Comments by "Scented-leaf Pelargonium" (@scented-leafpelargonium3366) on "Did a Pagan Goddess Inspire Easter?" video.
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@83croissant There's no pagan reason for the DATE, but there might be in some of the naming. The Church doesn't use the DATES given to us by God in the Bible anyhow, but prefers to tie these events to days of the week instead. Passover is the date, which falls on Nisan 14th, (which starts at sunset tomorrow when Yeshua would have met for the "Last Supper," but the Church will commemorate it on a day of the week two days later on Maundy Thursday).
The following daylight part of Nisan 14th will continue on Wednesday, which was the period during which the crucifixion took place. It is all in one 24 hour sunset-to-sunset day the TWO events of the Last Supper and the crucifixion, but with the Gentiles moving the timing of God's days in Genesis 1:5: where "... the evening and the morning were the first day," using the lights in the sky to divide the days, which the papal calendar now does at midnight instead, thus it takes TWO DAYS for denominational Christians to commemorate the Last Supper & the crucifixion.
I wouldn't call the calendar in the Bible "Jewish" as other tribes of Israel would have used it, not only Judah, and even before the Jews the Scriptures seemed to have days and years as cited in Genesis and elsewhere. The Quartodeciman churches of Asia Minor kept the date of Nisan 14th and they were not Jewish, so I prefer to call it the Biblical calendar, as it is used in the Bible.
Plus the "Jewish" calendar begins with Creation & Adam, which is clearly PRE-Jewish.
The lunislolar calendar you mention now includes "moveable feasts" as Easter has to chase Passover every year, but only using words like vernal equinox etc to avoid even naming it. So the Jews are not in vogue in Church circles, even though the entire early Church was Jewish! 🙃
Yes, the date (or 'day') was set in Rome long before Christianity came to Northumbria, but it was also rejected across Asia Minor by the Sabbath-keeping churches founded by John the Apostle, from whom the Celtic Church in Ireland and Britain took their practices from, eshewing the rulings of the Council of Nicea for some 300 years, until the Synod of Whitby in 664.
So the Irish had THEIR date set too! Only theirs was based on actual dates in Scripture.
God's feasts haven't moved yet, but the Church's have in order to pass over Passover. 🤯
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@1cruzbat1 Yes, there is still freedom of religion, which means less freedom for others. I can ignore or not celebrate, but these things were never a part of the early Church, so everyone could meet together in one accord as there were no other distractions, additions or differences.
Nowadays one has to suffer such man-made inventions as Lent, Ash Wednesday, Mother's Day, which one cannot avoid as they become ritualistic fixtures on the yearly calendar of the Church.
That is NOT freedom of religion, but the opposite with all sorts of things being foisted onto us.
I don't think Yeshua the Founder of the Church would uphold half of these traditions either, as He said that the traditions of men made the Word of God of none-effect. His Name was later changed to "Jesus" by the non-Jews, but He would not ever have heard "Jesus" in His lifetime.
Enjoy your flowers. At least they are created by God! 🌼🌸🌻🌹🏵🌷🌺 🌿🍃☘🍂🍁
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@MagnaMater2 The word "spring" as in jump or skip is "PESACH" in ancient Hebrew, which is the word translated into English as "PASSOVER," which also falls each Spring, and is often related to Easter, in that it originates in the story of the Israelites in slavery in Egypt, and they daubed the blood of a spring lamb on the doorposts of their houses which protected them from the Angel of Death as it "passed over" their houses, thus the spectre of death "skipped" or "jumped" over them, which feast day when the Passover lambs were later being offered as a sacrifice in the Temple in Jerusalem that Yeshua, later re-named "Jesus" by the Gentiles or non-Jews, died on, thus He became the symbol of the Passover lamb, as He shed His blood in the same manner, and thus the Christian religion was born, at Springtime, which gives new birth, rather than at winter when many celebrate the birth of Yeshua, although no actual date is given.
So the Spring is full of optimism and symbolism, and Passover is an ancient part of that. 🌿
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@milascave2 The Passover egg is not related to the Easter egg. It symbolises the destruction of the Temple and is therefore quite a late addition to the Jewish Seder.
The whole Seder Meal is full of different symbols representing freedom from Israelite slavery, not Jewish, as Judah is only one of the Twelve Tribes, but the main symbol in plain sight for all Jews as they partake of the unleavened bread and sweet red wine is Yeshua as the Passover Lamb.
This many Christians obscure by the invention of Easter, which tries to de-Judaize the event.
So much so that they have lost contact with the actual dates that are in the Bible by contriving to celebrate these things on days of the week instead. Tonight at sunset is the beginning of the 14th of Nisan, which is the Day of Passover when the Passover lambs were being killed, and which the Bible calls the Day of Preparation, but is nowhere called Friday or the Sixth Day.
So Yeshua would have met with His disciples TONIGHT, but the institutionalized Church will commemorate this on Maundy Thursday and skip over the Biblical 14th of Nisan altogether.
Due to Biblical days starting and ending at sunset, the two events of the "Last Supper" and tbe crucifixion occur on the one Biblical day, with the crucifixion taking place tomorrow on the daylight part of 14th Nisan Wednesday, but the Christians will do this later on "Good Friday."
It is the deletion of Passover from the Church's consciousness that causes Gentile Bible scholars to conflate the ANNUAL PASSOVER SABBATH with the regular weekly Sabbath, which is why they opt for a Friday-to-Sunday time frame, when the ANNUAL SABBATH can fall on ANY day of the week, and so the Preparation Day for it is not tied to Friday, which is an ASSUMPTION.
Yeshua was taken from the cross before the onset of the ANNUAL SABBATH which began at SUNSET, so He was placed in the tomb JUST BEFORE SUNSET, then He prophesied that He would rise 3 days & 3 nights (72 hours) later, so He would need to rise JUST BEFORE SUNSET also, not at SUN-RISE as many surmise just because the first visitors appeared at the EMPTY tomb very early on "Sun"-day morning, but NO ONE ACTUALLY SAW HIM RISE THEN AT ALL.
He rose BEFORE they came, as they fiund He had ALREADY risen some time BEFORE. That time before was JUST BEFORE SUNSET on the weekly Sabbath, just BEFORE the onset of "Sun"-day, which began at sunset. Therefore Yeshua rose on the Sabbath day, but not on "Sun"-day at all, so "they worship Me in vain" as the Bible says, for "Sun"-day is built on the ASSUMPTION and oversight that the ANNUAL SABBATH was the weekly Sabbath and that the Preparation Day was on a Friday, but the Gospels tell us that this Sabbath was a "HIGH DAY," so it was NOT the regular weekly Sabbath, but the ANNUAL PASSOVER SABBATH, but few Christians can grasp this.
Count back from this point 72 hours and we find the crucifixion day to be WEDNESDAY and not Friday at all. Tomorrow, Wednesday, follows the true time frame of the Bible and is the true crucifixion day of the Bible on Nisan 14th, but not tied to a particular day of the week.
The Church has passed over Passover but has lost much truth and veracity on the way.
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@83croissant I don't know what you are trying to argue with this. I am trying to present to you Biblical reasons, not Jewish or pagan, but you refuse to absorb it. The date DOES matter as the 14th Nisan begins THIS EVENING at sunset when Yeshua had the Last Supper, but the Church ties ot to a day of the week instead on Maundy Thursday, when both the crucifixion and the Ladt Supper happened on the SAME 24 HOUR DAY, but starting and ending at sunset, so the daylight part of 14th Nisan will continue tomorrow, being Wednesday, when Yeshua was crucified.
The Church will finally get this on "Good Friday," but it will take two days instead of one.
I am sorry for supplying an informational essay. How uninformational do you want me to be? The Bible itself is an informational essay, and that is also where I get my information from. If it is so tedious how do you manage reading such a lengthy document as the Holy Scriptures?
I will keep this short so as not to exert your reading ability, as I do not wish to spend the Day of Passover arguing with someone who rejects the tenets and timings as given to us in the Bible.
Enjoy your Easter feast at the end of the week. I shall enter into Nisan 14th today with joy.
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@83croissant You're rather an unpleasant character to communicate with. What use is all of your religion, if that is the kind of attitude it produces towards other human beings?
The Quartodecimans did not create a controversy, as they kept to holy Scripture and Biblical dates and observances in same manner as the early Church did and its Founder Yeshua.
The controversy came about by men changing God's Appointed Times into man-made feasts.
So it is a Roman authority controversy, as the controversy was caused by their meddling.
You don't care about the tiresome details, that is fine. Every idle word that a man shall say he shall give account of himself in the day of judgement, so not only I will remember them.
I live in a Sabbath-keeping town of the Celtic Church so it is a part of my local history and not something I got from Wikipedia, and I am sorry that I shared any detail about it, as my energy gets very low to type out such intricate replies when I am a terminally ill kidney patient with Amyloidosis and I should not really be wasting my valuable strength on people I don't know.
If you want to know about the character of your Easter holiday I suggest you take it up with someone else or look it up on Wikipedia as you mentioned, as you will only berate me.
Today is the 14th of Nisan (after sunset) that the Quartodecimans kept to remember the Lord's death as He instructed in Scripture, which is the Day of Passover and eve of the "Last Supper," so I don't really want my mood affected by the tones in your reply, which hardly emulate Yeshua.
Tomorrow will be the daylight part of Nisan 14th upon which the crucifixion happened, but very few of His followers will be even aware, as they will remember it days later on Good Friday.
Bede's citatation may have been dubious, but the veracity of Good Friday is more dubious still!
I don't care for the name of Easter at all and don't need it in my life, for I already have the dates. And the name that God called it. That's good enough for me. You do your own thing.
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@83croissant You DO observe Passover as a Christian.
"As often as ye do THIS," i.e. remember the Lord's death (not His birth or resurrection) on Passover, i.e. 14th Nisan, which is TODAY, but the Gentile denominational Christians ignore it.
He did not say, "Do this as often as you like," which is basicially what happens in most churches today, with mini-suppers at breakfast time. The New Testament points out for ALL believers, imcluding Gentiles, that: "Christ our PASSOVER is slain for us. Therefore let us KEEP THE FEAST" (of Passover). He is our Passover Lamb, not our Easter Bunny. 🐰
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@shmeebs387 I have found that not everyone knows His Name is Yeshua, over the 40 + years I have been communicating with Gentile denominational Christians from all over the world.
I guess by your "everyone" you include non-believers too, but I have found that even many non-Christians have not heard of the name Yeshua either, but maybe the ones you know are more well-informed. It may not be esotetic knowledge, but neither is it universally acknowledged.
Yes, some names may adapt, as you say, if the have sounds of letters not in their alphabet or that are difficult for them to pronounce, which is why Yeshua changed format when it was used in Greek as all male names, and especially gods, such as Zeus, Hermes, Socrates etc all ended with an "s" to differentiate them from female names, and especially too of goddesses, whose names ended with an open vowel sound, such as "a" or "e" with the likes of Diana, Aphrodite etc.
Thus Yeshua would have sounded like a female goddess to the Greeks, and so an "s" was addded to save that confusion, and the "Y" changed into an "I" and the "sh" sound into a hard "s" according to what letters were available in the Greek alphabet at that time. That was for the Greeks. However, there was no such difficulty in other Gentile languages with pronouncing Yeshua, if it was an important enough Name, yet the Greek Iesous was retained to eventually become "Jesus" in the mid-17th century once the letter "J" was added into the English alphabet just less than 400 years ago. So, yes, many people may call Yeshua many names, but He would never have heard any of them in His lifetime. Besides why is it SO ESSENTIAL to "translate" the Name Yeshua? It is hardly a difficult Name to pronounce with only three syllables. Other Hebrew words have survived un-translated in the Bible, such as AMEN, HALLELUYAH, HOSANNA, and ARMAGEDDON, and they are not all small words with few syllables, so why is that???!!!
"Jesus" is not "English" as you say, but is a borrowed word, as "Jesus" is not a name that you will hear anyone called in England. It is Greek origin, yet they can't use Hebrew origin! 🙄
Also SATAN has survived intact without being "translated" from the original Hebrew all the way into modern English, so the god of this world does not change like the Son of God does. 🙃
Even a soft drink like Coca-cola can make its way into every language on the globe without being changed, "translated," or modified in order to fit the languages of all its consumers.
You say, "He isn't going to split hairs over linguistics and calendars on judgement day."
Well, we will see about that. God's sacred calendar, set in place by HIM and observed by His Son Yeshua throughout His life, right up until the day that He died, which was on the Day of Passover on 14th Nisan, which is TODAY (but hardly any of His followers are aware of it), is now replaced by another calendar in the name of His Holiness Pope Gregory XIII, but not of the Creator of time.
YESHUA, meaning "salvation," is the Name above ALL OTHER names, and the Name before which EVERY KNEE shall bow, but how many of His followers will actually KNOW His Name?!
He told us that, in that day, many will come to Him (Christians) and say, I did this in your name and did many great things. But Yeshua will say unto them, "Depart from Me, I never KNEW you."
You may think linguistics, as you put it, don't matter, but God gave His Son only ONE Name.
The devil is VERY happy that so few know it, and that ANOTHER name is in all English Bibles.
And the Christians assist in the process. It is not only non-Christians who are duped by the wiles of the devil. He has a particular interest in suppressing the powerful Name of YESHUA.
And it is now almost lost to humanity. But everyone knows SATAN & of course COCA-COLA!
The Saviour of the World must rely on us to choose what name WE want to call Him !!! 🤯
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@83croissant You are very insolent. I am not busy, at least not any more than you would be with your "Easter" and "Christ-Mass" preparations. I am merely sincerely recalling the Last Supper which happened this evening, and the crucifixion which date of its happening falls tomorrow, but both events withing the one sunset-to-sunset 24 hour Biblical day, just as Yeshua observed.
If that is sinful, then please state the reason why, and why your mocking tone and disparaging comments. Yes, the term spring clean does come from cleaning the house of leaven at Passover.
That is something that God required, nothing that I dreamed up. You need to take your mocking tone to Him about that, not to me. I am a Hilton chef, so my fridge is always clean at all times.
The New Testament clearly warns Christians in Colossians 2:16 not to judge others for observing what God has set in place, yet this seems to be what a lot of Christians do.
"SO LET NO ONE JUDGE YOU IN FOOD OR DRINK (such as with eating clean animals, or drinking wine, when some Christians enforce un-Biblical abstinence), OR REGARDING A FESTIVAL, such as the "Appointed Time" ("MOED") of Passover etc., which was ordained by God and observed by Yeshua, OR A NEW MOON, which are the Biblical lunar months or "moonths" in the Biblical calendar, which are 30 days long, not the variable length of 28,29,30 or 31 days in the papal calendar, OR not to judge anyone for keeping the SABBATH" (which is SINGULAR in the original text, not plural, but some translators add an "s" which is a very subtle change, so that it can be doctrinally used to promulgate "Sun"-day keeping), and even if it is plural SABBATHS, the Bible does refer to the ANNUAL SABBATHS of the LORD as His Sabbaths, which are all REST DAYS.
It is the Passover of the LORD after all, and He asked us to REMEMBER HIS DEATH on it.
If you want to mock the Passover, you are mocking Him, as He is our Passover, slain for us.
He designed the symbolism of the Passover, not me, as it perfectly represented His sinless body and shed blood, so if you want to make light of it, please take that to Him too, not to me.
St Patrick and the Celtic Church of Ireland kept this date, but refused the Roman "Easter."
You can say what you like about my observance unto the Lord, but just make sure you're not backing the wrong horse, as Passover was ordained by God and kept by Yeshua. "Easter" is a break-away from that, and distances the believer from its intrinsic symbolism and purpose.
Wednesday sundown is the eve of the First Day of Unleavened Bread, but the day of Passover itself precedes that on the 14th, so sundown Tuesday was the start, and was for Yeshua too.
There is nothing in the Bible about using tinfoil on a stove, so not sure why you add that in.
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@83croissant Are you still bothering me? I thought you weren't interested in my comments?
Yeshua fulfilled the requirements of the Passover and rose 3 days later on the Sabbath. He kept both, but did not do away with them. Fulfilling the role as Messiah does not mean cancelling out the very "Appointed Times" that God set in place to highlight His Messiahship! They are a shadow of THINGS TO COME, for Messiah is their substance, as prophesied in Isaiah 66:22-23 concerning the news heavens and the new earth in the future with SABBATHS & NEW MOONS!
Refutation and rejection of these things are a refutation of God's Holy Word and a rejection of Him as Creator of these things, as the "seasons", which are the BIBLICAL "MOADIM" or "Appointed Times" in Genesis 1:14:
"Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to DIVIDE the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons ("MOADIM"), and for days and years."
The poorly rendered word for MOADIM as "seasons" in English, sounds more like spring, summer and winter etc., when in fact these are the Holy Festivals of God or Feast Days, such as Passover etc., as these too are divided by the sun and moon, and not by the papal mid-night.
All these things precede the Jews, and are not Jewish traditions, but are Commandments of God. The Jews later were added in, just as the Gentiles were later added in as well, but GOD is the Author of all the ordinances, festivals and timings in the Bible, not man, but they are FOR MAN, as Yeshua pointed out about the Sabbath, not that it was made only for Jews! 🙃
Why give the Jews a day off work, yet make the Gentiles work 7 days a week? God is fair and extends His goodness to all creation, not just to those born into the single Tribe of Judah.
Instead God blends the two, by breaking down the wall of partition between Jew & Gentile in the One New Man Church, where all is equal in Messiah, but the Gentiles have raised a wall again by creating impedients for the Jews by teaching against the Sabbath, Passover & dietary laws, all of which God commanded and taught to mankind through the TORAH, which means TEACHING.
You are right. I am not Jewish, and never will be. Remembering the Lord's death at Passover like He instructed in the New Covenant Church does not make me Jewish, any more than believing in a Jewish Messiah makes me Jewish, or believing in the LORD God of Israel makes me Israeli!
He wanted both Jews AND Gentiles to remember His sacrifice at Passover for their salvation, and Romans warns the Gentiles not to be haughty and boast as grafted-in branches over the root, which is Israel. Passover is a celebration of the Messiah and how its symbolism matches Him, so it is Christian, as the Messiah is at the very centre of it. However, I am not sure if your chocolate eggs that you wish to promote are so authentically "Christian," as I see nothing in the Bible about those, or even any sort of egg symbol, which some say speaks of pagan fertility.
You can keep your chocolate eggs and I will stick to my unleavened bread and sweet wine.
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@emilypaigeballou4869 Yes, but it's presented in some churches as something that we really should be doing. If its only personal and voluntary then leave it out of the church services, a bit like the obilgatory Mother's Day that has crept into Christian observance from nowhere. 🤔
Yeshua's disciples didn't fast, but they did observe Passover during the week of unleavened bread when no yeast products are consumed, as would have Peter and Paul as strict Jews.
Why does nobody emulate that, seeing that the leaven represents sin during the Biblical "holy week" of Passover? That is something that is found in Scripture if Christians feel they must be identifying with Yeshua, later re-named "Jesus," in all that He did and said. Just don't eat yeast!
That's only for a week, not 40 days, but I bet it would be "too hard" for any Christian to do.
"For Christ (Messiah) OUR PASSOVER (not "Easter") is slain for us, therefore LET US KEEP THE FEAST." "As often as you do THIS," i.e. celebrare Passover, "you do show forth the Lord's DEATH (not His birth or resurrection) till He come." He did not say, "Do this as often as YOU like." 🙃
Sometimes doing what the Bible actually says is better than just making up stuff to do.
The LORD wants OBEDIENCE, not sacrifice, especially if the "sacrifice" is uncalled for. 🌿
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M I am going down to the greenhouse to chill before I reply to your erudite comment. It takes a lot of energy to reply to in-depth topics when one has a draining terminal condition, so I will have to pace myself rather than replying immediately. As the Sabbath is drawing to a start later today I may not get to spend energy on this pursuit until the first day of the working week begins at sundown "Saturday" night, but we'll see how the energy levels go. I get where you are coming from, but don't find Passover any more of an ordeal than the strictures of Lent. Yeshua fasted for 40 days in preparation for the onslaught ahead before His journey to the cross, but He did all that for us! He didn't expect us to do it too, not that I can find in any of the pages of Scripture.
He did, however, expand the celebration of Passover beyond only the people of Israel by dying on that very day with all its rich symbolism, saying, "As often as ye do this," i.e. commemorate Passover, "ye do remember the Lord's DEATH until He come." It does not say, "Do this as often as you like," which is basically what happens today in most churches, with breakfasttime "suppers."
"Christ (Messiah) our PASSOVER is slain for us, therefore LET US KEEP THE FEAST." 🌿
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