Comments by "William Morris" (@williammorris584) on "The Telegraph"
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It was extensively fortified and close enough to Donetsk to serve as an artillery interdiction position. At some point it was useful to produce attrition vs the Russians, since the attackers sustain more losses than the defenders.
But at a certain point, as positions are degraded and the position is flanked, a salient becomes increasingly costly to the defenders, and difficult to supply as the neck of the salient narrows. And at the point that the position collapses, the defenders lose many more than the attackers, either as killed or captured.
There is a balance point in such defenses when it becomes preferable to pull out and establish a straighter, shorter and less vulnerable line to the rear. Unfortunately Ukraine got politically invested in Avdiivka as a symbol that they could resist the Russians successfully. The Russians accepted the challenge, hammered in the flanks, ranged artillery all about, stormed the town, and won both the battle because they had more forces, more choices, and the Ukrainians were stubbornly anchored to a symbol.
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A considerable amount of 155 has already been supplied, and Ukraine continues to fire daily about 1/4 of the West’s monthly production. Reserve stocks may be available from a few countries, but the Ukrainian position look much less favorable than the Russians, who apparently have maybe a bit less than half of the ~17 million artillery rounds of all types that they started the war with, not counting their production.
Even things like barrel wear are coming into play, so old 152 and 122 guns are being limbered up, and the reserve stocks of these old systems are just not comparable. Some fun is made of this against the Russians, but an elderly 122 is still a round downrange; the Ukrainians would do the same if they had significant stocks of ammo for these old pieces. They are making arrangements for the west to make some 152mm shells for the Russian guns they use, but basically they are dependent on western 155 and rocket munitions. I doubt they have access to a change of barrels for the many Russian 152mm pieces that they are using.
In the absence of air superiority, this is an artillery war, and Russia has an artillery army, disguised by the fact that they also have a lot of tanks.
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Assuming Ukraine has raised nine brigades of reserves, two to three have already suffered significant attrition without reaching the MLR of the first of multiple Russian defensive belts. It’s early yet, but it looks a reasonable observation that it’s really really difficult to conduct combined arms ops WITHOUT ONE OF THE ARMS ( ie, fixed wing air) especially when it is into dense mine belts covered by the worlds largest artillery park.
Another problem is a lack of strategic surprise, since everyone knows the locations that would be the goals of the Ukrainian military, since they are political objectives. This means that the Russians will be dug in at and along every approach to these objectives, pretty much ruling out the hope of reducing losses via maneuver operations. The only relative strategic surprise would be the order in which the objectives are attacked. The one thing that would truly surprise me in this war would be to see a meeting engagement in a major theater.
Yet more problems for a longer war are the relative demographic disparity and that Ukraine does not produce any major weapon systems.
Russia is both wrong and bad here, and all decent people would prefer for Ukraine to win. But absent regime change in Russia, or a unexpected collapse of its army’s will to fight, this looks like a war that will be settled by an armistice, not a victory.
And to your armor pal, Creighton Abrams might rightly be considered a patriarch of the US armor force, but not so far in the past for our MBT to be named the “Abraham”.
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In the US, the border disaster has become the defining issue and it is demonstrably the result of Democratic policy over the past few years. Initially, Republicans sought a way to do something about the border, and since there was already some resistance to Ukraine aid, linking the two was seen by the Biden Admin as a path to doing a deal for Ukraine aid.
As time has passed, two things have happened. First, resistance to further Ukraine aid has solidified, primarily over the long-term resentment against most members of NATO for consistently failing to meet financial commitments. Second, the border situation has gained in public concern to the point that the Democrats are willing to do anything to cover their tracks on immigration, dropping both the linkages to Ukraine aid and to their formerly ironclad allegiance to a pathway to citizenship for illegals.
Now, the Republicans sense the possibility of an absolute legislative win on the border issue, but will do it in a relatively leisurely/cynical fashion, so as to have a winning electoral issue to bash over the Democrats’ heads.
Ukraine aid is a distant second place behind the border issue, and public opinion generally is that we’ve done enough and it’s Europe’s turn. Our defense priorities are shifting toward China.
Trump’s part in this is that he’s certainly involved, particularly in some Congressional arm-twisting, but mostly he has jumped out in front of the parade to be seen as leading it, and if possible, being its originator.
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As much as we side with Ukraine, what filters through is that misery is greater and greater, the economy is grinding to a halt, and the Russians continue to drive wedges into locations. As much as the Ukrainians want and use the weaponry provided by the West, it produces a Frankenstein logistical situation with need for training, support, repair, and supply of a multitude of specialized munitions, parts & etc.
I just don’t see how Ukraine alone can achieve more than a stalemate. And no NATO nation is going to put combat troops on the ground. For the US, it’s an opportunity for us to grind down an enemy in a proxy war by providing military supplies to Ukraine, but we must be careful nonetheless- China is watching ITS potential opponents in a war over Taiwan deplete their equipment and supplies in what is effectively a proxy war for them, in which China expends absolutely nothing.
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@mattsapero1896 That was the last time Ukraine had numerical superiority. Last year, Ukraine was in its best position of the war since 2022 relative to Russia in personnel, equipment and logistics, and their offensive quickly broke down against a deeply entrenched enemy.
Now, even with new aid incoming, Ukraine has no prospects for an offensive this summer, and possibly not this year. The Russians apparently have the means and the intention to maintain offensive operations this summer.
As great as their dependence for materiel is, what Ukraine needs most of all is something that cannot be bought or sent by the West: more Ukrainians. Look at Ukraine’s 2023 population pyramid; there are virtually no young men. As bad as Russia’s demographic pyramid is, it is better than Ukraine’s, and several times larger.
The materiel situation will probably look favorable for Ukraine sometime next year, but when a deeper conscription proves insufficient to recover any meaningful tranche of their territory, Ukraine will be asking for combat troops and aerial support.
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Reports that Russia is able to rotate troops in essentially all areas indicates that Russian replacement efforts have replenished enough units to do so. As ISW reports, Russia is also recruiting and training at a pace that equals its recent losses, making its recent scope and level of attacks sustainable from an attrition point of view. They aren’t running out of men. This buildup must be the source for the concerns over expected attacks in the northeast area - more formations had to come from somewhere, and all the other MD’s have been tapped.
Russian command and control in the northeast area would apparently be better since these units appear to mostly be from the same (Western) Military District. Warnings about planned Ukrainian evacuations in this area are either a reaction to its likelihood, or playing along if they think the attack threats are a maskirovka.
With revived troop strength, the Russians face a choice: whether or not to do another partial mobilization after their elections. One solidifies their political situation, the other essentially eliminates the possibility of any effective Ukrainian ground effort in the near term by strengthening Russian reserves, something that didn’t even exist at one point.
Ukraine needs a several fold increase in support, quantity and quality, from its European neighbors. The US has demonstrated an attitude that it’s not going to shoulder a large proportion of the effort. If these things don’t happen, it’s possible that Ukraine’s best balance of forces vs Russia has passed.
Ukraine needs a strong qualitative and logistical edge because otherwise the one thing they need most is something no one can give them- a lot more Ukranians.
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@stream2watch Russia is unlikely to completely take over Ukraine, but Ukraine is at least as unlikely to recover its lost territory.
About ten months ago, Ukraine was in its best position of the war relative to Russia in personnel, equipment and logistics, and their offensive quickly broke down against a deeply disadvantaged but well entrenched enemy.
Now, even with new aid incoming, Ukraine has no prospects for an offensive this summer, and probably not this year. The Russians apparently have the means and the intention to step up offensive operations this summer.
As great as their dependence for materiel is, what Ukraine needs most of all is something that cannot be bought or sent by the West: more Ukrainians. Look at Ukraine’s 2023 population pyramid; there are virtually no young men. As bad as Russia’s demographic pyramid is, it is better than Ukraine’s, and several times larger. Whence come the troops to retake their territory? There is only one answer: they will eventually be asking the west for combat troops.
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