Comments by "Sandy Tatham" (@sandytatham3592) on "SHOCKING VIDEO What Palestinian Propaganda Looks Like inside of The WEST BANK" video.

It's great that you are studying the Qur'an. I hope you've checked out Qur'an 2:191 which says "Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out, as Fitnah is more severe than killing." This is understood by many Believers to mean that once the Muslims have invaded, conquered and declared land sacred to Islam, then it has to remain that way. So of course the 'Palestinians' want ALL of the land back 'from the river to the sea', without the indigenous Jewish people. This is based on the Islamic scriptures. I'd be interested to hear your perspective on this.
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@christopherdavidhughes8934 : I'm from New Zealand, and I support human and legal rights. Humanity has evolved considerably from solving disputes by "pushing back". That was the old tribal behaviour that Ben was talking about. Five or more Arab nations went to war against Israel in 1948, and again a few times after that, so it seems that a good many Arabs still felt the need to "drive them out from where they drove you out". That continues today, and is based on Islamic doctrine. After the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in 1918, the League of Nations acknowledged the Jews as indigenous to historic Palestine and in 1922 the Jewish people were given the legal right to reconstitute their homeland. The non-Jewish occupants of the land were to be guaranteed freedom of religion, and equal rights under the law, which they have today. It took until 1947 amid a lot of hostility from Arabs before they could implement this right but eventually they founded the land of Israel. The dismembered Middle East land of the Ottoman Caliphate was not retained by the victors of WWI but given to Arabs and Jews for self-determination. The Arabs got 99% of the land, countries today called Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan and Saudi Arabia. The Jews got less than 1% but they accepted that. And one-fifth of Israeli citizens are Arabs. That seems more than fair and reasonable to me. The displaced Arabs should have been resettled in neighbouring lands but the Arab League did not allow this because it wanted to weaponise the Palestinians in their fight (jihad) agains the Jews. UNRWA also keeps them as perpetual refugees for the same reason. Note: going to war against other nations, then losing those wars, has consequences!
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@christopherdavidhughes8934 : Fair enough. I'll thank you now for what I've learned from you. Go in peace.
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@moxiechacha1146 : Compared with other faith doctrines, Islam is already "radical and extreme". Thankfully, most Muslims are better than Islam.
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@christopherdavidhughes8934 : I spent many years working as a real estate conveyancer and would never buy anything that I wouldn't get legal title to. And if the government for some reason needed to resume my property, I am sure there would be adequate compensation so I have no concerns at all there. I'm not attached to possessions in the way that Arabs are attached to their homes. I also believe in 'rule of law'. In the 100 years since WWI and the defeat of the German and Ottoman Empires, a new spirit of self-determination arose and dozens of new nations were formed. Over 60 million people have been exiled and/or displaced since 1918, including around 800,000 Jews from Arab nations. The largest group was up to 18 million people displaced or killed in the Partition of India. Another large 'enforced population exchange' occurred when the new nation of Turkey was founded and around 1.5 million Turkish Muslims and Greek Christians had to move countries. Do we hear about THEM today? Do they get millions of dollars in funding to keep them as perpetually displaced peoples? To keep them as so-called 'refugees', when there are genuine cases of refugees elsewhere in the world? UNRWA is a disgrace. I support indigenous rights. I see Israel as an indigenous rights success story. I would have loved to see the Kurdish people achieve self-determination on their ancestral land when the Ottoman Caliphate was dismembered in 1918. I don't support anyone who is virtue-signalling about the Palestinians from the comfort of a Western country and who doesn't put forward a pragmatic solution for a group of people who are being used as PAWNS in the game against the Zionist Jews.
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@christopherdavidhughes8934 : Additional note to my comment above regarding *property ownership*. The resumption of land is a real thing and it happened to my brother who was 'forced' to give up our family farm in Carterton because the local government needed his land for a water treatment plant. He was very well compensated and simply moved to the next town and bought a property which better suited his needs at the time. However this was in the last ten years. Going back 50-70 years to the Middle East and North Africa is a very different story, especially where hostility and wars are involved. If compensation was to be paid by Israel to the 700,000 Arabs who fled Israel, or who were coerced to leave, then would the Arab nations also compensate the 800,000 Jews who left behind far more wealth and property? From homes which their families had lived in for generations?
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@christopherdavidhughes8934 : I'm definitely NOT Jewish, and I do NOT like any organised religion. I believe in reincarnation which supports the idea that we have experienced many lives at many times, so maybe I was once a Jew? I'm pretty sure I've been an Arab Muslim in many lifetimes, and that's partly why I've been studying Islam for the past 12 years. I am a 'pragmatic realist'. I will only look at the very broad perspective before coming to conclusions. Stories about #victimhood do not sway me. My New Zealand grandfather is buried in the British Military Cemetery near Jerusalem. He died fighting to liberate the Holy Land in 1918 so that adds another dimension to my studies about Israel, but I only found that out during the Hamas attacks on Israel during Ramadan in 2021. I've been a supporter of the right of the Jewish people to have a homeland since I first visited Israel in 1989 during the Intifada. I'm also living just across the border in the Sinai Peninsula. Talking about who backs the state of Israel, and who doesn't back it, is irrelevant because it is a sovereign Jewish state with legal rights and it's not going anywhere. We are not aligned in our ways of thinking, Christopher (or whatever your real identity is) so let's agree to disagree...🙏
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@christopherdavidhughes8934 : What on earth are you talking about? When did I say that I know anything about Orthodox Jews?
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@ElizabetaDante : I'm totally fine with the teachings of Jesus. It's organised religion that I don't like.
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