Comments by "Sandy Tatham" (@sandytatham3592) on "US Presidential candidate challenges US support for Israel" video.

Except she's not speaking the truth. Israel has more legitimacy than most countries. The Jews are the #indigenous people of the Holy Land and they were granted the right to reconstitute their ancestral homeland after the Ottoman Empire was DEFEATED in war in 1918. From the same collapse of the Ottoman Caliphate, the countries of Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey were all founded. Are they illegal? Gaza is blockaded by not just Israel but Egypt, because its government is a terrorist entity backed by Iran who work through proxies. The land of Judea and Samaria (formerly called the West Bank of Jordan) is 'disputed' territory. You can't 'occupy' land which doesn't belong to another country. Settlements are on areas designated for Israel by the Oslo Accords pending the Palestinian Authority upholding their agreement to begin a peace process, which has never happened.
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Israel is an #IndigenousRights success story. After the defeat of the Ottoman Caliphate in 1918, the Arabs were granted self-determination over 99% of the Middle East land that the Allied Powers were victorious over. The Jewish people were acknowledged by the League of Nations in 1920 as the #indigenous people of historic Palestine and they have reconstituted their ancestral homeland. Israel is thriving, and 21% of Israel's citizens are Arabs!!! But you want more land for the Arabs? That's immoral...🙄
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She's ridiculous. Mossad wouldn't bother with her.
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@wikalein : Egypt's official name is "The ARAB Republic of Egypt". It's a member of The ARAB League. Of course I know that the Egyptians are mostly Copts who were invaded by Arabs who then imposed the Arab culture, language, and religion of Islam upon them. The Moroccans are mostly #indigenous Amazigh (Berbers) who were invaded and colonised. They have an Arab King from the 'Alawi dynasty, supposedly descended from the prophet Mohammed. Thankfully many of these people are now waking up to the fact that they've been invaded and colonised and they should throw off the Arab culture and religion. None of this has any bearing on my original comment because they are collectively known as Arabs.
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 @jozefgrunmann7998 : Not only do they believe they need Israel's land but they want it free of any Jews.
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@s.k.9110 : I agree that it's up to the people themselves to choose what identity matters most to them, ie. their inherited biological ethnicity or the one imposed on them. Most Egyptian citizens are clearly not of Arab ethnicity, and some are even shocked when I suggest this to them. The important thing is for people to be free to choose, and that governments provide platforms for them to use their own language and customs where it suits them. Only about 3% of Australians are Aborigines and in the recent decades there have been strong moves to promote their culture and language, and yet also allow them to use the imposed English language and culture if it suits them going forward. My Moroccan friends were NOT permitted in the past to use their own language in any official capacity, even as names for their children. They had to use Arabic instead. And we all know that it's almost impossible to become an apostate from Islam, to throw off the ideology that was imposed upon them centuries before. To freely choose another religion, or no religion, often comes with very heavy penalties. So I'm not surprised that you are fine with what was imposed upon you...#StockholmSyndrome.
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@AzizHassini-du7ow : I don't see how #StockholmSyndrome could apply to the Jews TODAY? They have far more choices than anyone born into Islam. Being a Jew is both an ethnicity and a religion so they have the freedom to express themselves however they want and live where they want, except in Muslim countries where they've been almost totally expelled from. During WWII the Jews were ACTUAL prisoners in ghettos in Europe, and before that the Muslim countries also put the Jews in ghettos as second-class citizens. So back in history, they might accepted their plight of subjugation and suffered Stockholm Syndrome... but today they all have freedom. Anyone who objects to the Jewish people reconstituting their ancestral homeland has to remember that they were granted the right to their country after the Germans/Ottomans were DEFEATED by the Allied Powers in 1918. Wars have consequences. Israel has religious and strategic value to Britain, France, and other countries which follow Judeo-Christian values, so the majority of Christians and people from the West are happy that the Jewish people are back as caretakers of the Holy Land. Just because the pro-Muslim and pro-Palestine voice is fairly loud in the social media space, it doesn't mean it will achieve anything. Israel is here to stay and the two-state solution was dead in the water long ago.
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@s.k.9110 : So you are a direct descendant of the *Arab invaders*? Then your perspective makes sense, and it would be pretty normal that there was some inter-breeding with Amazigh people along the way because of sex slavery and other forms of coercion and subjugation. As for apostates, what's the problem in speaking critically about the ideology that you don't like? That's how human civilisations advance. I've never heard of an apostate from Islam being violent other than in self-defence, but no doubt you have more experience with this than me. Insulting something is subjective. What an apostate feels is a legitimate criticism, for example the horrible rights for women and girls in Islam (polygamy, child marriage, guardianship, a husband permitted to beat his wife, no 'consent' for sex in marriage, no equality in divorce), might hurt the feelings of a Muslim man but that doesn't mean an apostate should keep quiet about it. But we all know that Muslim cultures don't permit freedom of speech or freedom of conscience.
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@AzaadAlly : Mary the mother of Jesus lived 2000 years ago when most Jewish people, men and women, dressed conservatively. It's very different today now that humanity has evolved in consciousness. Christian females are not taught to cover their hair, unless they take up religious vows and become nuns, or when they are attending worship services in an Orthodox or Catholic Church. For the vast majority of Christian females it's a choice to cover the hair or not. Whereas in Islam there are strict sharia laws for how a female behaves and how she is permitted to dress. Christians are encouraged to critically examine everything, including religions and so-called sacred beliefs. There's also no racism in the teachings of Jesus so what on earth are you talking about here? Jesus didn't own slaves like Muhammed did. He was compassionate to all people and he was sacrificed for the sins of humanity. Muhammed is said to have traded multiple black-skinned slaves to get a white slave. He also had slaves that he had sex with, as well as having multiple wives who were not permitted to remarry after he died. This is all well-documented in the Islamic texts of the Qur'an, the Tafsirs, Hadiths, and the Sira of Muhammed. It seems rather odd to me that Muslims still accept this barbaric behaviour in the 21st century. Finally, where is democracy in Islam? Democracy is a Christian principle of government that doesn't exist in Islam. Islam is authoritarian, with top-down rule, and it has laws for all aspects of life. And there's no freedom of speech, or freedom of conscience or religion in Islam due to the enforcement of blasphemy and apostasy laws. Islam is about submission to the will of the 'god' of Islam. There will be no peace for Muslims until ALL humanity has either submitted to Allah or have been subjugated (brought low, humiliated, made to live as lower-class dhimmis) to the rule of the Muslims.
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@s.k.9110 : I know plenty of polygamous marriages in Egypt, to name just one Islamic country. Many Muslim men also marry foreign wives and keep their Egyptian wife as the second class one, especially if she's undergone genital mutilation. It's a horrible situation for both women. A lot of Muslim men who travel to Western countries, take a second or third wife there too. I met a few in London. Once you are converted to Islam you can't get out. However you can convert to Christianity after receiving incentives, and then you can easily get out of Christianity. Christianity separates politics from religion. Don't believe official statistics on religion. People are not allowed to leave Islam so of course they'll say they are still Muslim!!! Tunisia is not very strict (though now they have a new dictator after the 'palace coup' things may have changed) and people can convert to Christianity or become Atheist, etc. Iran is no longer close to 50% Muslim population, and I see that as a very good thing, though they have to be very secretive about their non-belief. Tension between religions or within religions is fine, but why do we only see Muslims "forbidding wrong and commanding right" and even cutting off the heads of people who are not doing the right thing by Islam? This internal enforcement of Islamic religious practice by other practitioners is not a requirement in any other religion that I know of, so where did you get that idea from? Christians who don't abide by their church may be ex-communicated but that's nothing like the punishment that is encouraged and permitted in Islam. Islamic Sharia is NOTHING like Christianity which is a personal religion only. You only need to accept Jesus as your saviour and that's pretty much it. Islam is a 'complete way of life' including politics and law. Islam IS primarily an ideology of politics-law, with a religious dimension which serves as a 'cover'.
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@s.k.9110 : "The fact that nothing is written in the Qur’an about the age of consent does not mean that Pre pubescent marriage is mandatory": Where did I say anything about #prepubescent marriage being MANDATORY? Marrying and having sex with a small girl is halal, and considered honourable because the 'prophet' of Islam did it, that's all. "You seem to confuse Muslims and Islamists": What is the difference between a Muslim and an Islamist? All Muslims are equally obligated to struggle to live under Sharia. Islamist is just another made-up word, like Islamophobe, to try and shut down the real conversation. There is ONE Islamic doctrine, and ONE Islam, which Muslims are obligated to try and follow. "Why did the Aboriginal population decrease by more than 80% last decades?": Mostly through disease which came with the new arrivals. The same thing happened in North America and pretty much everywhere else in the world. The explorers and settlers brought viruses and bacteria, such as smallpox, influenza, measles, typhus, and cholera, for which the indigenous peoples had no immunity.
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@sulf49 I’m deadly serious. What part of my comment seemed to you like I was kidding? Can you refute ONE thing that I said?
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@ursman3ify : That's great. If the Canaanites are still alive today, and if they've had a continuous connection with the land of Israel, then they can claim it as their ancestral homeland too! They'll have #equal rights under the law with the Jews, just like the Arabs and other minority Israeli citizens have.
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@AfroRU6246 It is possible that two separate indigenous peoples can be from the same place. Can you provide evidence of a continuous connection to the land of Israel? Do you have a special language, coins, historic documents listing your kings, judges, or other rulers? Can you describe your unique traditions, religious traditions, and burial sites of leaders and forefathers directly linked to the Holy Land? Have you retained social, cultural, economic and political characteristics that are distinct from those of the dominant societies in which you and other 'Canaanites' currently live, in the same way that the Jewish peoples have done so? I would love to see the Tibetans, Kurds, Kashmiris, Uyghurs, Berbers, and other indigenous peoples achieve self-determination, or at least a measure of autonomy, in their own distinct land. I wish you the best of luck in reviving your personal claim on behalf of any currently living Canaanite people.
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@heshamhero6149 : "Islamic GOLDEN age literature"? Sadly, a lot of this literature is just not credible because it's written to justify a certain narrative. Just like the standard Islamic sources. They only came about DECADES after the death of the 'prophet' and are not evidence-based. Nor do they have any corroborating evidence from other civilisations in that area during the 7th century. The Jewish people were acknowledged by a unanimous vote in the League of Nations in 1920 as #indigenous to the Holy Land. They have religious practices, artefacts, burial grounds of ancestors, a well-established written history, a continuous presence, etc. all tied to that particular region, centred on Jerusalem. They were granted the legal right to reconstitute their ancestral home in Israel. All other OCCUPANTS at the time were to be given #equal rights under the law (which they have today, where Arab Muslims sit in the Knesset and on the Supreme Court), plus freedom of religion (there are hundreds of mosques in Israel today). One fifth of Israeli citizens TODAY are from those Arab, Druze, Circassian, Kurdish, Turkish, etc. families who chose to accept life under Jewish rule in 1948. Israel is probably the most multicultural nation in the world today with more than 50% of Jews arriving from across North Africa, Arabia, Ethiopia, and India, so please stop with the nonsense about skin colour. From the same League of Nations vote, the Arab occupants of the dismembered Ottoman Empire were granted self-rule over 99% of the Middle East!!! If you consider the countries of Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Jordan to be legitimate, why are you still complaining only about a tiny less-than-1% piece of land which the #indigenous Jews now have back in their control? There are real refugees in the world today to be more concerned about. The so-called Palestinians are being used as geopolitical weapons against the Jews but it's not going to achieve anything. Israel is an "innovation powerhouse" and it will only grow stronger, especially with the normalising of ties between Israel and surrounding Arab nations.
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