking to protect your world view, than "scientific", that's all. Maybe your scientific approach has given you blinders, so you focus on some mistake here or there, but what's great about Campbell is that he focuses on other aspects as well, such as the political, which is of enormous importance in this case. It's a more holistic approach which the msm is lacking these days. And like I said, you're more than welcome to boost as much as you want. Something tells me we'll be hearing a lot less from you in due time if you do ✌️.
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  3240. Yeah well to his defence, not that I'm a fan or anything, his "view on women" is shared by about 90% of the male population - most just don't want to admit it because they're afraid they'll lose tang over it. I don't think he meant to say that he "deserved" LA 10s, he was more implying that in the "real world" he'd never get to go near that, and if he paid good money for some actual workers (hello, it's their profession to take money from lonely desperate guys) then who has the right to judge him. Epstein island was frequently visited by the Hollywood elite, and people still watch the latest Tom Hanks flick so 🤷. Also about his health, it's all on him, but when you're that far gone and probably lack every bit of self discipline, it's probably not easy to get out of it just like that. Especially not when combined with severe depression. As for the "horrible things he's said", seriously how do people find time to give a shit? People get offended by everything these days. Use the nword - people think you should go to prison or worse. It's ridiculous. All of his viewers were fine with watching and laughing at a morbidly obese man throwing childish tantrums as if he wasn't all there, but if he makes a dark joke then they feel dirty or something? 🤯💥 As for him being a narcissist - everyone is nowadays. It's like a soceity-wide plague. You, the uploader, is probably somewhat narcissistic - why else would you sit there and give your personal opinion on shit as if it mattered? He without sin cast the first stone. Regarding the "get a job" thing. It's obvious he doesn't have the health for it. He sleeps with an oxygen mask on. He's got no references or work history. He's got a shitty reputation. He was honest and she knew his chances are slim. She knew she couldn't help him. And who would give up a youtube account with 4 million subs to go get a job at McD that won't save your home anyway? I just think people want to see him get a shitty 9-5 job and stand at the counter at McD all greasy and sweaty, taking orders from the people he thinks he's so far above, having to be polite and say thanks and please etc, because that would be the ultimate humiliation. Just like people wanted to see Michael Jackson in an orange jumpsuit without a wig or makeup in the 2005 trial - defeated. That's just the way people are, unfortunately. They like to think they're better, and that's probably why they go bananas whenever someone says the wrong word, but as soon as it's them, rules don't apply.
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  3501. Such disciplined and nice people. In Sweden there's a team of security guards on each platform, tax funded of course, to deal with drunk idiots, bums and interesting foreigners moving around in gangs trolling people (kicking the shit out of them, stealing their phones, money, raping their asses etc etc very exciting). Something tells me those things would never ever become a problem in North Korea. I just have this feeling it would be dealt with right away. I just wish more swedes (even the ones who really aren't swedes, maybe especially those) would go to North Korea and behave like that in their subways. There was even a Swedish top politican by the name of Åsa Romson (resigned, is probably in an asylum now or holds some important position at some political department deciding over large amounts of tax money) who once stated that if you ride a subway in a country, any country, you automatically become of the same nationality as the other people riding that subway, regardless of where you're from. Maybe it would be in favour of some "swedes" to go to North Korea, ride the subway, become North Koreans and THEN go back to Sweden and don't ride the subway I suppose to stay North Korean, and that way we'd have much nicer people here. That's how awesomely fucked in the head you become when you watch state funded television "public service" in Sweden for 1,5 hours. I think I'm gonna go cut my dick off now and become a woman. Or a prunimaesusalesam that's a creature that I've made up myself and I identify with it so fuck off if you say I can't be one.
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  4177.  @rossevans1774  My point wasn't about algebra, it was an analogy, but perhaps you have autism and struggle with such things - I don't know, but it would certainly explain why you struggle with making sense of these videos. As for Campbells "stance" - it's pretty obvious he's appalled by the lies. Why you're not and why you're looking for any sort of "stance" from the uploader is, for lack of better words, a fucking mystery. Maybe you actually do have autism or for some other reason, like watching too much TV, can't think for yourself, but I personally see the whole thing as self-explanatory. I mean it's so obvious I kind of find your question a bit surreal and makes me wonder if you're "taking the piss", because if you're not, there's something not quite right with you. Understand? Of course Campbell is "quite wealthy", he's a senior man that's worked in the medical community presumably most of his life. I find it very unlikely that he's making any money from his youtube videos though as content like this always get demonitized (something you apparently are unaware of). No channels or videos focusing on sensitive matters such as firearms, democracy, corruption, leftist agendas or the subject at hand get monitized after 2018 - that should hardly be news. And even if he did - with good advertisement sponsorships a channel is able to make a maximum of about $2000 per 1 million views, so the estimated number seems a bit off and is probably just made up to create a "he's making money off of your fears" argument out of thin air, which you in turn eat up without asking the questions I've just asked, while apparently ignoring the facts stated by Campbell himself, solely wondering what his "stance" is. If you possess any bit of common sense you must see the insanity in this. If not 🤷 yeah, I don't know what's wrong with you. It's the weirdest form of backwards critical thinking I've ever seen or heard of.
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  4310.  @NinjaMonkeyPrime  No, what I'm saying is that FE society has managed to convince people even though it's "as simple as that". Most people wouldn't be able to produce your example themselves, they just know that the earth is round. It's common knowledge that the earth is round but that doesn't mean people in general can prove it by using any examples or arguments other than that it's just common knowledge. That's why they're convinced by anyone who can produce arguments that sounds valid. You misinterpret my argument then. The average IQ in many places is a few points above 100. The people who are in that spectrum don't figure things out for themselves - they're told what's right and then they learn that. Had they been told the earth was flat in school, it would be very hard to convince them otherwise. And I never said that being able to ask questions made them "smart", I just said that the people who are a liiittle bit smarter than the average (which still isn't "smart", though smarter than the moron millions) dare to question the general consensus. You're forgetting that people like Galileo Galilei actually were that kind of people - they dared to question the general consensus of that time, namely that the earth was flat and the center of the universe. Something that caused an outrage back then, but it's a fact that most geniuses in our time have been free thinkers who didn't care much about public opinion on them. It's open mind vs narrow mind - whether you're right or wrong is a different topic. People may well understand arguments but have never been subjected to them or have forgotten them over time and aren't necessarily stupid because of it. I think you're almost acting bigoted when talking about these people. Very unecessesary. Then you misquoted me and only quoted half of my argument which is a pretty shitty tactic to use, but it's usually evidence of someone trying to adjust the argument to fit his already thought out counter argumemt. I said "The point isn't whether the earth is flat or round, but rather that this society of people have managed to produce false evidence believable enough to make a large number of "round earthers" believe in it." which is what we're talking about as I never tried to claim that the earth is flat, I'm merely contemplating how a society filled with people with low scientific knowledge can produce arguments that actually convince people. If you just want to tell me why the earth is round in a condescending manor then I think you've misunderstood my whole point. They've all been brainwashed in public schools and they should have very little reason to start this "research" on their own, that's why I firmly believe that this is a theory thought up by people who do understand the science, and know how to confuse gullible people with a poor understanding of science. It's just that whenever people like you engage in this subject you go at it in almost an aggressive defensive manor to just point out how incredibly stupid this idea is. I know that a lot of people in the scientific community suffers from mild social handicaps which names are on YTs new nono-list, and as I put my efforts into "social studies" like psychology and political science instead I usually tend to focus more on the human part than on the science which I find more or less uninteresting. I'm sure the earth is round and that you know the physics behind it, you don't have to explain that part or become upset. I will simply ignore any further arguments explaining why the earth is round since I am not questioning that. The easier it is to prove the more it proves that people who don't understand it would struggle to put any kind of false evidence together themselves, which was my point. Then I see you counter argued the second half of my argument saying that they're not many at all. Well that's subjective because I think they are more now than they've been in many years, wouldn't you agree? I don't remember any sort of flat earth society in the 90s or early 00s, it's a rather new thing. And it's rather interesting that you seem to put anti establishment and flat earthers in the same "category", because that's kind of the basis of the point I tried to make. If you think that it's stupid to be anti establishment that's up to you. I don't know how politically active you've been but I was active in my country's "conservative" party for some years only to learn a bunch of things that made me abandon mainstream politics all along. Very interesting though, and talk about making an argument for your oponent right there. Flat earther = anti establishment = stupid. There's a lot to be said about that from a psychological standpoint 👍. Interesting comparison with Bakker, but again I think it's easier to con people who are just a few points above the average moron, as they're the one's who dare to question common knowledge and also think they're smart, just because they're a little bit smarter than the average. You seem to think that smarter than average = genius, why I do not know, but let's remember that people with an IQ of 108 are still not very smart. I'm saying that you must understand the arguments to be fooled. So you are trying to argue that general increase of intelligence has brought forward better technology? You don't think that the technical evolution comes down more to the market economy than to the average person becoming smarter? There are statistics showing how average IQ has decreased and is keeping to do so in most places, Sweden for instance is dangerously low 100, which is the point where it becomes impossible to sustain democracy. This negative trend has in recent years been "slowed down" by lowering the demands for passing grades in schools which of course only looks good on paper. One would think a person like you would use this as an argument as to why FE society exists. Again, you think the "advancements" comes down to the evolvement of the average person rather than that a few chosen ones are sitting on top dictating reality. According to you the big companies are making use of whole nations' collected brain power to bring forward the latest tech, rather than using a few bright minds and the media to make people buy more new tech that they don't need and get further in debt than they already are. Do I perhaps detect a slight bit of denial in you when talking about this? Not a fun subject to think about for any of us. My point wasn't that FE isn't stupid, I'm usually trying to be more objective and open minded than to label people of any beliefs or opinion. My point was that I don't think they came up with their arguments within the community, as I think a lot of them lack the ability to produce such in a way that would convince so many. Again, "many" is subjective, I know they're not a majority, but enough to have caused a pretty big ruckus within the scientific community. One only has to make one search on YT to find this to be true - there are more vids from angry science-people these days than there are actual FE vids as far as I can tell. I think it's psychological warfare that I think has served its purpose on you, which I think you showed, and I'm good with that. I'm sure that you don't agree at all, and that's also fine, you're free to come back however you please, but I'd appreciate if you didn't copy and paste everything I've written and respond to each part as if it was a conversation, it becomes so much more text than what you've produced and that's the only text I'm interested in. I understand which and what you're replying to, don't worry. And if you're quoting just to make some kind of "impolite" remark then I'm neither interested nor impressed, let's keep it civil. And to clarify: I am not a flat earther so please don't try to convince me that the earth isn't flat as it is a waste of time.
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  4312.  @NinjaMonkeyPrime  Yes they were drawn to a scam. You suffice with concluding that, I'm asking why they were scammed and who really scammed them. Kind of like investigating journalism. You think most people can use the sunset to prove that the earth is round? Hasn't the flat earthers a reaponse to why the sun is rising and setting? I'd say most people would argue like that third guy that's here talking who nobody's talking to, I think he's a good representation of average. That's the kind of argument I'm used to seeing at least. You know, that doesn't mean that everyone knows, and it's pretty self evident that you're above average intelligence. Wouldn't guess by how much though. You're using the fact that it's a possibility for everybody as an argument saying everybody could or would have that idea. They can't and won't. Look around YT comment sections and look specifically for people literally asking random strangers for facts about events, science etc and taking hear-say as a fact. That's how the average dummy finds info in this day and age. No question is too stupid either and as long as the person who replies is kind it's probably true. You say the reason is they want to "rage against the machine" and FE is the way to do that, or the other examples you're mentioning? Isn't that again a perfect example of the kind of generalization I was referring to in my previous reply? I'm sure you've said something about that further down, I'm writing as I read. This is clearly an assumption on your behalf, it might be wrong, it might be right - probably varies from case to case. I understand why you assume that it is that way, it goes in line with your prejudice against these people, and I don't accept bigotry as an argument myself. These are all individuals with their own reasons for believing what they believe in. Making a generalizing assumption like that is no different than saying that all people of a certain religion are inherently greedy or that some types of people are more prone to commit crimes. There may even be statistics supporting those claims in some cases, but that kind of "arguments" are usually thrown out on principle. It is your opinion that they're raging against the machine. About the "flat earth in school" you didn't do a very good job countering that I must say. It goes without saying that if the fact that the earth was flat was taught in schools that would also be the general accepted consensus thus there wouldn't be any serious news outlets showing things that would prove otherwise. Like I've already said the FE community have their own version of how and why the sun sets and had you never been subjected to anything else I find it very hard to believe that someone of your "norm personality type" would be one of the people questioning this. You question it now because of the things you know and have learned, hardly due to your own experience and research. And if you do then that pretty much makes you unique I'd say. Most people just crack the bindings of a book or watch a doc these days. Well Galileo fought the establishment at the time, didn't he? Society was different but the situation was the same - people mindlessly going along vs one man who raised his voice. What, you don't think you're fed lies through the media and political establishment these days? On a different scale? You seriously think you get first hand accounts and all the facts on every major event or on all international politics these days? You don't think Assange and Snowden are the Galileis or Voltaires of our time? It's up to you if you're happily watching the evening news thinking that you're updated on everything that's going on and why. Not gonna imply anything about that. It's rather you who shouldn't rip words apart to make them fit your pre-thought out counter arguments, as I already said. That just means you can't respond to my arguments, and implying that your opponents arguments are dumb or whatever when you can't answer them without tweaking them is not a good way to argue. You'd just have to take one rhetoric class to learn that. Very unimpressed by your ctrl+c "because they're anti-establishment" that then pops up again when I asked how a society filled with people with low scientific knowledge can come up with arguments that convince people. I watched some of their vids on YT back in the days before they got deleted, and I literally saw people in the comment section who were amazed at the arguments put forward in the presentations. To just assume that they were "anti establishment" and ate it up because of that seems a bit far fetched. Circular logic almost "Flat earthers are anti establishment and they convinced people because they are anti establishment". Not very convincing mate. I'd say they convinced people who were open minded though maybe didn't have the scientific knowledge enough to immediately debunk the theories in their own heads. Some might have gone "I knew it, they've tricked us!" but to generalize like that - nah, bigot mindset. What, you don't think school is brainwashing? Whether you percieve me as an adult or not is completely irrelevant to me, I don't give a crap about ad hominem tactics. School doesn't just teach us math and science or to read and write, it shapes us into "persons" instead of just human beings. You think people would be so alike if they weren't actually brainwashed to a certain extent? You don't think you're brainwashed when you watch TV? Most of everything you know, think and do is due to some extent of brainwashing. Human beings are supposed to hunt, fish, grow crops, cattle, raise families etc, those are the things that naturally makes us happy and gives us a sense of meaning. Now people use all kinds of tech and medication to forget how utterly unhappy they are with lives that are filled with crap that has 0 meaning, but they still chase after it, and you don't think they're brainwashed? Take some psychology classes. Well the fact that you people get overly upset with this subject was hardly to say whether it's stupid or not, it was merely to point out the unproportional reaction to it. But now you've subjectively pointed out how you feel about it and then I guess it's understandable from a human standpoint. But again you took something out of context to make an unecessary point based on your own opinion. Again more about the sunset, and again; I'm not here to be convinced. I'm here asking how a non scientific society with mostly morons could come up with arguments disproving this to a point where this became a movement. I know your answer already; they're anti establishment. Don't see the relevance though. And I don't think anyone "wants to be fooled", that's just cynical of you, but that seems to be a common thread here. I don't buy this at all, nobody "wants" to be fooled. There's a poor understanding, yes, but who came up with the arguments convincing them? But before you argued that humans were progressing and therefore we have also seen all this progression in technology and you seemingly draw = between technological progress and humans becoming smarter in general - but if humans aren't becoming smarter (which we aren't) in general it comes down to the schools according to you, though the schools have had to lower their demands on students to pass the grades since the old ones were too high for the new kids, and out of this comes all our technological progress? Hm, sounds to me that you're a bit stuck in your way of thinking. I'd dare to say that average human intelligence has had absolutely 0 to do with the technological advancements that have been made, and you'd struggle to prove otherwise. We don't exactly work together you know, even if we actually were becoming smarter. Well I'm making "drama" about avg IQ since we're talking about people being fooled en masse here. Seems kind of obvious. I don't know if you realize the difference between 90 and 110? Have you tried out your own at someplace like Mensa to see where you score? Also you were implying that people are becoming smarter and as a result we have all this nice tech, which actually was a pretty ridiculous argument as the avg intelligence obviously have nothing to do with the evolvement of technology. It's also funny how you seem to think that how to "live longer" is an elitist issue in a world which needs to decrease its population by half in 20 years. That actually goes pretty well in line with the old agenda21 though that's been replaced with 2030 now, but I think 2050 was the marker for the decrease back then. I don't question your ability when it comes to proving that the earth is round though I conclude that you are absolutely clueless when it comes to the future use of tech and what this means for most of us. So I am wrong when I say that I'm not trying to say that FE isn't stupid. Interesting. Double negation probably fooled your eyes or something. Then some opinions from you on what I should or shouldn't be when it comes to open mindedness, of course I should be a bigot like you and think like you, you almost didn't have to tell me that.
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  4313.  @NinjaMonkeyPrime  Google is getting tired of conspiracies so they use censorship? That's pretty interesting, it's always good to hear what the other side has to say about global corporations having monopoly on the truth. Well the decrease in population is a very real and true issue these days, if you believe otherwise it's due to low general understanding of global politics. Whether 5G is the kicker or not we'll just have to wait and see, but that fact that certain tech moguls have made huge donations to certain medical research just a couple of years before a global pandemic is hardly news or a lie. I remember when he recieved status as a philantropist for donating a bunch of money to vax research and I instantly said that there's some kind of untold interest behind it, but what that is we'll just have to wait and see won't we? Must be very comforting to be able to just blindly trust these people whose influence is spreading out around us and just use the MSM as a source for information. You know what? I think you're the excellent proof of my personal theory of this FE bullcrap being put out there so that people like you would disregard "the other stuff" as the same thing. It's working if that's the case. Then you say you have to copy and paste everything to be able to adress each point - I think I've disproved this theory twice now. I think it's more like this: You're having troubles producing and sort of coherent arguments for your thesis, so you have to pick out pieces of mine and counter them aggressively one at a time in that short and frankly overall pretty opinionated way you're arguing. It's not that hard to just say "no" or "wrong" and then give a little excuse to why you disagree and then call that a fact. It's obvious that you're not open in the slightest to anything that challenges your world view and you defend it with such arrogance it's really a dull experience to have this conversation with you. My choice though, no question. And regarding who came up with this conspiracy, I realize that your imagination may be too limited to come up with anything other than "that". I'm saying that this is a conspiracy that was put out there by some people higher up in society, not to make people think that the earth is flat, but to make people like you think that everyone who believes in some kind of conspiracy is an idiot - and they've succeeded, you're absolute proof of that by the way you put an = between FE and all the other conspiracy theories out there. It's a double bluff and no matter how smart you think you are or how much common sense you think you have, you swallowed the hook. And I'm not making fun of you for that, on the contrary I've tried to have a respectful conversation with you. To no avail I think it's safe to say. Your mind will probably never be opened. Unless some of the shit that's expected to happen within the 20s actually happen and it becomes a fact in your face, but chances are the media will convince you otherwise anyway. Who knows? And I'm not arguing your little end paragraph, a little math is all it takes. Too bad a lot of people hate math and rather get political. Math is probably the only thing that has avoided becoming political. Science hasn't avoided it, that's for sure.
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  4333.  @yazzamx6380  Well the whole flat Earth community was created to miscredit moon landing truthers soeh... Maybe you just can't differ between real conspiracies and the far-fetched BS misinformation. That is very common. Just the fact that you compare the two is so ridiculous I don't even know where you're coming from with a statement like that. Well pardon me if I don't hold your personal "scrutiny" in very high regard after your opening statement. If that's a valid argument I may just as well say that I've seen a lot of evidence that definitely held up to scrutiny, even to a point where platforms like youtube chose to delete it (censor it). I mean the obviously fake video footage where the laws of physics are being broken when people f.e. are visibly pulled up by strings, the remote controlled cameras, lightning errors, the "lost" technology, the "astronauts" demeanor before and after "the mission", fake moon rocks among many other things combined with the political climate at the time (which has only become worse) should be enough for any critical thinker to smell a rat. But I assume that you dogmatically don't believe in "conspiracy theories" no matter what, and think that's the very definition of critical thinking; to only criticise the critics. You probably ran to get the clot-shot and even got boosted as well, and laugh at people who present unfavorable statistics that's beginning to pile up now, just because you haven't been personally inconvened, and the news keep telling you what to think. It's textbook behavior, though not of an intellectual. If there's one category of people who are always sure, it's idiots.
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  4818.  @crossfire2045  No, you once again make a nonsense argument saying that I said that a good social life is pointless when I in fact said that pointless conversation with nonsensical inputs is moronic. Don't know how to get that through your thick skull any other way, it seems you have locked yourself into some kind of fallacy that you refuse to let go off since that would force you to admit that you're wrong, which in turn may be something you're unable to do due to some kind of diagnose. Either way you just prove me right by continuing this silly behavior. And the fact that you keep responding in this silly manner is definite proof that you're pissed over being called out, and simply saying "no" is not an argument when all the circumstances say yes - you've simply gone into denial at this point and I'm just humoring you now. Second reply: Yes, I called you out for doing something silly - that's the whole basis for this. I wasn't annoyed, I was a bit baffled at something that broke the social norm and pointed it out. Then you - who probably suffer from some kind of social diagnose but are in denial of the consequences of it - got very annoyed and tried to explain it all away, which you abnormally enough are still trying to do. I can't stress enough how fucking socially awkward you come across at this point, plus you obviously watch cartoons (I know you wanna call it anime because it's japanese cartoons) as per your pfp, so you must be pretty childish overall. All in all you're in over your head.
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