Comments by "Scented-leaf Pelargonium" (@scented-leafpelargonium3366) on "GBNews"
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@nuncaolvidare4895 🇮🇪 is not just across the water from me, but just across the border, a few miles away. I knew something of Islam and Muslims after living in Israel for 10 years in the 1990's when suicide bombing was at its height in Israeli towns and cities, on buses and in markets and pizza restaurants, so their theology was pretty clear to me, even back then.
I cannot speak politically for 🇮🇪 as I don't live there, but I have witnessed atrocities in the six counties on the same island where I live on both sides of the community, as I did too in Israel.
My next door neighbour, father of six children was shot dead when I was still a boy, and I witnessed at close range 22 teenagers being blown to smithereens in the queue to a venue on Tel-Aviv seafront by an Islamic suicide bomber, after which the rabbis picked up the body parts and organs and placed them respectfully in black bin bags, whilst the BBC interviewed the bomber's family in their grief! People do get brutalised, as you say, and even young people.
I did notice that with Jews & Arabs and with Protestants & Catholics in both countries that in one small community, the LGBT one, that there seemed to be a common and friendly unity.
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@youtubesucks8995 Have you tried to change your sexual attraction yourself, seeing as you recommend it and it's not the end of the world? Yeshua never had a girlfriend or wife, as the perfect Example for human beings (as there will be no marriage in heaven), yet He was tempted in ALL ways, such as we are, yet without sin. So technically He could empathise more with those with same-sex attraction more than all the heterosexual-only Christians ever could, as I guess the devil would have thrown EVERYTHING at Him in order to tempt Him, but He was too holy.
I don't think many gay people force heterosexuals to change, as you mention, but I do know in churches that there is pressure for homosexuals to change, as you point out, "to suit God".
The only problem, if you reseach it in any detail, the success rate for any 'change' is minimal.
I didn't have "the sexual bit" pushed on to me, or even explained to me at all in the all-boys school I went to, so I guess I didn't have a clue about sexuality, which didn't help my orientation either! 🤯
Kids are impressionable at those young ages, which is why so many churches advocate "Sunday Schools" to teach doctrine at the earliest age in order to influence them, while it seems that explaining about sexuality is not on.
I do not understand trans issues either, and I feel too many kids are getting caught up in that far too early, but the over-bearing heterosexuality preaching is also a very unpleasant thing. 🙃
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@youtubesucks8995 Yes, it is odd, but these independent Pentecostal Word of Faith type of churches do exist and influence people. I came across leaders from such a church who were working as drop-in volunteers in the local YMCA in my home town whose aim it was to seek out young teenage converts there to join their church, one of which I was at the tender age of 15.
Needless to say, I eventually bought some of the records back, as they weren't "heavy metal" or anything, but more tame pop stuff, like ABBA, Boney M, etc., and last year I went to London to the new ABBA concerts in London and met Benny from the group on the gala Opening Night. (!)
I later worked as a missionary for the Church of England in Israel but lost that job for moral reasons. Thus I'm a kind of island now, not really belonging anywhere, especially after being kicked out of another independent congregation who asked me to come and speak about Israel, and some gossipping and labelling there resulted in me being expelled, even though it wasn't even true their suspicions of me. So it's not only YouTube that bans people, though I hate that too. There is no more free speech on such a platform, and I would share some of your views.
I am a terminally ill kidney patient with Amyloidosis post-transplant, and therefore immunosuppressed, and the pressure on me to get vaccinated was huge, but I resisted.
Now, my healthy friends who did get vaccinated are all sick with blood clots & regular colds.
Of course there's nowhere one can share these things, and this may not even get published.
They "shadow-ban" which mean you see your own posts, but the public don't. Pretty sneaky.
You are right about the mainstream media channels and even I have been misrepresented by them when I was interviewed over homosexuality and the church and I lost friends as a result.
So, yes, some people may become more fragile as life batters them about and often comments on such platforms as YouTube can have a really negative effect, even from professing Christians, who will fight to the bitter end over some point of doctrine while trampling someone's spirit into the ground. They may even be "right," but they often lack the compassion that Yeshua had.
"A bruised reed He will not break, and a smoking flax He will not quench." God has mercy.
I first came onto YouTube to pass the time during nine years of chemotherapy and kidney dialysis, as I could no longer work as a Hilton chef and I needed some hobby or recreation.
However, I had to change my user name from my actual name to a life-long hobby of mine (growing plants) as I felt very unsafe after some of the comments from some Christian folk.
Perhaps I shouldn't be on the internet, but I am not that fragile that I didn't overcome five years of gruelling double-strength chemotherapy and blood-draining dialysis that I wouldn't wish on anyone, and I have endured many eye-watering painful medical procedures along the way.
In that sense one finds an inner strength, even if the outer body is frail, but mental fragility is worse still. I have not garnered hope through Christians, but I maintain an inner faith in God.
Shalom 🌿🕊
Anyhow, I need to be careful as I have been chided before for writing too long a reply.
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@observersnt Calm down. I am well aware of the Christian antipathy of Islam and vice versa, a position that is irreconcilable, as they both claim the same supercedence, dominance, unique path to God, ambition to convert the world, truth of their religion and both display the clear human hypocrisy by many of their adherents. I may be ignorant, but I have lived among Moslems & Jews alike for a decade of my life in the Middle East in the 1990's during some heady times.
They are generally less argumentative and more palatable to converse with than the majority of Gentile denominational Christians no matter how "right" their doctrinal position claims to be.
You find no comparison with Muslims, in the same way as Semitic Arabs vehemently find no comparison with their cousins the Jews, yet I could spot many similarities they would deny.
Islam is totally different as a religion to Christianity, although the Koran has adopted some tenets from both Judaism and Christianity, but as with Roman Catholicism has added much on top. They may differ in how they wish to convert, but they both aim to convert as the "true faith".
That both reject the claims of the other is just more proof than in some ways they are alike.
Some Islamic authorities may discriminate in the way they treat non-Muslims, as with Jizyah and being a Dhimmi, but even authorities and individuals within the churches discriminate against non-Christians, such as Muslims & Jews, by showing disdain for their religion and by expressing in the strongest of terms that there is no comparison between Christians & them, none at all. Such an attitude will still diminish a person's religion and culture more than any tax.
I am no fan of Islam, but humanly speaking I am no fan of nit-picking arrogant Christians either.
They can both argue it out who is right without any further displays of ignorance from myself.
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@observersnt I have a lot of postings on here and not sure exactly which one you are orginally referring to for me to re-read it and examine the exact points you are reacting to. I notice that some texts, including some of yours do not show up on the public platform that I can see, so there may be some shadow-banning going on, which makes it difficult to trace every comment, and my immediate memory can fail me considering the amount of immunosuppressants I am on daily that can cause fatigue and it can be challenging to chase up every nuance I have written.
However, I can reply from my overall belief in the subject you are defending so that you don't misunderstand my direction of thought. Firstly, I DO agree with you on the atrocities meted out by Islamists and Muslim governments and leaders over the years and down through the centuries, including the scourge of suicide bombs and attacks that affected daily life when I lived in Jaffa-Tel-Aviv, where it became dangerous to go into crowded places like markets, on buses, and even at religious gatherings on particular Jewish holidays that the Muslims are well aware of, not to forget choosing to attack Israel on the holiest day of the year in the Hebrew calendar, namely Yom Kipppur, or the Day of Atonement, when many soldiers would be off on leave in order to attend synagogue, and thus Israel was at a disadvantage for Arab armies to surprise attack, and indeed Israel nearly lost that war in 1973 if it were not for the biggest tank battle in history eventually regaining control, even pushing the Syrians back as far as Damascus, with Israel taking the Golan Heights in the process, and wresting control of the eastern shore of the Sea of Galilee where previously the Syrian president used to dip his feet in the Galilee water.
This secured safety for the Israeli kibbutzim in the Galilee that had previously sustained regular shelling from Syria along with Arab snipers raiding Israeli kibbutzim (collective communities) and moshavim (community farms) killing children and anyone else they could.
So I understand the aims and threats of Islam and Muslim extremism, as I lived among it for many years, and as a result had my own gas mask and sealed room in my Tel-Aviv apartment just like any Israeli Jew would have in order to protect from surprise attacks from the likes of Scud missiles and poison gas from Saddam Hussein in Iraq back then, and much of Tel-Aviv was shelled, and I often hunkered down in public underground bunkers, including under the Hilton Hotel where I worked as a chef in north Tel-Aviv, even after the British Embassy ordered all British nationals out of the country except for essential skeleton staff in embassies and consulates and high-end business management, yet I chose to stay and live among the Jews during this spectre of Islamic terror, so I am not in support in any way of what Islam stands for religiously or politically, which is often interlinked anyhow. Nonetheless, I befriended individual Arabs, both Muslim and Christian, as well as with Israeli Jews, and I was often surprised at how well they could get on with each other, despite the horrors and atrocities, and the differences that divided them, and so I do not judge Muslim people who live under the yoke of Islam who are as human as you or I, but are really enslaved in a brainwashing religious system with barbaric beliefs.
However, my love affair with Christianity is by no means perfect either, and I guess at age 57 after nine years of chronic illness and much mistreatment by self-righteous Christians over the years, I do find myself very disinclined towards them, even if the kernel of their message is true in spiritual terms, and they are by no means as barbaric as Islamic torturers or extremists, but nonetheless Christian history is not devoid of cruel persecution, pogroms, murder, rape and even clerical paedophilia all under the dark cloak of Christianity, not of Islam or even Judaism.
The Jews view the Holocaust in enlightened Europe as a Christian thing, as it was not carried out by Muslims, and Adolf Hitler was quoted as saying he was doing the Lord a favour by exterminating the Jews. That theology originated in the Church stemming way back to the first vitriolic anti-Jewish sermons and teachings by the early Church Fathers, such as St John Chrysostom, who was called the "golden mouthed," yet he spewed out anti-Semitic vitriol more than any Arab (although Arabs are Semitic too!), which seeped into Church theology and Christian perception of Jews as evil etc for having killed Christ, and so they were persecuted wherever they lived in the Christian lands, and fared less well among the Christians than they did living among the Muslims in Arabia, with Spain expelling all Jews in 1496 (not sure of date?), and England expelling them under Edward I in 1290, the first European country to do so, as he did not want to pay them back the money he had borrowed to build so many royal palaces.
Nit-picking Christians may be more tolerable in your view because you are a Gentile Christian (I presume by your defence), but if you were a Jew I can assure you that you would be ultimately safer living among the Muslims than living among the Christ-loving Christians who meted out much hatred and murderous plots against the earthly kinfolk of the Saviour with impunity.
I know there are some "nice" Christians too, but by and large they are a venomous lot.
One can only write that from experience. Jews with Holocaust tattoos do think the same.
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@gtaambassador744 I think you will find if you join your religion that people will be told what is acceptable in that religion and be expected to imbibe many new concepts "by faith", including many stories from written texts taught and explained every week by a trained teacher aimed at both adults and children in order to change their previous views of the world, humans & God.
If that is not "brainwashing", what is?! How many original thoughts and views are you now allowed to express or uphold since you agreed to embrace the theology of your chosen religion?
So your brain is not even rinsed a little? Or do you have enough of your own personality left to be able to ignore or reject what is being systematically taught to you week by week? Hardly.
Christians may not like to admit it, or find more acceptable terms to describe it, but they are systematically indocrinated, even if it is by choice. And they contend that that religion is good!
They just do not like the fact that other people with free and open minds and lifestyles different to theirs may not accept their potted views and judgements on humanity and the whole of society that they believe they can impose on others, no matter how others may feel about it.
That is why some may view their religion as "bad", as you put it, due to their own "telling people" how to live and whom they can form a life partner with. If gay people have to accept that a man and a woman can marry in order to publicly declare their relationship, then the same acceptance should be available to non-heterosexuals who as human beings wish to similarly express that.
The fact that religious heterosexuals cannot accept that only proves how brainwashed they actually are. Gays can marry. Get over it. Keep your own religious views to yourself.
That way no one will bother you at all or even care what condition your brain is in or how good or bad your religion is. Just keep your nose out of other people's business. Thank you.
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@DaeFranklin They ARE victims because they are being SINGLED OUT by heterosexual bigots and blinkered Christians whose world view is about as small as a grape. If you think heterosexuals are "victims," as you suggest, don't forget that they have the whole world with them and don't need to fight for anything, not rights, not recognition, not tying of the knot of their relationsnips, and not even to seek affirmation for desiring to hold their partner's hand or some other simple expression of emotion which they can flaunt in public with impunity all the time.
Maybe if the shoe was on the other foot you might find a shred of empathy or compassion.
You have your rights already, and they aren't being impugned any time soon.
You say you don't see Christians forcing God in schools or in education systems. That is simply because they already have built an indocrinating educational system within the churches called "Sunday School," which the poor kids have little choice in attending, which is pretty systematic to me.
From what I can see from all the street preachers on egotistical YouTube videos shouting through megphones in public places and even disturbing and interrupting civil gatherings and events of non-Christians on this platform, not to mention all the church camps and children's activities, I do think they are in the streets parading God and forcing other people's children to join in. That is a clear Christian practice, and it is practised widely against LGBT people.
"Force" being the same clever entrapment "invitations" that many groups use to invite others.
Homophobic means they are "afraid of gays." They're not. I just use the real term: ANTI-GAY.
Let him without sin cast the first anti-gay stone. Remember how they all walked away?
Why? 🤔
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@DaeFranklin The doctrine you espouse that comes strsight from the Bible, does tell people of other religions they are going to hell for not serving the God of the Bible. If they are not, then they are not part of the Great Commission to preach the Gospel to every creature, which includes hell.
If you think that is EXACTLY what LGBT people are doing and taking away women's rights, when did any LGBT person come up to you and tell you you are going to hell? They don't espouse that.
It's more a case of sour grapes, and "I'm alright Jack, I'm up the ladder," as they don't want to see gay people have the same rights and equal opportunities as they are so accustomed to.
For your information they do NOT have way more rights than the average person, as they are denied many things, are maligned and insulted by arrogant religious Christian bigots, who think they must have a religious monopoly on everything, including on morality and relationships.
No wonder we do disagree however 💛
Your thoughts are pretty alien 👽
Even though you wouldn't know alienation if it hit you in the face.
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@gtaambassador744 No, I am male. I fell asleep due to exhaustion. It can take it out of me to type all these answers, and my carers tell me off. The points are still the same no matter the gender. There is neither male not female in Christ, neither Jew nor Greek. So it doesn't matter necessarily if a Christian is male or female or Jewish or Gentile. It goes deeper than that.
Obviously male and female, and Jews and Gentiles, are still valid distinctions, but not something that should be an issue. Yeshua is a male Jew so we can identify with half of Him.
A Jew can identify with the whole of Him, as they can understand better His language, meaning of His Name and titles, His Semitic familial lineage from Judah, the calendrical timings and "MOADIM" or "Appointed Times" that He observed right until the day He died on the Day of Passover on Nisan 14th, which He asked us to remember ("as often as ye do this," not "as often as you like") which the English translators clumsily render as "seasons" in the book of Genesis.
Gentiles may fully recognise males and females in Messiah, but learn very little about Jews.
This I encountered during my 10 years in Israel when the Sabbath-keeping practices of Messianic Jews were identical to the practices of the pre-Roman Celtic Church of Britain and Ireland who remembered the Lord's death on Passover, not the Roman invention of "Easter," until the Synod of Whitby in 664 when King Oswy of Northumbria, England, was swayed by the wily Roman prelates out of the fear that St Peter would be at the gates of heaven, and the Roman Church venerated Peter as their pope, whereas the Irish Christians took their practices from the Apostle John who wrote the book of Revelation, who founded all the Sabbath-keeping churches across Asia Minor, now parts of Turkey and Greece, before he died at age 110, the last Jewish apostle to die still upholding the Jewish Sabbath-keeping practices of the early Jewish Church, which still met in the Temple (according to the book of Acts) for 40 golden years of the Church until European Gentiles from Rome razed the Temple of the LORD to the ground, after which the Jewish Church retained its primacy in Jerusalem with some 12 successive Jewish bishops after Ya'akov/Jacob the first one, whom the Gentiles renamed "James", over the first 100 years until the European Gentiles from Rome completely razed the Holy City forcing the Jews, including the Church to flee, as Yeshua prophesied, when He told them to pray that their flight would not be on the Sabbath, as that would impede their escape, after which Gentiles became bishops there.
John's churches became known as the "Quartodecimans" as they kept the 14th Nisan instead of the Roman "Easter," which was not ratified until the councils held in the 4th century at Nicea and Laodicea at which no Jews were present to object to these changes, and Passover was viewed negatively from then on as an undesirable and unneccesary "Jewish" observance, even though Yeshua was a Jew and all the apostles, and He instructed to remember His death on it, not on a "day of the week" as the Gentiles do, but on the actual Biblical DATE, ordained by God.
All these changes brought about "Sun"-day, named after the SUN, but not the SON, as a replacement for the Sabbath of the LORD, with the reasoning that it is the resurrection day, but this reckoning comes from a Gentile misunderstanding of Biblical "Appointed Times," by tying their calculations from "Friday," the day preceding the Sabbath day on "Saturday," where it says Yeshua had to be taken down from the cross before the onset of the Sabbath, which began at sunset, as with all Biblical days. However, they fail to appreciate that the Bible calls this Sabbath "an HIGH DAY," (KJV), in other words, not an 'ordinary' Sabbath, but it was in fact an ANNUAL SABBATH, namely the First Day of Unleavened Bread on Nisan 15th, as there were TWO Sabbaths or "rest days" that week, and the latter could fall on ANY day of the week, so not be tied to "Friday," and so the "Friday-to-Sunday" reckoning is from this misunderstanding.
"Friday" or the Sixth Day (YOM SHISHI) is not specified anywhere in the Gospel accounts, only the term "PREPARATION DAY," which precedes either a WEEKLY or an ANNUAL Sabbath, which in this case was an ANNUAL Sabbath, so the calculations do not start from Friday.
Yeshua was put in the tomb JUST BEFORE SUNSET before the onset of the ANNUAL SABBATH. The first visitors came to the tomb very early on the first day of the (working) week after observing the Sabbath ("according to the Commandment") while it was still dark before dawn to find Yeshua was NOT THERE, but had ALREADY RISEN, but no one saw Him rise, so that occurred some time BEFORE that. Yeshua gave the 'sign' of Jonah of 3 days and 3 nights (72 hours) to an unbelieving generation as a prophecy of the exact timing when He would rise from the grave.
The only point that would be 72 hours later JUST BEFORE SUNSET would be not long BEFORE the first visitors appeared at the EMPTY tomb, which would be JUST BEFORE SUNSET on the weekly Sabbath just BEFORE the onset, but NOT ON, the first day of the (working) week, now re-named by Gentiles as "Sun"-day. Thus Yeshua rose from the dead on the SABBATH, not on "Sun"-day as Gentile ecclesiastical tradition and assumption concludes and commemorates, making Him truly Lord of the Sabbath, but not of "Sun"-day, so this Christians do in vain.
Count back 72 hours from this point and you arrive at WEDNESDAY for the crucifixion day, and not Friday at all, not that it matters on which day these things happened, but it is the Gentiles which make a thing of trying to tie these events to a "day of the week" and venerating them on special days which the Scriptures do not inform us to do, rather than heed the actual DATES that we have in the Bible, which do not change or move like the "moveable feast" of "Easter."
So Jews in Christ are essential alongside Gentiles to help keep things in balance, just as having males and females helps keep balance too. But no indocrinated Gentile will listen to this. 🙃
Thus Christians wilfully break the Commandments of God just as much as homosexuals do.
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@dpoole72dp : SIN = TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW (OF GOD). Have you transgressed? 🤔
Pride is not all of sin on this planet, but only one. Others include lying, gossip, slander, theft, eating unclean animals ("ABOMINATION!"), not keeping the Sabbath of the LORD holy, etc.
I have met many prideful, haughty, condescending, self-righteous, judgemental, condemnatory, and generally icy cold distant unfriendly unthoughtful and unkind Christians who all clearly sin.
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@stephfoxwell4620 Well, what would you have done if you were responsible for the health of the nation during an outbreak of an unknown killer virus? What would you have done more perfectly, tell me? If he had have let everyone wander the hospital wards freely and the virus spread more he would still face criticism! He's damned if he does and he's damned if he doesn't.
It was the virus that killed people, not Boris Johnson. Some logistics are easy to criticise with "perfect" hindsight, but the nation forgets that the PM nearly died himself in intensive care.
Boris has become a scapegoat for everyone's grievances, anger and personal grief.
I am a terminally ill kidney patient with Amyloidosis, and I was hospitalised three times with covid due to my poor immunity on chemo etc., and the medical staff would not allow me any visitors. I had to wave from my hospital window. However, if visitors were allowed I may not have survived at all, as I had to be surrounded by plastic in an isolation ward. I didn't blame Boris.
The insistence of my family and friends to see me would have killed me and worn me out.
What happened to your father is indeed a tragedy, and both Boris and I could have died too.
But to call a man just because he was in responsible office a "vile little man" and a "sworn enemy" is a very embittered stance to take. If you were PM would you have saved all lives?
Some are being very unfair towards Boris, and hatred and bitterness will not help anything.
No matter who was PM the people would still be looking for someone to blame.
I think the people should be left to figure it out for themselves and sort out their own problems with their own decisions and then there will be no one to blame but their own ungrateful selves.
It is a thankless task being a British Prime Minister. It is a poisoned chalice whatever they do.
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@corvusglaive4804 Well Christians may shelter any kind of person with the co-aim of converting them to their indocrinated view, so I don't envy the gay person who has ended up under your roof.
I became a Christian 40 years ago and was a Christian missionary in Israel for 10 years.
You didn't know that DID YOU!? 🧐 Life can be multi-faceted and can cover many scenarios.
So I know how Christians operate. I am not bigotted, but I believe in levelling the platform.
I live in a very bigotted country of Northern Ireland so I am no admirer of bigotry as it surrounds me every day, as does homophobia and Christian hypocrisy. Yes, Christians are all sinners, but they don't need to concentrate on only one sin all the time while keeping conveniently quiet about others. Even the Bible doesn't concentrate all its focus on just one particular sin.
I have engaged with many professing Christians and I often find them to be rude and contemptuous. I have engaged with gay people too and found them to be civil individuals.
Now that I am terminally ill with End-Stage Kidney Disease & Amyloidosis I no longer am involved in any church activity, although a local minister phoned me yesterday to ask me to do a Passover demonstration for his congregation based on my 10 years in Israel which included being a Hilton chef and having to learn to read, write and speak Hebrew fluently, but I think this year I will give it a miss. It's kinda more fun with the Jewish community anyhow.
The only contact I have with Christians is on here, where I only seem to see them judging and picking on others in a very condescending, arrogant and condemnatory way, which is why my annoyance can rise too, and sometimes I feel sorry for the underdog rather than with them.
Of course backing underdogs became a regular defence mechanism while living in Israel.
You are right. I should refrain from disingenuous engagement with others in the future, as it is a pretty futile pastime communicating with strangers blindly who often insult and nit-pick.
I similarly do not wish you any ill will, and I am happy to disengage with you. Shalom. 🌿🕊
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@philc1773 Only Christians read this book for the most part. So that's pretty limiting. They push that book onto others, not God. Israel reads part of that book. They don't agree to differ.
Thousands of differing Christian denominations disagree on how to interpret this book.
Some ignore huge swathes of it concerning the commanded Sabbath, the eating of unclean animals, keeping feasts like Passover now replaced by feasts not found in that book, yet they instruct others what to do, saying, "It"s in the book." Even hypocrites read the same book.
Sexual orientation is as old as the book. Heterosexual sin is as old as the book.
Heterosexual choice to indulge in bigamy, polygamy, incest, voyeurism, paedophilia, bestiality, fornication, divorce, infidelity, group sex, sex toys, anal sex, fellatio, sad-masochism, does not result in stabilty for children. Some gay people end up looking after these damaged children.
Some bisexuals do have biological children, so LGBT preference can be to do with family, marriage and bringing up children. Any human being can bring up a child. That is adoption.
Even Christians are accepted into the faith by the spirit of adoption, crying, "Abba, Father."
Christians do not become children of God via the channel of biological sex, but by adoption.
What do copulating heterosexuals have to do with this?
The answer is nothing.
Marriage desecrates itself by infidelity and selfishness without any influence by gay people.
Thus it fails to be a stable environment for children to grow up and turn into well rounded, intelligent, strong minded, truthful and caring adults. Some even turn out gay.
Despite the book.
The book exists.
Men exist.
Often the twain never meet.
Many professing Christians have never even read this "library of books" in its entirety.
They cherry-pick from this book in order to make pronouncements from it.
They are often judgemental, quick to condemn and discriminatory, as it's in the book.
People have murdered and carried out atrocities in the name of this book.
War and bloodshed have been carried out in the name of this book.
The book is called a sword. The book alters by translation.
Even holy Names are translated so that they become unrecognisable.
The central Figure of this book is thus rendered nameless.
The god of this world has retained "satan" untranslated from Hebrew to English.
This book was translated in 1611 without the letter "J" being in English.
This became named after an English king who was bisexual.
The book was later revised and subsequently included the new letter "J."
The central Figure of this book for the past 400 years has thus been named with a "J."
The brother of the central Figure in this book had an epistle in this book.
He was the first bishop of Jerusalem.
The English translators changed his name to "James" in order to flatter the king. 👑
The king seeing his own name in this book would be more inclined to sponsor it.
Bishop James is properly called Ya'akov or Jacob, but its taken out of the book.
So people add to the book. People subtract from the book. People don't even read the book.
The book condones slavery, polygamy, death by stoning, all carried out by heterosexuals.
What a fabulous idea! It's in the book!
People also read other books.
They espouse less hypocrisy. 🙃
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@philc1773 You make a lot of points to reply to in one text, and due to the fact that I can tire easily as a terminally ill kidney patient post transplant immunosuppressed with Amyloidosis, I don't always relish replying to a complete stranger who will undoubedly reject anything I say in response anyhow, so it is often a meaningless exercise to engage with indocrinated people.
You make many assumptions about my character, calling me a hypocrite and a bigot, that I throw my toys out of the cot and make too much up, while you only can supply 'proper facts'.
I face such judgements a lot from self-righteous Christians who despite their disparaging tone claim to show the love of God, mercy, forgiveness and compassion, which I don't feel very often.
You say about my point about the Bible "Your right people don't read it." Is that MY right, as in YOUR right (to read), or is that " You're right," as in "you are right"? I know that you must be right. 🤔
You say that belief in a higher power is "up to you," but even the devil 'believes' in God, for the Bible says "even the demons BELIEVE and tremble," so is that an example of such core 'belief'?
You state from nowhere, "You haven't read the book either have you!" (Question mark [?] omitted by you, not me.) Actually I have read the Bible many times through over some 40 years in both English and Hebrew, after learning that language fluently living in Israel for over 10 years.
Thus the points of marriage that you claim come solely from the Bible and God also include polygamy (it's in the book!), and levirate marriage, duty to marry your brother's wife if he dies, (it's also in the book! - so copy it). You say if "you live and fail to act in the way of God you forfeit the right to marriage," but many athesists completely reject the idea of God yet they retain that right.
Also adherents to other religions and gods that are not included in your "Christian-only" ethos that you claim comes from "the book" also marry without ever referencing the God of the Bible.
You pronounce that "gay people can have civil partnerships," like you dole out human rights.
People marry because they want to publicly declare a lifelong commitment, whether they are Christian or not, so if the religious component is removed, as it often is, why prohibit gays?
I agree with your points about women being in the home and not at work. Let tthem stay at home. Suits me. You say in regard to putting children first, "Don't like that? Don't have kids."
Well, that's just as population depleting as many claim homosexuality to be. Kidless couples.
The demise of family values is not due to LGBT people, who make up such a small minority of the population, but the demise has been increasing apace for decades already despite LGBT.
There may be successful heterosexual couples in all of this, as you state, but many gay couples are successfully matched and happy, and child abuse can occur even in stable straight families.
You say you're not a bigot, but you are clearly prejudiced against homosexuals and them being allowed to marry in the same way as other citizens, and all because it says it in "the book."
You are now engaging with someone who has read "the book," as you state that, "I simply want them to read the book before they mouth off about things they know so little about!"
You declare, "I didn't make up the rules! They are in the book."
Seeing as you promote obeying "rules" from "the book," you may be able to explain why so many professing Gentile denominational Christians ignore the "rules" about eating unclean animals, which God calls an ABOMINATION 4 TIMES IN 2 VERSES in Leviticus 11:10-12 concerning sewage-imbibing shellfish etc., in the VERY SAME BOOK (LEVITICUS) that Gentile Christians use to quote about homosexuality being an "abomination," yet they ignore God's Word on shellfish?
"I didn't make up the rules! They are in the book."
The same applies in ignoring the Sabbath on the 7th day, on what Gentiles now call "Saturday" in honour of the god Saturn, which directives are VERY CLEAR in the Fourth Commandment.
Also the Passover of the LORD upon which day the crucifixion took place is now replaced by the man-made Roman "Easter," named after the goddess Eostre/Eastre, according to the venerable Bede, despite the words in "the book" stating to REMEMBER the Lord's death "AS OFTEN AS YE DO THIS" (i.e. celebrate Passover on the actual date that He died, on Nisan 14th) and not "do this as often as you like," which is what Gentile denominational Christians do, calling it a "supper" at breakfast time when no one in society would normally be seen drinking wine before pubs open.
Those things are not in the book! He never mentioned His birth or resurrection as "holy days."
Sometimes even denominational Christians mouth off about things they know little about too, to use a term borrowed from yourself, as I so admire your erudition and Christlikeness in speech.
A plank in one's eye can often oscure one's vision. That one's in the book too.
But of course you have read it all and can cite all the "proper facts" and sins from it.
And, as you say so rightly, "everyone can sin," and that "the Bible teaches people to repent (of) their sins in the name of God. Or face the consequences." - Also for eating pork & shellfish!
Most of His followers don't even know His given Name, YESHUA, which means "salvation," as the Gentiles have changed His holy Name into the transmogrified "Jesus" which He would never have heard in His lifetime, and before which EVERY KNEE shall bow, at which time He will say to professing Christians (not those in the 'world') that did many great things "in His name," but He will say, " Depart from Me, I never knew you, you who practise LAW-LESS-NESS" (law-breaking).
Many won't know His Name, or proudly refuse to acknowledge it (Christians on earth now) and cherry-pick from God's laws which ones THEY like to keep, while conveniently ignoring others.
You are right, human beings are fallible, and I don't blame the book. I never have.
But JUDGEMENT BEGINS AT THE HOUSE OF GOD, not in the world, so the Church would be better getting its own house in order before trying to spout off to those in society on morals.
You call me a hypocrite, but I met more hypocrites in the churches than in gay nightclubs. 🙃
That leaves a very distasteful and unconvincing message in any gay person's ear.
Shalom 🌿🕊
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