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Nope - the newer trends are for Islam to collapse. The Islamic world is in crisis today. Access to the internet, to Islamic scriptures translated into local languages, questions about the authenticity of the traditional Islamic origin narrative, plus a rise in critical thinking by those who are born into Muslim families, is seeing a growing trend for apostasy from Islam. Birth rates are slowing down in Muslim countries, and one in four Muslims who move to a non-Muslim country loses his faith.
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@PokemonDude880 : Can you link one or two of his videos so I can have a look? I am very interested to see what facts he bases his findings upon. It's difficult to get accurate statistics for #apostasy from islam because the punishment from families, communities, and governments can be extremely harsh, unlike apostasy from other faiths.
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@PokemonDude880 : Many thanks for that playlist but it's about the "preservation of the Quran" narrative, and not about people leaving Islam. Statistics on #apostasy come from surveys within the Muslim world, and also from Imams raising concerns about the growing numbers of Muslims leaving the faith. The following articles give an idea of the figures but they may be underestimated due to ex-Muslims being afraid to speak out: = Arab Barometer interviewed 25,000 Muslims in 2018-19, discussed in this BBC article... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48703377 = Gamaan surveyed 50,000 Iranians in 2020, discussed in The Conversation article... https://theconversation.com/irans-secular-shift-new-survey-reveals-huge-changes-in-religious-beliefs-145253 = Pew Research studies from 2017-18 show that 23-24% of Muslims in the west leave Islam. Though a similar number of people in the west convert to Islam, it is estimated by Imams in the US that only three out of ten of these converts remain Muslim after three years... https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/26/the-share-of-americans-who-leave-islam-is-offset-by-those-who-become-muslim/ Along with the above trends, birth rates in the Islamic world are declining, and there is an increase in information and critical thinking due to use of the internet. Therefore I think it's possible that Islam might one day collapse.
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@PokemonDude880 : Not sure why you posted this question twice? I don't think the "broken narrative theory" is a big issue for a lot of Muslims, however a young Turkish man told me in Istanbul last November that if he finds out the Quran has NOT been perfectly preserved, he will have to leave Islam. That surprised me a lot.
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@PokemonDude880 : Not sure why you posted this question twice as I answered this already. Statistics come from within the Muslim world. The rate of Muslims leaving Islam is very concerning for Islam's leaders.
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Boxer Foxer : Yes there are many people in 'western' countries who do convert to Islam, but it is estimated by Imams in the US that *only around 30% of them remain Muslim after three years*. The rest just fade away and are never seen again in the mosque. Christianity might be decreasing in some areas of the world, but it seems to be growing quite rapidly in Asia and Africa. Here is an interesting video by Reasoned Answers on whether Islam is the world's fastest growing religion... https://youtu.be/TlduoSqkgV4 . It seems that access to the internet and an increase in critical thinking, together with the publicity given to Islam by jihadi groups such as Islamic State, Boko Haram, Taliban, Al Shabab, etc. are damaging Islam and causing many Muslims to commit apostasy these days.
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Boxer Foxer : No I realise that, and nor does a Christian have to go to church. But if a new convert attends Jummah prayers for a few years and then just stops going, with no discussion of moving to another area or to a different mosque, it's pretty clear that they have lost their faith. However, to admit apostasy to the Muslim community could be very dangerous for him, so he just keeps quiet. If you watch that video you will see the Imams and Sheikhs talking about the growing trend for Muslims to leave Islam.
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@PokemonDude880 : I only mentioned mosque attendance because Imams in the US say that new western converts drop out of Islam at the rate of 70% after three years, and they can measure this by them no longer attending Jummah prayers. This discussion is more about the growth of Islam around the world. The latest research that I can find shows that there is a *growing trend for people to leave Islam*. Do you have research to show something different? Or maybe England is going against this trend?
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@PokemonDude880 : OK thanks.
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Wishful thinking. Sorry. It won’t happen.
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@shaikmohammedmansoor : But there are many contradictions, abrogations and errors in the Qur'an! And Islam is not compatible with the human rights that we practice in the developed world today. Do you really think it's good that girls can be married off before they menstruate, that a 50+ year old man should have sex with a nine year old prepubescent girl? [https://quran.com/65/4] Muhammed seems to have been getting revelations from some dark entity in the non-physical realm that wanted humanity to be divided between Believers and non-Believers, rather than united in peace and love. It's not helpful for our progress.
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@emadalyahmed : I agree. It seems that President Kais Saied wasn't exactly easy to work with either. And then it gave him a clear path to bring down the government. I hope I'm wrong though, and that he calls for new elections or reinstates parliament with different people very soon.
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@seekeroftheuniverse2657 : It's called a 'palace coup' when it comes from within the government and not from outside, as it is did in President Sisi's case.
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@seekeroftheuniverse2657 : We won't know if it's a coup until the 30 day period is up. What happens after that will show if President Saied is taking complete power, or not. And I'm not against coups. Maybe that would be the best thing to happen?
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