Comments by "Rousseau" (@rousseau327) on "Auto Express"
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João Soares Your example is terrible. Tell me why they would cancel it if all Porsche had was a Cayenne Diesel. Isn't it because it's an SUV, it rides inches upon inches higher than the F-Type, it weighs significantly more than the F-Type, it has less than half the power, it's performance figures are entirely off from the F-Type, it seats five comfortably, it has a huge trunk, lots of storage space and MORE. In other words, it's a different class of vehicle. In the case of the C4S? The ONLY difference is the 2+2 seating (which all 911s other than GTxs have), and the AWD. You really think they'll turn down the offer because of such a difference? Especially seeing as the Jag has significantly better performance figures, it'd be logical to think that a C4S wouldn't be too far off. Of course, they knew this is still not a completely fair comparison, so they took the liberty to tell you that a C2S is available.
And honestly, did you expect the Jag to fare any better against a C2S?
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Most performance for money? Not really, the ZR1 has been posting better real performance figures for ages. Admittedly the ZR1 cost more than the early R35s, so I'll give this one to you. Most usability for everyday and track-driving? Nope, a 911 Turbo does it better. Highest speed through any corner? Nope, ZR1, Viper TA, 991 GT3, Aventador, GT2 RS, need I go on? Fits 4 People? Doesn't mean anything, a Jeep Wrangler can fit 4 people. Is the fastest car for almost everybody because of hightech? Nope, 458 Italia and 991 both have tech that can make your average driver go fast. And guess what? You don't feel the tech in those cars, you just go.
A "best" car is a car that car do the most things, surprise surprise, the best. In your list, the GT-R only has 1 of them down, and barely at that. The GT-R may be the best at one thing, but it is not the best car.
It was surprising, because Nissan was able to create a car that can roll with the exotic supercars, at well under 100k. Just because a manufacturer made brilliant cars in the past, does NOT mean they'll continue to make them in the future.
And Porsche keeps adding power? Give me a break, the 991 GT3 has 475 hp, and it is arguably the best and fastest driver's car in a class of cars filled with 500+ to 600+ vehicles. Hop off the Nurburgring, and I'd honestly love to see a GT-R pull away from a GT3.
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Kaisuke971 Yes, because the two tires have crucial, FUNDAMENTAL differences such as a v6 vs. V10, RWD vs. AWD, ~100hp, VASTLY differently aerodynamics...that was the most, fucking, stupid analogy I have ever read. Get over yourself, the GTR is great, but its fucking generations old by now. It's not a shame to lose to a brand new GT3 that can lap at the pace of a 12C. It's only a shame that fanboys like you, whether you admit to it or not, keep blaming the TIRES for a 2 second difference in the wet, when both tires are semi-slicks.
To sum it up, you only managed to grasp onto one thing: Two different interpretations from 2 companies. You failed to see that the fundamental differences between your analogy is vastly different. The Viper ACR and the Nismo serve the same purpose but are in nearly different performance categories on the track, the Pirelli and Michelins semi-slicks are VERY close competitors.
In any case, I'm done arguing with someone who insists a different, yet equally good, set of semi-slicks is what made the car with a ~100hp deficit and RWD disadvantage 2 seconds faster in the rain.
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Kaisuke971 1. Nissan invests and seriously relies and Ring times to market their vehicles. You only need to refer to them marketing their Nismo lap record, with non-street legal components to see this. In addition to cross referencing its lap times with the ZR1 and other similarly quick cars on the Ring, with their lap times outside the Ring. No one who has been around takes the GTR's Ring time without a grain of salt.
2. I AM NOT SAYING THE TIRES DONT MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Jesus fucking christ. Remember back when I said they were SIMILAR and NOT the SAME? Michelin is definitely by far better than Dunlop, but you're going sit their with a straight face and tell me that's what made a TWO SECOND difference on a roughly 1.5 minutes track, in the RAIN, between the GTR and a GT3? A RWD v.s AWD car? A car that laps the Ring, supposedly, 7 seconds quicker than the GT3? THAT'S WHAT IM GETTING AT. All you people are making the tire out to be the sole reason why the GT3 won, when anyone with half a brain will tell you two similar tires, whether it's from Dunlop, Michelin, Pirelli, what have you, on two supercars do not make up for that lap time difference with the conditions as they are.
Stop arguing that the tires are not the same, because we already established that from the first comment.
3. The ACR can keep pace on the track with the likes of the 918 and P1 under the correct driver, and can sometimes even beat those hypercars. Until you can find me a Nismo that is street legal and not tuned by Nissan that can do the same, then the ACR is on a different playing field than the Nismo.
4. The 918 beat the P1 on various tracks when the P1 is lighter, has more power, and had on Trofeo Rs, in the P1's track mode. Not saying tires are insignificant, but there are so many factors than make the 918 quick: AWD, Rear wheel steering are two that come to mind.
Expand your sights a little. The world more than just tires and whether or not one company is better at it than another.
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