Youtube comments of Scented-leaf Pelargonium (@scented-leafpelargonium3366).
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I came across a lot of beggars on a weekend to Dublin, which I was not accustomed to in the same numbers in my native Belfast in the north of Ireland. I gave a few quite generous donations as I walked in a good mood as I was on holiday, but after a while I realised I could soon spend my budget for my weekend vacation on so many begging people.
I wondered did the government not help with benefits etc like they do in Northern Ireland.
Eventually I had to say, "Sorry, I have given to quite a few others already." I noticed that when they got turned down they were no longer nice and polite. One youngish Romany girl when I said "Sorry" after she pleaded for "Change! Change!" spat at me and cursed me in her native language. She turned from a gentle smiling angel into a vile cursing demon!
I was surprised and suddenly glad that I did not give her money, as her act was obviously a ruse and covered up the vileness of her true personality, and I was only a commodity as an easy source of unearned money (earned by me, not her!), and I remember it to this day.
I was brought up to give to people even when in doubt, which my grandfather taught me, but life can teach one lessons, that makes it more difficult to discern any genuineness.
I give to charities of my choice, but now only rarely to very convincing or needy beggars.
As my mum would say, "But for the Grace of God there go I," but then I wouldn't want to rip off genuine well-meaning people in order to support a scam, but not a genuine need. 🙃
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@Pilot1947 Well, it's on plenty of Christmas cards. "Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem of Judea ('Jew-dea')." Read Matthew 2:1 in the New Testament. Have you led such a sheltered life?
The land is even called Israel by an angel in Matthew 2:19-21, where it is written:
19. "Now when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the LORD appeared in a dream to Joseph (Yosef) in Egypt,
20. saying, 'Arise, take the young Child and His mother, and go to the LAND OF ISRAEL, for those who sought the young Child's life are dead.'
21. Then he arose, took the young Child and His mother, and came into the LAND OF ISRAEL."
Are you going to contest every Christian church and cathedral around the globe? ✝️⛪💒☦
That's Who said that. Have you any better alibi? He wasn't an Arab born in Arabia. 🙃
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Why are only "Catholic" and "Orthodox" valid? The early Church was Jewish for the first 100 years until the razing of Jerusalem by the Europeans (Rome) in 135 CE, and most churches across Europe are named after Jews, such as St Peter's, St Paul's, St. Mary's etc. The first Church was not called Roman Catholic or Greek Orthodox, both named so by Gentiles, or non-Jews.
The Church of Jesus Christ or Ha-Kehilat shel Yeshua Ha-Mashiach in Hebrew was supposed to be "One New Man" made up of both Jews and Gentiles, breaking down the wall of partition, which denominationalism has only redivided by lack of acceptance and doctrinal superiority.
There are few Jews in today's churches due to many centuries of hate-filled sermons against them rooted in the Gentile early Church Fathers and by even murdering them in the Christian nations due to warped doctrine and Gentile-only Church teaching against all things "Jewish."
The word "Catholic" means "universal" which the united Church should be, not just one system that rejects all others because they feel the more superior or entitled. The word "church" (KEHILAH) means CONGREGATION or gathering of PEOPLE, not a building or an institution, and no one wing should have dominance or superiority over another or of any.
The name "Peter" means "stone" but Yeshua ("Jesus") is the Rock. Peter was MARRIED as Yeshua went to heal his mother-in-law in one of the Gospel accounts, and you don't have a mother-in-law unless you have a wife! The Papal example of enforced celibacy as a holy order is nowhere based on Scripture. Yeshua didn't marry, but He certainly didn't forbid His disciples to.
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@Lui_Jackal Well I find the term "Christian priesthood" a bit of an anomaly as the office of "priest" is not listed anywhere in the New Testament, only pastors, teachers, deacons, prophets, evangelists, bishops etc., but no more "priests," save for the spiritual application where ALL believers collectively are spiritual kings and priests and saints, but not as a title of office.
Otherwise we could call our pastors a king as well!
Only the JEWS had a functioning PRIESTHOOD, the very people you so disdainfully describe, must actually be emulated enough (at least their 'system') by Christians in order to keep the obsolete order of "priests" going!
That is why the Jews DO have something to do with conversation on the "Christian priesthood" as the Jews were ordained BY GOD to have a priesthood, but the New Testament Church ISN'T (apart from only spiritually as I have said). Jesus is a great High Priest (COHEN GADOL), but then He's got Jewish bloodline both Aaronic and Davidic. The Gentiles are only "grafted in" spiritually to the rich commonwealth of Israel as branches and Israel is the root, which Paul warns us not to despise, "for the root supports you" and not the other way round.
The early Church was 100% Jewish in Jerusalem and had a golden age of 40 years until the Temple was destroyed by Europeans from Rome in 70 CE. There still remained a vibrant Jewish Church there until the city was ethnically cleansed of Jews again by Roman Europeans in 135 CE with some 13 Jewish bishops up to that point. Then the Gentiles named the city after Hadrian.
A Jew would make much more sense of the "eucharist" you speak about because the unleavened bread and wine are symbols in the Jewish Passover with the story of the Passover lamb being slaughtered as told to their familes each year. A clear connection can be easily made if a Gentile Christian ever loved or cared enough for them to ever engage with them on the matter.
Christians who attend "mass" and celebrate "Easter" with eggs and rabbits know less about the symbolism of why the feast exists than the Jews who were part of the story of the Passover redemption. Jesus Himself as a circumcisd Jew instituted the feast for both Jews and Gentiles.
In fact it was some 15 years before Peter would even consider letting any Gentiles into the Jewish Church until God had to apprehend him by a vision in Joppa/Jaffa where I used to live in the 1990's. So the Jewish Church thrived for a good 100 years from Yeshua's ("Jesus") death until the razing of Jerusalem in 135. And now the haughty Gentiles say they are not welcome!
The majority of Jews don't yet acknowledge the Messiah but Paul clearly explains this as a "mystery" from God as He had "blinded them" for a season, but a full restoration is yet to come.
However, the majority of Gentiles also don't acknowledge the Messiah, but they are blinded by the devil, not by God. You describe the word "synagogue" as if it just pertains to Jews (in a negative way), however the word "sinagoga" in Greek or "Beit Knesset" in Hebrew is just a generic term for a "meeting house" of place of gathering, so Gentiles can meet in a "meeting house" (synagogue/sinagoga) too, it is not an exclusively Jewish word, but Gentile Christians treat it as such. Instead they prefer the word "church" to describe their buildings, but this is not the Biblical usage either. The word for "church" in Greek and in Hebrew simply means a CONGREGATION ("KEHILAH"), not a building.
The building is the synagogue! But in their eagerness to separate and distance themselves from the "perfidious Jews" Gentile Christians and the early Church Fathers tried to make this distinction, but it does not match Biblical grammar or usage. Just because it was used in the New Testament to describe where some Jews met at those times does not make the generic terminology solely a Jewish one! This antipathy to all things "Jewish" has been endemic in the Gentile Church for centuries, yet their clergy want to call themselves "priests"! Seems illogical.
The original "One New Man" Church instituted by Yeshua was for BOTH Jews AND Gentles(and still is!), not exclusively for non-Jews as you seem to suggest by saying, "Why would a Jew attend a catholic or orthodox mass and receive the euchatist?" I would say the Church is open to ALL, including all the Gentiles, who are in the majority. Why too would they attend either?
For a start those within the churches need to make them welcome with Christ's love.
That's the bit that's sadly lacking among all the self-righteousness and judgement.
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They're chanting "from the river to the sea - free Palestine" - do they know what they are saying? They are demanding the wiping out of an entire population because they are Jews!
From the Jordan River (which is Hebrew, not Arabic) to the Mediterranean Sea in Israel is the entire historical land of Canaan (about the size of Wales), known as Judea after the Tribe of Judah who lived there, but "Palestine" that they call for to be free is not actually geographically or historically "from the river to the sea", but is the ancient land of PHILISTIA, where the ancient Philistines dwelt, who used to attack and terrorise ancient Israel, the most famous one being the giant Goliath. However, this territory is not Israel or Canaan, but the narrow coastal strip of land where Gaza is today. That is "Palestine"! 🙃
The Jewish boy king David felled the giant by a small pebble and a sling-shot. Israel may appear like little Jewish David among the many powerful oil-rich Arab nations that surround it, including the modern day Philistines or "Palestinians," although they are in reality migratory Arabs from Arabia, but being small does not mean that Israel will lose the battle.
Ireland backs the Muslims in this case to wipe out all traces of Christian and Jewish holy places in the Land of the Bible by the Islamists in their new Caliphate, yet the churches in Ireland are named after Jews who lived in Israel, such as St Mary's, St Joseph's etc., and they worship a Jew who was born in Israel, not "Palestine", yet they hate the land of Israel! 🤯
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@nadiar.7788 God never told Solomon to have multiple wives, but he did ask him what he did want, and he said he wanted wisdom, and as a result he was the known as the wisest man on earth, and seemingly with that God-given wisdom he accumulated a whole host of females! 🙃
On the other hand, one could view it that it was the females that caused him to lose that wisdom! God never told millions of Gentile denominational Christians to hold a day on the first day of the working week to venerate the resurrection either, but men will do as THEY see fit.
If God's Son is the SAME yesterday, today and forever, how come His holy given Name, YESHUA, which means "salvation," has CHANGED COMPLETELY into the man-made transmogrified name "Jesus" which He would never have heard in His lifetime? Men will do as THEY see fit. 🙃
God's Commandments are righteous and everlasting, yet I know that countless professing Christians totally disregard the Fourth Commandment concerning keeping the SEVENTH DAY holy as the Sabbath of the LORD, which even Yeshua said was "made for MAN," and which He reiterated in the New Testament by saying it was "LAWFUL to do good on the SABBATH."
I do recall Sodom & Gomorrah ("S'DOM & AMORAH") and most Christians misapply the story to be an exclusively male homosexual plot, and thus even words like "Sodomy" and "Sodomite" have entered the English vocabulary as words to describe gay people, often very pejoratively by self-righteous Christian ministers and by heterosexual homophobes within "straight" society.
This all stems down to one small word in Genesis 19:4 where the English Bibles read that "MEN" surrounded Lot's house wanting to carnally "know" the two angels who had come there.
However, Hebrew is a very chauvinistic language, and plurals are always written exclusively as MALE, unless it is a group of ONLY FEMALES, then the word will be spelt as a FEMALE PLURAL.
However, for gatherings of BOTH MALES AND FEMALES, the group would be described as MALE, as in this instance as "MEN," which in some cases could be ONLY MEN, but we can only know from context, and so we must look for it in the passage. There are different words for "MEN"/"MAN" in Hebrew, such as ADAM, GEVERIM, ISH, and ANASHIM, all with differing roots giving them different nuances. The word used here is ANASHIM, which is related to root word ANUSH, meaning "HUMAN," not just strictly "male," but more accurately describes "PEOPLE."
But this "MEN" anomaly gets repeated throughout Scripture when describing MIXED-SEX groups of people as "MEN," such as "men of Jerusalem" at the Day of Pentecost in Acts, and "men of Galilee" when the angels addressed the crowd after the Ascension on the Mount of Olives.
These were not "men only" events, even though the word "men" is used and rendered so in English. The same applies when the New Testament refers to "sons of God," it does not mean that no women will get to heaven or receive salvation. We come across this male plural in the Bible.
However, this is DOUBLY backed up in the Sodom verse (19:4) as it ALSO has the SINGULAR word for "PEOPLE," in English when it cites "PEOPLE from every quarter" (of the city), and not only "MEN"!
However, narrow-minded bigotted people will not want to hear this truth. This is the small Hebrew word "AM," as in "AM ISRAEL" or the "PEOPLE OF ISRAEL," so even if you insist that the word ANASHIM is 100% "MEN" (even though it is not elsewhere in Scripture), this secondary usage of the word "PEOPLE" clearly proves that this was an event concerning "PEOPLE," and not just a gathering of exclusively male homosexuals. Why would Lot offer his daughters to a crowd of homosexuals?! 🤔
Rather, the fate of Sodom (and Gomorrah, for it was not linked to the event at Lot's house) was decided by God in the PREVIOUS CHAPTER when Abraham bargains with God on behalf of his nephew Lot to save the cities, but it was revealed that there were not even 5 righteous people in the two cities (apart from Abraham's relatives) and so their fate was sealed. It was already PREDETERMINED before this incident outside Lot's house. If it was only concerning that, then God owes Gomorrah an apology, for they were not even involved in it. 🙃
The truth is that the whole city (or both cities) were corrupt and depraved, and although I am sure homosexuality and lesbianism was practised there alongside every other kind of sexual deviation, such as adultery, fornication, lust, orgies, incest, voyeurism, bestiality etc etc.
This crowd were bent on sexually molesting these two angelic visitors that Jude mentions as going after "strange flesh." The Hebrew grammar shows that this is a MIXED-SEX gathering.
So, you ask me to recall Sodom & Gomorrah, and I do, but not in the same exclusively homosexual way that most Gentile Christians do, who are focussed only on the word "men."
That in know way lessens the gravity of where the Bible proscribes homosexuality in both the Old and New Testaments, so it is not a "get out clause," but just an honest reading of the text.
I spent time explaining this to my father, who replied, "I still prefer it the old way"! 🙄
Man-made influence holds strong, even over the authority and truth of Scripture, which is why Yeshua said that the TRADITIONS OF MEN make the Word of God of none-effect.
Thus is true here of the intetpretation of Sodom, of cancelling out the Sabbath of the LORD, in favour of the uncommanded "Sun"-day named after the SUN but not the SON, and replacing the Passover of the LORD, on which date Yeshua died and asked to remember His atoning DEATH, not ever His birth or resurrection, "as often as ye do this" i.e. celebrate Passover, not "do this as often as you like," which is basically what happens in most Gentile churches on their Roman "moveable" feast of "Easter," named after the pagan godess Eostre/Eastre with weekly and annual "Lord's Suppers" being held at breakfast time when it is illegal normally to drink wine.
God may not change, but Christians have changed much about Him and His Word in order to fit into their own doctrine. At the Name of YESHUA every knee shall bow, but who will know it? 🤯
Shavua tov - have a good week! 🤗
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@TheJohnnyJohnny Well, I would check the Bible, not the Talmud. It is read worldwide by Jews and non-Jews alike, upheld in Courts of Law as a symbol of truth and taught in churches and cathedrals across the globe, and the history in it is borne out by modern archaeology.
That Book clearly defines the nuances between Canaan, Israel & Judaea & Philistia, from which the true colonialists from Europe get their label Palestine named after the ancient Philistines.
I'm sure a clear reading of its pages will help with your confusion concerning colonialism, as it is far from a fairy tale, but is one of the greatest realities concerning the future as well as the past. Israel's exiles have always been followed by promises of return to their land, and this current movement is the fulfilment of some 2,000 years of wandering, persecution & murder.
"For the time to favour Zion has come."
"When the LORD shall build up Zion, He shall appear in His glory."
🫒🫒🫒 🕎 🍇🍇🍇
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@maisobh9390 : The capital of "Palestine" or historically in the Bible PHILISTIA is the city of Gaza, capital of the Philistines who always picked fights and fought bitter wars with Israel. It is the Philistines who sent Delilah to deceive Samson the Strongman of Israel by cutting his hair and getting him killed, and it was in Philistia that the giant Goliath came against the shepherd boy David in his might, later to become the illustrious King David of Israel but little Jewish David slayed the boasting giant with a sling and a smooth pebble between the eyes in God's strength.
This region has a warring history and Israel has always had many enemies, but they ALWAYS survived. There are no Sumerians, Parthians, Medes, Assyrians, Hittites, Amalekites, Edomites, Moabites, Canaanites, Girgashites, and all the other "ites" including the Philistines today, who either came against Israel or tried to take their land, but never succeeded and became nothing.
But Israel is still a people before the LORD God of Israel. They come from the same forefather as their Semitic cousins the Arabs, namely Abraham/Ibrahim (Avraham), and the Arabs dwelt in Arabia and the Jews in Judea. What is unfair about that? But now the Arabs want Judea too!
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@BillY-tw8xc Hamas attacks Israel, which is just as bad and a brutal approach too. Israel left Gaza in 2005, so how are they occupying Gaza? The Gazans have their own democratically elected Government who are responsible for the Palestinian Arabs' affair in their territory.
All countries have to border another unless they are an island, and Israel cannot help being next to Gaza, but having a border does not mean occupation, even if there is some co-operation on the provision of things like the passage of electicity, water, and other essentials, much of which infrastructure Israel improved during their tenure there, unlike the governments of Egypt or Gaza.
The Arabs were offered a 2 state solution to adopt in 1947 by the UN, but they REFUSED IT!!! 🤯
So how do you figure that that would end the conflict?! Haven't you heard their genocidal calls "from the River to Sea" which means the anihilation of the Jews and the state of Israel 100%!
Then they will be the brutal occupiers. The Arabs were massacring more than 75+ years ago, if you consider the wiping out of the ancient community of Palestinian Jews of Hebron in 1929, then Judea before Jordan annexed it illegally and re-named it the "West Bank" in order to cover up any Jewish legitimacy. No state Arab or otherwise will stop the Islamists hating the Jews. 🙃
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@dareemmanuel6079 There are at least five different Hebrew words rendered as "Law" in English translated copies of the Bible, and they are not all the same in meaning, nuance or application.
For instance a HOK or HUKKIM is a law or rule pertaining the Temple, the Tabernacle and in particular blood sacrifices that were nailed to the Tree, as the New Testament points out.
When I lived in Israel and something "illegal" was being referred to, it was called "LO HOKI," or "not legal/lawful." However the word most commonly attacked by Gentile denominational Christians as "LAW" is the Hebrew word "TORAH," which is the rough term also given to the first five books of the Bible, but its intrinsic meaning is "TEACHING," which does not sound so legalistic as "LAW." In fact my Hebrew teacher in Tel-Aviv was called a "MORAH," which is the linked root word for "TEACHER," which is also the intrinsic meaning of the name of the site where the Temple was built and where also Yeshua taught in its precincts, which was Mount Moriah, as "MORI-YAH" means "The LORD is My Teacher." Thus in Hebraic terms the TORAH or LAW OF GOD, is more accurately understood as the TEACHING OF GOD, and even Yeshua's TEACHING in the New Testament is the very same word TORAH rendered into Greek, and then into English often as "DOCTRINE." So you are RIGHT to say that the LAW is a (school) TEACHER, as the Scriptures are actually affirming its intrinsic meaning and purpose, to TEACH us about God and about sin.
The Bible says that sin is a trangression of the Law, so if the School Master has gone away, as you put it, then you are saying that GOD'S TEACHING ("TORAT ELOHIM") is a worthless thing, and if TORAH is rejected by Christians under grace through faith, then that would include the teaching of Yeshua too ("TORAT YESHUA"), as the two are bound together in the same meaning & word.
If Law isn't necessary now, as you say, then there is no recorded measure for right and wrong, and we all do what we feel is right in each man's own eyes, which is a Biblical description of when men stray from God, which makes Gentile Christians basically LAW-LESS, the one thing that Yeshua will cite on that day when those who did great things in His Name (most likely the man-made "Jesus" over the God-given YESHUA, meaning "salvation"), "I never KNEW you. Depart from Me, you who practise LAW-LESS-NESS." Being saved does not cancel out God's TEACHING, which most Gentile Christians refer to in rather a limited and negative understanding as "LAW."
God's TEACHING/"LAW"/ "TORAH" may be written in our hearts now because we heed it and honour it, not because we reject it, ignore it, break it, or teach that it has been done away with, as the written LAW/"TORAH"/"TEACHING" still stands. Yeshua came as no one can keep it 100%.
But that does not mean that God's standards have changed, but that through faith we obey.
There is already enough confusion about what is inspired by the Holy Spirit or not with so many differing demoninations and sects all claiming inspired truth direct from the Holy Spirit, yet they strongly disgree. A house divided against itself cannot stand. That is why God gave the Bible in written format as no one can argue with or doubt the written word, yet many make it obsolete, by refusing to honour or heed GOD'S LAW or TEACHING, which Yeshua said not one jot or tittle would pass away from until ALL BE FULFILLED, and that will not be until He returns again.
You also have some knowledge, which for me too is refreshing. However I have difficulty with your analysis and matching it to what the Hebrew Bible says in its original intention & meaning.
You say that the LAW/"TEACHING"/"TORAH" was "never final," so what will God use to on Judgement Day to assess those who have fallen into sin, or will He just rely on the Holy Spirit?
Noah also found GRACE in the eyes of the LORD in the Old Testament BEFORE THE LAW ("TEACHING") was written down at Sinai, yet He knew the distinctions between CLEAN & UNCLEAN animals, as God boarded them upon the Ark in TWOS & SEVENS, the smaller number for UNCLEAN scavenging animals just for breeding purposes, as they were created to play a vital ecological role in cleaning the planet of detritus and rotting carcasses, whereas the CLEAN animals were boarded in larger numbers, seven being the number of perfection in the Bible, because God permitted them to eat as FOOD, long before there was any written LAW/"TEACHING," so Noah must have had it WRITTEN ON HIS HEART, just as you say Christians today do under grace. You mention Abraham, but the Bible says that Abraham kept God's Laws and Commandments, so he wasn't as LAW-LESS as today's modern Christians boast to be.
You told me not to limit the story next time and to give the full picture, so I hope this is a bit fuller for you for you to analyse and compare to Scripture to see if it contradicts God's Word.
Shalom-peace 🌿🕊
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@learningnevaends6026 I am not saying anything of the sort as the application of the video is about a Christian mother objecting Christian terms to what her child does in school. 🙃
My response was to point out that those same Christians indocrinate children with agendas of their own, albeit a religious belief or moral outlook, but it is still being foisted onto children in the same forceful and insidious way. If you want to apply the argument to other religions that is up to you, but I did not feel the need to as the subject was to do with a Christian's objections, not that of another faith. Why are you trying to drag me into a bigger argument that is not there?
If it were a Muslim objecting in the video, then I might respond concerning a madrassa, but it is not, and considering it is only my own life experience to be forced to go to "Sunday School" in my culture, bribed by sweets and "prizes" in order to indocrinate me, that is all I can really refer to.
I'm sure if a Muslim was concerned about madrassas they would express it, but very few adherents to a religion are brave or free enough to think beyond their indocrinated state.
That's why it took Someone like Yeshua, whom the Gentiles later changed into "Jesus," to object to religious strongholds and hypocrisy which thrive whenever man-made tradition takes over.
These self-righteous religious always act like the Pharisees trying to catch people out and trip them up by hypothetical arguments that have nothing to do with God, but is just THEIR opinion.
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@corvusglaive4804 It is not up to heterosexuals, whether they be Conservative or not, to decide the fate or practice of another segment of society made up of capable thinking human beings that can conduct their own affairs, likes and dislikes, and ways to establish a relationship.
Why should gay people have to get permission from heterosexuals to do the same in ceremony what they do without having to check with the gay community if it is 'acceptable' in THEIR eyes?!
Marriage is as much an exclusively heterosexual institution as much as paying tax is just a heterosexual thing. A rule and an obligation can apply to any group, not just a high "elite."
Heterosexuals don't "own" marriage. They may have practised it up until now in order to have their unions recognised in public before their community, friends and family, but with new laws recognising the UNIONS of same-sex couples, there is no logical reason why they should be refused an identical basic right, and not to accept what heterosexuals have decided for them as "their own version of it," the "their" being the heterosexuals who are offering the "version."
Why is marriage created for heterosexual couples, while "civil partnerships" created for same-sex couples? Who is doing the "creating" of these things and deciding who gets what?
If gays can't marry, then let all heterosexuals just have "civil partnerships," because the gay community have decided that that is what is to be set up for them as a new "version" of marriage. Then everyone would be equal without marriage, but still forging life-long unions.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, and why should one group of society project their views and protestations over another group in telling adults how to unify relationships?! 🙃
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@gtaambassador744 Well, to answer your questions without attracting further condemnation, criticism or hostility from your good self, and I am not a fan of 'labels,' I think you would have to properly define your questions using the more accurate terms "practising Christian" and "practising homosexual," as it is possible to desist from practising both.
I think whatever I answer I will still come under fire, which is why I have learned in life, especially in dealing with Christian people trying to find information on you, that one is perhaps best to keep one's own counsel, as I have suffered in the past at the hands of people for being open.
The truth is that in my life I have experienced both camps, but never the twain can meet. At age 15 I was induced into Christianity by attending a local YMCA in my home town in Northern Ireland during the years of the Protestant-Catholic "Troubles," and I was led in the "Sinner's Prayer" by a couple in their living room who were volunteers at the YMCA in June 1981. However, at such a young impressionable age I had not yet encountered adult sexual matters, which began to develop in the next two or three years after that, but not in a way that I expected, and so I had to keep my feelings (towards members of my own sex) a very big secret, as I had already heard some very vitriolic sermons on "Sodomites," (a word I never found in the Bible specifying a homosexual) and I knew that I now faced a very lonely problem on my own to make sense of.
Anyhow, as my teens progressed, after being quite a zealot giving out Christian literature in my town in the shelters where drunks hung out and in the bars and pubs as an underage minor, I realised that some of my former school friends were talking quite openly about being "gay" etc.
It was not overnight, but just as a young heterosexual youth (if you can remember) starts to feel more attractions to the opposite sex, this was happening to me, but not with the opposite sex.
No amount of prayers seemed to change those feelings to become solely towards women, even though I had plenty of opportunities with very many pretty girls, as I was the better looking of my younger twin brother and me. After a bitter divorce between my parents, I chose to remain with my father and brother, while my sister and mother left on Christmas Day when we were 12 to another man who would eventually become my stepfather. It was not a Christian home.
I was the first Christian in my family, but within the course of time, my father, brother, aunt, uncle, cousins and grandmother all became Christians being somewhat influenced by myself, except for my mother and younger sister who had left to live in Great Yarmouth, England.
My mother invited me to come to England to visit around that time, and I ended up getting a summer chef's job there in a holiday park. However, my boss there was gay and lived with his partner, and they were friendly with a lesbian couple who worked there as bar staff, and they often invited me to sit with them after work. I had also been cycling some miles to attend a little Assemblies Of God church there, but I was beginning to get an increasing conflict with my inner feelings, which I could see other people openly expressing in front of me, and with the teaching of the Bible which said these things were wrong. I returned back home to Dad's in N. Ireland after the summer and my boss had given me a black & white copy of a newspaper called Gay News which listed pubs and venues in Northern Ireland etc., which was found wrapped up in a towel in my drawer in my bedroom by grandmother looking for laundry. My father approached me that day with an ultimatum. "No son of mine is gay! This is a Christian house! Burn the newspaper or leave!" I said that burning the newspaper wouldn't solve anything, and I left. I was 18.
I never lived with my father again.
After this a school friend who was gay told me of an elderly gay landlord just across the road on the seafront of where my father's house was, and he could see where I was living. Many gay people frequented that house and soon I realised that I could not be gay and go to church.
Northern Ireland is a very judgemental place to live, and I was not attracted to the narrow pulpitism that emanated from any congregations I had attended, and the hateful way they spoke of gay people, calling them "queer" and other pejoratives did not attract me to their brand.
I ended up moving back to England where I got a job as Sous Chef in a good hotel, and my mother and sister ended up being supportive of my homosexual conundrum, and I ended up in a two-year relationship that ended rather dramatically after I found a letter from someone else under the stair carpet. I moved in with a Christian couple who rented me a room and I attended a small Elim Church there. I planned to return to N.I., but thought of a break in between and looked at the prices of a Holy Land Tour to Israel, but they were all very expensive, so I ignored that.
Then another Christian guy renting a room in the same place handed me a Christian magazine called Jobs Abroad. It covered mostly clergy and missionary positions (excuse the pun) and I was about to set it down when I spotted a job for Chef/Catering Manager, Israel. I ended up writing off and I got a reply from the Anglican Church's 200-year-old Mission To The Jews saying that the post had been taken. The magazine was already 3 months out of date. However, they continued, another vacancy had opened up at our Guest House in Tel-Aviv, so if you still feel led, please apply. Soon I had an interview, and after training set off to live a missionary life in Israel.
After 4 years I met a young Israeli on the beach and we became friends. I was in my twenties.
At this point I was attending a group led by the Pastor of the Messianic Hebrew Jewish Christian Congregation or "Kehilah" that met on the premises where I was chef, and the group was for Christians (Jewish, Hebrew-speaking) struggling with homosexuality, about seven of us, both men and women. After a few weeks they said I needed to open up more, but with this friendship now developing into a relationship with the young Israeli guy, I knew I could lose my job.
The pastor assured me that anything said within those four walls would go no further, and so I shared that I had met someone, but was not sure where it was going. I was due that week to go back to the UK at the 4-year juncture for a 3-month furlough, and they promised they would pray for me. In London I was able to stay with a Christian who had been a volunteer in Israel after I arrived in from the flight. The next morning I received a phone call from my boss from Israel asking about the relationship with the Israeli. The pastor told him everything. I lost my job.
However, I got a job as Chef de Partie in King Solomon Fine Dining Restaurant at the Hilton Tel-Aviv where I fed the rich and famous, including both British & Israeli Prime Ministers. I felt betrayed by the pastor and stayed away from Christian congregations while adapting to life in Israeli society, staying another 6 years, with a Filipino partner for 5 of those years. He ended up becoming a Christian by listening to my Gospel CDs and reading my books and literature.
After 10 years I returned home and bid Tel-Aviv goodbye or "shalom." I connected with the Irish Branch of the Missionary Society I had worked for in Israel and got voted onto their Committee and I got asked to do talks about Israel, do Passover meals and to teach basic Hebrew.
For about 10 years I remained totally celibate and got involved in Messianic Jewish work by holding Sabbath meetings and teachings from a Hebraic perspective, and even testified on television about about being a Christian and struggling with homosexuality. The local newspapers published the story, but twisted my words somewhat to make it more favourable to the LGBT community, and as a result many Christians shunned me. That still goes on.
My love affair with the Church and Christians was beginning to wear thin. Next the Messianic pastor confronted me about being gay, due to some gossip that had broken out. I admitted the fact, but assured him that I was living a celibate Christian life, but he said, "Until we can trust you, we need to ask you not to come to the congregation." Christianity & me did not mix!
I attended an online Christian Counselling group during the Covid period, similar to the one in Tel-Aviv, and a Brazilan guy asked for my e-mail and we corresponded, but it awoke something in me that reminded me of my loneliness. Christians continued to shun and avoid me.
In the end I realised that I will never fit in with these people, no matter what I do.
I later met a person with a similar story to me and we connected. That was 2 years ago and we are both happy. The atrraction back to the condemnation of Christianity is not convincing.
I hope that answers your questions, but most complain if a reply is too long.
Shalom 🌿🕊
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@lorrygeewhizzbang9521 Well, not OFFICIALLY, although it does get used in some circumstances.
It is actually based on the ancient coat of arms of the province of Ulster, which is the Red Hand of Ulster on a red cross with pale yellow background, which was adapted to make a flag with a white background with the adaptation of the Crown on top of the Red Hand, but this was later withdrawn from OFFICIAL use, even though there are many of them flying in my neighbourhood as the 12th of July approaches here in County Down, but they do tend to get used by unionist Protestants so not viewed as being representative of all the citizens of Northern Ireland.
However, the Red Hand is an ancient symbol found on many Irish documents and civic buildings across Ireland, including Dublin, so it isn't strictly a Protestant symbol, but the addition of the Crown gave it a British significance. However, even the Province of Ulster has nine counties, with only six in Northern Ireland and another three in the Republic of Ireland, and the Red Hand belongs to both Irish and British regions of the Province. One's a flag, the other a coat of arms. You will not see the Northern Irish flag at any official events, only the British Union flag.
However, thank you for pointing it out. That is why it does not come up as an "emojji". 🇬🇧 🤚
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@Rejector I was saying about the Ugandan President being interviewed and saying unapologetically that homosexuals are "disgusting," that I equally found his bigotted narrow-minded attitude "disgusting" as well. That was the title of the video clip.
Hence I texted, he's pretty disgusting himself (the interviewed President, not Putin).
You then texted "he's a legend" and I looked up the word in the dictionary and it gave me that definition, but I thought you meant that President was a legend. How did we get on to Putin?
It doesn't matter who you feel is a legend, I was quoting what that means in a dictionary.
Maybe you can find a different definition to fit your point of view. Sorry for any confusion.
I was interested in the case of this one man who said homosexuals are disgusting in an interview, not in the poltical viewpoints concerning Putin, although some have reported on difficulties for gay people living in Russia and in other non-democratic countries where gays are often harrassed, undermined, marginalised or even murdered. Here in the west it's Church indocrination that seeks to justify the rejection of homosexuality, which I believe was the factor with the President of Uganda. At any rate, I don't think anyone is a legend, authenticated or not, who encourages the mistreatment and persecution of gay people by their beliefs, actions or pejorative words.
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This is all reported very wrong! Queen Elizabeth was standing in for her husband HRH The Duke of Edinburgh, Prince Philip, who would normally inspect the guards on such occasions, but he had been suffering ill health and was standing down from a lot of his royal duties. When the Duke does this, he always allows the visiting head of state to go before him as a matter of courtesy. On this occasion Her Majesty stood in for the Duke of Edinburgh herself, and so it was right for her to let President Trump proceed before her, and the President would have been briefed beforehand that this was the correct procedure. However, not surprisingly, Mr Trump did wonder for a minute by his momentary pause if this was indeed the case, as it may not have felt right, but the Queen reassuringly led him in the right direction as he was doing the correct thing.
These few seconds of hesitance were broadcast around the world as the President being ignorant and rude, when in fact he was just showing his second nature of being sensitive.
If the Queen was meant to proceed, she would have done so no problem, but acting as the Duke's stand-in the protocol was correct, but the world's media were ignorant of these facts, or refused to acknowledge so as to get a bigger headline. It shows how a lie is half-way around the world before the truth can get its boots on! I rarely trust the media at its word nowadays.
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@thesamuraihobbit I agree, religion is not important across most of Western Europe, as it is in Great Britain (which is not the same as the UK). However, on the island of Ireland, in the Republic, which is mostly in the south, although some of it is geographically in the north, as in Ulster etc., the Irish population largely distance themselves from organised religion since the scandals of clerical abuse broke most people's trust in the religious authorities, especially among the young.
However, in Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK, but not part of mainland Britain, there is still a very strong religious controlling opinion over politics in the media that is very much alive.
So, yes, Western Europeans mostly do not care, but that is not the case in Northern Ireland, but I think it should be as I have found most religious Christians to be awful examples of humanity.
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@mamamarius Jewish is an ethnicity, as they are the Arabs' Semitic cousins, and thevArabs are an ethnicity or a people, not a religion. Judaism is a religion practised by most Jews, but not all. Some are atheist, secular, or converted to other belief systems, such as Buddhism or Christianity, just as most Arabs practice Islam, which is a religion and not an ethnicity, as many Asians and Africans are Muslim, and some Arabs are Christian and, if in the West, even secular.
Adam was the first man.
Abraham was the first Hebrew.
Judah was the first Jew.
Jacob (Israel) was the first Israelite, or as the original Hebrew puts it, Israeli.
And Ishmael was the first Arab.
I'll let you argue who the first Muslim was!
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@andrewstaples7544 I thought the original Palestine was the territory of Philistia where the Philistines lived which is the narrow coastal strip of land where Gaza is today bordering Egypt.
Later conquerers and colonialists may have included some parts of the Holy Land as part of Greater Syria, and used colonial terms such as Syria Palestina, but the territory they were applying that to (to insult and eradicate the Jews) was mostly the land of Canaan, not Philistia, or a combination of the two depending on the time period and the historian writing, which of course was later the Kingdoms of Israel & Judah which cannot be erased from history books.
As it stands, Jews, even as a minority at times, have always dwelt in the Land of the Bible for some 3,500 years, and even if Arabs did live there too or even dominated after the conquest of Islam of the country, the idea of it belonging solely to the Arabs is only a colonial claim. 🙃
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@jhegre Why do you intersperse with Hebrew? Do you think it sounds more fancy or is it meant to be a tactic of diminishment or trying to make something simple more "sinister"?
If you like Hebrew words interspersed in order to make your comment more effective, I can certainly supply them to a NUDNIK like you. Quoting one word over and over is not a sign of erudition. ATA TIPESH! "HASBARAH" is simply the regular generic word from Hebrew vocabulary for "EXPLANATION" in English, nothing more, nothing less, so no mystical conspiracy around it.
It comes from the infinitive verb "LEHASBIR", meaning "TO EXPLAIN." It is not an evil word. 🙃
If you want numbers of Jews killed by Arab attacks over the past century and a half & before you need to Google. Why should I do your work for you if you are not even one bit interested?
Atrocities could go on all around the world, like the children's hospital bombed by Russia most recently, but your preoccupation is on the Arabs, their numbers, their suffering etc only.
I can say from growing up in war-torn Northern Ireland that there is suffering on both sides and no peace will come from promulgating further hate as your loaded comments surely do.
Removing expressions from charters does not in any way affect Hamas's aims & actions, for it still seeks the destruction of Israel & every Jew, as the world could see from October 7th.
Removing "from the river to the sea" from their charter has not stop Islamists and their gullible supporters from chanting its genocidal words in parades & marches in cities across the globe.
That is not a reversal of intention, nor is it a call for peace between both peoples in 2 states.
Your fairytale charter of the Likud is typical of the vitriolic nonsense espoused on this platform by biased one-sided individuals and groups who back the Arabs in their hatred.
"Only Jews from the River to the Sea" is simply fiction, for the State of Israel has Arab and Druze citizens, both Muslim & Christian who have some of the best conditions than in Islamic states.
I would wind your neck in a little bit, and go and boil your head for it seems to be a bit confused.
SHALOM VE LEHITRAOT, AVAL LO IM ANI YAKOL LO ZEH. 🙃 🫒🫒🫒 🇮🇱🕎❤ 🍇🍇🍇 🕊🌿
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@alphacentauri1908 Yes, I know that. The British Mandated area of Palestine was divided in two, with Transjordan on the east bank of the Jordan River becoming in reality an Arab State in what was ruled as Palestine, so a 'Palestinian state' already exists, but it was somehow chosen to be given the Hebrew name of Jordan, the only Arab state to have a Hebrew name, even though most place names on the west bank of the River have historical Biblical names, not Arabic ones.
That is why the Arabs deviously use the nameless term "West Bank" in order to purposely cover up the clear historical and Biblical Jewish links to the land of Judea ("Jew-dea") even by name.
Funny they never were so non-descriptive in naming the Kingdom of Jordan the "East Bank"!
Both Arabs and Jews were called Palestinian under the colonial governance of Britain and Turkey for some 430 years, it not being solely an Arab term, and it never being a sovereign Arab state. Yes, ignorance is bliss, and there is a lot of it about, but most just don't want to know.
You wrote "ignorance is bless". I have never known anyone blessed by ignorance. Shalom. 🕊
Who exactly were the "some" that you were referring to, as you seem to be unspecific. 🤔
I wouldn't want to remain in ignorance by the lack of information which you provide. 🙃
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@moragmckay3779 In your second negative and berating text about there being no archaelogical proof for many occurances in Scripture, the Bible says that we walk by faith, not sight. Doubting Thomas would not believe until he saw the wounds in Yeshua's hands and side, and Yeshua asked him to put his finger there to prove his wounds were real. Do you need to put your finger into every crevice of rock before you will believe every Biblical account? Where is the indisputable archaelogical evidence of Yeshua's life and ministry, death or resurrection? 🤔
There is none, which by the same litmus test makes your faith and your salvation a sham if archaeology is the only way to prove any Biblical text! The angel said rightly to those who sought His earthly remains, "He is not here, for He is risen!" Where is your proof for that great story?! 🤔
You are happy to list the impossibilities of the events that happened to the Israelites, even though they believe them with veracity and have the proof of the graves of their Patriarchs, thus you must apply the same severity and doubt to everything you read in the New Testament!
The Bible is more literal than you believe it to be, and its messages of love and fairness that you cite I have rarely seen being employed when it comes to loving and honouring the Jewish people.
God Himself is a Zionist as He created the word "TZIYYON" from the related Hebrew root word "METZUYAN" meaning wonderful or amazing, just as the word "Jew" YEHUDI means "praise."
As you will note on cards you get this Christmas, Yeshua was born in JUDEA ("JEW-DEA")!!!
Sadly, His hometown and birthplace are now overrun by anti-Jewish Arabs from Arabia. 🙃
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@moragmckay3779 Your beration and vilification of the Jews and Israel in favour of their Semitic cousins the Arabs overlooks one thing, that without the Jewish race there would not have been a Jewish savior or Messiah ("mashiach" = "anointed") called by God YESHUA, meaning "salvation." It is the Gentiles who pick and choose and change the original Scriptures, not the Jews, who hold them up in entirety, even if they are recorded in Scripture for failing God's laws, which every human being on the planet has done, right from Adam and Eve (Hava), for God says (if you can believe the Bible version you read) that "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God" and "there is none righteous, no not one", which was why God needed to send a Saviour, whom the Europeans hammered nails into his hands and feet and thrust a Roman spear into His side, and why Yeshua said to those bent on condemnation, "Let him without sin cast the first stone" and "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." It is the Gentiles who twist the given Name YESHUA, the Name above all other names, and before which every knee shall bow, into the transmogrified "Jesus" which Yeshua would never have heard in His lifetime.
It is they who change the name Hava into "Eve" and many more such linguistic travesties.
God states in His Word that as long as there is a sun, moon and stars in the sky, so will Israel remain a nation before Him, and it was He who coined the word Zion as the mountain upon which Jerusalem would be built, which the Gentiles, even Christians, twist into negativity.
The Gentiles ignore and break more of God's Commandments than the Jews have ever done, and killed a million Jewish children in Christian Europe within living memory without excuse.
They change the names of the days of the week as numbered in the Bible by God in honour of pagan gods and idol worship, namely the sun. Moon, Tiw, Woden, Thor, Freya or Frigg, and Saturn, which the Jews would not even dare to have on their lips, as it is forbidden to even have the names of other gods on their lips. It is the Gentiles who have replaced the Passover of the LORD, the day upon which Yeshua was crucified (Nisan 14th) at God's ordained "Appointed Time" or "MOED/MOADIM" ("Holy Festival") and which Yeshua asked us to remember His suffering and death, with the man-made Roman "Easter" named after the fertility goddess "Eostre/Eastre" and it is the Gentiles, who replace the commanded Sabbath of the LORD with the non-commanded "Sun"-day, named in honour of the SUN, but not the Son, so who is it that is being inconsistent?
Being chosen to do a task, namely to write and preserve the Scripures for all mankind, does not mean that they are a "Master Race" as you term it in Gentile European Germanic terminology.
If Abraham's two sons had Twelve Tribes each equally, the Israelites and the Ishmaelites, today the Jews and Arabs, why should the Arabs have nearly all of the Middle East, and their cousins the Jews nothing? Is that fair? Would Abraham want that? Does God? Yeshua lived in Israel!!! 🕎
The real usurpers are the Arabs taking advantage of the ethnic cleansing of the Jews by the European occupiers from Rome in 135 CE on pain of death, who crossed the porous borders and took the Hebrew named ancient Biblical Jewish cities of Nazareth, Bethlehem, Hebron, Joppa etc and now have the audacity to call the Jews "illegal", many of whom were Palestinian pre 1948!
Yes, many Israelis do stand up and care for the Palestinians, as most of them are moderate fair-minded people who believe in peace ("shalom" = "wholeness") and democracy, which cannot be said about the Arabs concerning their Jewish cousins which they discriminated against long before there was any State of Israel, as the massacre of the ancient community of Palestinian Jews of Hebron in 1929 shows only too clearly in the most barabaric fashion as in October 7th.
The colonialists of Palestine were successive rulers from the Romans, Greeks, Egyptians to the Turks and the British in the 430 years leading up to the UN Partition Plan in 1947 which the Arabs refused. The Jews were not colonial rulers, but simply accepted the 1947 UN offer.
God has punished Israel in His dealings with them, but He still loves them, and it is to them that Yeshua will one day return to usher in True Peace ("shalom" wholeness) in Jerusalem. 🕎
Meanwhile the world clamours for the Holy City to become an Islamic Caliphate for Arabs. 🇸🇦
If you claim to be a Christian you need to check your heart before God concerning the Jews, as Paul asks in the book of Romans, "Has God then cast away His people (Israel)?" His response is emphatic and unambiguous, when he expostulates: "CERTAINLY NOT!" (Some put "GOD FORBID!")
The first Zionists were not religious, you are correct, as this was a prophetic move of God, not of man, after some 2,000 years, when the Bible states that the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled, i.e. the Church Age coming to a close as God starts to call Jews back to the land for Yeshua.
They come back in unbelief so they can be rescued from their enemies who will attack them at the Battle of Armageddon, near what was once Jewish Nazareth, the hometown of Yeshua.
The climate is ready for such a move from the hatred shown against them among the nations, with even professing Christians joining in the call to wipe the land & people of Israel off the map.
Yes, men will pick and choose what they want from the Bible, that's why I read the original Hebrew where there are no Gentile tampering and translation that leads to all common errors.
You cannot claim Yeshua yet ignore His Jewish heritage and upbringing in the Jewish land.
As Corrie ten Boom said of Christians in Holland who betrayed Jews in WWII, "Just because a mouse is in the cookie jar, does not mean that he is a cookie!" So it is with the churches who resent the Jews. Many who are called Christian are not true in doctrine and Biblical belief.
Even the Jews call Adolf Hitler a "Christian" because he was not a Jew or a Muslim.
God will judge each human being for his works, and even for their words (as on this platform concerning Israel), as it says that, "Every idle word that a man shall speak, he shall give account of it in the Day of Judgement." Your words above are recorded as are all of your own black sins.
As for Israel, "He that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep." Psalms of David. 🕎 ❤
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@dennisolesen6188 You are very cheeky in your tone, if you believe in love and truth 😒, I certainly don't feel it in your self-justifying self-righteous commentary. So was Yeshua wrong in being a Jew? Should the Scriptures not have mentioned it? What is wrong with nationality or ethnicity? People will accept many races, except for the Jews, whom most look down upon.
He also said, "If you love Me, keep My Commandments", so being obedient is showing love?
He took to task the religious elite of His day because of their man-made TRADITIONS which He said made the Word of God of none-effect, which is what we see in Gentile Christendom with the man-made inventions of the Mass of Christ ("Christ-Mass"), "Lent", "Easter" named after a pagan fertility godess Eostre/Eastre and not Yeshua, in place of the Passover of the LORD, the actual date upon which He was crucified and asked us to remember, and the promulgation of "Sun-day, named after the SUN 🌞 and not the Son, as a rest day in place of the holy Sabbath of the LORD.
Yes, the synagogue of Satan is ANY meeting place that is under deception of the evil one. 👹
Synagogue is a generic word from the Greek SINAGOGA and before that from the Hebrew BEIT KNESSET, meaning "meeting house" or more literally " house of going in" for ANY people group.
It does not only apply to Jews, and in fact where it is quoted in the New Testament is applying to apostate churches. A church or KEHILAH in Hebrew means CONGREGATION, and does not apply to a building, but anti-Jewish Christians have called their buildings "churches" in order not to be associated with Jews, by refusing to use the word "meeting house" or "synagogue"!
The New Testament does mention ethnicity in stating that there is neither Jew nor Greek (Gentile, or non-Jew) in Christ (Messiah), but that does not mean that He cancelled them out.
It also states the same about male and female, and they certainly still exist in the Church, unless the Gospel is anti-gender, which would certainly suit today's society. The differences still remain, only they are one in the One New Man Church with the walls of hostility torn down, but some Gentile Christians raise those differences up again by impugning Jews, but not Gentiles.
Jews are a component of the Church, and not to be steamrolled into becoming Gentiles, any more than a Jew should try to make a Gentile Jewish, and often Gentiles forget the Jewish roots of the Church, where for 100 years the Church in Jerusalem was Jewish with some 12 Jewish bishops after James, whose actual name is Ya'akov, until the Europeans from Rome razed the Holy City in 135 CE ethnically cleansing the Promised Land of its Jewry so Arabs could flood in.
No, we don't have different Bibles, but one's understanding ofvwhat is actually written in it can differ from person to person. It is not about having a bad memory, but absorbing it correctly. 🙃
The Church is so foreign to Jews now with all the Bible characters transmogrified into Gentile-sounding names, that not only is the Gospel unrecognisable, but the anti-Jewishness of many professing Christians repels them, with man-made traditions the Jewish Church never knew. 🕎
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@James-lg1ix Well before 'their' government and state Palestine belonged to various colonialists, namely Judea annexed illegally by Jordan, and pre-1948 the whole land was governed by both Turkish and British governments for a total of 430 years. So what about their Governments? Did they belong?
What do mean "it belongs to Palestine"? What or who is Palestine? Is it Arab only, as it certainly has never been before in a sovereign state sense for all of that 430 year period.
Palestinian Jews, Arabs & Druze lived there, but it was not an Arab state. So how can it return to being one? I know Jews and Christians who love all people too, whether they be Muslim or any other religion or race, but how do you think an Islamic Arab Government in Palestine will treat them? As equals, or as second-class dhimmis who are less than the ruling Muslims?
Any history book will testify that Israel had a sovereign kingdom in that land with famous kings like David & Solomon. Jacob was re-named Israel and the Jews dwelt in Judea ("Jew-dea").
The 12 Tribes of Ishmael settled in the vast now oil-rich expanse of what is now Arabia.
How can the Arabs who orginially hail from Arabia lay sovereign claim to that Judaic land?
That's why they re-named Judea as the nameless "West Bank" in order to erase any historical Jewish links to the territory or their Hebrew-named cities, as they can't very well found a new state called the Arab State of Judea! If a Jewish government and state does not belong, why should an Arab one? Why not re-name Jordan as the "East Bank" to erase its name?
I love all peoples too as a Christian, but I am uncomfortable with some of the Arabs' claims.
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@HZET-dn8nx God isn't racist, like the anti-Jewish Arabs, but He does discriminate based on how people treat His People Israel. In the story of the Exodus Moses went to the Egyptian Pharoah with a message from God, which was, "Let MY PEOPLE go!" They are His People.
That does not mean that they are any better than other peoples, but they were simply chosen for spiritual reasons by God, namely to write and preserve the Bible for the world, and to become the Royal Line that would be the conduit for God's Son Yeshua the Messiah to be born in Israel. 🕎
Would you prefer your people to have done that instead, and would you have done it any better?
The democratically elected Government of Gaza has shown how they kill children and innocent people, just because they are Jews. That is discriminatory and racist, and therefore the opposite to God. That is not benevolence, no matter how much they chant "Allah hu akbar!"
God does bless, but Arab hate and intransigence has not brought them any God-given blessing.
You quote the Ten Commandments. Do you keep all ten? At sunset this evening the Sabbath starts, so I am guessing you are 100% obedient to God and getting ready for your day of rest.
You'd be surprised how many people quote things and don't even do them themselves! 🙃
Shabbat shalom 🫒🫒🫒🫒 🕎 🍇🍇🍇🍇 "Sabbath peace" 🕊🌿🌸
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@richards5504 Who told you that? Do you have a proof source? 🤔
Matthew's Gospel says something different to your (obviously anti-Israel) claim:
1. After Jesus (Yeshua) was born in Bethlehem in JUDEA, during the time of King Herod, wise men arrived from the east in Jerusalem.
13. Now when they had gone, behold an Angel of the LORD appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, "Get up! Take the Child and His mother and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you; for Herod is going to search for the Child to destroy Him."
19. But when Herod died, behold an Angel of the LORD appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, and said,
20. "Get up, take the Child and His mother, and go into the land of ISRAEL; for those who sought the Child's life are dead."
21. So Joseph got up, took the Child and His mother, and came into the land of ISRAEL.
I DON'T SEE ANY "PALESTINE" MENTIONED HERE, ONLY "JUDEA" AND "ISRAEL."
And that is is the Holy Bible spoken by the Angel of the LORD.
Have you more authority than Him?
Show me proof from during Yeshua's lifetime.
Speaking Aramaic does not mean that He was a Palestinian Arab.
He was a Jew and spoke Hebrew when reading from the Scriptures in the synagogue.
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@LeeP-lr5ym Where does it say that? That is history revisionism! He was king of the Jews, not sheik of the Arabs. You're manipulating history to match your own modern political opinion. 🙃
Bethlehem was a Jewish town, which was why Yeshua, as His given Name is, was born there, as it was the birthplace of King David, Israel's most illustrious king, of whom Yeshua was a descendant. If He were to be born there today His parents would be put out of the city for being Jewish as it is now occupied by Arabs most of whom now serve Allah & not the God of Israel.
Christmas or the Mass of Christ is a Roman Catholic invention, and it's absurdity is accentuated by the fact that it is held on both December 25th and January 6th by different denominations. Yeshua as a Jew would not join in this semi-pagan ritual & commercial crass.
"When the LORD shall build up Zion, He shall appear in His glory." 💥
"For the time to favour Zion had come." 🕎
"Palestine",as you call it, was called PHILISTIA in Biblical times, and was only the narrow coastal strip of land where Gaza is today, not the whole land of Canaan which God gave to Israel as an EVERLASTING POSSESSION. The Arabs were allotted the vast now oil-rich expanse of Arabia, so was God being unfair? You want to give the Arabs Judea ("Jew-dea") and the Jews nothing? ❗
What would their father Abraham say of such self-centred and unfair division of territory? ❓
Ishmael had 12 Tribes & Israel had 12 Tribes. Just like the story of Joseph, the Jews were pushed into foreign lands, but each time exile took place in the Bible there was always return.
This is the Divine miracle and Biblical prophecy that we see unfolding before our eyes after 2,000 years, sadly after persecution, pillage and almost anihilation at the hands of Christians, yet their own Arab cousins would not welcome them but despise the very ground they walk on.
In this the Arabs have only reaped mizery for themselves and the region, rather than seeing it as a blessing and enjoying the mutual prosperity that cordiality instead of hate could bring to all.
You say Zionist, but Zion is the holy Biblical name for Jerusalem built on top of Mount Zion, not a pejorative as you use it. At any rate if the Palestinian Arabs found their first sovereign Arab-only Jew-free racist Apartheid Islamic state or caliphate of Palestine, named after the non-Semitic Philistines, Israel's ancient and implacable foes, with Jerusalem on Mount Zion re-named as Al Quds in Arabic as their capital, they will be just as "Zionist" as anything levelled at the Jews! And you can kiss Christmas goodbye for good in a suppressed Islamic state. 🤯
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@jhegre Are you grasping at straws? Basically any people except the Jews, eh? 🤔
Your bias is SO obvious. Yes, if Canaanites were still around they would have an ancient claim, just as much if the ancient Egyptians would have a claim over the Arabs living in their land.
However, peoples and civilisations rise and wane, and not every "claim" is viable or tangible.
Well, the Israelites were there before the Arabs, so they at least have a secondary claim!
The Arabs already had Arabia, whereas the Jews only had Judea ("Jew-dea"). Is that unfair?
So you want to give the Jews' historical Biblical land to the Arabs on top of all the many Arab states and not give the Jews an inch, as the Arabs are the Semites that claim all as theirs?
With cousins like that who needs enemies?! Also the Philistines came from Gaza, not Israel. 🙃
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@ayeshajacobs4374 I paraphrased it for you. Do you need the actual verse quoted verbatim like a schoolchild?
MATTHEW 2:1-6:
1. "Now after Jesus (Yeshua) was born in Bethlehem (BEIT LECHEM) of Judea (YEHUDAH) in the days of Herod (HERODUS) the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem,
2. saying, 'Where is He who has been born KING OF THE JEWS? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him.'
3. When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
4. And when he had gathered the chief priests (COHANIM) and scribes (SOFRIM) of the people together, he inquired of them WHERE THE CHRIST (MESSIAH) WAS TO BE BORN.
5. So they said to him, 'In Bethlehem of Judea (YEHUDAH, "Jew-dea"), for thus it is written by the prophet (Micah):
6."But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah (YEHUDAH, "Jew-dah"),
Are not the least among the rulers of Judah;
FOR OUT OF YOU SHALL COME A RULER
WHO WILL SHEPHERD MY PEOPLE ISRAEL." ' "
*He only went briefly to Egypt to escape the ethic cleansing of all male Jewish infants in Bethlehem at Herod's meglomaniacal orders.
Where on earth do you think He was born? 🤔🙃🙄 🎄
👑 🕎 ✡
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@maxmentone5373 I think you will find they are the one and the same. Read Scripture instead of fantasizing in your own head to suit your preferred rationale. Yeshua prayed to the LORD God of Israel, and He was the King of the Jews, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, and Messiah of Israel.
It is the devil who opposes Israel and the Jews for it is through them that God chose to send His Son to provide salavation for the world and He says that unless the sun, moon and stars cease to exist then Israel will always remain a nation before Him. You view is human prejudice.
For every idle word that a man shall speak, he shall give account of it in the Day of Judgement.
Remember your statement above, for even the Gates of Pearl through which one will enter if they get to heaven will have the names of the Twelve Tribes of Israel on them, no one else. 🕎
You undermine God's supreme authority and right to determine HIS will, not yours, and that same "Jesus" who was named by His Father God YESHUA, meaning "salvation", will return to Jerusalem for His own people the Jews, which is why the devil hates them, as he wants to thwart God's plan and blinds and decieves gullible people out there to hate them as well.
He will return as conquering King wiping out all of Israel's enemies who come against her at the Battle of Armageddon, just outside His hometown of Nazareth as prophesied in Scripture.
Everything you have said is utter hate-filled garbage and will be judged by Yeshua Himself! 👑
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@alhussain1108 Before "israel state" exist the Arabs butchered and murdered the ancient Jewish community in Hebron in 1929 just because they were Jews, and the British authorities in charge at the time just turned a blind eye. No there wasn't peace before the rebirth of the State of Israel. Even in the womb, the two twin sons of Yitzhak & Rivkah (Isaac & Rebeccah), namely Esau & Jacob (Esav & Ya'akov) - [Jacob later got re-named by God as "Israel"] - struggled in the womb, where the Bible stated that from Rebeccah TWO NATIONS would be SEPARATED.
They were separated then and are still separate today, but their forefather Arbraham/Ibrahim (Avraham) allotted land to both peoples, who both had Twelve Tribes, and the Arabs got Arabia and the Jews got Judea, also called Israel after Jacob, but now the Arabs want Judea too and you wonder why there's conflict? They were given separate lands to keep them apart so as to avoid wars. However, after the Europeans from Rome ethnically cleansed the Promised Land and the Holy City of Jerusalem of Jews in 135 CE, the Arabs crossed the border and settled in the land of the Jews, and that is why so many of their towns and cities have HEBREW place names.
What they didn't count on, however, was that the Jews would end up being treated so badly by both Muslims and Christians in the countries to where they were scattered, that they would seek to return to their ancient homeland to live in the only piece of land where they had a history.
Together with co-operation the whole area could have been a prosperous region for both peoples, but the Arabs chose war over peace, and lost more land each time as a result.
So your comment about peace may seem plausible to the simple-minded, but to anyone who seeks truth over lies and researches the history on both sides, you will find what is not true. 🙃
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@tobester0753 I don't hope for an LGBT PM. I was merely responding to someone "hoping" that the replacement would be BAME, which caused me to think of other such like possibilities. As far as it stands (correct me if I am wrong), but I think the British Prime Minister had to be a member of the Church of England or of the Protestant Christian faith, due to the previous history trying to prevent a Roman Catholic from taking office in a Protestant country? This was why Tony Blair had to wait until his tenure as PM finished before he could openly convert to Roman Catholicism.
It wouldn't make any diffefence to me, and I am sure too for most, but that stipulation may raise "issue" with people from non-Protestant community groups being the leader of the British nation.
Perhaps if a candidate from one of those minority communities were successful it would put these archaic laws under the spotlight of public and Parliamentary scrutiny to be amended, if it has not been already. I wouldn't "favour" because of minority status, but nor should we exclude.
Anyhow, it is more likely to be the usual "majority" group/status candidates that will succeed as I am sure there are a lot out there who would NOT want to "favour" or choose a minority status PM. And that goes for those from a minority group who may be, as you say, competent or not.
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angiebaby9981 Where does it say that? The Bible is full of references to the LAND of Israel, also called the Promised Land and the Holy Land, so how is it not a place? So is Arabia of the Arabs not a place? Are they just a nation with no physical place to dwell? Is that Biblical? 🤔
God will shake all the nations, especially those who come against Israel. Judgement begins with the House of God. So is heaven a place? If you get there you will see on the gates of pearl the names of the Twelve Tribes of Israel as mentioned in the book of Revelation. ✡💎🕎💎🔯
The heavenly city will be called Jerusalem. Is that a place? You seem a bit confused over what geography actually exists or not. Yosef & Miriam when in Egypt with the young Yeshua (as He was named by God, meaning "salvation"), was told by an Angel of the LORD to return to the LAND OF ISRAEL (Matthew 2:20-21). So how is Israel not a place, if the Angel mentions it? 🤔
I guess Great Britain is a nation, but not a place either? God gave the Jews a LAND (as an "everlasting possession"), not just the status of nationhood, although they are a people too.
You may not like it if you are prejudiced against the Jews, as so many are, but God said it.
In the end of days, as you mention, all the nations of the world will gather at Armageddon to come against Israel, and those nations who come against her will be utterly destroyed. 💥
Armageddon is a physical place in the Land of Israel, not an attachment just to a people.
Of course the nations' target will be the people of Israel, but in the physical land of Israel.
God says that those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse Israel will be cursed. Your denial of Israel being a physical place is not a blessing but a curse against it. 🙃🤯
SHALOM AL ISRAEL 🇮🇱 PEACE BE UPON ISRAEL ❤
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@ChrisAlbertH47 Being chosen is not a choice. The word "chosen" in Hebrew is BECHOR, and also applies to the special status given to the FIRSTBORN in the Bible & is the same word.
Also in modern Israel the word is used as BECHOROT for "elections" when "choosing" their leadership. God "chose" Israel not because they were bigger or better than anyone else, but He chose or picked them to do a certain job, and that was to be a light unto the Gentiles or nations, and this they did by bringing the witness of God to the world through preserving the Bible.
That Bible is used by courts of law across the globe to swear upon as a symbol of TRUTH.
The glory and the truth and the light are attributes of God, not Israel, who have all the human faults of any other people on the planet, but it was from them that God CHOSE to send His only begotten Son Jesus Christ, or as the first Jewish Church called Him, Yeshua the Messiah. 🕎
People are jealous of the Jews being chosen or picked, yet the Church is also named in the New Testament as being the ELECT, which is the very same BECHOR, so why not attack Christians?
There's many hypocrites commiting heinous acts among them, after all Hitler was a Christian!
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@stephenle-surf9893 Prime Ministers, although in an honoured position in being voted in by the majority of the public to serve the nation, do have feet of clay. They are not invincible, and they need the support of the people in order to do their job, especially after making a mistake.
Boris still protests innocence, so YOU are judging him, and the Bible which Parliament forced him to swear upon as a symbol of truth says in it that with what measure you mete judgement on others it will be meted out to you. One only has to tell ONE lie to be a liar. Have you lied ? 🤔
That same Bible says that ALL LIARS, from the highest to the lowest, will be cast into the lake of fire. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 It also commands to pray for our leaders and to honour the king. 👑
It does not matter what position one holds, a lie is still a lie, and if you have never lied then you are justified to condemn him, but the ungrateful unforgiving LYING British public are using him as a scapegoat for all their woes. The nation of Israel also condemned their Leader due to bias. ✝️
It turned out Jesus Christ was innocent and not guilty of their accusations, and so it is with Boris. This is a one-sided witch hunt fulled by inflamatory media reports, all beying for blood.
Boris nearly died from covid and now the fickle public turn on him, but without true evidence.
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@YouTuberculosis1337 Yes, I wonder why that hasn't happened yet? Doesn't Allah answer your prayers? He did for the Jews restoring them to their land that He gave them, only they call Him ELOHIM, who calls Himself the LORD God of Israel. He promised in the Holy Bible that the Jews would return to the Promised Land that He gave them, and it happened, and still is happening.
What the Muslims do outside of that reality is their own affair, but they have plenty of land in Arabia named after them to live in without having to occupy and control Judea ("Jew-dea") named after the Jews, which the Arabs deviously re-name as the nameless "West Bank" in order to cover up any historical or Biblical Jewish links. With cousins like that who needs enemies?
The Jews were ready to live in peace alongside their Semitic cousins but the Arabs said "No!"
Will their Allah bless their resentment, greed and intransigence in taking over land that even their father Abraham said was to be an everlasting possession for the sons of Isaac & Jacob (Israel).
Abraham bought the cave of Machpelah in Hebron to bury his wives and children there, so Israel's Patriarchs & Matriarchs are buried in Hebron of Judea, not Ishmael or Esau or anything pertaining to the modern anti-Jewish Arabs, yet the Arabs now insist that Jews are illegal there!
Maybe your Ummah will come to pass when you improve relations with the Sons of Israel. 🕎
Until then there doesn't seem to be much blessing. "By their fruits ye shall know them." 🙃
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@@shanelong5602 There WAS. Look up "Celtic Church". Tell me your findings.
The Celtic Church across Britain and Ireland differed greatly in doctrine and practice to the Church of Rome on the continent. Saints such as Patrick, Columba, Columbanus, Fursey, Gall and many others kept the Sabbath-keeping practices of the Quartodeciman ("14th") churches founded by John the Apostle across Asia Minor and kept Passover instead of the Roman invention of "Easter," as did Polycarp, Bishop of Smyna and Polycrates, Bishop of Ephesus in the 190's when they both wrote to the Bishop of Rome refusing to accept the new Roman "Easter."
The Irish Christians followed suit, refusing also to eat unclean animals, such as pork and shellfish, and like the Jews did not have celibate clergy. Columbanus, from my home town of Bangor, County Down, wrote to the Pope calling him a heretic because of the papal "Easter," and was eventually imprisoned in Europe as the Roman bishops were against His teaching.
This all changed at the Synod of Whitby, when the Roman prelates convinced King Oswy of Northumbria to accept "Easter" over over Passover (as it was deemed to be too "Jewish") and made the Irish missionaries headed up by Colman to be simple uneducated peasants.
Thus the British Church turned Roman from that point, with even so-called "Protestants" keeping the Roman "holy days", such as the Mass of Christ ("Christ-Mass"), "Easter," and fasting on "Lent" etc without question even to this day. The Irish Christians retreated to the remote isles of Iona and Lindisfarne till they eventually ebbed into obscurity, so much so that people not educated in these matters will say that there was no such thing as a Celtic Church at all. ☘
The Celtic traditions kept going in small pockets, but with Roman Catholic emmissaries sent from Rome to galvinise the papal holidays and dogma the island of Ireland evetually too became "Roman" in Christian practice. Ireland was never colonised by Rome, but it did not escape the clutches of the Roman ecclesiastical system which wiped out Celtic Christianity island-wide.
The last vestige of the Celtic Church was believed to be at the Hill of Tara in the 11th century, the word Tara coming from the Hebrew word "Torah" meaning "God's Law", by which time monasticism began to hold sway with the various orders of monks in many monasteries.
Now some Catholic churches name their buildings after these Celtic "saints" but if they were alive today they would not have their names attached to the Sunday-keeping Roman churches, which now includes Protestants, that they fought so hard and taught against for centuries.
I am interested where you got your information that there was no pre-Roman Celtic church in Ireland, as I am always happy to be proven wrong if the history books I have been reading over the past 40 years on this subject are all wrong. Of course, one must always try to find the earliest manuscripts as later hagiographies written by Roman-leaning historians will often write with a favour to the position they hold, and will often omit facts as a result or add some embellishments which must be analysed with the knowledge of the possibility of bias.
For instance, Columba, from Movilla, six miles from where I live, became the Apostle of Scotland converting the Picts and settling on the island of Iona across from Mull & Oban.
He was a Saturday Sabbath-keeper as all Celts were, and his death was recorded as being on the Sabbath, and as with Jews, this is believed to be a sign of an auspicious death from God.
However, later Roman Catholic books write that Columba died on the "Lord's Day," which is cobbled up to be purpisely ambiguous, as most Catholics call Sunday the "Lord's Day," thus the history becomes changed and also helps to promote Roman Catholic practice and doctrine.
Of course if using the term "Sabbath of the LORD" as found in Scripture, ostensibly it could also be described as the "Lord's Day," however, it is clear that the refusal to include the word "Sabbath" which at all times in the Bible refers to Saturday and never Sunday, is a delibetate attempt by Roman historians to effect the perception that Columba died on Sunday and not Saturday.
These things may not seem important, but these were the very issues the Celts stood for.
This erasure of history is very successful, hence your own admission of no Celtic Church. 🙃
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@@shanelong5602 Well, the Irish do share the thirst for violence and terrorism with the Muslims that's for sure. They bring up the Famine more than the Jews bring up the Holocaust.
The British also left infrastructure, railways, modernisation, and left Georgian buildings and castles for the Irish population to enjoy today, otherwise the peasant people might still be living in thatched cottages and digging up peat from the bogs without that British civilisation and advancement.
The countries of the world were asked to take Jews during the Holocaust years, but most refused, not only the British, when it comes to refusing aid for the suffering and dying.
The Ottomans and the British have one thing in common, they both governed Palestine, and neither made it into an Arab state, although the world seems to imagine that the Palestinian Arabs had one prior to the State of Israel, although that is not the case as the country contained communities of Palestinian Jews too, the name never pertaining only to the Arabs.
The Irish on the other hand when civilisation was at the brink of being taken over by a violent dictator in WWII decided to remain "neutral" not standing up for anything, so not so brave after all.
It's easy to pick from history, and there will always be conflicting narratives, but we are in the here and now. Jews are still being murdered in their beds and the Irish support the terrorists! 🤯
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@swaglikeohio83 Lawlessness does not describe warfare, but breaking God's Holy Laws, which even Christians are guilty of when they desecrate the Fourth Commandment every week by ignoring the holiness of the Sabbath of the LORD every "Saturday" (not named after Saturn by God or Yeshua in the Bible) or by eating animals God has clearly described as unclean to eat which He says is an ABOMINATION (Leviticus 11:10-12) and so forth.
The ones Yeshua will condemn as being LAW-LESS are those He will say He never knew when they say how much they did in His transmogrified name of "Jesus", which He never used in His lifetime, such as casting out demons etc as professing religious Christians.
As for protecting Israel throughout the Bible the LORD God of Israel describes Himself as YEHOVAH TZEVAOT, or the LORD of Hosts, which means "armies" & the same name as the IDF - "ZAHAL" in abbreviation for TZEVAOT HAGANOT LE-ISRAEL, or the Hosts/Armies to Defend Israel. 🕎 That is not lawlessness, but is true to the nature of the LORD of Battle.
Armageddon is prophesied to be the next one, again with Divine Intervention against the nations who come against Israel as her enemies to wipe her out, but Yeshua returns! 💥
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"Maybe it's you guys should leave the West Bank" says the anti-Israel Michael Walker.
Since when was this territory called the nameless "West Bank" (of the Jordan River)? 🤔
If you read a Christmas card you will see that the Jew they are celebrating was born in Bethlehem of JUDEA ("Jew-dea"), NOT the so-called "West Bank"! This false name is just made up and used by the Jews' Semitic cousins the Arabs and other anti-Israelists in prder to cover up the historic and Biblical links to the territory which contains Hebrew cities. 🕎
It is convenient for such haters of Israel to deny the historical, spiritual and Biblical rights to Judea, which is named for them, just as the vast oil-rich territory of Arabia is named for the Arabs. Is it unfair for Jews to live in tiny Judea where their forefathers the Patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac & Jacob (Israel) and their wives Sarah, Rebekah and Leah are buried or the huge expanse of Arabia to be allotted to the Arabs, as there were 12 Tribes of each people?
The ancient community of Palestinian Jews was butchered and decimated in Hebron in 1929 in a brutal style reminiscent of the Arab attack on October 7th along with many other communities of Jews around the Holy Land and that was long before any State of Israel.
The fact that the Gentiles (non-Jews) and Arabs declare by man-made preconceptions that Jews are illegal to live in Judea is one of the biggest travesties and dishonest attempts at ethnic cleansing in history, notwithstanding that some Jews have moved back there, just as many Arabs live in Israel proper. If Jews can't live in Judea, why allow Arabs to live in Israel?
Under the Ottoman Turks for 400 years until 1917 and under British Mandate from 1917 to 1947 the Biblical land of Israel and Judea re-named as "Palestine" after the non-Semitic Philistines who were Israel's ancient and implacable foes, even though they only dwelt in the narrow coastal strip of Philistia where Gaza is today, not the whole land of the Bible, both Jews and Arabs were termed "Palestinian", the term never applying only to the Arabs, and both Jews and Arabs lived throughouf the Holy Land, not excluding Judea & Samaria.
The myth that only Arabs can live in an Arab-only Jew-free Islamic racist Apartheid territory is just as unfair and discriminatory as any accusations of Apartheid levelled at Israel! 🙃
These claims are based on fallacy and a mis-handling, twisting and covering up of truth which of course suits the Arab narrative, and now peddled by activists such as Walker.
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@CallThemAllOut Well, unlike other countries in the less dangerous West, nearly all Israelis have to serve in the Army due to being under threat continually from the Arabs & other Islamic states, which countries and civilians in the West do not live under (yet!). They would prefer to live in peace with their Arab cousins, but up until now every suggestion has been rejected outrightly.
Although some Israeli Arabs serve in the IDF, as do the minority people the Druze. Not all want to live in a racist Arab-only Jew-free Islamic state or caliphate of Palestine named after the non-Semitic Philistines, Israel's ancient and implacable enemies, who dwelt in Philistia, which is the narrow coastal strip of land where Gaza is today, never the entire land of Canaan, later Israel.
If they get their Apartheid state with Jerusalem on top of Mount Zion re-named Al Kuds as their capital, then the Palestinan Arabs will be as Zionist as any accusation levelled at the Jews! 🤯
You say occupiers, yet any Jews living in the land prior to 1948 were Palestinian too, the term never applying solely to the Arabs, which they try to imply today in order to delegitimise Jewish claims to the land and giving the impression that the Jews are all foreign interlopers (as your accusation of "occupiers" so clearly demonstrates). If the towns and cities where the Arabs now claim have ancient Hebrew names, like Jerusalem, Bethlehem and Hebron etc., are not the Arabs "occupiers" too, as they clearly did not name the placenames or else they cover them up! 🙃
That's why you have a 'nameless' "West Bank" rather than the Biblical Judea or "Jew-dea"! 🕎
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@ralphbernhard1757 Well if you're so concerned about obeying God's Commandments, you must not forget the Sabbath day to be kept holy on the 7th day of the week and not to eat unclean animals which God calls an abomination. Or are you just cherrypicking? 🍒 🤔
Who do you mean "your people"? The only "people" I belong to is that of Northern Ireland.
If you are referring to the People of Israel, they are GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE, not mine! 🤯
I think you will find idolatry and obsession with money in every nation of the globe, as God says of ALL PEOPLE, "There is NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO, NOT ONE"! Why do you only single out Jews? 🤔
The Bible also says that with what judgement you mete out to others, the same will be meted out to you. So I wonder how well things will turn out for all the anti-Israel folk & Jew-haters? 🤔
It also says that every word that a man shall speak he shall give account of it in the Day of Judgement, and the King of the Jews, Yeshua, said, "Him without sin cast the first stone."
Good luck to you too, only I don't believe in "luc" as it is short for Lucifer, who is the devil! 👹
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@TribalCashAA How do you define DNA by geography, i.e. "Middle East"? I thought it went by bloodline descent, not geography. Jews before 1948 were "Palestinian" too under both Turkish and British control of the land if that is what you mean by that term, as it is not exclusively an Arab term, but was descriptive of anyone living in the territory, whether Arab or Jewish.
The only reason some Jews may have European descent is because they were ethnically cleansed from Judea and Jerusalem by Euopeans from Rome and so they had to seek sylum in other regions including Arabia, China, India, so Jews claim all these regions as "descent" too, but are still bloodline Jews and Semitic cousins of the Afabs through their common forefather, Abraham. Islam overtook Andalucis in Spain, and any Arabs there did not lose their DNA just because they ended up in a different geographical region from whence their people originated.
From where did you get the 5% and 100% statistics, and who paid for all that 'even' research?
I would like to examine it if you can furnish me the source from which you confifdently quote.
Zion is a Mountain in Jerusalem, and if the Palestinian Arabs aspire to live there exclusiive of any Jews then they are really the ones who are "Zionist" by the true definition of the term.
I lived in the Middle East for 10 years but it did not change my DNA.
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@wiliamsusanto647 I lived in Israel for 10 years and I can categorically tell you that is NOT true! Most Israelis are lovely people and would live in peace tomorrow if the Arabs stopped hating them. They have been launching attacks on Jews long before the State of Israel. 🇮🇱
ZION is a very beautiful Biblical word and you distort it into something evil and bad, which it is not, so you are guilty of lying and mispresentation, if not slander & defamation and character assassination. ZION is ZTIYYON in Hebrew and comes from the related root word METZUYAN, meaning WONDERFUL or AMAZING, and it is God who coined it, not the Jews. Zionism simply refers to the aspiration to return to Zion, which is the mountain upon which Jerusalem is built some 3,000 feet above sea level, and is used in the Bible to describe the Holy City of Jerusalem with a wider application meaning the whole land of Israel as we read in the Psalms & Prophets.
The Palestinian Arabs also aspire to return to Jerusalem and the land 'between the River and the Sea' where Israel is today, so in technicality they are just as "Zionist" in aspiration as any Jew! 🤯
If they get their first racist Arab-only Jew-free Apartheid Islamist state or caliphate named after the non-Semitic Philistines with their capital in Jerusalem on Mount Zion re-named in Arabic as Al Quds, then, as I have already pointed out, the Arabs will then be as "Zionist" as is levelled at the Jews! Isn't it just when the truth turns back on you?! The Jews have called on Zion for the past 2,000 years, with the prayer at their Passover Table each year being, no matter where they ended up living, "Next Year In Jerusalem!" 🕎 They have called on it long before any Arabs did.
As we read in the Psalms of David:
"When the LORD shall build up Zion, He shall appear in His glory." 👑
Also when they were previously exiled in Babylon (some will know the Boney M pop song):
"By the rivers of Babylon, where we sat down, yea, we wept when we remembered ZION.
How shall we sing the LORD's song in a strange land?" 🌿
Zionism is not something evil and has been around for millennia! 🤍
It is just the aspiration to live in Zion, and the Palestinian Arabs have the same aspiration. 🙃
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Is Hebron (Hebrew placename) not the burial place of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob and their wives who were the Patriarchs and Matriarchs of the Jewish/Israel nation, so how is their presence there "illegal"? Most of the placenames in the Holy Land are in Hebrew, not Arabic.
The Arabs lived in Arabia, and the Jews lived in Judea, each area named after the people, but now the Arabs claim Judea too, saying the Jews belong nowhere. They are both Semitic ("Shemitic") peoples (from Noah's son Shem) and descend from a common Patriarch Abraham and both were allocated land in the Middle East. Surely both peoples have a right to live in their historic lands. The problem is the worldview that only Arabs can live in the Middle East and have erased the Hebrew name of Judea and Israel into replacement terms of "West Bank" & "Palestine," named after the Philistines, not the Jews/Israel, which was the land of Philistia which roughly corresponds with the coastal Gaza strip today, not the whole land of Canaan.
Before 1948, under both British and Turkish governance, the Arabs and Jews were both called "Palestinian," the name never only pertaining to the Arabs only, and many Jews living there today had parents and grandparents who were "Palestinian" so it should really be "Arab Palestinians" in these political debates, just as the term "anti-Semitic" cannot apply to an Arab as he is Semitic too. But the world prefers the 'softer' Semitic term rather than the more accurate "anti-Jewish."
Even modern Bible maps use titles like "Palestine in the Time of Jesus" which is innacurate, if not biased, as the Gospel of St Matthew clearly describes an angel telling St Joseph when the Holy Family had fled to Egypt for protection from the killing of Jewish babies in Bethlehem (a Jewish town where King David was born), that he was to take the Child and His Mother and return to the "Land of Israel," (not "Palestine"), yet the Bible publishers write "Palestine"!
Political debate is important, but so is the correctness of the terminology and names we use if we want to stick to the truth of history and not be swayed by one-sided rhetoric & propaganda.
I'm sure there are many "Palestinian" Jews who can remember their families' homes in Hebron (Hevron) before the Arab massacre of the Jewish community there in 1929. And that was long before there was a State of Israel. There are grievances in every conflict, but dig into Jewish history as well to get a bit of balance and you might find that the Arabs haven't fared as badly.
I worked with both peoples for over a decade and they have more in common that you'd think.
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@joeoreilly1479 I was born in County Down, Northern Ireland, so I can only speak of my own life experience from there. You can speak of Dublin from the persective that you have. There are Protestants in Dublin but they are Irish citizens so are you saying that the first terrorist bomb in Ireland was by an Irish movement in Dublin which was technically an Irish terrorist organisation run by Irishmen? 🤔
Did this have anything to do with the British Government or of Irish national unrest? 🤔
I am always keen to know the facts rather than blindly judge. My next door neighbours were Roman Catholics and I grew up playing with them as innocent children with no animosity. It was not until later that the older siblings forbade the youngest boy from playing with my twin brother and myself because we were Protestants, even though I had no real sense of what it meant to be a Protestant. Therefore I grew up treating both Catholics and Protestants as equal human beings, and I still do today. The father of that Catholic family worked in the legal system of the courts and was shot dead by the IRA for his role in putting away convicted IRA terrorists.
Others call them freedom fighters. It is all about perspective, influence and life experience.
My Catholic neighbour was killed by his own people, not by any Protestant gunman or terrorist.
My own uncle was knee-capped by Protestant terrorists for dating a Roman Catholic girl. He now lives in England in a wheelchair. He was crippled by his own people, not by Catholics.
I have seen 22 teenagers blown to smithereens in Tel-Aviv queuing up for a discotheque by the beach for much the same reasons. The BBC later interviewed the suicide bomber's family in their grief whilst teams of medics carefully picked up all those body parts and respectfully placed them in black plastic bags. It was too horrific to be shown on public television. The next morning at work in the Hilton Tel- Aviv where I was Chef de Partie for the prestigious King Solomon Fine Dining Restaurant a Jewish female colleague from Ukraine kept weeping. I asked her in our common language of Hebrew what was the matter and she told me that her next door neighbour lost two teenage daughters in the Arab attack and was inconsolable. She had to identify her kids from gold earrings and teeth. I witnessed grief and misery on both sides, as 40% of the Hotel staff were Arab and just like in Northern Ireland, no matter how bad the situation was on the ground people still have to go to work and work together with individuals from across both divides.
I befriend Jews and Arabs and Protestants and Catholics. I see no human difference in them.
I do witness the one-sidedness you accuse me of, but you really have never met me. I have written to the Queen and also the Pope (and got replies from both) and sent poems to the President of Ireland and also to the British Prime Minister (whom I fed at the Tel- Aviv Hilton) so I believe in communication with differing 'sides' for it was not me that formed those 'sides.'
I wrote to former IRA sympathiser Martin McGuinness before he died after just stepping down from his role of Deputy First Minister for Northern Ireland as I was diagnosed with the same terminal illness as he, Amyloidosis, as I could empathise with his physical suffering and treatment and he flew to London to attend the same hospital that I still attend that specialises in this rare illness and I have just returned from that same hospital two days ago for tests & checks which I have to do annually. Last year I was in the waiting room on 8th September in London when the Queen died. The Queen and Martin McGuinness were stoic in meeting each other.
I was born into one side, just as others are born into another side. Very few are born in the middle. Not all Catholics are equal-minded when it comes to their view of Protestants. I also know some very anti-Catholic Protestants. I met Ian Paisley Senior before he died who had befriended the late Martin McGuinness as we both sat on the front row before giving talks, and he had mellowed a lot with age, and my attitude towards Martin McGuinness was open like his.
I wrote articles about Amyloidosis for the Catholic Irish News newspaper and the Protestant News Letter in Belfast because so few had heard of this illness until Martin McGuinness died.
You may bet that I'm not a native of Northern Ireland, for it really doesn't matter. My 'research' is living my life which is only viewed as 'propaganda' if the reader disagrees with something I write.
If I wrote a praiseworthy article about the virtues of the Irish state and its Republical Army would that be 'propaganda' or unbiased truth? Still the perspective comes from life and experience. I may never match your erudition concerning terrorism in Dublin but I am not making things up. You may doubt where I was born, but I am a citizen of the world that values peace. 🕊
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@ahintofhish07 Well obviously the authorities knew the Jewish family posed a much lesser risk to them than the people who are hostile towards Israel and many are ready to do harm.
Security is a pain in the neck and an inconvenience but it is there to save lives. If you have a problem with it maybe you should direct your disatisfaction/anger to those who actively oppose Israel, even though it was legally founded by the United Nations. If haters stop so does security.
There were always two long queues under scrutiny and in zoned off areas in airports when I travelled by air and they were only for Northern Ireland and Israel, two countries I have lived in.
I grew up with security in Northern Ireland just like Israeli children do and I did not realise that other countries did not have this until I went to England and stood at a shop door waiting to be searched but no one was there and there was more than just one entrance and exit but many doors! The only thing that causes security is hatred and terror attacks, no other reasons.
No one wants to inconvenience anyone or discriminate against any person, but risk is risk.
The Arabs are famous for hating Israel & attacking, which is why the Jews don't trust them.
Most Israelis I knew were moderate and simply wanted to live in peace. Arabs wanted Jihad.
As they say in Israel you don't make peace with your friends, you make peace with your enemies, and Israel only has to lose ONE war! Not all Muslims are suicide bombers, but all suicide bombers are Muslim, in Israel anyhow. I've never heard of a Jewish suicide bomber yet.
Both sides need to compromise, but while "from the river to the sea" remains a watchword the stalemate will remain, or worse. The sad thing is as cousins they both have a lot in common!
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@bubullibooooo9928 Jesus, or YESHUA as He was named by His Father the LORD God of Israel, which means "salvation" ("Jesus" means nothing in any language), taught to love and forgive, not to boycott, but love your enemies, not hate them. ❤❤❤
He was not a non-Semitic Philistine, which is where the name "Palestine" comes from, as the Philistines were the ancient and implacable enemies of the Israelites as the Holy Bible records, and they dwelt in PHILISTIA, the narrow coastal strip of land where Gaza is today, which is not the territory that Yeshua lived in. He was and still is a circumcised Jew born in the land of Israel.
Anything else is Arab propaganda and impugns the Word of God as revealed in the Scriptures.
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@l-uk3xm Britain abstained from the UN vote in 1948 when the nations of the world were deciding to recognise the State of Israel (after the Arabs had refused their's in the UN Partition Plan of 1947, and every offer of peace ever since). The only time Britain showed favour to the Jews having a homeland in Palestine, with the proviso that it would not affect the existing peoples already living there, was in the Balfour Declaration of 1917.
Since then they have been ambiguous about Israel, and even the British State Broadcaster refers to Tel-Aviv as Israel's capital, not Jerusalem, and thus the British Embassy in there, not in the country's capital, which would be like France having their Embassy in Birmingham and not London. Britain has consistently sat on the fence when it comes to Israel, ever since they started appeasing the Arabs in the 1930's onwards due to their stakes in oil etc., whilst stopping Jewish immigration to the Holy Land, despite their historical Biblical links, in the British White Paper for Palestine in 1939. They have been biased towards the Arabs ever since, despite the Jews. 😒
With Her Majesty the Queen being some 70 years on the throne, yet the Foreign Office never permitted her a visit to the Land of the Bible, even as a pilgrimage as Head of the Church of England. Thus the power of politics and bias can even outstrip even the will of monarchy. 👑
Britain is at best a fairweather friend to Israel and every Israeli knows it all too well. 🙃🤯
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@annadentis9743 I'm sure you will find the same in Israel. It is a democracy like America. If the US detained a terrorist from Iraq in their prison system and the prisoner was released still harbouring anti-American sentiment even though he was treated humanely, and went back to his culture in Iraq where anti-American sentiment was very high, would that prisoner tell the Iraqis and those who hate America there that the Americans treated him with the utmost care and manners and that everything about his detention was positive and without fault, or would he say that they treated him not fairly because he is Iraqi and because he is a Muslim in satanic America?
Obviously released Palestinian prisoners are not going to praise their captors, especially if their reason for being detained in the first place was to do harm to Israelis out of hate.
Another side to this conflict is the war of words and propaganda, and if one little lie, untruth, exaggeration or embellishment has success travelling the globe on social media it helps the cause probably more successfully than any terror attacks or physical warfare on the ground.
Sometimes you have to take some accounts of terrorists and criminals with a pinch of Dead Sea salt rather than impugning the legal system of a recognised democracy on that account.
It is obviously in the interests of the Arab convicts to say anything to condemn Israel.
Motives must always be borne in mind. An Arab terrorist is more likely to say negative things about Israel as the hatred is already embedded and it fits their agenda to lie about the Jews.
On the other hand, what is there to gain from the Israeli legal system if they arbitrarily mistreat, torture and persecute political prisoners, as they know that any reports of such will damage the image of Israel's society at large? The truth will always come out in the end, but sometimes the lies that are believed can cause irreparable damage. We must not take everything at face value.
That's what God gave us discernment for. Not just to blindly believe one side that you favour.
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@intalmdr4627 Most of those "children" are late teens, 16 & 17 years old, not all infants. The people in Gaza are not against Hamas commiting atrocities against innocent Israeli civilians (unprovoked) so by proxy they bring much sorrow upon their own heads, even though it is not the Israeli objective to kill or harm civilians, athough the biased media always portrays it as such.
The rejoicing and dancing among Palestinians after such atrocities shows that they support such terror. It is Hamas who govern Gaza and are responsible for syphoning off money for their military apparatus and the building of tunnels and thousands of lethal rockets instead of improving infrastructure, education, healthcare and not having enough food or fuel reseves to last more than a few days, yet the world blames Israel for the Gazan's daily deprivation. 🙃
The Palestinians did nothing to deserve this (apart from supporting Hamas and hating Israel), however the world blames Israel for all their woes and lets Hamas off Scot-free. 🤯
Also Gaza is bordered by TWO countries, and Egypt blockades Gaza more than Israel, as at least Israel lets everything through in normal "peace time", except for stuff that could be used to destroy Israel, which I think any nation next to a hostile enemy would be vigilent about.
Any of these crimes committed by Russia by any chance or are you only focussed on Israel? 🤔
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@markwoodstock1112 Confusion and mistakes can happen in a fraught atmosphere of continual conflict (I know from living in Northern Ireland), so what you are saying can obviously occur, so I wouldn't be blind enough to ignore fault, but the bigger picture is an entire society bent on the destruction of another, by whatever means, including online delegitimisation and history revisionism, which does as much damage as any physical war or attacks or bombs.
There were many IRA terrorists jailed in Belfast without trial, and innocents caught up in the meleè, so the phenomenon is not unique to Israel. Have you ever srutinised the prisons of China or Russia with as much humanitarian care, or is it critiquing Israel that is your only interest?
If the tables were turned, how do you think the Israelis would fare being locked up in an Islamic Arab Palestinian jail no matter their offence? Would they have justice, and equality and concern for their humanitarian rights? If they hate Jews as it is, how would they treat them in jails? 🤔
You seem to think that Israelis are the only ones who ever do anything wrong. Is that true?
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@mimoiah No, are you justifying terrorists who end up in Israeli jails?
I have seen those rocks that teenagers hurl, and they are small boulders. Believe me if one of those hit your narrowminded head it would kill you. It is a lethal weapon. The best way to keep out of jail is not to commit actions of violence and terrorism (and then blame the authorities for detaining them!)
Why would people be arrested without commiting any crime? I lived in Israel and commited no crime, hence I was not arrested or detained. However, I know people in my home country of Northern Ireland who have commited terrorism with bombs and bullets, killing and maiming indiscriminately out of hatred, and as a result many of them get arrested and sent to prison.
I witnessed many such incidents perpetrated by Arabs out of pure hatred for the Jews.
There are two jurisdictions in Israel and the Palestinian territories, so Israel may detain people who commit violence against them, but that does not give them rights to hold trials for people from another jurisdiction, however the Islamic courts will not try a criminal for attacking Israel!
The Arab hate for the Jews long precedes the State of Israel, and they even descend from two twin brothers, Jacob and Esau, who even struggled with each other in the womb! That's hate!
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@almas806 What the UN says is only an opinion. The Hamas Charter is the one Israelis know about as it declares the full destruction of the State of Israel, so just because people or a people create a Charter does not mean that it is righteous. A charter is just a piece of paper.
Israel only gained extra territory after the Arabs launched attacks on them, and when the Arabs lost, they lost territory as a result. Thus hatred and violence of the "other" by the Arabs has created much of the misery and so-called "occupation" that the Palestinian and former Jordanian Arabs (in Jerusalem & the "West Bank"/Judea) later found themselves in. Before 1967, Jerusalem and Judea, re-named "West Bank" to cover up the territory's Jewish links, was under illegal occupation by the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.
Prior to 1948 the whole country, including Transjordan, was governed or "occupied" by the British from 1917. Prior to 1917, the territory was occupied by the Turks, ruled from Constantinople, now Istanbul, so there have been many "occupiers", but no complains until the Jews came into the predominance, after being a vilified minority there for centuries.
What there hasn't ever been in history is an "Arab sovereign state" of Palestine. Even prior to 1948, both Jews and Arabs were "Palestinian," the term never applying solely to the Arabs.
Thus the UN Charter concering the "Palestinians" teachically includes those Jewish citizens too. The use of the name by the Arabs today helps to delegitimise the Jews rights to citizenry.
The only reason any Jews began to seek refuge in Palestine from the 1890's onwards was because of the persecutions, pogroms and discrimination meted out to them in the Christian and Muslim nations to where they had been scatttered since being ethically cleansed from their land by Europeans from Rome in 135 CE, culminating in the Germans killing six million of them.
The UN were not calling for THAT persecuted people to offer resistance, but ignored it! 🤯
No nations accepted them, and even in their ancient Biblical homeland they were unwanted by their own Semitic cousins, the Arabs. Technically it is the ancient land of Israel and Judea that is "occupied" by Arabs from Arabia who crossed the porous borders taking advantage of the Jewish land and empty cities after the Jews had been expelled, and now they claim it as their own.
That is why so many "Arab" towns and cities like Bethlehem & Nazareth all have ancient Hebrew place names. They cannot even pronounce "Palestine" as there is no "P" in the Arabic alphabet.
So the Jews are an occupied people too, and it goes back further than just a few generations.
The oldest Charter that outlines the rights of the Jews to the land of Israel is the Holy Bible.
In its pages there is a complete history of how it came into their possession replete with pronouncements by God to make it official, while the Arabs dwelt in oil-rich Arabia.
But now the Arabs want Judea too, believing that the Jews have no rights anywhere.
This is not how their forefather Abraham treated his two sons from whom the Jews and Arabs descend as he was fair to both, allotting land to both peoples, who had Twelve Tribes each, of Ishmaelites and Israelites. The Arabs got a vast area, while the Jews only got a tiny parcel of land.
Still, it is that tiny parcel of land, that was negleected for centuries, that the Arabs suddenly want to rule with the world denigrating the Jews (what's new) and favouring the Arabs to found a Jew-free Apartheid Arab-only Islamic Caliphate called Palestine with Jerusalem as its capital.
You can kiss those Holy Land Tours goodbye if that happens, along with religious freedoms for Jews and Christians. Just check any Islamic country in the region to check out that reality.
The UN was basically formed because of situation in the Holy Land, and now it has become the Judge. Also the one-sidedness of that organisation against Israel is radically hostile to the Jews.
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@worshipthecreator9081 In the Bible, where the origin of the Jews is recorded, and the territories in which they lived, the line of descent is patrinlineal, or through the father.
However, there were proselytes from the nations who were Gentile converts who joined the people of Israel and worshipped the God of Israel, and these people got circumcised and were considered part of Israel, before the advent of Christianity when a much wider Gentile majority began to worship the LORD God of Israel through their belief in the Israeli Jew Yeshua, whose Name they later changed to "Jesus," thus the need to convert as before to Israel was lessened.
A person who converts to Judaism today also must go through full circumcision (if male) and keep the Jewish laws, and are regarded as Jewish as far as religious observance is concerned, although some purists will still discriminate against them as not being "racially" Jewish.
However, there are many strands of Judaism today, some more conservative than others, whilst others are more liberal and accepting, such as having women rabbis and accepting gay Jews.
Where did you get your information for your claim that a person who converts to Judaism is not classed as a Jew? When I lived in Israel as a non-Jew from Northern Ireland for 10 years, I applied for citizenship but was turned down, however, the rabbis who check for Kosher observance from the hotel where I worked as a chef told me that I could stay in the country if I converted to Judaism or married a Jewish woman, as a non-Jewish spouse can reside there.
This shows that Gentiles do get accepted in Israel and within Judaism under certain criteria, and even non-Jewish partners of gay people intending to marry can gain full Israeli citizenship.
I wonder if people who convert to Islam are classed as Arabs, or do they discriminate too? 🤔
As like the Jews, the Arabs are a race or a people as opposed to just being a religion.
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@Mr.Mister96 Revelation judges churches if you read it, and predicts 144,000 Jewish evangelists from the 12 Tribes of Israel, the names of which are engraved on the pearly gates! Gentiles mis-use the word "church" which in both Greek & Hebrew means "congregation", i.e. the people, not a building, just as the same word ("kehilah") describes the congregation of Israel before the New Testament. The place where Jews are recorded as meeting in the Gospel accounts is just a generic term for any meeting place for any purpose or people, not restricted to the ethnicity of the Jews alone. That word in Greek is "sinagoga" and in Hebrew "Beit Knesset", literally "house of entering" which Gentiles do too!
It is only the anti-Jewish interpretation of this word applied to it in this case because it is described negatively that makes non-Jewish Christians think this only applies to Jews because the Gentiles wrongly describe their meeting houses as "churches" and the word "sinagoga" to only Jews, which is preposterous and grammatically not true to reality. 🙄
Christians meet in "houses of entering" too i.e. "syagogues" and so a synagogue of Satan can be any meeting house where Satan had deceived or has influence, and judging from the harsh words meted out to the seven churches ("congregations") mentioned in the book of Revelation it is more likely that Satan has directly deceived them by false teaching and error just as much as your pronouncement against the Jews. Not every Jew is of Israel in the true spiritual sense, but then neither is every professing Christian a true Christian! 🤯
As the old adage says, "Just because the mouse is in the cookie jar doesn't mean he is a cookie!" You gloat that Israel may be at fault, but judgement begins at the House of God!
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@opinionsvary I'm interested in your comment that a person isn't defined by their sexuality, but I found myself labelled by the "true Christians" you describe purely on how they view me sexually. It would be nice to think that it were not so.
The mention of cities destroyed because of bisexuality must be a reference to Sodom and Gormorrah as I am thinking hard to find other examples, especially if bi-sexuality was so prevalent even in ancient times.
I have read the account of Sodom when I was learning Hebrew in Israel and came across a few things that struck me that the English rendering of the story seems to glaze over. In Genesis 19:4 the story is told of the visit of two angels to Lot's house in the city. The English version uses the word "men" surrounding the house, which nearly every Gentile Bible scholar and subsequently pastors and ministers take to be a homosexual incident due to the sex of the word "men."
However, when I studied Hebrew I learned that mixed crowds of both sexes always uses the male plural and only the female plural if 100% exclusively female, such as with expressions like "men of Galilee," or "men of Jerusalem," which by context would have also contained women, unless all public gatherings were suspiciously homosexual by nature being so devoid of females.
The Bible is full of male plurals that include women, such as "sons of God" etc., which must include females in God's plan for heaven, even if described in male plural. It is just the grammatical format of the language. Sometimes the translators adjust this as they feel fit, as in the Exodus where the Hebrew describes the people as "B'nei Israel" or "sons of Israel," yet in this case the translators decide to add females in by using the word "children of Israel," even though that is not what the original text says, but by implication it would more than likely to have been true, even if it does make them sound a bit infantile as "children" whereas a "son" can be adult.
The word used in Genesis 19: 4 for "men" is the word "anashim" which is in male plural, but comes from the root word "anush" meaning "human," so "anashim" are human beings or "people," not strictly 100% "men" as is claimed by anyone with a slanted mind reading this and years of a zealous pastor breathing down your neck with HIS interpretation of it - "men only"! It is of course possible for there to be 100% men there, assumed to be male homosexuals of course, but the verse itself also uses the singular word for "people" as one unit, which is the word "am," such as with "Am Israel," the People of Israel, where it also mentions "people from every quarter" of the city, not "men from every quarter," so what is the writer and the Hebrew grammar telling us?
That a group of "PEOPLE" surrounded Lot's house intending to molest Lot's angelic guests sexually ("that we may 'know' them") in some form of perverted orgy. God had ALREADY told Abraham of Sodom's impending doom when Abraham pleaded with the LORD to spare the city for the sake of the righteous in it, but there were not even enough to save it. This was a predetermined judgement and the angels simply came to rescue Abraham's family from it.
Sodom's sins were many, and not only confined to male homosexuality, although I am sure it would have been included, as well as voyeurism, incest, bestiality, and every kind of perversion under the sun, hence the city was slated for destruction, not just for bi-sexuality. Besides, if it were a male-only gathering of exclusively male homosexuals, why would Lot offer his two female daughters to the beying crowd? I believe this group were up for a perverted and degraded time with the two visitors to the city, but that the whole PEOPLE were overtaken by evil, not just an issue with homosexuality which is claimed by so many from reading this passage (in English!).
This has resulted in pejorative terms such as "Sodomite" which do not appear in the Bible with that meaning, but only as a citizen of Sodom. Even in the book of Jude (Yehudah) Sodom is only mentioned as a warning against general "ungodliness," not saying anything specific about homosexuality as the only reason for the cities' destruction. Just some food for thought.
You made some very valid points. Thank you and "shalom" 🕊🌿
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@ClaymateDesigner So you would never employ me although I would probably employ someone like you if I were in a position to as I would need a job done not a belief quantified. I agree God/god should have nothing to do with it. It is just human fairness and a non-discriminatory act.
I had to interview chefs for kitchen postions and I was looking for people who could cook well and cope under pressure which a catering job demands. I was not looking into whether they were Christian, Buddhist, atheist or a Flat Earther as that was not relevant to need at hand, which was a someone qualified to cook well and with initiative, not on what they personally thought or believed. I could of course only employ people that match my personal beliefs, thoughts or prejudices 100% yet none of them may be good cooks or cope under pressure at all and as a result my business would fail. If I was forming a church or faith/political group I would be more interested in one's beliefs because the reason for forming such a group required such an interest or commonality, not that people outside of that belief system should not be made welcome.
Consequently I have had the pleasure to work with very hardworking, talented and industrious Arabs, Jews, Asians, Catholic Irish, atheistic English, deeply narrow Nothern Irish Protestants alongside homosexuals and born-again Christians, all doing one common thing - working and earning an honest living. If I was like you I would never have met any of these wonderful people or learned from their expertise and even friendship. I would only have my own very narrow group.
People who are employed DO have rights against discrimination etc contrary to your own thoughts on the matter and a discriminatory employer/interviewer can be hauled to court.
I think that is exactly what you need from someone you refuse to employ for such narrow primitive reasons just because someone doesn't fit into your tribe. You show no human dignity.
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@LadyMaria I am not Greek. The "Greek" format of YESHUA into Iesous was because a male deity had to end with "s" like Zeus, Perseus, and all male names in Greek as Yeshua with an "ah" sound would have sounded feminine in Greek, like Aphrodite, Diana etc. This is true for Hebrew too, as YESHUA is already masculinized from "yeshuah" which is the word for "salvation" in Hebrew, but it is a 'female' word as most 'female' words grammatically have an "ah" sound, which in this case involves the two letter 'ayin' ('a') and 'heh' (h), technically a 'double 'ah' sound, but they merge into one. In the 'male' format, such as for a man's name, the 'heh' (h) which gives the "ah" sound and makes it sound and look 'female' is removed, resulting in Yeshua with only 'ayin' remaining, which is a silent consonant used to give any vowel sound, in this case "a" (the same letter is used in "Immanuel," but with an "i" sound). Thus Yeshua may still sound like female but it looks different without the "heh" (h) at the end, ensuring it is recognised as a male word/name.
The male and female are pronounced very differently with emphasis in different places, thus "yeshuah" (salvation) is pronounced "yeshu-AH," with emphasis on the LAST syllable, whereas "Yeshua" is pronouned "Ye- SHU- a" with the emphasis on the middle syllable to differentiate.
The same happened in Greek understandably so that "Yeshua" would not be construed as a female deity, and thus "Iesous" ending with a male "s" ensured this. That is okay for GREEKS!
However, there is no need to put an "s" on the end of names to masculinize them in other cultures, so why could they not have used the original given "Yeshua" considering that other Hebrew words seemed to survive the Greek translation process, such as HALLELUJAH, AMEN, MARANATHA, HOSANNA, ARMAGEDDON, SATAN, and many other examples.
Funny how the devil gets to keep his name, yet the Name above all names is so easily lost.
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@nate.infinity I know the history of St Nicholas, but he still had no flying reindeer, so that is still a LIE and hell-bound all who repeat it ("ALL LIARS" = LAKE OF FIRE 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥), whether it is a Catholic tradition or not, as I know "Christmas" is from the Roman Catholic "Christ-Mass."
However, if parents tell their children about Jesus, as well as the embellished Santa myth, how will they discern the difference bewteen truth and lies? They might view Jesus as a miraculous fairy tale too. This term "reason for the season" is not based on the Bible, and there is no "season" in Scripture called "Christ-Mass" nor is anyone instructed to observe such. The only thing Yeshua, later re-named "Jesus" by the Gentiles (non-Jews), instructed was to remember His sacrifical atoning DEATH which wrought for us salvation ("salvation" = "Yeshua" in Hebrew) which occurred on the Biblical date of Passover on Nisan 14th, as opposed to the Roman "Easter."
Yeshua did not ask anyone to make special days to venerate His birth or His resurrection, although both miraculous in their own right, as the ascension was too, but it was only His BLOOD that was shed for us at His DEATH that He asked us to REMEMBER, "as often as ye do this" i.e. commemorate the date of Passover, not "do this as often as you like," which is basically what happens in most churches nowadays, losing the rich symbolism of the Passover Lamb.
"Christ (Messiah) our Passover was slain for us, therefore let us KEEP THE FEAST!" (of Passover). Yeshua is the Passover Lamb, not our "Easter Bunny," as "Easter" is of pagan origin.
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@dsa0224 Wrongdoers? If they will not enter the kingdom of heaven as you so clearly quote, then what about Christian "wrongdoers," such as those who are PROUD, ARROGANT, BOASTFUL, SLANDEROUS, SPREADERS OF GOSSIP, LIARS, DISHONEST, COVETOUS, ENVIOUS, RESENTFUL, UNKIND, HYPOCRITICAL, CLERICAL ABUSERS OF INNOCENT CHILDREN, SECRET ADULTERERS, SECRET FORNICATORS, POMPOUS, CONDESCENDING, GLUTTONOUS, AND DOWNRIGHT RUDE!
I have come across many of such over the years in the church pews and the Bible says that JUDGEMENT BEGINS AT THE HOUSE OF GOD!! You may glibly quote one sin among many, but the Bible lists a great deal of sins that are committed by professing Christians every day, including the LIES told by parents who tell their children about Santa Claus and his flying reindeer. Don't you know that ALL LIARS will be cast into the lake of fire? 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🎅
There are other ABOMINATIONS too clearly condemned by God in the very same book of Leviticus that proscribes homosexuality in the same terms, such as the eating of UNCLEAN sewage-imbibing seafood and the keeping holy of the Sabbath of the LORD on "Saturday."
Once all your ducks are in a row you can fire away, but there are many with planks in their eyes trying to pick at the specks of sawdust in others, when they are surrounded by pure hypocrisy.
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@pigjubby1 Well, judgement begins at the House of God, so you'd better be ready.
That's all the proud, arrogant, rude, thoughtless, selfish, pushy, ignorant, judgemental, self-righteous, slanderous, hypocritical, mean-spirited, unkind, boastful, nosey, and un-Christlike Christians out there who fill the churches and lie, steal, dishonour parents, divorce and break the Sabbath on a regular basis whom Yeshua will be willing to stop off and meet to ask why they keep calling Him by that stupid name of "Jesus" that He would never have heard in His lifetime.
Bring it on!
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@bethyngalw I just checked my messages and I did not realise that your response to me was so heavily edited for public consumption. I would not like you to think that I did not read your retort in its entirely or have ignored some of the points you have raised that you obviously feel so strongly about, so I will try to properly address your objections in a better more fulsome reply, hopefully without repeating what I have already said in my initial reply. I can tire easily as a terminally ill kidney patient with Amyloidosis so sometimes I need energy to fully reply on here.
So for the 'jabs' that didn't show on the public forum, I will try my best to answer in some way for you (if you are indeed interested, and I am not just wasting my valuable time and energy on a point-proving exercise). As the Bible says, "There is none so deaf as those who will not hear," so I would hate to ignore that erudite advice by casting pearls before swine, after which the Bible tells us, they will only turn on you and attack you.
I will try to satisfy the "curiosity" of yours that you mention, especially on whether I believe in the Trinity. I do believe in the concept/doctrine/Biblical belief in the Father (YHVH), the Son (YESHUA) and the Holy Spirit (RUACH HA-KODESH) as they appear in the original texts. I do agree with you, that just because the word "Trinity" is a later man-made invention, that it does not take away from the fact that the Bible supports the existence of the Eternal Triune Godhead, (both non-Biblical words to describe a Biblical thing/concept). No, it does not nullify the Bible!
I would have thought that that would be clear to most Christians without any argument.
However, you then try to use the valid point above to try to justify Xmas, in that because the veneration of a date and name for the Mass of Christ did not exist in the early Church as a 'holy day' or festival, that it could somehow nullify the the contents of the Gospels describing Yeshua's birth. But I have never said or indicated that, rather, just as with the "Trinity" the concept and Biblical account of the Messiah's miraculous virgin birth is never under question here, only what GOD might think of some of the things going on that people say they want.
Do you think Yeshua will thank you on Judgement Day for helping Him to "celebrate" His "birth-day" every year by buying presents for your family and friends and receiving just as many from them in return, all in 'honour' of His incarnation? Why is it that "Nativity Scenes" show Yosef & Miriam (before the Gentiles transmogrified their names) and the baby Yeshua showing "three wise men" at the manger, when they were not even present at His birth, nor does the Bible say there were only three of them. As Yeshua said to the religious of His day, that their "tradition" made the Word of God of none effect. "Christ-Mass" is a MAN-MADE ecclesiastical "tradition" and to try to promote it as anything else is being downright dishonest. Xmassers try to put guilt on people that they are not acknowledging Yeshua's incernation just because they don't observe the Roman invention of the "Christ-Mass" when the opposite it true. They are not "nullifying" or ignoring what the Bible says on these things, but looking to the Bible HOW to celebrate them.
If we are NOT commanded to do it, we DON'T HAVE TO,no matter what X-Massers say about it.
No, I don't celebrate my own "birth"-day, and my family respect that, as I do feel it only brings attention to ME by all the cake, cards, festivity, decorations, presents, and unecessary decadence and over-spending along with the obligatory singing of "Happy "Birth"-day dear COLIN," which makes me feel uncomfortable, and I would prefer to direct praise, glory and honour to GOD alone.
And I don't personally use the pagan names of the days and months when the calendar that Yeshua used is in the Bible for us all to see, with names of the week and the lunar months. It is possible for a nation that respects God to do that, just as the State of Israel does, no matter what the 'Christian' nations do. But most Christians don't care that the Bible says not to even have the name of other gods on your lips, yet Christians celebrate the resurrection (again not commanded in the Bible to do so) on "Ishtar" "SUN"-Day 🌞 instead of honouring the SON. No Jew would mention any false god or try to change the terminology that God gave in Genesis.
The Bible has only the following designations:
YOM RISHON = FIRST DAY ("SUN"-DAY, GENTILES NAME AFTER SUN WORSHIP)
YOM SHENI = SECOND DAY ( "MON-DAY" GENTILES NAME AFTER MOON WORSHIP)
YOM SHLISHI = THIRD DAY ("TUES-DAY" NAMED IN HONOUR OF THE GOD TIW)
YOM REVI'I = FOURTH DAY ("WEDNES-DAY" NAMED IN HONOUR OF THE GOD WODEN)
YOM HAMISHI = FIFTH DAY ("THURS-DAY" NAMED IN HONOUR OF THE GOD THOR)
YOM SHISHI = SIXTH DAY ("FRI-DAY" NAMED IN HONOUR OF THE GODDESS FREYA)
SHABBAT = (SABBATH "REST") ("SATUR-DAY NAMED IN HONOUR OF THE GOD SATURN)
I hope that shows a little of the "consistency" of my thoughts, based on the BIBLE, and not the imaginations and machinations of MEN, whether they be clerics, theologians or Church leaders.
"Let the words of my mouth and the meditations of my heart be acceptable in Thy sight." 🙏
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@bethyngalw I would say God would not be "offended" if some people want to celebrate His birth, even though there is no Biblical need or requirement to, but it is the way that people do that that I often wonder about, even if I chose not to personally object or say a single word about it.
If some want to celebrate His birth why is so much pressure put on to others who may not wish to? (Just try not buying presents or giving a card to your family or firiends!!) If some people want to celebrate Yeshua's birth, even though many have changed His Name and attribute the holiday to the Roman Catholic Mass ("Christ-Mass") which technically would preclude non-Catholics, why do you choose a random date like December 25th to do so, while the Orthodox churches do so on January 6th? Surely your God who never changes would have a handle on this confusion, especially if these Christians are led by the Holy Spirit? Surely your God who forbids having any other gods before Him would scratch His head at the pagan holly, ivy, mistletoe, evergreen trees that decorate homes including Christians sanctuaries used to worship Him that pre-date the Christian "Chist-Mass" with those things being used to worship false deities and other gods?
If some people want or need to celebrate the birth of their God, why do so many of their children focus much of their attention on another miraculous person for whom they have to be very good so that he will visit them and miraculously fly through the sky on a sleigh with reindeer? Some might view this not to based wholly on truth, just as with the dates chosen for these 'holidays', and the Biblical expression for something that is UNTRUE is a LIE. If this 'holy season' turns people into repetitive wilful LIARS how does that honour the Saviour that they claim to follow?
If one wishes to celebrate the birth of the Son of God, why do so many eat unclean scavenger sewage-imbibing "seafood" such as prawn cocktails which God proscribed in His Holy Word as an ABOMINATION (FOUR TIMES in 3 verses to emphasize it to be noticed) or to serve up ham and bacon which are all UNCLEAN foods that Yeshua never would have eaten as a Jew. If you were honouring a Hindu god in India would you deliberately choose to eat some "holy cow"?!
Noah the Gentile knew about these differences between "clean & unclean" when God boarded the animals on the Ark, long before there were any Jews or laws given at Mount Sinai, so it goes back a long time in the history of the Gentiles, yet so many Gentiles today ignore God's laws.
As I said, people are free to do all these things, but why close banks, schools and force others to take time off work because you choose to celebrate this uncommanded thing on a date that not even God has revealed in Scripture, when there might be some who do not wish to do that?
It is the forceful nature of the 'holiday' imposed on so many by such birth-celebrating Christians that even forces non-believers to celebrate this same 'holiday' with drunkenness and crass commercialization all supposedly in honour of Jesus Christ, or as He would have called Himself before the Gentiles changed it, Yeshua the Messiah, which means "the Anointed who Saves."
What other people might think or feel (often sincerely) of all of this may have no bearing on how you glorify your God on "that day" (while others do it contradictingly on ANOTHER day, Jan 6th) may cause you to think that some who may not wish to attach themselves to this (out of the same respect that you have in order to also glorify God) are guilty of being in a trap of legalism.
However, I find that it is the pressure to attend Xmas dinners, staff parties, church services, and the compulsive buying of presents and cards to all and sundry to be far more LEGALISTIC in the expected nature of many of these man-made traditions, which Yeshua warned make the Word of God of none effect. You do not hurt or hinder me, but I do wonder how God is truly glorified in the above mixture of sacred and profane, when birthdays were never a part of the practice of God's people, and any Xmas celebrations were not part of the Church for at least the first three centuries. So how did these early Christians glorify their God without the spectacle of Xmas? 🙃
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@thet1375 I hear this from many apologists for "Easter" but still not supplied with any PROOF, save the writings of the Venerable Bede who mentioned Eosturmonath as the month in April in "Old English" that you mention which he says is named after the pagan godess EOSTRE.
Maybe you can refute this historical Christian writing as "heretical" by supplying your PROOF of the "EAST" being the true meaning of this word that has replaced the Passover of the LORD.
Passover takes place in the "EAST" too, so why was that not good enough, if God ordained it as an "Appointed Time" or "moed" and Yeshua, later changed to "Jesus" by the Gentiles, observed it since He was 12 years old until His death on the actual Day of Passover on Nisan 14th, which He asked us to remember "as often as ye do this," i.e. celebrate Passover, not "do this as often as you like," which is basically what goes on today in most Gentile churches. The New Testament clearly says that "Christ (Messiah) our PASSOVER (not our "Easter") was slain for us, therefore LET US KEEP THE FEAST" (of Passover). Yeshua is the Passover Lamb, not an "Easter Bunny"! 🐰 🙃
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@chrishilton3626 Yes, most people do not know His given Name (above ALL 'other' names).
He will say when people claim to have done miraculous works "in His name," - "Depart from Me, I never KNEW you!" At least "SATAN" survived the "translation" from Hebrew to Greek to English without any alterations, yet the All-powerful Name of YESHUA is basically unknown or respected.
And the saddest thing is, no one really CARES! 🙃 Even Coca-cola gets more more internationality than the Name of of YESHUA, and they didn't need to change that four-syllabled word into other languages for it to be understood or 'acceptable' or even 'easier to pronounce'.
Other Hebrew words were not changed, such as AMEN, HALLELUJAH, HOSANNA, ARMAGEDDON etc., but the Name that He asked us to pray for things in is lost forever.
I thought Christians would have "cared" more once they realise this demonically inspired deception and injustice, but they DON'T CARE and insist that YESHUA (or "Jeezus") does not care either! That is a PRESUMPTION, as He just MIGHT! He cares that people love Him, as you say, but one way of loving someone, showing respect for them, and a proof that you know them INTIMATELY is if you get their name right and least use it, especially as all Hebrew names have intrinsic special meanings, such as YESHUA meaning "salvation," whereas "Jeezus" means NOTHING. There is no specific date for Xmas, which is why it is futile to set one on Dec 25th.
If you know it's UNTRUE, why keep up the LIE? There is no logical reason to celebrate the Messiah's birth date "all year round" as you suggest, simply because it's a man-made fallacy.
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@chrishilton3626 Yes, but we are not commanded to keep it so you can't apply some sentimental 'pressure' to be part of this man-made invention if one does not see an essential need to do so.
It is doubtful that Dec 25th is a true date anyway, so is it good to uphold a LIE? Yes, Yeshua was changed to Iesous via Greek because all Greek male names, especially of gods, end in an "s" sound, like Perseus, Zeus etc, whilst female names were open ended with an "a" or "e" vowel sound, such as Diana, Aphrodite etc., so a Hebrew name like YESHUA could have been miscontrued in THAT language as female, hence the ending "s." HOWEVER, there is no such grammatical or cultural need in OTHER languages, so YESHUA would be perfectly fine and His original given Name meaning "salvation" which has now been shrouded from most Christians.
Call Him what you like, if you prefer Greek, but the Name that EVERY KNEE shall bow to will be YESHUA. God named Him that via the Angel Gabriel, so it must have some significance, but even Christians can outrule God by insisting on re-naming His Son with a name He never knew. 🙃
The gift of Yeshua is SALVATION (His Name) and not celebrating His supposed "birth-day." 🎄
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@bethyngalw forget any "pagan" claims then, but just as you say, "Christ-Mass" and "Easter" were designed by Christians for Christians, but NOT by God or Jesus (Yeshua). They are MAN-MADE ecclesiastical feasts nowadays imposed on most of the Church, but they didn't exist before the Fourth Century if you study the history of the Sabbath-keeping Quartodeciman churches founded by John the Apostle across Asia Minor and the pre-Roman Celtic Church in Ireland and Britain who remembered the Lord's death on the Day of Passover, Nisan 14th, as opposed to the new Roman "Easter" before the Synod of Whitby in 664 when King Oswy of Northumbria, England, was swayed by the Roman prelates to reject the Biblical date of Passover with the man-made "Easter" and the British Church has observed these Roman festivals ever since without question. Even if not pagan, they do replace God's holy "Appointed Times" or "moadim." "Christ-Mass" takes its name from the Roman Catholic Mass which actually commemorates Yeshua's death more than it does His birth at least ceremony-wise.
Some Christian deominations do not recognise the Roman Catholic "Mass" yet still invoke its memory each times they say the word "Christ-Mass" or "Christmas," so is this "of God" or men?
I am sorry if I projected ideas that you never articulated, and you can celebrate how you like.
Maybe I should keep my counsel to myself. There are none so deaf as those who will not hear.
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@annep.1905 I am not learned by any means, so you may call me an ignoramus if you like. I accept your Christian admonition with all the zeal that it portends. I believe in order to be reachable one has to be teachable, and I have listened to Christians' teachings on this matter, which may not be considered as research, but it is how many people attending churches get their information.
Actually, very few explain the meaning of the word "Easter" when they celebrate it year in year out, so it can be pretty elusive getting accurate information, such as yours, on the subject.
At least I know the origin of the word "Christmas" from the Roman Catholic "Mass of Christ," or "Christ-Mass," although I have never attended a Roman Catholic Mass myself in person, but I know this is what most people call the festival. Differing denominations have taught me differently of course, all based on varying interpretations of the Bible, and some based on tradition. The same with Christian individuals and their 'views.' Either I avoid listening to any of them, or I listen to some of them in the hope that some of them are right, and try to decide which ones are telling the real truth. This anomaly extends to many who may wish to learn about the tenets of Christianity and its traditions, celebrations and theology, and some 'positions' are defended very fiercely.
The reason I alluded to "Easter" being pagan was to do with a reference to it in the writings of the Venerable Bede, who apparently connected the Anglo-Saxon month of Eosturmonath with the goddess Eostre, who I can only presume was pagan and not Christian. It is not for me to know or prove, but I can cite a source on the topic.
I will not type all in one go as sometimes a long text does not send. I am in bed terminally ill with Amyloidosis & End-Stage Kidney Disease which prevented me from replying earlier, and another good reason why I lack so much research and show so much ignorance as my energies are limited to the amount I can study and absorb, as my body is weak from 5 years of chemotherapy and kidney dialysis, not that I want to make excuses, but you are very right.
I will try to quote a little bit about what I had learned about "Easter," not to prove you wrong, but to let you know where I may have got some of my misconceptions. I trust you will forgive me.
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@bethyngalw You can say what you like, but the Bible nowhere commands the observance of "Christmas" or " Easter." They are both man-made festivals with man-made names and as such no one is obligated to keep them, despite the pressure from man-made holiday people like yourself. Yeshua, later re-named "Jesus" by the Gentiles, never instructed anyone to venerate His birth or His resurrection with weekly, yearly special days or otherwise. This is ecclesiology.
The only thing Yeshua (meaning "salvation") commanded to remember was His atoning sacrificial death as the Lamb of God which took place exactly on the Day of Passover, the Biblical date of Nisan 14th still in Jewish calendars today, which was set in place by God as an "Appointed Time" or "moed" and observed by Yeshua since age 12 at the Temple and which was His last day on earth. It was on this day that the Passover lambs were being led out for slaughter for the Passover sacrifices in the Temple as a remembrance of God's redemption of His people.
This holy day has been superceded by the man-made "Easter," which even if you claim it is not pagan, neither is it from God for God already had His "Appointed Times" ("moadim") in place.
Yeshua asked His followers to remember His DEATH, not His birth or resurrection, as although they were both miraculous, as was the ascension, they do not provide salvation, only Yeshua's shed BLOOD does that, which is why He asked to think of that blood when drinking wine at Passover and the unleavened Passover bread ("matza") as His sinless broken body, "as often as ye do this," i.e. at Passover, not "do this as often as you like," which is basically what most churches do nowadays. The pre-Roman Celtic Church in Ireland & Britain kept the Passover of the LORD on Nisan 14th until the new Roman "Easter" took over after the Synod of Whitby in 664 when some Roman prelates won King Oswy of Northumbria over by clever arguments and got Passover cancelled across the British Isles from that point on, which you now 'celebrate.' 🙃
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@j.thomas7128 putting the 'trivialities' of Xmas & Pride behind us by comparison, your story is indeed heartbreaking and I was taken back by your openness and genuine sentiments which did not harbour the negativity that I am so used to in some circles. I could empathise with much of what you shared. My partner was previously married heterosexually for many years but went through a very bitter divorce, which I had never encountered before in terms of considering a relationship, and he has custody of his two teenage kids, who both get on well with me.
He suffered the same calumny that you did in regard to custody etc only his wife decided she did not want the children, and he is such a good and loving father to them, but he often tells me of how his heart was broken during the months of separation from his children while custody decisions were being initally decided by the authorities, which naturally favoured the mother, so what you say is true concerning the discrimination against single (or divorced) fathers.
I know he loves his daughter and son very much, so I can only try to imagine how you felt losing your daughter after losing your beloved wife. We are all appreciative of both life and love from the diversity of our experiences, yet we are a happy fun-loving little 'family' without acrimony.
I have taken some videos of me pottering in the greenhouse and in my wheelchair at the gala opening night of the new ABBA concert in London when I met Benny from the group, so I am making 'memories' and keepsakes as I go along. I am sentimental so there will be no shortage of 'mementos.' I just want to thank you again for being so personal and so human, a rare commodity these days. May life still fill you with peace, serenity and fulfilment and joy.
Shalom from Colin 🌿🌹🦋
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@Leokat334 I would say the majority of the world doesn't believe in Him. What about the broad and narrow way? Have you changed that around? Christians now rule the world and the minority of non-Christians are on the narrow path??? The Bible refers to a "little flock."
You may hate the gay flag, even though hatred often only engenders more hatred, but when I lived in Israel the Jews did not like the symbol of the cross, with even adding up their sums in school as 2 T 2 = 4 instead of 2 + 2 = 4 in orthodox circles in order to avoid writing it. This is not because of anything Yeshua the Messiah did, later re-named "Jesus Christ" by non-Jews or Gentiles, but because of the murder and pillage of Jews in the name of Christianity, such as communities of Jews being burnt alive in their synagogues in Jerusalem by the Crusaders with flags and banners emblazoned with the Christian cross. You may be proud of this symbol and not want "Jesus Christ" to be compared to "gays and their flag," but I can assure you that flags with your beloved cross symbol is responsible for more hatred and murder than any 'gay' flag.
For that reason a whole race of people, the Jews, and others offended by it, also pay that symbol no attention for what it represents for the actions meted out by those in "Jesus' " name.
At least the Jews knew the Messiah's real given Name (Yeshua, meaning "salvation"), even if they didn't follow Him. The main reason they don't is because of the example of Christians.
As the Bible clearly says of such, "their blood I will require from your hands." You may hate very well symbols and flags of your choice, but your Christian symbols should have more respect if more adherents of Christianity showed the true love, empathy and compassion of YESHUA. ❣
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@j.thomas7128 well they were using the Biblical Hebrew calendar when I lived in Israel. I get your point about not bothering if other people celebrate other religions, beliefs, calendars, and cultures, but at the same time you seem to be saying that it depends on percentages, such as 2% of the population having no right, but a majority are able to plaster the city and hold parades.
I don't want to endlessly argue over shadows, as I haven't the energy today as an end-stage kidney patient I haven't the stamina for it. I simply put up some comments, but maybe I should have kept my own counsel. I'm just glad to be alive and to see and smell flowers in the garden.
Everything else is peripheral, including all the opinionated comments that can be found on here.
I wish you well. I was being a bit protective as this year I found a very beautiful person who loves and cares for me despite my being terminally ill with Amyloidosis after 40 years of trying to keep up the standards of institutionalized Christianity since age 15. Now at age 56 I enter into a relationship which has made me very happy that has made me happy and secure, but I know so many church and other people will condemn because it is a hated and much maligned gay relationship and already people in my town cross the street when they see me. It is a bittersweet experience because of other people's judgements, but I am the happiest in my life and prepared to defend that. That does not mean that I support ostentation or lewd displays of sexuality.
But I am too tired to fight, but I am thankful I was able to feel this way once before I die. 🌿
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@dankamp2872 well murder, rape and theft are criminal acts so they would hardly be "paraded" as such, but there certainly is no shame in adultery or divorce anymore, and although not exactly "paraded" on the streets, the general moral decline of the nation is "paraded" or on constant display on every area of the media, including films, television, online computers, literature, it is all pervasive, so I don't think it is only one segment of society showing lewdness or a decline in morals. The original concept behind the parades was to be accepted and to have the same right as anyone else to love and to be loved. I do not think gaudy or rude displays help anyone. 🙃
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@lastjellyontheplate8828 I love the way that Christians always judge others so harshly, even those attempting to understand their religion. It is very disillusioning and makes one feel small and pointless to be constantly belittled by so many perfect Christians who let you know how better they are than you by their praiseworthy erudition and expertise in comparision to you.
There's really little point in even trying to attach onesself to this genre of people as it is very demeaning and discouraging and I find secular people to be much kinder, empathetic and less icy 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶 to engage with. I only mentioned that point about the "last days" as I heard it once from a Christian pastor (who must only have had a smattering of God's Word, and not read it properly) and I thought it was a good point that we often overlook that the first Christians believed they were in the last days and were expecting the imminent return of the Messiah back then.
I am sorry for mentioning it and that pastor must have been wrong and sceptical as you say for not also mentioning the many, many verses pertaining to the last days, telling us to be vigilant as these things have to happen but the end is NOT YET as he should have when he pointed this out. I really should not have listened to him or even attended that heretical church it would seem.
Believe it or not this infidel has read the Bible and my itchy ears managed to pick up Biblical Hebrew fluently during my 10 years as a missionary in Israel which allowed me to also read it in its entirety in that holy tongue in which it was originally written and I spoke, read and wrote with great ease in that tongue with the locals in regard to the smattering of God's Word that I had not read properly, and they were appreciative despite me not knowing it all to receive Hebrew cards and letters in their language with Hebrew quotations from their own holy history Book which seemed to touch their hearts even if mine remained skeptical only hearing what I wanted to hear.
I thank you for your admonition, the result of which has shown me that I have wasted many years of my life thinking I knew it all when in fact I still need to be shown truth and to read the Bible properly with a prayerful heart. It is strange that even if one were to do that one would still get shot into the ground for whatever one quotes or for the way in which it was delivered.
The reason why I may lack the perfection that you seek for my life is largely due to lack of energy and drive as a result of being a terminally ill Amyloidosis patient with End-Stage Kidney Disease after 5 years of chemotherapy and gruelling dialysis which is literally very draining and after a solid-organ renal transplant I remain constantly immunosupprssed which leaves me tired and listless, so I may fail in my delivery at times compared to the energy and vigour of others who may not be as disillusioned as I am with the whole gambit of religion accompanied by cold 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶 judgemental Christians who cast judgement on others who may struggle to grasp a few straws, but I stand upbraided and admonished by you for my insolence and lack of Biblical knowledge which only proves that even a little knowledge is no use in the kingdom of God.
However, before I got sick I conducted many open-air Gospel meetings on the seafront of our town and orchestrated conventions and special Christian events at various churches where I had a good relationship with many missionary organisations, but all that is dross when one's life is draining away due to chronic illness that the Almighty in His wisdom sought to bestow on me.
I feel I must have got it all wrong and therefore am not really a part of these people at all as I can never reach their high and lofty standards that they expect and it is with a prayerful heart indeed that I bow out much defeated. 😑
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@abcxyz2927 Please stop posting FALSE INFORMATION online about me being an atheist. I am making no such public judgement against your character. Neither am I sad or lonely, as I am VERY HAPPY WITH A GORGEOUS LOVING AND CARING BOYFRIEND, unlike the icebergs in the churches 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶 and certain segments of society where falling in love with a life partner is still viewed as a mortal sin. Some of my fiercest critics, however, are very sad and lonely, and often caught up in a web of deceit and indocrination that keeps them hating and judging others.
I do not care about Brexit as you claim nor do I care if the city of Belfast is relevant on the world's stage which you assume in some kind of fantasy notion, which is so far from reality. I grew up in a war torn country but that was only a quirk of fate, as it just as easily could have been someone like yourself without the peaceful suburbs of mainland Britain thereby making your life experience somewhat different to the one you seem happy enough to enjoy today.
Some of us did not have that luxury. Yes, I know how the rest of the UK don't want us, as I felt when applying for a seasonal chef's job there after my mother remarried and moved there, when the lady in the social security office said, "Why don't you go back to Ireland where you belong!"
Funny she made no differentiation about the political administration in Northern Ireland but just lumped everyone together into one foreign unwanted "Irish" category that was unwelcome.
Yes, if a referendum was given to the rest of the UK they would be happy to detach from us, and perhaps they would do the same if given the opportunity to get rid of Scotland too, then England could eventually sit alone as a sovereign nation with no formal allies or friendly neighbours.
You may have cut us loose decades ago if given the chance, but don't forget that the reason we are in this bloody mess at all is because we were colonised by the British Empire and were not given a choice who our overlords were. Had you considered that we also might want to be free of you too if we had the chance decades ago? It would have saved a lot of bloodshed and death.
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@abcxyz2927 you post to me, although it does not appear publicly on here, that I am still covering up my "seething atheism" with the vernacular, and how "this story is about an entire London street used as a display to tell others how to live their lives... keep your sectarianism to yourself."
Firstly, I am not an atheist by any means, although I do not like how religious people judge gay people as if they were the only valid voice on the planet. Being disgruntled with the rude and unkind nature of so many who claim to be Christians and follow God does not make me an atheist. It would be much easier to be an atheist as then one would not have a care at all.
You say that a display of flags in a street is telling others how to live their lives, and yet this is exactly what Christians do whether they use flags or not. Christians just get annoyed when they feel are not getting the upper hand any more or are losing control of people's free wills which they normally vanquish through constant indocrination. How can you blame gays for copying some of the same tactics? You will find more Christian churches in your community than you will a gay bar in most normal settings, so who is the most successful at seeking dominance?
I am not sectarian, in fact I left Nothern Ireland and broadened my mind by living and working abroad, mostly in the Middle East, and also in England where the racists there called me Paddy.
I cannot help the place where I was born, but I do not subscribe to N.I. politics or religion.
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@gooble69 I am quite familiar with the "two camps" analogy as it's quite common for people with differences not to agree, such as with the peoples with differing outlooks and flags in the countries I lived in the most, Northern Ireland and Israel respectively, and the "two camps" reality is still alive and well in those countries. That is why I applied it to the opposing parties here, as they look very unlikely to agree. I know you are looking to one side to blame, which happens in any conflict situation, but often you have to look at the grievances of BOTH sides in order to make any progress with either peace, reconciliation or a de-escalation of rhetoric or violence.
Yes, most nation states have a single flag and all citizens are under their laws, but there are exceptions, such as the two places where I have lived where certain laws and flags may not be recognised at all. You say equality is desired by most people, yet say that civilisation is moving away from unity due to certain groups that you do not name, except for the term "woke" which I do not have any clear knowledge of, except that I "woke" up from my sleep to answer this text.
I did think your description equally applies to the Christian Church when you mentioned the promotion of special interest groups with special membership based on immutable traits with dedicated flags of their own that they force on you and demand you recognise (the Vatican) 🇻🇦
Thankfully I am not a member of any "group" religious or otherwise, but I do know that any "groups" will always cause division as they often exclude those who do not agree with them.
Bigotry has been eating away at our society, but not just from this new word "woke," but for centuries already the most bigotted minds have come from the ranks of organized religion.
The name of that bigotry goes by the name of Christianity (their word not mine). 🙃
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@kmo6708 So, there were more than three parties. I don't think anyone has suffered more punishment than Boris Johnson and it sounds like you still want more. When will you're thirst for vengence be expiated? Yes, people did get fined, but not publicly vilified and crucified like this.
Those people who got fines got caught red-handed, whereas Boris still protests his innocence!
But that doesn't matter as long as the bloodthirsty ungrateful British public get their scapegoat.
I can say that much more offenders did NOT get fines and purposely flaunted their partying without care, at least in the neighbourhood where I live, so your perfect justice seems to lack.
Sweden didn't have any of these rules and seem to have passed through everything fine, and they certainly don't have self-righteous point scorers vilifying both public and government at every turn. "Let him who had sin cast the first stone." And every complaining Brit is a liar.
You only need to tell ONE lie to be a liar, and the Bible that Parliament forced Boris Johnson to swear upon as a symbol of truth says in the book of Revelation that ALL LIARS, from the highest to the lowest, will be cast into the lake of fire! 🙃🤯🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 Have you ever told a lie? 🤔
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@ColonelStraker Well, from what I understand the Bible says that "SIN is trangression of the Law" (of God), which I am guessing you are using for your measuring stick to size other people up and what you must be referring to in not compromising against it. So not to accept sin.
However, I see Christians breaking God's Law all the time, so how are they so different in their behaviour than the people you seem to be denouncing as sinners? Most of them refuse to obey God in remembering the Sabbath Day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week, now called "Saturday" by most Christians in honour of the god Saturn, and a great many seem to ignore the warning by God in Leviticus 11: 7, 10-12 about the ABOMINATION (emphasized by God FOUR TIMES) of eating sewage-imbibing shellfish and scavenger animals, which even as a Hilton chef I was taught by my secular tutors that these were "HIGH RISK" foods to be cooked, prepared and stored with great care in order not to poison anyone, which differentiation even the Gentile Noah knew about when he obeyed God in boarding the unclean animals in TWOS upon the Ark, whilst boarding the clean animals in SEVEN PAIRS, or 14 animals, as they were needed for food. 🐷
You mention the lake of fire, which the book of revelation informs us is where ALL LIARS will end up, which must include all Christian parents, teachers and even church ministers who LIE to innocent children year in, year out, wilfully and unrepentedly about Santa Claus and his flying reindeer. 🎅 🦌🦌🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
You are certainly right about confusing love vs tolerance, so how long should we tolerate the sinful behaviour of these law-breaking Christian liars posing as representatives of the Messiah in the churches? It seems to have moved from a mindset of reject, then resist, then tolerate, then accept, and now embrace Sabbath-breaking, eating unclean animals and blatantly LYING!!!! 🤯
Thank you for reminding of the tidal wave of these mainstream values that have everlasting consequences, which I know you are fully aware of or you wouldn't preach so much about sin.
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@anonym4us13 I think that's a very devisive outlook. Flags represent a good face of the country or people they represent, they should not be viewed as something hostile, unless people are afraid of difference and open representation. You insinuate that gay people are not part of society, but that is what the spectrum of colours represent, that gay people can be found in any strata of society, in any country, nation, people, race or religion, and so it should be a unifying symbol and one of integration, not one of separation or discrimination. Surely that is an aspiration.
I live in a divided society where both British and Irish flags vie for predominance, but while one side refuses to accept the legitimacy of the other the flags only add to the tension & mistrust.
I don't think countries should necessarily not accept another nation's flag favourably, unless, as you suggest, they pose a serious threat. Rainbow flags aren't there to stamp out all others, but to form a bridge between many. Most that are offended take umbrage out of deep personal dislike.
That is prejudice, and you cannot blame the rainbow flag for that. If you want a totally white heterosexual community to identify with as your country you're gonna have to follow Hitler.
That kind of thinking only leads to alienation and hatred, and we should be beyond that.
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@user-FUCKYOU18 The word "chosen" in the Hebrew Bible is the word "bechor" which simply means appointed or elected for a certain purpose, not that they are "special" or above anyone else as most stupid white people understand it when they translate it into English as "chosen" and even more stupid people react to it in their ignorance & bitterness.
The same word is used for Christians in the New Testament, when it calls the Church of God the "elect" which is the equivilent word to "bechor" or chosen for a certain purpose.
Even in modern Israel the word is used as "BECHOROT" for "ELECTIONS" when they are "choosing" or "electing" political leaders, but it is a generic word with a general meaning.
Israel was picked to be a light to the nations by bringing the written Scriptures of God to the world, so they were more of a channel than any object of veneration or personal fame.
Obviously for a such a task some group were needed, as the whole world could not be given a divine revelation to every single nation on earth at the same time, so one nation was picked to do it, and because of that they are hated, killed, maligned by everyone. 🙃
This was God's doing, no choice or desire of the Israelites. If your people were "chosen" to do the task would they have done any better, and bear in mind that all will hate you for it!
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@arturferrao7353 The Canaanites preceded the Israelites in the land, and it was named Canaan followed by Israel, and later Judea. Philistia was a separate territory from Canaan, the narrow coastal strip of land where Gaza is today, and not the whole territory of Canaan, which is why I asked why it is named by non-Jews after the non-Semitic Philistines if the Semitic Israelites conquered the land and largely vanquished its inhabitants such as the accounts in the Hebrew Bible inform us. ?
The Jews were prohibited from intermarrying with the pagan peoples around them, so they had a taboo about this, even if the Philistines didn't as your magazine states. Whether the Semitic Arabs married Philistines or Canaanites is a matter for conjecture, but we know in the Biblical era that the Arabs, Edomites and Ammonites were largely concentrated in the deserts of Arabia, whilst the Twelve Tribes of Israel were given the land of the Bible by God as their Promised Land.
At least that is what it says in the Holy Bible which is used by Courts of Law across the globe to swear upon as a symbol of truth. So do you think the Semitic Arabs are mixed blood with the Philistines, Cannanites or even both? I think there is less chance of the Israelites doing so, even though it is the Jews whom conspiratists claim are not a pure bloodline, yet they never question the purity of the Arabs' blood. Reality: Canaan & Israel was never called "Palestine" in the Bible.
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@thesehandlessucksomuch I did not say you were hating, I was saying that those who support Israel do not show hate (towards Muslims or those who oppose Israel) as you said in your comment that you could not wait to see who will hate on you, as if you were inviting someone to hate you.
And after I reply in a very moderate and generous way in order to assure you that you won't be hated (and the lack of comments against you seem to prove this) and my well wishes for you to have peace from God, you reply negatively and say to me, "you are hating"!!! 🤯 I am not hating!
I did point out truthfully that you will only find hate on the side that opposes Israel, as they do openly hate Israel and encourage others to do so by their pervasive propaganda and marches.
If you do not wish me to say that they support the Islamists, then I will change it for you into they support those who are Islam, however, that then implicates ordinary non-terrorists as well.
If Islamists are not a thing, and there is only Islam, then Islam, not Islamists, is responsible for the murder, rape, kidnapping, and burning of children in piles with the hands tied behind their backs on Islam. I'm glad you have clarified that for me, but that does not mean that I hate them.
"Vengeange is Mine, saith the LORD." It is not up to me to mete out judgement to others. 🙃
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@davedmusic3598 Name calling is not the sign of a good argument. Just like Andrew Neil couldn't answer sufficiently or righteously over Israel it seems neither can you. Neither had he decent questions to ask but was full of trickery and entrapment. "By their fruits ye shall know them." Israel was a nation when London was a marsh so Andrew Neil needs to go back to his tribal huddle in Scotland and do a Highland Fling. Israel will remain a nation forever, for the God of the Bible, the Book which courtrooms across the globe use to swear upon as a symbol of TRUTH, says that while there remains a sun and moon in the sky, so shall Israel remain a nation before the LORD God of Israel. It is the only land and people with "God" in it, and God names Himself after them, not the Arabs or anyone else, for "EL" is a contracted form of "ELOHIM" which is the Hebrew word for "God", thus the name "ISRA-EL" means quite uniquely "Prince of God."
Not even Andrew Neil can attach that to his family clan. The world clamours to say that Jews living in the Land of the Bible, their ancient Promised Land, given to them by God no less, (if anyone has watched the film The Ten Commandments about Israel's Exodus from Egypt), are "illegal" for in their opinion Judea should be given to the Arabs of Arabia as their State! 🙃🤯
Now that's the biggest 'strawman' argument I have ever heard, yet amazingly people fight for its cause, missing the bigger picture that the Arabs have nearly the whole of the Middle East, and the Jews hardly anything, even though they are both Semitic cousins descended from their common Forefather Abraham, after which the Arabs were allotted land in the huge expanse of oil-rich Arabia, and the Jews were given the tiny parcel of land called Judea, only about the size of Wales in the UK. Yet, the nations of the world insist, the Arabs must have that too, and the Jews expelled for being "colonial"! What an upside down world we live in which hates the Jews.
Strawmen? There are plenty of strawmen out there making false accusations about Israel. 🤯
Seeing as you are not a strawman, your response will be very welcome to match the response of Andrew Neil in like manner, seeing you think he was so bold and valiant. I await your reply.
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@kodiak64 No, I do not argue that (Gentile) believers be circumcised, although Jewish believers may well be, as this is categorically made clear in the New Testament. What makes you think I would believe that? It makes no sense whatever! 🙃
Yes, I am currently looking after two chickens and am well aware of their omnivorous diet, but I would not dismiss the whole "unclean" matter completely. Let's take religion and the Bible out of the equation, seeing as you consider that permise to be "nonsense." I am a qualified Hilton Chef and when I was training at Catering College where religion plays no part, my secular tutors made it quite clear in quite categorical terms that animals such as pork and shellfish ("unclean" in the Bible) are "HIGH RISK" foods to be stored, prepared and cooked with utmost care in order not to risk human food poisoning. Lobsters have to be cooked alive for the same reason as their flesh will rot with enzymes almost immediately as they filter impurities from the water as do most shellfish, such as prawns/shrimps, crabs, mussels, crustaceans etc., and that's why pork meat has to be "cured" by pickling in a briny salt solution to prevent the flesh from rotting, as it is full of toxins from its diet and needs to be fully cooked due to its likelihood of having trichinosis worms or eggs in its flesh. Beef however can be hung for 28 days or more with no risk at all.
You don't need to "cure" something unless it is sick! 🐖 🦐
John Gill may have his view, but I do not have to be indocrinated by his conclusions. Thankfully God gave us free thought to be able to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling, and what we read in the Bible for ourselves was not made beyond our reach by a loving God who had His Word written in codices that are clear and consise and not in the least ambiguous, and in the original Hebrew it is even more clear without the prejudices of Gentile Bible translators at work.
There was no written law in Abraham's time either, yet the Bible says that Abraham obeyed God's commandments. Just because it wasn't written down did not mean that pre-Sinai people were ignorant of His will. Otherwise they would all be atheists or else lawless restless people.
How, for instance, did they know about sacrifices if there was not some instruction (or law/commandment) from God pertaining to it, or did man just make it up for himself? 🤔
Yes, meat eating began after the flood and the clean animals on board the Ark would have been part of that. People before the flood also lived till nearly 1,000 years old, so it was different.
Peter refused God three times with the suggestion to eat unclean food in Joppa (Jaffa), where I lived for several years, but He did not do it! That was some 15 years after the resurrection.
Why are you so concerned anyhow?! Why are Christians so concerned about a little obedience in this matter, which is ultimately for our health and benefit? At least according to my kidney transplant doctors, and they are not Christian. People will make a big religious thing of "fasting" for "Lent" and other man-made inventions, giving up chocolate or other luxuries, yet they cannot bring themselves to admit that God was sharing wisdom of the Creator by revealing the danger of eating unclean animals. As Yeshua said, they would strain at a gnat, yet swallow a camel! 🙃
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@kodiak64 Who told you that? 🤔 The Bible never once uses the term "ceremonial" in connection with eating unclean animals, and where it does appear in some English translations of the Bible it is added by the translator as it does not exist in the original text or "Word of God."
Would you consider Peter as head of the Church as a grace-filled Christian or a Jewish heretic?
Some 15 years after the resurrection the book of Acts records him refusing three times TO GOD to eat unclean animals and the sheet containing them went three times back up to heaven. He did not sit and dine on monkeys, horses, crocodiles, dogs, rabbits, pigs, camels or shellfish. 🤯
Rather it was just a vision, not reality, in which God was using this stark image that was against all Scriptural instruction to jolt Peter into accepting non-Jews into the Jewish Church.
God's law ("Torah") has the instrinsic meaning of "TEACHING" in Hebrew as opposed to the negative legalistic tone of "law" rendered by Gentiles from Hebrew into many English Bibles.
The animal sacrifices pertain to a different Hebrew word, which is "ordinances" or "Hukkim," and those were fulfilled by Yeshua's Passover sacrifice as the Lamb of God (not an "Easter" Bunny) and were nailed to the cross as the New Testament clearly points out, but Yeshua clearly stated that He came not to abolish the law of God, which includes ALL the law, but not "ordinances" pertaining to the Temple and blood sacrifices, along with the altars, incense and priestly vestments, which some Gentile denominations try to re-employ under grace in their churches.
If eating unclean animals, which are mostly scavengers (as a chef I can testify) does not apply in the New Testament age, then why did it apply before Israel with the grace filled Gentile Noah?
If you can quote your source to prove your claim I would be most appreciative.
In Catering College I was told by my SECULAR tutors that pork and shellfish are "HIGH RISK" foods that must be stored, cooked and handled with utmost care so as not to poison anyone.
Now that I am a terminally ill kidney patient post-transplant my doctors warn me not to eat pork or shellfish, yet all the Gentile Christians I know in the churches tell I am to doctrinally eat them!
Some of them also chided me for having a transplant instead of relying on God for a miracle.
Just because a Christian says or believes something, I have learned, does not mean that what they say or teach is always right. I will go by the Word of God until you can show me different.
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@FirstLast-rb5zj I have left Christianity because as a gay man I will never be accepted unless I force myself to become heterosexual to fit in with their ideology and expectation. I am not atheist but I do stay away from these aggressively indocrinating people for my own good.
I have noticed that many heterosexuals engage in sodomy as well as only homosexuals, which if outside of the purpose of procreation must by your own words be either imprpoer or ambiguous. It is good you believe in a life with some enjoyment. The Church takes this away.
Christians will always quote "God said" to suit their own nuanced or discriminatory beliefs, such as with sexuality and morality (even though there are many cases of paedophile clergy), yet they are not consistent in that they ignore what God says on eating sewage-imbibing shellfish etc.
I am a 57 year old terminally ill kidney patient with Amyloidosis, now immunosuppressed after a kidney transplant, and I attended Church and even took my own meetings for over 40 years.
I led many years in a celibate lifestyle in order to meet the Church's expectations for gay men who are unlikely to marry, but two years ago I met a wonderful man, who himself has been through the whole trajectory of Christianity as a former minister, but was clearly disillusioned.
We struggled in the same way for most of our lives and had so very many interests in common.
Thus I have ended up at this juncture of my life, when health-wise I felt I was on the scrap-heap of life, (for who wants to take interest in a sick person?) now experiencing great happiness and an inner peace I did not have with all the turmoil, condemnation and negativity of Christianity.
All men may have sin, which is why Yeshua (before His given Name was changed to "Jesus" by the Gentiles) said, "Let him without sin cast the first stone," and with whatever judgement you measure out to others it will be measured out to you. People don't like this judgementalism.
People will walk over you if you let them, and Christians are also very good at this, only with hobnail boots! It has takem me 40 years to arrive at this conclusion, but it's the only choice.
Shalom-peace 🌿🕊 💕
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@Leira-et9bw I don't see the word RITUALLY in there. Adding that gives a doctrinal slant. We are not to add to God's word. It's the same when they add the word CEREMONIAL to the Hebrew word TORAH usually negatively rendered as LAW by Gentile translators, although it's intrinsic meaning in Hebrew is the much more positive "TEACHING" from the related root word "MOREH/MORAH" meaning "TEACHER" as in Mount Moriah, which is MORI-YAH, God is my Teacher.
It is just the word "LAW" ("TORAH"/TEACHING"), not "CEREMONIAL LAW" in the original text.
Translators can have a doctrinal agenda when choosing words in order to give an impression that will influence the reader into his/her persepective, but not necessarily what God wrote.
For example there is no "RITUALLY" in the same verse in the NKJV where it says: "Hear and understand: Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man." It wasn't about what people eat, but about commiting sins by one's mouth.
He was previously dealing with a bunch of religious hypocrites keeping traditions of men, but not of God, such as religious people today can just as easily add their own vain traditions.
As Yeshua pointed out in vs 9: "And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." Such additional traditions include Christ-Mass, Easter, Lent etc.
We should not quote Scripture with the main purpose to dilute and cancel out God's law.
For in that day, He will say (to professing Christians who did great works like casting out demons etc), "Depart from Me, ye who work LAW-LESSNESS." You can only be lawless if you disregard or minimize God's law/"teaching" for sin is a trangression of the law, not just a twinge of our own conscience. Adding the word "RITUAL" suggests that one is obeying God in vain.
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@christinapsalmist4267 But truth is often twisted in their message and practice with so many man-made creeds and traditions on top just like the religious Pharisees in Yeshua's day.
He did not invent the Mass of Christ ("Christ-Mass"), "Easter" named after the pagan goddess Eostre/Eastre, "Lent", the abolition of the Sabbath rest day on the 7th or last day of the week, or the relegation of the Passover of the LORD on Nisan 14th, the date upon which Yeshua died, to be forgotten, when Yeshua asked to remember His sacrificial atoning DEATH "as often as ye do THIS" (i.e. commemorate the date of Passover), not "do this as often as you like," which is what badically happens in most Gentile denominational churches today with mini "Lord's Suppers" being held at breakfast time when it is illegal elsewhere to buy or consume wine in public, and often with leavened bread instead of unleavened bread as leaven is a symbol of sin which was why the unleavened bread which was the bread of affliction for the Israelites in Egypt is the perfect representation for His sinless body broken and afflicted for us to bring us salvation.
The abomination of eating unclean animals and sewage-imbibing shellfish is also ignored by grace-filled Christians who without the Sabbath and God's law are both restless and lawless.
If truth is to be preached, taught or shared, it must not be tampered with or added onto in these ways, otherwise it is like adding brick dust into a bag of flour as the product you are promoting is adulterated to a point that it can become worthless. The truth will set you free, but not error! 🤯
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@dpoole72dp : SIN = TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW (OF GOD). Have you transgressed? 🤔
Pride is not all of sin on this planet, but only one. Others include lying, gossip, slander, theft, eating unclean animals ("ABOMINATION!"), not keeping the Sabbath of the LORD holy, etc.
I have met many prideful, haughty, condescending, self-righteous, judgemental, condemnatory, and generally icy cold distant unfriendly unthoughtful and unkind Christians who all clearly sin.
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@templekanu6740 I would not say that Christians have always had "tolerant" views, considering they believe that they have the ONLY WAY to God, heaven and salvation, impugning all other religions as false, and therefore 'evil' and "of the devil" etc. 👺
Certainly for gay people I do not think there is much "tolerance," considering so many Christians intrinsically believe that homosexuality is wrong and a sin, and they spend much time condemning LGBT people in a very self-righteous way, yet ignoring many of the sins and imperfections a bit closer to home, and even secretly lurking among their own church pews!
Muslims for their part also object to schools for such teaching, as they uphold, in the same way as Christians do, that homosexuality is wrong, except they believe the Bible in a more literal way than Christians do by believing that homosexuals are worthy of death! Such is the love of God!
No doubt children taught these things by their religious parents will grow up being intolerant too, and as you advocate, will teach their children in turn "whatever they may wish."
It's only those that grow up realising what other people call an "absurdity" is actually a reality in their own lives that will end up being as equally intolerant of narrow-minded indocrinated Christians as they are of them. "Tolerance" means they won't actually stone them, that's all. 🙃
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@swiftlydoesit8480 Yes, that's true, evolution and all kinds of theories are pushed on kids to accept without much 'choice,' and I guess all parents in all religions pass on their religion to their children, unless they decide to disengage with it themselves, which a greater majority do now.
I guess kids have little choice in the ideologies that adults put onto them until they grow up, but by that time sometimes it's too late for too much independent thought, unless one is a bit of a maverick. Most people are like sheep and tend to follow along, just like the Bible says. 🐑
I guess the woman has a parental right to object to a secular and sexualised agenda being presented to her child, as much as an atheist or Buddhist mother might object to their child being subjected to unwanted Christian doctrine, like when churches organise seemingly innocuous events for kids, such as summer camps and activities, or like a local church here, putting sweets ("candy") through the door of homes in the hope to entice some of them.
However, "LGBT lifestyle" as you put it cannot be erased from humanity any more than we can erase the "heterosexual lifestyle," and to grow up feeling "wrong" must be a very terrible thing.
Life as part of a minority group is not easy, and Christians themselves are beginning to realise this increasingly as their grip on society and morals lessens over the decades, making them too a marginalised minority group that many people love to hate, mock and condemn.
It's just a pity the two discriminated groups of human beings could not find common ground.
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@dareemmanuel6079 Fulfil does not mean to cancel or abolish. To fulfil is to carry something out to the last detail. That does not certify that God's Law is now defunct and useless. Yeshua, before His Name was changed by the Gentiles to "Jesus," did not advocate stoning on the occasion of the woman caught in adultery as He said, "Those without sin cast the first stone", so there was no one left to stone her, and the reason being that Yeshua obviously reminded them all of their own sin. He then told the woman not to sin again, not to be law-less and commit more adultery if there is no more Law to break as Yeshua has "fulfilled" it in the sense that you understand it.
The Bible describes SIN as a TRANGRESSION OF THE LAW, so how could the woman know what sin was if the Law no longer was applicable to anyone who had met Yeshua in Person?
So basically we can lie, steal and murder and there's now nothing that God can do about it, as you have removed the very mechanism by which He can judge, according to your law-less-ness.
You think you know too, but even Yeshua on that day will say to those who did great works in his name, (most likely "Jesus," not Yeshua), "I never KNEW you. Depart from Me, you who practice LAW-LESS-NESS." Even Paul when asked do we reject the Law, says, "God forbid! Rather we UPHOLD the Law." Yeshua Himself said that He came not ABOLISH the Law. You think it's "O.T." 🙃
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@A.D.540 Well, seeing as you rely on the Biblical story of Adam & Eve as a written code for examples of perfect human unions, the Bible records that that the Edenic couple had two sons, Cain & Abel, without any evidence of any females being born. So is one to conclude by reading that same story that the whole human race descended from a pairing of these two brothers? 🤔
At least the Gospels record that Yeshua, later re-named "Jesus" by the Gentiles, had brothers AND sisters, even though not all sects of Gentile Christianity recognise even that much.
King Solomon, the wisest man that ever lived, had hundreds of wives and concubines, who later would cause Him to stray from the God of Israel to go to worship the foreign gods of his wives. 🤯
Funny how a man could have lots of women at once, but women did not have multiple men, at least not all at one time. Yeshua never married at all, so that wasn't that 'natural' to do either.
So Yeshua could be considered 'unnatural', which is the accusation many lob at homosexuals.
My own parents were "one man & one woman", the way it is "supposed to be," as you say, but the woman left when I was 12, leaving the man for another man, and the three siblings separated. So for all that people laud heterosexual unions for, a lot of them don't even last.
And if you're gay, the multi-partnered imperfect heterosexuals tell the homosexuals quite categorically that they can't have anyone. At least these unequal partners truly teach inequality!
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@philc1773 Part 2 reply to "some", "many", but not "a lot" of your points:
🦐 You say that using examples of SHELLFISH to try to discredit that text (I am asuming about homosexulity in Leviticus) is a WEAK ARGUMENT. I would say it is the BEST argument!
As it's "IN THE BOOK"!! !! 🦐🦐🦐🦀🦀🦀🦂🦂🦂🦞🦞🦞🐚🐚🐚 "ABOMINATION!! " (X 4!!)
You can't quote one abomination yet totally ignore another, not if the Author of it is GOD and it's "IN THE BOOK" !
The SHELLFISH example is emphasized (by God) FOUR TIMES as much as in the verse on homosexuality. Surely it should be the other way around, by the emphasis you give to gays?
If the Gentile Noah, who found GRACE in the eyes of the LORD, OBEYED GOD concerning the distinctions between CLEAN & UNCLEAN ANIMALS boarding the Ark in TWOS (unclean) and SEVEN PAIRS [14 animals] (clean, permitted for FOOD), before the Law was given at Sinai, then it makes up the "NOACHIDE LAWS" that Christian pastors teach apply to ALL GENTILES to keep!
Still a lot of selective "cherry-picking" going on in that "book" that you says condemns others.
No, not all relationships are monogamous, and you say that compared to "gay couples(') [apostrophe mine] sexual behaviour though, the vast majority (of heterosexual couples) are saints!" You say, "If I think OTHERWISE I am lying!" (Add that to the other accusations.)
That is a heavy judgement as the book of Revelation states quite categorically that ALL LIARS will end up in the lake of fire, which would include, of course, ALL the parents, teachers and even Christian ministers who LIE to innocent children wilfully, repetitively, year in, year out, with no remorse, unrepentedly, about Santa Claus and his flying reindeer on December 25th. 🎅🔥🔥🔥
One aspect you failed to mention is the many UNFAITHFUL "HETEROSEXUAL" MARRIED MEN who HAVE SEX WITH MEN BEHIND THEIR WIVES' BACKS, which would straddle their behaviour between what you cite as not "exactly monogamous" and the "saints" that you have juxtaposed against each other as a "comparison," but in such cases the two distinctions actually merge.
So I do think OTHERWISE, yes, but only because of life experience that hetties would miss.
Many of them are the "B" in LGBT, although most almost exclusively hide their activity up.
That is largely due to the guilt from Christian teaching and fear of being condemned as "gay."
Yet, they will still be considered "saints" by people such as yourself, and of course, by their darling unsuspecting wives, and not to mention children, friends, colleages & church folk.
If you give me a BIBLICAL reason why I should IGNORE something that God described as an ABOMINATION in His Holy Word then I will DISOBEY HIM AT YOUR BEHEST! 🦐🦐🦐🦐🦐🦐
Just state the reason from "the book." 🦞 One prohibition seems as clear as the other. 👬
If my argument is WEAK, please provide a STRONG ONE to replace it with one that is foolproof!
I avoided the "childhood trauma" point (as I never got to it), but also because I cannot personally testify about that as I did not experience that. I do know a lot of heterosexual people, however, who were SEXUALLY ABUSED BY HETEROSEXUAL PAEDOPHILE CLERGY here in Ireland, but most Christian apologists are not quite as interested in that topic as they are in the "gay" statistics. Maybe it's a bit too close to home. Also I know some awful incest stories non-gay.
I am sorry that I do not fit your statistic to match the studies that you cite.
I do not doubt that the world has "a lot" (I am afraid to use those two words now!) to thank Christianity for, but it also depends on what historical narrative you choose to get your information from. When I lived among the Jews in Israel, they taught me more about Church history than I ever learned in any church or school where I grew up, as they did not seem to recall any of the murders, bludgeonings, pogroms, malicious slander, (and they weren't even gay) and discrimination viciously meted out against the earthly kinfolk of the Messiah, the Jews, in the name of "Christ." Of course, most Jews do not recognise that Yeshua is a Jew just like them, as the Gentiles have successfully CHANGED His given Name (originally meaning "salvation") into the transmogrified Gentilized "Jesus," which would mean NOTHING to any Jew, except that He must be an imposter Messiah as He has no Hebrew Name and even the title Messiah is invisible.
To them He is just a swear word on television who must have written lots of anti-Semitic things in the New Testament that causes His followers to hound and condemn the Jews so fully.
I never said I wasn't interested in it, but anyone with same-sex attraction can never be a part of the church, and even if they try, the only options are to force oneself to try to marry a woman they are not attracted to, or to live a lonely marginalised life within a typical family-focussed church, and viewed with suspicion and mistrust. Believe me, I have tried. It's a nightmare! 🤯
I don't really need to discredit Christianity, as many of its adherents already do that quite successfully, if not remarkably, plus many observances and traditions found within Christendom are NOT found "IN THE BOOK," yet they are taught as "truth" with the help of man-made doctrine, such as with "Sun"-day observance, named after the SUN, and not the SON, when the resurrection actually took place at the end of the weekly SABBATH, just BEFORE the onset of "Sun"-day, and the crucifixion 3 days and 3 nights earlier on WEDNESDAY, not Friday, as the Gospels NOWHERE say Friday, but the mixing up of the ANNUAL PASSOVER SABBATH (which was a "high day" and can fall on ANY day of the week) with the regular weekly Sabbath has resulted in the "Friday-to-Sunday" equation, but a closer look at Biblical timings reveals the SABBATH as the True Resurrection Day 💥 - not that Yeshua asked anyone to venerate it anyhow.
I may not have answered ALL your points, as you require - not that you made "a lot" of points, (God forbid I should say that!), but again, space (and my energy levels) simply did not allow.
I guess I can anticpate from you further rejection and repudiation of my comments.
Shalom 🌿🕊
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@philc1773 Okay you made "some" points then. Sorry to offend and upset. My aplogies. Some Christians get very jittery and defensive in their responses. I did say that they would undoubtedly reject anything I say in response, and so it is a waste of valuable time and energy to engage.
Interestingly you accuse me of bypassing "MANY" of your points, although you objected to me using the words "a lot" of points, but you yourself seem to admit you made "MANY" points which you say I bypassed! 🙃 Rather I did not have total space and time to answer each and every point at length. Am I obligated to answer you one-by-one in a systematic way to meet your demands?
This is why at first I hesitated to reply as I have encountered this negative kind of rebuke from so-called Christians before, who seem to plough the internet looking for doctrinal arguments.
If I bypassed "some" of your points, you equally, if not more, bypassed nearly all of mine with no good Biblical reason, such as ignoring the 7th day Sabbath ("IN THE BOOK"), polygamous and levirate "marriages" ("IN THE BOOK"), observance of the Roman Catholic "Christ-Mass" & "Easter" (NOT "IN THE BOOK"!), YESHUA's Name being covered up (replaced by "Jesus" in the English book), so you also are guilty of ignoring, bypassing and refusing to look to "the book."
I don't know what made my "word salad" UNDIGESTABLE, (or would that be "INDIGESTIBLE"?), unless you have some learning disability like dyslexia, as I didn't write any more a difficult style than the Bible is written in. How do you manage the "word salad" in the length of a book like the Bible? Do you respond to the Author of that very lengthy document in the same derogatory way?
Yeshua spoke of those who had eyes, but did not want to see, and ears but do not want to hear.
Maybe you just don't WANT to read what I have written, but expect me to accept what you write.
I can accept your point that human rights didn't always exist, and that "the book" that promotes Christianity (and Judaism) teaches that all men are equal, notwithstanding the roles that Christian slaves and wives have to play quite subserviently, but all in relation to the Christian doctrine and life. We don't share the same attributes, as you say, which must include sexual attraction.
"Back to the original topic..."
You ask if it's not prejudice to uphold YOUR beliefs, and that it's REASONABLE to DENY marriage to gay people. You say that it is hypocritical (of anyone) to DENY you that RIGHT.
What about the "BELIEFS" of other people? They may wish to extend marriage to gay people.
Or gay people may feel that it is HYPOCRITICAL of some with other "beliefs" than them to DENY them that RIGHT (to marriage). It is all really down to differing belief systems down the ages.
You say, "Why gay people have an interest in marriage is beyond me." I would ask why heterosexual people have an interest in it, if it is only a Biblical thing? 🤔
I know a lot of brides in picking their dress and wedding venue also stink of "me,me.me!"
So that is not an exclusively gay trait (the same with "birth-days") that you seem to attach to them in your assertion.
You say, In the end it is hypocritical to ignore others(') [apostrophe mine] beliefs for one's own gain," which is a two-edged sword, for many Christians will IGNORE the "beliefs" of those who support gay marriage due to "THEIR BELIEF", which would be for THEIR OWN GAIN, in that it promotes their own RELIGIOUS AGENDA. In this they are not allowing any other "belief."
You say, "It's simple. Want to get married choose to avoid sin. That's it."
Maybe you should be writing that to some married people out there, not to me.
I am concerned this will be too long a reply and will not get published by YouTube as a result, as I have attempted to address as "many" of your points as I can, to use your own desription so as to to avoid further ire from you for using the words "a lot." At least "many points" is from you!
I will break my text here and continue my word salad in a following text, not that any of what I write will satisfy your lofty expectations, as so far has been proved by your rejectful tone.
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@philc1773 You make a lot of points to reply to in one text, and due to the fact that I can tire easily as a terminally ill kidney patient post transplant immunosuppressed with Amyloidosis, I don't always relish replying to a complete stranger who will undoubedly reject anything I say in response anyhow, so it is often a meaningless exercise to engage with indocrinated people.
You make many assumptions about my character, calling me a hypocrite and a bigot, that I throw my toys out of the cot and make too much up, while you only can supply 'proper facts'.
I face such judgements a lot from self-righteous Christians who despite their disparaging tone claim to show the love of God, mercy, forgiveness and compassion, which I don't feel very often.
You say about my point about the Bible "Your right people don't read it." Is that MY right, as in YOUR right (to read), or is that " You're right," as in "you are right"? I know that you must be right. 🤔
You say that belief in a higher power is "up to you," but even the devil 'believes' in God, for the Bible says "even the demons BELIEVE and tremble," so is that an example of such core 'belief'?
You state from nowhere, "You haven't read the book either have you!" (Question mark [?] omitted by you, not me.) Actually I have read the Bible many times through over some 40 years in both English and Hebrew, after learning that language fluently living in Israel for over 10 years.
Thus the points of marriage that you claim come solely from the Bible and God also include polygamy (it's in the book!), and levirate marriage, duty to marry your brother's wife if he dies, (it's also in the book! - so copy it). You say if "you live and fail to act in the way of God you forfeit the right to marriage," but many athesists completely reject the idea of God yet they retain that right.
Also adherents to other religions and gods that are not included in your "Christian-only" ethos that you claim comes from "the book" also marry without ever referencing the God of the Bible.
You pronounce that "gay people can have civil partnerships," like you dole out human rights.
People marry because they want to publicly declare a lifelong commitment, whether they are Christian or not, so if the religious component is removed, as it often is, why prohibit gays?
I agree with your points about women being in the home and not at work. Let tthem stay at home. Suits me. You say in regard to putting children first, "Don't like that? Don't have kids."
Well, that's just as population depleting as many claim homosexuality to be. Kidless couples.
The demise of family values is not due to LGBT people, who make up such a small minority of the population, but the demise has been increasing apace for decades already despite LGBT.
There may be successful heterosexual couples in all of this, as you state, but many gay couples are successfully matched and happy, and child abuse can occur even in stable straight families.
You say you're not a bigot, but you are clearly prejudiced against homosexuals and them being allowed to marry in the same way as other citizens, and all because it says it in "the book."
You are now engaging with someone who has read "the book," as you state that, "I simply want them to read the book before they mouth off about things they know so little about!"
You declare, "I didn't make up the rules! They are in the book."
Seeing as you promote obeying "rules" from "the book," you may be able to explain why so many professing Gentile denominational Christians ignore the "rules" about eating unclean animals, which God calls an ABOMINATION 4 TIMES IN 2 VERSES in Leviticus 11:10-12 concerning sewage-imbibing shellfish etc., in the VERY SAME BOOK (LEVITICUS) that Gentile Christians use to quote about homosexuality being an "abomination," yet they ignore God's Word on shellfish?
"I didn't make up the rules! They are in the book."
The same applies in ignoring the Sabbath on the 7th day, on what Gentiles now call "Saturday" in honour of the god Saturn, which directives are VERY CLEAR in the Fourth Commandment.
Also the Passover of the LORD upon which day the crucifixion took place is now replaced by the man-made Roman "Easter," named after the goddess Eostre/Eastre, according to the venerable Bede, despite the words in "the book" stating to REMEMBER the Lord's death "AS OFTEN AS YE DO THIS" (i.e. celebrate Passover on the actual date that He died, on Nisan 14th) and not "do this as often as you like," which is what Gentile denominational Christians do, calling it a "supper" at breakfast time when no one in society would normally be seen drinking wine before pubs open.
Those things are not in the book! He never mentioned His birth or resurrection as "holy days."
Sometimes even denominational Christians mouth off about things they know little about too, to use a term borrowed from yourself, as I so admire your erudition and Christlikeness in speech.
A plank in one's eye can often oscure one's vision. That one's in the book too.
But of course you have read it all and can cite all the "proper facts" and sins from it.
And, as you say so rightly, "everyone can sin," and that "the Bible teaches people to repent (of) their sins in the name of God. Or face the consequences." - Also for eating pork & shellfish!
Most of His followers don't even know His given Name, YESHUA, which means "salvation," as the Gentiles have changed His holy Name into the transmogrified "Jesus" which He would never have heard in His lifetime, and before which EVERY KNEE shall bow, at which time He will say to professing Christians (not those in the 'world') that did many great things "in His name," but He will say, " Depart from Me, I never knew you, you who practise LAW-LESS-NESS" (law-breaking).
Many won't know His Name, or proudly refuse to acknowledge it (Christians on earth now) and cherry-pick from God's laws which ones THEY like to keep, while conveniently ignoring others.
You are right, human beings are fallible, and I don't blame the book. I never have.
But JUDGEMENT BEGINS AT THE HOUSE OF GOD, not in the world, so the Church would be better getting its own house in order before trying to spout off to those in society on morals.
You call me a hypocrite, but I met more hypocrites in the churches than in gay nightclubs. 🙃
That leaves a very distasteful and unconvincing message in any gay person's ear.
Shalom 🌿🕊
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@philc1773 Only Christians read this book for the most part. So that's pretty limiting. They push that book onto others, not God. Israel reads part of that book. They don't agree to differ.
Thousands of differing Christian denominations disagree on how to interpret this book.
Some ignore huge swathes of it concerning the commanded Sabbath, the eating of unclean animals, keeping feasts like Passover now replaced by feasts not found in that book, yet they instruct others what to do, saying, "It"s in the book." Even hypocrites read the same book.
Sexual orientation is as old as the book. Heterosexual sin is as old as the book.
Heterosexual choice to indulge in bigamy, polygamy, incest, voyeurism, paedophilia, bestiality, fornication, divorce, infidelity, group sex, sex toys, anal sex, fellatio, sad-masochism, does not result in stabilty for children. Some gay people end up looking after these damaged children.
Some bisexuals do have biological children, so LGBT preference can be to do with family, marriage and bringing up children. Any human being can bring up a child. That is adoption.
Even Christians are accepted into the faith by the spirit of adoption, crying, "Abba, Father."
Christians do not become children of God via the channel of biological sex, but by adoption.
What do copulating heterosexuals have to do with this?
The answer is nothing.
Marriage desecrates itself by infidelity and selfishness without any influence by gay people.
Thus it fails to be a stable environment for children to grow up and turn into well rounded, intelligent, strong minded, truthful and caring adults. Some even turn out gay.
Despite the book.
The book exists.
Men exist.
Often the twain never meet.
Many professing Christians have never even read this "library of books" in its entirety.
They cherry-pick from this book in order to make pronouncements from it.
They are often judgemental, quick to condemn and discriminatory, as it's in the book.
People have murdered and carried out atrocities in the name of this book.
War and bloodshed have been carried out in the name of this book.
The book is called a sword. The book alters by translation.
Even holy Names are translated so that they become unrecognisable.
The central Figure of this book is thus rendered nameless.
The god of this world has retained "satan" untranslated from Hebrew to English.
This book was translated in 1611 without the letter "J" being in English.
This became named after an English king who was bisexual.
The book was later revised and subsequently included the new letter "J."
The central Figure of this book for the past 400 years has thus been named with a "J."
The brother of the central Figure in this book had an epistle in this book.
He was the first bishop of Jerusalem.
The English translators changed his name to "James" in order to flatter the king. 👑
The king seeing his own name in this book would be more inclined to sponsor it.
Bishop James is properly called Ya'akov or Jacob, but its taken out of the book.
So people add to the book. People subtract from the book. People don't even read the book.
The book condones slavery, polygamy, death by stoning, all carried out by heterosexuals.
What a fabulous idea! It's in the book!
People also read other books.
They espouse less hypocrisy. 🙃
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@corvusglaive4804 Well Christians may shelter any kind of person with the co-aim of converting them to their indocrinated view, so I don't envy the gay person who has ended up under your roof.
I became a Christian 40 years ago and was a Christian missionary in Israel for 10 years.
You didn't know that DID YOU!? 🧐 Life can be multi-faceted and can cover many scenarios.
So I know how Christians operate. I am not bigotted, but I believe in levelling the platform.
I live in a very bigotted country of Northern Ireland so I am no admirer of bigotry as it surrounds me every day, as does homophobia and Christian hypocrisy. Yes, Christians are all sinners, but they don't need to concentrate on only one sin all the time while keeping conveniently quiet about others. Even the Bible doesn't concentrate all its focus on just one particular sin.
I have engaged with many professing Christians and I often find them to be rude and contemptuous. I have engaged with gay people too and found them to be civil individuals.
Now that I am terminally ill with End-Stage Kidney Disease & Amyloidosis I no longer am involved in any church activity, although a local minister phoned me yesterday to ask me to do a Passover demonstration for his congregation based on my 10 years in Israel which included being a Hilton chef and having to learn to read, write and speak Hebrew fluently, but I think this year I will give it a miss. It's kinda more fun with the Jewish community anyhow.
The only contact I have with Christians is on here, where I only seem to see them judging and picking on others in a very condescending, arrogant and condemnatory way, which is why my annoyance can rise too, and sometimes I feel sorry for the underdog rather than with them.
Of course backing underdogs became a regular defence mechanism while living in Israel.
You are right. I should refrain from disingenuous engagement with others in the future, as it is a pretty futile pastime communicating with strangers blindly who often insult and nit-pick.
I similarly do not wish you any ill will, and I am happy to disengage with you. Shalom. 🌿🕊
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@gtaambassador744 No, I am male. I fell asleep due to exhaustion. It can take it out of me to type all these answers, and my carers tell me off. The points are still the same no matter the gender. There is neither male not female in Christ, neither Jew nor Greek. So it doesn't matter necessarily if a Christian is male or female or Jewish or Gentile. It goes deeper than that.
Obviously male and female, and Jews and Gentiles, are still valid distinctions, but not something that should be an issue. Yeshua is a male Jew so we can identify with half of Him.
A Jew can identify with the whole of Him, as they can understand better His language, meaning of His Name and titles, His Semitic familial lineage from Judah, the calendrical timings and "MOADIM" or "Appointed Times" that He observed right until the day He died on the Day of Passover on Nisan 14th, which He asked us to remember ("as often as ye do this," not "as often as you like") which the English translators clumsily render as "seasons" in the book of Genesis.
Gentiles may fully recognise males and females in Messiah, but learn very little about Jews.
This I encountered during my 10 years in Israel when the Sabbath-keeping practices of Messianic Jews were identical to the practices of the pre-Roman Celtic Church of Britain and Ireland who remembered the Lord's death on Passover, not the Roman invention of "Easter," until the Synod of Whitby in 664 when King Oswy of Northumbria, England, was swayed by the wily Roman prelates out of the fear that St Peter would be at the gates of heaven, and the Roman Church venerated Peter as their pope, whereas the Irish Christians took their practices from the Apostle John who wrote the book of Revelation, who founded all the Sabbath-keeping churches across Asia Minor, now parts of Turkey and Greece, before he died at age 110, the last Jewish apostle to die still upholding the Jewish Sabbath-keeping practices of the early Jewish Church, which still met in the Temple (according to the book of Acts) for 40 golden years of the Church until European Gentiles from Rome razed the Temple of the LORD to the ground, after which the Jewish Church retained its primacy in Jerusalem with some 12 successive Jewish bishops after Ya'akov/Jacob the first one, whom the Gentiles renamed "James", over the first 100 years until the European Gentiles from Rome completely razed the Holy City forcing the Jews, including the Church to flee, as Yeshua prophesied, when He told them to pray that their flight would not be on the Sabbath, as that would impede their escape, after which Gentiles became bishops there.
John's churches became known as the "Quartodecimans" as they kept the 14th Nisan instead of the Roman "Easter," which was not ratified until the councils held in the 4th century at Nicea and Laodicea at which no Jews were present to object to these changes, and Passover was viewed negatively from then on as an undesirable and unneccesary "Jewish" observance, even though Yeshua was a Jew and all the apostles, and He instructed to remember His death on it, not on a "day of the week" as the Gentiles do, but on the actual Biblical DATE, ordained by God.
All these changes brought about "Sun"-day, named after the SUN, but not the SON, as a replacement for the Sabbath of the LORD, with the reasoning that it is the resurrection day, but this reckoning comes from a Gentile misunderstanding of Biblical "Appointed Times," by tying their calculations from "Friday," the day preceding the Sabbath day on "Saturday," where it says Yeshua had to be taken down from the cross before the onset of the Sabbath, which began at sunset, as with all Biblical days. However, they fail to appreciate that the Bible calls this Sabbath "an HIGH DAY," (KJV), in other words, not an 'ordinary' Sabbath, but it was in fact an ANNUAL SABBATH, namely the First Day of Unleavened Bread on Nisan 15th, as there were TWO Sabbaths or "rest days" that week, and the latter could fall on ANY day of the week, so not be tied to "Friday," and so the "Friday-to-Sunday" reckoning is from this misunderstanding.
"Friday" or the Sixth Day (YOM SHISHI) is not specified anywhere in the Gospel accounts, only the term "PREPARATION DAY," which precedes either a WEEKLY or an ANNUAL Sabbath, which in this case was an ANNUAL Sabbath, so the calculations do not start from Friday.
Yeshua was put in the tomb JUST BEFORE SUNSET before the onset of the ANNUAL SABBATH. The first visitors came to the tomb very early on the first day of the (working) week after observing the Sabbath ("according to the Commandment") while it was still dark before dawn to find Yeshua was NOT THERE, but had ALREADY RISEN, but no one saw Him rise, so that occurred some time BEFORE that. Yeshua gave the 'sign' of Jonah of 3 days and 3 nights (72 hours) to an unbelieving generation as a prophecy of the exact timing when He would rise from the grave.
The only point that would be 72 hours later JUST BEFORE SUNSET would be not long BEFORE the first visitors appeared at the EMPTY tomb, which would be JUST BEFORE SUNSET on the weekly Sabbath just BEFORE the onset, but NOT ON, the first day of the (working) week, now re-named by Gentiles as "Sun"-day. Thus Yeshua rose from the dead on the SABBATH, not on "Sun"-day as Gentile ecclesiastical tradition and assumption concludes and commemorates, making Him truly Lord of the Sabbath, but not of "Sun"-day, so this Christians do in vain.
Count back 72 hours from this point and you arrive at WEDNESDAY for the crucifixion day, and not Friday at all, not that it matters on which day these things happened, but it is the Gentiles which make a thing of trying to tie these events to a "day of the week" and venerating them on special days which the Scriptures do not inform us to do, rather than heed the actual DATES that we have in the Bible, which do not change or move like the "moveable feast" of "Easter."
So Jews in Christ are essential alongside Gentiles to help keep things in balance, just as having males and females helps keep balance too. But no indocrinated Gentile will listen to this. 🙃
Thus Christians wilfully break the Commandments of God just as much as homosexuals do.
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@DaeFranklin The doctrine you espouse that comes strsight from the Bible, does tell people of other religions they are going to hell for not serving the God of the Bible. If they are not, then they are not part of the Great Commission to preach the Gospel to every creature, which includes hell.
If you think that is EXACTLY what LGBT people are doing and taking away women's rights, when did any LGBT person come up to you and tell you you are going to hell? They don't espouse that.
It's more a case of sour grapes, and "I'm alright Jack, I'm up the ladder," as they don't want to see gay people have the same rights and equal opportunities as they are so accustomed to.
For your information they do NOT have way more rights than the average person, as they are denied many things, are maligned and insulted by arrogant religious Christian bigots, who think they must have a religious monopoly on everything, including on morality and relationships.
No wonder we do disagree however 💛
Your thoughts are pretty alien 👽
Even though you wouldn't know alienation if it hit you in the face.
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@DaeFranklin They ARE victims because they are being SINGLED OUT by heterosexual bigots and blinkered Christians whose world view is about as small as a grape. If you think heterosexuals are "victims," as you suggest, don't forget that they have the whole world with them and don't need to fight for anything, not rights, not recognition, not tying of the knot of their relationsnips, and not even to seek affirmation for desiring to hold their partner's hand or some other simple expression of emotion which they can flaunt in public with impunity all the time.
Maybe if the shoe was on the other foot you might find a shred of empathy or compassion.
You have your rights already, and they aren't being impugned any time soon.
You say you don't see Christians forcing God in schools or in education systems. That is simply because they already have built an indocrinating educational system within the churches called "Sunday School," which the poor kids have little choice in attending, which is pretty systematic to me.
From what I can see from all the street preachers on egotistical YouTube videos shouting through megphones in public places and even disturbing and interrupting civil gatherings and events of non-Christians on this platform, not to mention all the church camps and children's activities, I do think they are in the streets parading God and forcing other people's children to join in. That is a clear Christian practice, and it is practised widely against LGBT people.
"Force" being the same clever entrapment "invitations" that many groups use to invite others.
Homophobic means they are "afraid of gays." They're not. I just use the real term: ANTI-GAY.
Let him without sin cast the first anti-gay stone. Remember how they all walked away?
Why? 🤔
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@gtaambassador744 I think you will find if you join your religion that people will be told what is acceptable in that religion and be expected to imbibe many new concepts "by faith", including many stories from written texts taught and explained every week by a trained teacher aimed at both adults and children in order to change their previous views of the world, humans & God.
If that is not "brainwashing", what is?! How many original thoughts and views are you now allowed to express or uphold since you agreed to embrace the theology of your chosen religion?
So your brain is not even rinsed a little? Or do you have enough of your own personality left to be able to ignore or reject what is being systematically taught to you week by week? Hardly.
Christians may not like to admit it, or find more acceptable terms to describe it, but they are systematically indocrinated, even if it is by choice. And they contend that that religion is good!
They just do not like the fact that other people with free and open minds and lifestyles different to theirs may not accept their potted views and judgements on humanity and the whole of society that they believe they can impose on others, no matter how others may feel about it.
That is why some may view their religion as "bad", as you put it, due to their own "telling people" how to live and whom they can form a life partner with. If gay people have to accept that a man and a woman can marry in order to publicly declare their relationship, then the same acceptance should be available to non-heterosexuals who as human beings wish to similarly express that.
The fact that religious heterosexuals cannot accept that only proves how brainwashed they actually are. Gays can marry. Get over it. Keep your own religious views to yourself.
That way no one will bother you at all or even care what condition your brain is in or how good or bad your religion is. Just keep your nose out of other people's business. Thank you.
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@observersnt I have a lot of postings on here and not sure exactly which one you are orginally referring to for me to re-read it and examine the exact points you are reacting to. I notice that some texts, including some of yours do not show up on the public platform that I can see, so there may be some shadow-banning going on, which makes it difficult to trace every comment, and my immediate memory can fail me considering the amount of immunosuppressants I am on daily that can cause fatigue and it can be challenging to chase up every nuance I have written.
However, I can reply from my overall belief in the subject you are defending so that you don't misunderstand my direction of thought. Firstly, I DO agree with you on the atrocities meted out by Islamists and Muslim governments and leaders over the years and down through the centuries, including the scourge of suicide bombs and attacks that affected daily life when I lived in Jaffa-Tel-Aviv, where it became dangerous to go into crowded places like markets, on buses, and even at religious gatherings on particular Jewish holidays that the Muslims are well aware of, not to forget choosing to attack Israel on the holiest day of the year in the Hebrew calendar, namely Yom Kipppur, or the Day of Atonement, when many soldiers would be off on leave in order to attend synagogue, and thus Israel was at a disadvantage for Arab armies to surprise attack, and indeed Israel nearly lost that war in 1973 if it were not for the biggest tank battle in history eventually regaining control, even pushing the Syrians back as far as Damascus, with Israel taking the Golan Heights in the process, and wresting control of the eastern shore of the Sea of Galilee where previously the Syrian president used to dip his feet in the Galilee water.
This secured safety for the Israeli kibbutzim in the Galilee that had previously sustained regular shelling from Syria along with Arab snipers raiding Israeli kibbutzim (collective communities) and moshavim (community farms) killing children and anyone else they could.
So I understand the aims and threats of Islam and Muslim extremism, as I lived among it for many years, and as a result had my own gas mask and sealed room in my Tel-Aviv apartment just like any Israeli Jew would have in order to protect from surprise attacks from the likes of Scud missiles and poison gas from Saddam Hussein in Iraq back then, and much of Tel-Aviv was shelled, and I often hunkered down in public underground bunkers, including under the Hilton Hotel where I worked as a chef in north Tel-Aviv, even after the British Embassy ordered all British nationals out of the country except for essential skeleton staff in embassies and consulates and high-end business management, yet I chose to stay and live among the Jews during this spectre of Islamic terror, so I am not in support in any way of what Islam stands for religiously or politically, which is often interlinked anyhow. Nonetheless, I befriended individual Arabs, both Muslim and Christian, as well as with Israeli Jews, and I was often surprised at how well they could get on with each other, despite the horrors and atrocities, and the differences that divided them, and so I do not judge Muslim people who live under the yoke of Islam who are as human as you or I, but are really enslaved in a brainwashing religious system with barbaric beliefs.
However, my love affair with Christianity is by no means perfect either, and I guess at age 57 after nine years of chronic illness and much mistreatment by self-righteous Christians over the years, I do find myself very disinclined towards them, even if the kernel of their message is true in spiritual terms, and they are by no means as barbaric as Islamic torturers or extremists, but nonetheless Christian history is not devoid of cruel persecution, pogroms, murder, rape and even clerical paedophilia all under the dark cloak of Christianity, not of Islam or even Judaism.
The Jews view the Holocaust in enlightened Europe as a Christian thing, as it was not carried out by Muslims, and Adolf Hitler was quoted as saying he was doing the Lord a favour by exterminating the Jews. That theology originated in the Church stemming way back to the first vitriolic anti-Jewish sermons and teachings by the early Church Fathers, such as St John Chrysostom, who was called the "golden mouthed," yet he spewed out anti-Semitic vitriol more than any Arab (although Arabs are Semitic too!), which seeped into Church theology and Christian perception of Jews as evil etc for having killed Christ, and so they were persecuted wherever they lived in the Christian lands, and fared less well among the Christians than they did living among the Muslims in Arabia, with Spain expelling all Jews in 1496 (not sure of date?), and England expelling them under Edward I in 1290, the first European country to do so, as he did not want to pay them back the money he had borrowed to build so many royal palaces.
Nit-picking Christians may be more tolerable in your view because you are a Gentile Christian (I presume by your defence), but if you were a Jew I can assure you that you would be ultimately safer living among the Muslims than living among the Christ-loving Christians who meted out much hatred and murderous plots against the earthly kinfolk of the Saviour with impunity.
I know there are some "nice" Christians too, but by and large they are a venomous lot.
One can only write that from experience. Jews with Holocaust tattoos do think the same.
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@observersnt Calm down. I am well aware of the Christian antipathy of Islam and vice versa, a position that is irreconcilable, as they both claim the same supercedence, dominance, unique path to God, ambition to convert the world, truth of their religion and both display the clear human hypocrisy by many of their adherents. I may be ignorant, but I have lived among Moslems & Jews alike for a decade of my life in the Middle East in the 1990's during some heady times.
They are generally less argumentative and more palatable to converse with than the majority of Gentile denominational Christians no matter how "right" their doctrinal position claims to be.
You find no comparison with Muslims, in the same way as Semitic Arabs vehemently find no comparison with their cousins the Jews, yet I could spot many similarities they would deny.
Islam is totally different as a religion to Christianity, although the Koran has adopted some tenets from both Judaism and Christianity, but as with Roman Catholicism has added much on top. They may differ in how they wish to convert, but they both aim to convert as the "true faith".
That both reject the claims of the other is just more proof than in some ways they are alike.
Some Islamic authorities may discriminate in the way they treat non-Muslims, as with Jizyah and being a Dhimmi, but even authorities and individuals within the churches discriminate against non-Christians, such as Muslims & Jews, by showing disdain for their religion and by expressing in the strongest of terms that there is no comparison between Christians & them, none at all. Such an attitude will still diminish a person's religion and culture more than any tax.
I am no fan of Islam, but humanly speaking I am no fan of nit-picking arrogant Christians either.
They can both argue it out who is right without any further displays of ignorance from myself.
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@youtubesucks8995 Yes, it is odd, but these independent Pentecostal Word of Faith type of churches do exist and influence people. I came across leaders from such a church who were working as drop-in volunteers in the local YMCA in my home town whose aim it was to seek out young teenage converts there to join their church, one of which I was at the tender age of 15.
Needless to say, I eventually bought some of the records back, as they weren't "heavy metal" or anything, but more tame pop stuff, like ABBA, Boney M, etc., and last year I went to London to the new ABBA concerts in London and met Benny from the group on the gala Opening Night. (!)
I later worked as a missionary for the Church of England in Israel but lost that job for moral reasons. Thus I'm a kind of island now, not really belonging anywhere, especially after being kicked out of another independent congregation who asked me to come and speak about Israel, and some gossipping and labelling there resulted in me being expelled, even though it wasn't even true their suspicions of me. So it's not only YouTube that bans people, though I hate that too. There is no more free speech on such a platform, and I would share some of your views.
I am a terminally ill kidney patient with Amyloidosis post-transplant, and therefore immunosuppressed, and the pressure on me to get vaccinated was huge, but I resisted.
Now, my healthy friends who did get vaccinated are all sick with blood clots & regular colds.
Of course there's nowhere one can share these things, and this may not even get published.
They "shadow-ban" which mean you see your own posts, but the public don't. Pretty sneaky.
You are right about the mainstream media channels and even I have been misrepresented by them when I was interviewed over homosexuality and the church and I lost friends as a result.
So, yes, some people may become more fragile as life batters them about and often comments on such platforms as YouTube can have a really negative effect, even from professing Christians, who will fight to the bitter end over some point of doctrine while trampling someone's spirit into the ground. They may even be "right," but they often lack the compassion that Yeshua had.
"A bruised reed He will not break, and a smoking flax He will not quench." God has mercy.
I first came onto YouTube to pass the time during nine years of chemotherapy and kidney dialysis, as I could no longer work as a Hilton chef and I needed some hobby or recreation.
However, I had to change my user name from my actual name to a life-long hobby of mine (growing plants) as I felt very unsafe after some of the comments from some Christian folk.
Perhaps I shouldn't be on the internet, but I am not that fragile that I didn't overcome five years of gruelling double-strength chemotherapy and blood-draining dialysis that I wouldn't wish on anyone, and I have endured many eye-watering painful medical procedures along the way.
In that sense one finds an inner strength, even if the outer body is frail, but mental fragility is worse still. I have not garnered hope through Christians, but I maintain an inner faith in God.
Shalom 🌿🕊
Anyhow, I need to be careful as I have been chided before for writing too long a reply.
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@youtubesucks8995 Have you tried to change your sexual attraction yourself, seeing as you recommend it and it's not the end of the world? Yeshua never had a girlfriend or wife, as the perfect Example for human beings (as there will be no marriage in heaven), yet He was tempted in ALL ways, such as we are, yet without sin. So technically He could empathise more with those with same-sex attraction more than all the heterosexual-only Christians ever could, as I guess the devil would have thrown EVERYTHING at Him in order to tempt Him, but He was too holy.
I don't think many gay people force heterosexuals to change, as you mention, but I do know in churches that there is pressure for homosexuals to change, as you point out, "to suit God".
The only problem, if you reseach it in any detail, the success rate for any 'change' is minimal.
I didn't have "the sexual bit" pushed on to me, or even explained to me at all in the all-boys school I went to, so I guess I didn't have a clue about sexuality, which didn't help my orientation either! 🤯
Kids are impressionable at those young ages, which is why so many churches advocate "Sunday Schools" to teach doctrine at the earliest age in order to influence them, while it seems that explaining about sexuality is not on.
I do not understand trans issues either, and I feel too many kids are getting caught up in that far too early, but the over-bearing heterosexuality preaching is also a very unpleasant thing. 🙃
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@nuncaolvidare4895 🇮🇪 is not just across the water from me, but just across the border, a few miles away. I knew something of Islam and Muslims after living in Israel for 10 years in the 1990's when suicide bombing was at its height in Israeli towns and cities, on buses and in markets and pizza restaurants, so their theology was pretty clear to me, even back then.
I cannot speak politically for 🇮🇪 as I don't live there, but I have witnessed atrocities in the six counties on the same island where I live on both sides of the community, as I did too in Israel.
My next door neighbour, father of six children was shot dead when I was still a boy, and I witnessed at close range 22 teenagers being blown to smithereens in the queue to a venue on Tel-Aviv seafront by an Islamic suicide bomber, after which the rabbis picked up the body parts and organs and placed them respectfully in black bin bags, whilst the BBC interviewed the bomber's family in their grief! People do get brutalised, as you say, and even young people.
I did notice that with Jews & Arabs and with Protestants & Catholics in both countries that in one small community, the LGBT one, that there seemed to be a common and friendly unity.
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@garethmccartan3636 Unfortunately I DO understand what Christianity actually is after over 40 years being tangled up in it, where I was constantly pressured to change my sexuality to match the doctrine, with my aunt even advocating deliverance from demon possession, which many Christians actively believe. The result when one cannot meet these lofty ideals that are being presented to you is that you end up being marginalised, shunned amd rejected within most family-focussed congregations. It's not so much believing the doctrine of grace and salvation, which I have no problem with, but that in reality that paradigm may not totally fit some people.
The indocrination feeling comes from trying to change your own inner convictions and feelings in order to fit into the belief around you, even though some churches present things more sympathetically, but when the rubber meets the road you gotta knuckle down to their ways.
Gambling must be a terrible thing, so I sympathise with your story and glad that Christianity has worked for you. That is good. But I find the area of attraction and emotion harder to erase.
No amount of prayers or counselling helps, although some claim that it does. In the end you are left to draw your own conclusions that some people will never fit into that tidy concept called church. When you get kicked out of a congregation & lose a church job you know it's not for you.
The free will you describe from God the Father still has some parameters which is control.
Understanding what Christianity is, and realising it as a viable option for all areas of one's life are two different things. At the end of the day it only offers a lonely existence of celibacy. 🙃
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@delawarr I hardly think so. You are so skeptical and judgemental of his character. Boris took the position, as he did previously as Mayor of London, to serve the British people. 🇬🇧
It's just a pity that people are so ungrateful and bent on incessant scrutiny that no one would survive if they were a political leader, and most of it fuelled by a one-sided inflamatory media who are happy to fan the flames of discontent rather than looking at some of Boris's achievements.
It's nothing to do with being adult. Children can spot lies too, and then often lie too afterwards.
The quotation is a leveller in that all people have told a lie at some time, otherwise they are a liar!
The job position is irrelevant. The British public have lied as much as Boris ever has (and he still protests innocence, but the LYING scathing, unforgiving British public don't believe him). 🙃
The Bible upon which Parliament forced Boris to swear by contains a judgement for EVERYONE, without exception, in the book of Revelation, where it says that ALL LIARS, from the highest to the lowest, will be cast into the lake of fire as a punishment! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 That includes all parents, teachers and Christian clergy who LIE repeatedly, wilfully and unrepentedly year in, year out, to innocent children about Santa Claus and his flying reindeer. 🎅 🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌 🤯 🔥🔥🔥
You only have to lie once to be a liar, and the vilification of Boris Johnson is off the scale.
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@PaddyDoesasia-bj3bb Why would I make something up? I wouldn't mention it if I hadn't heard it.
Who said that I was British? Daniel O'Donnell's sister Margo from Donegal (in "the North") sings a song called Green White And Gold, with the chorus line: "And when I die, take me where the shamrocks grow, and bury me beneath the GREEN, WHITE AND GOLD." (You insist they say only orange.)
Even the old Irish Republican songs, such as Take It Down From The Mast, has the refrain:
" 'Tis we and no other can claim it,
For today joined as one we stand, bold;
To fight England combined with Free Staters,
In defence of the GREEN, WHITE AND GOLD."
Another similar folk ditty entitled Give Me The Irish Republican Army similarly entails:
"Give me the Irish Republican Army,
Give me GREEN, WHITE AND GOLD every time;
Give me the three-leafed shamrock of Ireland,
A land I love that is so divine."
Also in the Irish song The Dying Rebel is found the refrain:
"My only son was shot in Dublin,
Fighting for his country bold;
He fought for Ireland and Ireland's glory,
The harp and shamrock, GREEN, WHITE AND GOLD."
Even in football songs you will hear sung the words:
"And it's Celtic, Celtic in the GREEN, WHITE AND GOLD;
Oh, Celtic, oh Celtic, you'll no walk alone..."
Am I making it up? I wouldn't even attempt to claim to know more about Ireland and the Irish people than the Irish people do, but maybe where I live the Irish songs are sung more patriotically and markedly than elsewhere which is why I would be familiar with many of them.
If making a point over something I heard with my own ears is pathetic, then the songwriters need to change their lyrics to orange so that I won't be attacked and insulted by a jittery Irish.
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Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother were Queen Consort, as was Queen Alexandra, wife of Edward VII during the 20th century, but they were all addressed as "Queen," and called "Her Majesty," not in normal usage as "Queen Consort," although that was what they were, and it is no different with Camilla. She is Queen Consort, but still gets called "Queen" & "Majesty."
The only difference being written into the narrative here by objectors is based on views concerning Diana and the fact that Camilla (and Charles) are divorced and remarried.
It is personal rejectionism against the person of Camilla that breaks that royal tradition by trying to present to the world Queen Consort as something twisted into being something "un-royal," and of lesser status than it normally has been held so that it appears as something distant & cold.
The historic record record, however, shows no contradiction in being a consort and being called "Queen." One can show hosility if one wants, but one cannot change convention in this one case.
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@stephfoxwell4620 Well, what would you have done if you were responsible for the health of the nation during an outbreak of an unknown killer virus? What would you have done more perfectly, tell me? If he had have let everyone wander the hospital wards freely and the virus spread more he would still face criticism! He's damned if he does and he's damned if he doesn't.
It was the virus that killed people, not Boris Johnson. Some logistics are easy to criticise with "perfect" hindsight, but the nation forgets that the PM nearly died himself in intensive care.
Boris has become a scapegoat for everyone's grievances, anger and personal grief.
I am a terminally ill kidney patient with Amyloidosis, and I was hospitalised three times with covid due to my poor immunity on chemo etc., and the medical staff would not allow me any visitors. I had to wave from my hospital window. However, if visitors were allowed I may not have survived at all, as I had to be surrounded by plastic in an isolation ward. I didn't blame Boris.
The insistence of my family and friends to see me would have killed me and worn me out.
What happened to your father is indeed a tragedy, and both Boris and I could have died too.
But to call a man just because he was in responsible office a "vile little man" and a "sworn enemy" is a very embittered stance to take. If you were PM would you have saved all lives?
Some are being very unfair towards Boris, and hatred and bitterness will not help anything.
No matter who was PM the people would still be looking for someone to blame.
I think the people should be left to figure it out for themselves and sort out their own problems with their own decisions and then there will be no one to blame but their own ungrateful selves.
It is a thankless task being a British Prime Minister. It is a poisoned chalice whatever they do.
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@lorrygeewhizzbang9521 I know Northern Ireland isn't the same as Israel as I lived in both of them, and there is antagonism about them both too. The flag of Israel is not actually a flag either, but an ensign, and is the symbol of the Jewish prayer shawl or tallit, by the two blue bands and white background, and the so-called "Star of David" (by non-Jews) is called the Magen David, which means "Shield of David" in Hebrew, just like the Ulster coat of arms is shield shape.
Both Ireland and Israel had kingdoms in their ancient past as most nations had kings in times long ago, which would have geographically included the north of Ireland without the borders.
The Northern Irish flag that you mentioned is the only flag in the world apart from Israel to have the six-pointed star in their middle, which is another difference from the Ulster Coat of Arms.
In my experience, flags always caused tensions. Northern Ireland is a kingdom today under King Charles III, although if you're from Ireland you will have your own opinions about what that means I guess. All I know is I can't help into what I was born into, despite all the bitternesses.
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@NicolaRoberts-x3v So why did He keep the Jewish Feast of Passover from the age of 12 making the pilgrim journey with His parents and even dying on that Jewish Feast Day after having a Jewish Passover Meal with His Jewish disciples, and keeping the Feast of Tabernacles (the Great Feast) and the Jewish Festival of Hanukkah, the Feast of Dedication in the winter as described in the Gospel of John (Yochanan)? Hardly ignoring the Jewish faith by doing all that.
Go by the facts that is actually written in the Scriptures rather than your own assumptions which can be biased by anti-Jewish sentiment, discrimination and Christian resentment. 🙃
The Jews practised love and forgiveness too if you read the Commandments of the LORD. 🕎
Who said I have a claim over "Jesus", as you re-name Him? 🤔 Yeshua, as His Father named Him through the Angel of the LORD, meaning "salvation", died for all of sinful humanity and Gentiles are no better than Jews, for the Gentiles clearly hammered the nails into His hands and feet. 😒
At least they can claim that, just as they blame every Jew alive today for what happened 2,000 years ago. What is wrong with being Jewish by faith? Yeshua is a Jew & God is the God of Israel. ✡
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@thePhatCows And if you read the Bible it does contain prophecies that the Jews will return to their land after their long and bitter exile before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, which even billions of Christians believe in and await, but also that all surrounding nations will attack them resulting in Divine intervention destroying Israel's enemies at the Battle of Armageddon.
You don't have to believe it or read it, but it is unfolding right before our very eyes and there is nothing that you can do about it. Even the Jews can't stop it. This is their ultimate destiny. 🕎
And when will God punish the Church for their sins committed over 2,000 years so glaringly seing that you cite punishment from God for sins on more that one occasion as the reason to delegitmise and spiritually demote those guilty of all such? They are the Elect of God after all, if your read the New Testament and listen to Church doctrine, and that word "Elect" is the very same word ("BECHOR" in Hebrew) that gets rendered by translators into English in Bibles as "chosen." If the Church too is spiritually "chosen" then they too must forfeit all for their sins.
"There is no group of people who are immune to moral judgement by God", and that includes the Gentile (non-Jewish) Church. Furthermore, for your own admonishment from the Scriptures, and the Messiah born in the Land of Israel: "For with what measure ye do judge others, the same measure will be measured unto you" and "take the plank of wood out of your own eye before you try to take out the speck of sawdust in another's" "for there is none righteous, no not one" "for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God" and "let him without sin cast the first stone."
If you are more righteous that ancient Israel then I will listen to your gloating of God's judgement of them (but not without promise and eventual restoration physically and spiritually).
And if the Christian nations that murdered 6 million Jews and persecuted many more down through the centuries because of anti-Jewish interpretation of the Scriptures, such as you promulgate, did not commit such atroctities, often in the name and cause of Christ, then you can condemn the Jews in the land of Israel today for the perceived crime of defending themselves (again) from bitter Jew-hating enemies. "He who keepeth Israel will neither slumber nor sleep."
It will be the Jew Jesus Christ who ultimately will usher in world peace, not an Apartheid racist Arab-only Jew-free caliphate of Palestine, named after the non-Semitic Philistines, who dwelt only in the narrow coastal strip where Gaza is today, never the whole land of Israel that later became Israel and Judea ("Jew-dea" now re-named "West Bank"), with their capital in Jerusalem on top of Mount Zion re-named in Arabic as Al Quds (which would make them as Zionist as anything levelled at the Jews). Yeshua is coming back for His own people as prophesied in Scripture, not to the Muslim Arabs, even though this event will bring peace to all nations.
Except the nations who have opposed Israel of course, and all anti-Jewish hateful individuals.
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