Comments by "Sandy Tatham" (@sandytatham3592) on "‘Israel is losing the support of the rest of the world’" video.

The Jewish people are #indigenous to the Holy Land. They were promised the right to reconstitute their ancestral home in return for supporting the Allied Powers against the Ottoman Caliphate which LOST the war in 1918. One-fifth of Israeli citizens are Arab Muslims, Druze, Circassians, Bedouin Arabs, and Arab Christians. They ALL have equal rights with Jews and freedom of worship. Their families accepted life in the Jewish state of Israel in 1948. They made a good choice...🙏
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The Jewish people are not there because of the holocaust. In 1918 the Ottoman Caliphate was DEFEATED. The Jews supported the British in their war effort, and in return they were promised the chance to *reconstitute their ancestral homeland*. It has now happened and they will only grow stronger. Get used to it. Jews and Christians always live as second-class 'humiliated' citizens (dhimmis) in Muslim lands. The Jews will never go back to that status again. Thankfully Islam is losing power.
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The Jewish people are #indigenous to the Holy Land. They were promised the right to reconstitute their ancestral home in return for supporting the Allied Powers against the Ottoman Caliphate who LOST the war in 1918. One-fifth of Israeli citizens are Arab Muslims, Druze, Circassians, Bedouin Arabs, and Arab Christians. They ALL have equal rights with Jews and freedom of worship. Their families accepted life in the Jewish state of Israel in 1948. They made a good choice...🙏
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@BelfastBodger : Feel free to educate me on my 'falsehoods'...🙏
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@kuzmug2413 : Historic Palestine has ALWAYS been the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people, including Jesus. The Holy Land has great ideological and strategic value for the Allied Powers who DEFEATED the Ottoman Caliphate in 1918. Wars have consequences...🙄
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@RogerRocks : You are welcome to your 'version' of history. Israel gave up land for peace, so where's your evidence of "proceeding to take more land by force". Israel gave Sinai back to Egypt in return for a peace agreement which has held for 44 years. Other land has been kept because it's essential for security purposes, and because all of the land "from the river to the sea" constitutes the ancestral homeland of the Jews. One-fifth of Israeli citizens are ARABS whose families accepted life in the Jewish state of Israel. They didn't flee when the attacking Arab armies said they should leave and return after all the Jews were massacred. The Ottoman Caliphate LOST the war in 1918. Losers don't get to choose who gets what, especially when they are on the side of the party which started the war...🙄
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@VDOless : Done.
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@refurb0987 : The Jewish people were acknowledged by the League of Nations as the #indigenous people of historic Palestine in 1920 at the San Remo Conference. A large number of Arabs flooded into Palestine only AFTER the British and the Zionists had created economic opportunities. They are NOT indigenous to the land. They came from Egypt, Syria, Arabia, Kurdish areas, Bosnia, Turkey, etc. Tragically people do get "displaced" when wars happen or when new countries are founded. Around 18 million people were displaced when India was partitioned in 1947. Do they still moan and whine today? Did they get their own UN organisation to keep them as perpetual refugees to be used as weapons, like the Palestinians are used against the Jewish state of Israel? What right did the so-called Palestinian Arabs ever have to their own country? The British Mandate for Palestine had already been carved up and 75% given to the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan for Arabs in 1921. Around twenty percent of Arabs who were occupants of Palestine in 1948 remained in Israel, some 156,000 people, and today they have equal rights with Jews. They sit in the Knesset, on the Supreme Court, work in the highest places in business, banking, education, health and technology. They made a great choice...🙏
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@christopherwall2121 : Great. If any Canaanites are alive today, and if they've kept their "continuous connection" with the land in the same way that the Jews have, they can claim to be the minority indigenous people of that land.
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@BabylonPatrol : When the Ottomans joined WWI on the side of the Germans, the British allied with the Jews and the Hejazi Arabs in order to DEFEAT the Ottomans in 1918. Both were promised land in return for their support. The Arabs got 99% of the Ottoman Middle East land. Today these are the countries of Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Jordan. The Jews were acknowledged as #indigenous to historic Palestine by the League of Nations, later ratified by the United Nations, and they were given the right to reconstitute their ancestral homeland, so long as all current occupants were given equal rights and freedom of religion. Today around two million Arabs are citizens of Israel with equal rights and freedom of religion.
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@jonathanikeda8727 : The God of Israel doesn't have anything to do with Israel's #indigenous rights to their ancestral homeland. But nice try.
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 @lahoreaskari2651 : Feel free to provide evidence of me getting facts wrong...☺
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@user-cp7gh8zj6b : Whatever name calling you resort to, it doesn't change the fact that Israel is here to stay and it will only get stronger. My next hope is for the #indigenous Kurdish people to get full control of their ancestral homeland.
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@daniaa3205 : Who is talking about any Biblical claims? Indigenous people are those who have "a distinct social and cultural group that shares collective ancestral ties to the lands and natural resources where they live, occupy or from which they have been displaced." The Jewish people have a distinct social group, their own Hebrew language, artefacts, coins, kings, ancestral burial sites, and places of traditional cultural (or religious) practices, such as Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Jesus was a Jew so Arab Christians could also be called indigenous to ancient Judea. Does that answer your question?
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@coverupper1354 : The majority of Arabs living in the Ottoman Empire sided with the Turks in WWI, or they stayed neutral. However, the Hejazi Arabs did align with the British and they were given certain promises of land. They got 99% of the land after it was ceded to the British and French in 1918. These countries are called Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Jordan today. Israel is less than 1%, and one-fifth of Israel's citizens are Arabs with equal rights. Considering that the Arabs of the Hejaz got almost ALL of the land, and that land is rich in oil and resources, you'd think they would be happy, don't you? The problem for Muslims is that the Jews are back in control in the Holy Land, which was for hundreds of years under the Islamic Caliphate. And that is an affront to the Muslims. Read Qur'an 2:191 "Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them [the Jews] out from where they drove you out" and you'll see why Hamas has the goal to annihilate all of the Jews in Israel. This war is not about land. It is a religious war.
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@smostar569 : Both Israel and Egypt see the terrorist government of Hamas as a danger to their own citizens so they strictly control who goes in and out of the Gaza Strip through their border crossings. However, thousands of Palestinians used to pass from Gaza into Israel every day to work before the war and hundreds were taken into Israel for free medical treatment. And they do travel, as I've met Palestinians from Gaza in Egypt. They travel on a Palestinian Authority passport. They go on shopping trips to Cairo and Alexandria, and on holidays to many other countries. In Gaza there are luxury car dealerships and luxury apartments, eleven universities, beach resorts, gold markets, sports centres, and pretty much all the normal things you see in the Middle East, so don't believe the propaganda. There are very poor people in Gaza, as in all of the Middle East, but there are also rich people. Gaza had an obesity problem before the war as there was no shortage of food. The West Bank Palestinians have a similar situation but, because they are under different security controls and the Palestinian Authority is not considered a terrorist government, the people can come and go with a little more freedom, and they can travel outside via Jordan. I've met many Palestinians who live in Jordan too. They are also not given full citizenship and are controlled by the Jordanian authorities, but life is pretty much equal to the Jordanians. I agree that they should have the full citizenship rights of a sovereign country and that's why I advocate for them all to be given the chance to be resettled in another country, like my country Australia. They are being held as 'weapons' to be used against the Jewish people of Israel. It's inhumane that they've been kept in limbo for 75 years. The Arab League forbade the Arab countries from giving the displaced Palestinians citizenship because they wanted to keep pressure on Israel, after they couldn't annihilate Israel with the multiple wars that they waged against the Jews. The Palestinians are the only group in the whole world who have their own UN organisation to keep them as perpetual refugees!!! As for the war in Gaza, Israel does not target civilians so it is not a 'genocide' but it is a horrible tragedy. Hamas imbed themselves with the civilians and in schools, mosques, hospitals and other civil structures. However, the majority of Gaza people do support Hamas, the women and children spy for Hamas and deliver ammunition and logistical packages, so they are also involved. I do support the complete eradication of Hamas, just as ISIS was eradicated in Mosul where there was another horrible death toll on civilians. But in Mosul they were completely innocent civilians who never asked for ISIS to come and invade their cities in Iraq and Syria. Hamas were democratically elected, so the people of Gaza have to take some responsibility for what they've ended up with. Thank you for reading, if you've got this far. We might not agree, but it's good to have an open discussion about this.
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@shhdurgevvs : The definition of #indigenous includes people who were 'displaced' from a land. The Romans took thousands of Jews as slaves to Rome, and now these 'European Jews' have returned to their ancestral homeland. Jews from Middle East and North African Arab countries, from Ethiopia, India and Europe, plus Arab Christians, Arab Muslims, Druze, Circassians and other minorities, all live together in Israel and they ALL have equal rights under the law and freedom of worship. Those Arabs who did not accept living in a Jewish country in 1948, and who are still hostile towards Jews, should by now have been resettled in another country. Any country has the right to base its constitution on whatever values it chooses, just like the UK is founded on Christian values, and Japan has its own unique values. What is wrong with Israel being a Jewish country? And all countries have the right to control who becomes a citizen. The East Jerusalem Arabs do have a path to full citizenship, but I don't believe Israel can safely increase their Muslim population above 20% without endangering their other citizens. Look at the civil war that happened in Lebanon when the Christians let in thousands of Muslim refugees. Today Lebanon is a failed state. As for Jews, Christians and Muslims living together before 1948, there were horrible massacres of Jews by Arabs, so let's not forget that. Bethlehem used to be more than 85% Christian before it was given to the Palestinian Authority and today it's only about 10% Christian. Wherever Jews and Christians live in a Muslim-majority place, they are given second-class status with restrictions on worship. They can never be sure of complete safety. That's why almost all of the Jews in Arab countries have left, and the Christian communities in the Middle East are getting smaller and smaller. Islam is NOT compatible with modern human rights.
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@blogintonblakley2708 : DNA is not taken into account as to whether a person is #indigenous or not. It is the "continuous connection" to the land that's important, and being a member of a unique cultural group, with one language, with ancestral burial sites, traditional places of gathering, artefacts, coins, kings, etc. People who have been 'displaced' from their homeland are still indigenous to it. The Romans took thousands of Jewish slaves to Europe, and now they've come home. The Arabs of Palestine are mostly Muslim so their 'connection' is to Arabia and Mecca. Though Christians could claim to be indigenous because Jesus was a Jew, so the focus of Christians has always been on the land of Judea and Jerusalem. And it's great news because the Christian population of Israel is increasing today!
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@blogintonblakley2708 : Western powers WON the First World War in 1918. Wars are very expensive and come with a great sacrifice in lives. The British and French did not want that war, just like Israel did not this current war with Hamas. Wars have consequences for the losers, especially if they started the war. The "current occupants" of Palestine in 1947 were given the chance to remain in the Jewish state of Israel. Around 170,00 Arabs, Bedouin, Druze, etc. accepted that and today their population has grown to around two million and they are thriving. The other occupants were offered many chances to have their own state, but they want ALL of the land "from the river to the sea" with NO Jews. The Palestinians have now #forfeited any right to have a state of their own. Do you think everyone gets to choose what they want? When India was partitioned, did 18 million Hindus and Muslims get to choose which country they belonged to in 1947? Did 1.5 million Greek Christians and Turkish Muslims get to choose when they were forced to change countries in 1924 when Turkey was created?
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@clarithromycine-oo9qp: I agree it does seem a bit weird but the whole point of being #indigenous is the "continuous connection" to a particular piece of land, and of belonging to a "unique cultural or social group". There is nothing unique about Arab cultures. Due to the Islamic invasions which began in the 7th century, the Arab culture, language, religion, etc. was forced on people right across North Africa, the Middle East, and up into Europe and down into Asia. It's great to see local groups such as the Berbers, Nubians, etc. also keeping up or returning to their own indigenous customs, using their own languages, dances and rituals, in parallel with the Arab customs, so long as they fit within the boundaries of Islam, where the Arabic language still dominates in many countries.
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@clarithromycine-oo9qp : Just because something is "holy" to you, it doesn't mean you always get to keep it. Look at the holy sites that were lost to people when India was partitioned in 1947 to provide the Muslims with their own country. Do the Hindus and Sikhs still cry today that they should have their own "holy" sites back? Do Christians cry about their "holy" church Hagia Sophia in Istanbul being used as a mosque? They are no doubt very sad, but it's just the reality of life. It's only the invented group of people called 'Palestinians' who believe they deserve special consideration. And there is no evidence that Jerusalem is holy to Muslims. Many Muslims believe that "the farthest mosque" is in Al-Ju'ranah, about 25kms from Mecca, as that was the mosque that Muhammed used to go to on his way to Taif. Jerusalem is just a symbol of the 7th century Muslim invasions and conquest. They created a story around it to make it more dominant than the Jewish Temple. Israel allows complete freedom for Muslims to go there, so I don't see a problem with this, unless Al-Aqsa Masjid is going to be used as a base for jihadist activity.
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@daniaa3205 : I can't seem to reply to you any more. Sorry.
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@clarithromycine-oo9qp: The "Islamic Golden Age" is more of a myth than a reality. It was horrible for non-Muslims. Check out the Granada massacre in 1066 where thousands of Jews were slaughtered. Thankfully there are historians today who have put things into perspective. Jews and Christians are always subject to persecution and humiliation in a Muslim-ruled land, as they are lower-class dhimmis. The Jewish people will never allow themselves to be ruled by Muslims again. I like Arabic but it's inhumane to conquer a people and forbid them from speaking their own language. Berbers in Morocco are still struggling to get their identities back, and so are countless other people who were conquered by Islam. What's your ancestral background? Or do you come from Arabia where Arabic is the mother-tongue?
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When has Israel attacked any other nation, except as a pre-emptive attack when multiple Arab militaries were lined up to attack Israel? If Israel is not legitimate, then all the other countries which arose out of the DEFEAT of the Ottoman Empire in 1918 are not legitimate. Those countries are Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and Jordan. Stop holding Israel to different standards.
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The Jewish people are #indigenous to that specific land🙄. They have returned and they're not going away again. The Ottoman Caliphate was DEFEATED in 1918. The Jews supported the British in WWI in return for the right to return to their ancestral homeland.
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