Comments by "Sandy Tatham" (@sandytatham3592) on "'We will return to our homeland': Dr Ghada Karmi on her experience as a Nakba survivor" video.

The hostile Arabs thought that the Jewish people wouldn’t survive their attempted #genocide. Today one-fifth of Israeli citizens are Arab Muslims who have equal rights under the law with Jews and other minorities. The majority of ‘Palestinians’ want a land with NO Jews, so she will be waiting forever for her one state solution. Best to go to Jordan, Syria, Egypt or Iraq to be with her people...🙏
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The 'Palestinians' are suffering because they refused to accept the legitimacy of the Jewish state for the #indigenous Jewish people. Out of the defeat and collapse of the Ottoman Empire in 1918, six new countries were founded on the basis of self-determination by the occupants/indigenous people. Arabs got 99% of the land for Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Jordan. Israel got less than 1% of that Ottoman Middle East land, and one-fifth of Israeli citizens are Arabs!!! But Arabs still want more land. They want a Jew-free Middle East...🙄
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Very well said...🙏
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@aUsuario : It was an "attempted #genocide". And they failed. The indigenous Jewish people were granted the right to reconstitute their ancestral homeland in the Holy Land in return for their support to the British in wartime. Wars have consequences. If you start a war, then lose, you don't always get to choose what happens with the land. Out of the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in 1918, the Arabs were granted self-determination in 99% of the Ottoman land. The Jewish people settled for less than 1%, and one-fifth of Israeli citizens today are Arabs who have equal rights with Jews. But you still complain?
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@tarana9329 : The Jewish people are #indigenous to the Holy Land, not Germany. When the Allied Powers (British, French, etc) defeated the Ottomans in 1918 they were under no obligation to give the land to anyone, but "in a spirit of democracy" and in return for support in the war effort, they chose to offer it to the occupants for self-determination. The Arabs got 99% of the Ottoman Middle East land (today's Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Saudi Arabia). The Jewish land forms only 1% of the former Ottoman Middle East land, and one-fifth of Israeli citizens are Arabs whose families accepted equality under the law with Jewish rule. Those Arabs who were hostile to Jewish rule should have moved to Arab lands, or accepted the 1947 partition plan and moved there. Millions of people around the world in the last century have been #displaced through the creation of new nation states. In 1924 around 1.5 million Greeks and Turks were forced into a population exchange when Turkey was created. In 1947 up to 18 million people in South Asia were forced to move to the newly created Pakistan or to India. After the creation of Israel in 1948, around 800,000 Jews were forced out or had to flee their multi-generational homes in Arab countries. Why are the Arabs who were living in Palestine in 1948, and who sided with the five Arab militaries which attacked the new state of Israel, a 'special cause' compared with all of the other refugees around the world? Why did they get their own refugee organisation UNRWA which was designed to perpetuate the limbo status of the Arabs from Palestine (some who were still relatively new arrivals to the area) instead of resettling them elsewhere like other displaced peoples? I suggest you watch the 5min video called "Does Israel Occupy the West Bank" where Professor Eugene Kontorovich explains the international precedents which led to the dividing up of the land after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in WWI.
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@NikoBellaKhouf2 : I understand that people might not be happy, but ever since humans existed they've moved around the globe, fought with each other, come to some resolution, and then got on with life. Over 750, 000 Jews were exiled or expelled from Arab countries over the last 100 years. Do they still WHINE about that today, or have they got on with their lives in their new countries? I'm pleased that 'forced population exchanges' are a thing of the past thanks to international conventions. It seems that wherever Islam grows in power it forces its will on the minority populations, so your comment about it "not being necessary" is just nonsense. Pakistan, Bangladesh, Turkey, Iraq, Egypt, Lebanon, etc. are all fairly recent examples of the persecution and exile of minorities living under Islamic rule. Israel already shares the land with 21% Arab Israeli citizens, most of them being Muslims. They have #equal rights under the law with Jews and other minorities, and they have freedom to worship. The vast majority of these Arab Israelis say they prefer Jewish rule to that of the corrupt Arab Palestinian rule. Wars have consequences. When the Ottoman Caliphate was DEFEATED in 1918, they didn't get to choose who ended up with what land. However, the Arab occupants of the Middle East were granted self-rule over 99% of that broken-up Ottoman land!!! The #indigenous Jews of Israel want less than 1% and they SHARE it with Arabs. I suggest you watch the 5min video called "Does Israel Occupy the West Bank" where Professor Eugene Kontorovich explains the international precedents which led to the dividing up of the land after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in WWI. As for your comment below that "we're only getting stronger", that's sadly delusional. It's Israel which is getting stronger. Arab countries are finally starting to openly normalise their relations with Israel via the #AbrahamAccords. I don't hate anyone. I encourage my Muslim friends to use better critical analysis and to stop believing the propaganda.
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@NikoBellaKhouf2 : I'm guessing that you live a secure life in a first world country and you are happy to #exploit the so-called Palestinians as weapons in your hate for Jews. You don't like the fact that the Jewish people have reconstituted their ancestral home in the Holy Land. They are no longer #dhimmis under Islam. Am I close?
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@NikoBellaKhouf2 : Huh??? My parents were English, likely a mix of Scandinavian, Celtic and Germanic heritage. But I'm not fixated at all on my ethnic origins. I certainly wouldn't give a thought to who my people might have been during the Bronze Age!!! And if your ancestors were LIVING in the region of historic Palestine at the time of the defeat of the Ottoman Caliphate in 1918, and the reconstitution of the nation of Israel 1948, is it safe for me to guess that your family REJECTED life under Jewish rule? Those Arabs who were hostile to the new country of Israel, and who fled when the seven Arab armies attacked, did far more harm to themselves than good. That harm is being perpetuated by those who use the 'Palestinians' as #pawns in the game of Muslim vs Arab. The humane thing to do would be to lobby/shame the surrounding Arab countries to give citizenship to the remaining 'Palestinian refugees'. Then for Israel to grant them residence status, like the East Jerusalem Arabs, after they've extended sovereignty over Judea and Samaria. That way the Palestinian Arabs get #equal rights to all others who live in Israel, but NOT national voting rights. And if they continue with 'armed resistance' then they either get punished or deported to the Arab country which gave them citizenship.
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@mahdiaanni6125 : I'm happy to debate and be proven wrong. Am I wrong in saying "[Palestinian] Arabs still want more land. They want a Jew-free Middle East"? Is this a 'delusion' or something that people actually say or imply with the phrase 'from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free'? Do you live in Palestine? Or are you from somewhere safe and just want to perpetuate using Arabs in Palestine as #pawns in your hostility for the Jewish people?
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@foreveravatar5874 : The land in question in Palestine is "disputed" as it does not belong to any country after the Ottoman Empire was defeated. You can't 'occupy' land that doesn't belong to any sovereign nation. The majority of Arabs fled Palestine because they hoped that the Jewish people would be massacred by the seven Arab nations which attacked. It's sad that they made a bad choice and then couldn't return, but what government would allow the return of HOSTILE people? I believe those who could prove legal title to properties have received compensation on request. This is very different to the 800,000 Jews who were exiled from their ancestral homes in Arab countries and who had no chance to sell their properties or to take much with them when they left. Do we hear about those refugees today? No, because they've accepted their #displacement and have moved on with life. Unlike the 'special' Arabs who were displaced from Palestine due to the attack by the Arab nations, and who have been kept as perpetual refugees by their own dedicated organisation called UNRWA. Most of the Arabs who inhabited Palestine between 1920 and 1948 were recent immigrants, attracted to the region due to economic improvements by the British and the Zionist Jews, so I believe it's more correct to call them Arabs, or Kurds, or Bosnians, etc. where applicable.
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@Sammy-wu8gm Whenever Jews and Christians live as dhimmis under an Islamic Caliphate, they are third class citizens with few legal rights compared to Muslims [Quran 9:29]. But the Jewish people are now in control in Israel, and that's a real problem for Arabs who have an honour-shame culture. The humiliation of losing so many wars also doesn't help the Arabs accept their new status. Do you actually live in the Palestinian Territories, Sammy? Or do you just incite 'Palestinians' to perpetuate their hate for the Jewish people rather than suggesting a pragmatic solution with no violence?
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@foreveravatar5874 Yes I do support human rights and I'm against the inhumane treatment by UNRWA which keeps the so-called 'Palestinians', with their special redefinition of refugee status, in perpetual limbo wherever they are living. The Arab countries do not generally give citizenship to the 'Palestinians' in order to keep them dissatisfied and resentful. This makes them #weapons against the Jewish state of Israel. But this is changing, so I am hopeful of a resolution to the problem in the coming decade. Israel has full legitimacy for their nation state. They are obligated to protect ALL of their citizens, including the two million or so Arab citizens and other minority groups such as the Druze and Circassians, against the terror wave that we see coming out of Gaza and Judea and Samaria (West Bank) these days. They are also obligated to protect the 100,000 or so workers from Gaza or Judea and Samaria who spend their days earning a good living in Israel, or those 'Palestinians' who are being treated in Israeli hospitals. I support all displaced 'Palestinians' being given support by the UNHCR and other organisations to apply for resettlement and citizenship in other countries, for example in my country Australia. I've seen reports that those living in refugee camps in Lebanon are not permitted to make applications for resettlement in Australia, probably because Hezbollah does not want the refugee numbers diminished. Remember that thousands and thousands of people make money from perpetuating this horrible refugee situation. It has become its own industry. And the leaders of the Arab organisations within the Palestinian Territories are now billionaires and millionaires. There is NO incentive to change anything. And there are the people who live safely outside the area who support it without offering any positive solutions. I'm living in Sinai, Egypt. This country also 'blockades' Gaza. Egypt also puts Gaza under 'military occupation' if you prefer to call it that. Egypt doesn't want the terror regimes to spread here, any more than they've already done so. It's not 'apartheid' to defend your country against terror regimes, particularly when we know they are part of the larger threat of Iran's Islamic regime, or even part of the resurgence of the Islamic State in the region. I hope that clarifies my position on this subject for you.
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@Sammy-wu8gm I know you call yourself 'Palestinian' but I've been asking: where do you live today? Do you have the balls to properly identify yourself? And wtf does 'Hindutva loving' have to do with the Jewish-Arab conflict?
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