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@heartofoak45 : As far as I'm concerned, Israel should have sovereignty over all of their ancestral land from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. They are the #indigenous people of the Holy Land. There were many things I didn't include. I didn't mention that in 1947 the land that had been granted by the League of Nations to the Jewish people was once again split up between the remaining Arabs and Jews, in the same way that Jordan constituted the 'Arab part' back in the first split of 1924. However, in 1947-48 the Arabs completely rejected this offer and attacked the new state of Israel. There was never any talk of creating a state for the so-called Palestinians. The Arab League would have divided the land between themselves, probably giving most to Jordan, Egypt, and maybe some to Syria and Lebanon. I'm not even going to bother talking about the 1967 line. That is untenable. Israel was granted the right to have a 'secure state' and experience has shown that, without extending sovereignty over part of the Golan Heights, and probably all of Judea and Samaria, Israel wouldn't even exist in the coming decades.
Are you saying it was "crass behaviour" to respond strongly to a group of Hamas-incited young Muslim men who barricaded themselves inside Al-Aqsa Mosque with the intention of creating chaos with their stockpile of rocks, fireworks, and possibly Molotov cocktails, ready to be thrown down on the Western Wall in the early morning? I have nothing more to say on this. Hopefully Israel and/or Saudi Arabia will take over control of the Temple Mount and there will be TRUE equality of access and worship for all people going forward, and not a policy which favours those Muslims whose claims to their "third holiest place" (disputed by many, including some Muslims) is becoming a bit of a joke, especially when they use it for terrorism purposes. It was symbolically built right on top of the holiest site for the Jewish people when the Arabs invaded and conquered back in the 7th century.
The Arabs have scored many own-goals. If more than the current number of Arab families had accepted life under Jewish rule in 1948, by now their demographics would have made a huge difference. Instead, it was only a proportion of Arabs who did accept life under Jewish rule which, according to devout Muslims and their scriptures, was treasonous. So it's understandable that most of them fled when they were told by the attacking Arab armies that they could return, claim their homes, and be the dominant ideological group in only a matter of days. The Arab culture is one of honour-shame. That's a huge part of this conflict and you can't deal with such people in the same way that we would in the West. That's why Arab Muslim countries are only ruled successfully by military dictators or kings/emirs.
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@chrisdunbar3400 : I don't believe it was "their country" as it had been under Ottoman Caliphate rule for 400 years. Jews and Christians and other minorities lived there too. The Allied Powers won the war in 1918 and they were under NO legal obligation to hand over any of the land for self-determination. What do you think would have happened if the Ottoman Empire had won the war? 🙄As it turned out, the Arabs were granted self-determination in 99% of the dismembered Ottoman Empire Middle East land, today's countries of Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Jordan. That left 1% of the land for Israel. As for being "migrants", the Jewish people were unanimously acknowledged by The League of Nations in 1920 as #indigenous to the Holy Land and they were granted the right to reconstitute their home, provided that they treated ALL occupants as equal under the law. That right included those Jews who had been 'displaced' centuries before. On the other hand, a large number of Arabs arrived in the region only after the British and Jews began to improve the land and infrastructure, when it became economically attractive and provided work opportunities for the Arab migrants.
From the beginning of the British Mandate period the Arabs rose up and began attacking the Jews. You can easily find a list of all of the horrible scenarios on the internet. And, yes, the Jews also retaliated, or made pre-emptive attacks. But none of this is very important because we know that a good proportion of the Palestinian Arabs today want a completely Jew-free land "from the river to the sea" and they will only accept that. Israel is here to stay, so I think it would be "reasonable" to incentivise all hostile Arabs to move to Jordan, Syria or Egypt, and for them to be granted citizenship there, rather than hold them as perpetual refugees.
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@soodabhi : The definition of "indigenous" includes a continuous connection to the land, and a culture that has a unique language (like Hebrew), practices and traditions, ancestral structures (like synagogues and ritual baths) and artefacts (like coins) that are specifically tied to that land. I don't think Arab Muslims qualify in that case, and a genetic or historic 'link' is not enough. Jerusalem was and always has been the holy city for the Jews. After the Arab Muslims invaded, they built their own structure on top of the Jewish holy site but it was more symbolic of their invasion and success of conquer. You see this wherever the Islamic regime has gone. Under the Ottoman Empire the Haram al-Sharif wasn't considered very important at all. It's only after the Jewish Zionist movement saw Jews returning that Jerusalem became important to Muslims as well, primarily to compete with the Jews. Why should the United Nations, a body which is heavily influenced by the large Islamic bloc, be given control? I think it would create more problems to introduce another layer of control.
After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, the Middle East land was split up and 99% was given to Arabs for self-determination, today's Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Jordan. Israel is on a tiny 1% of the old Ottoman land and one-fifth of its citizens are Arabs whose families accepted life under Jewish rule. Does that not sound fair enough to you? My humane solution would be for the surrounding Arab countries to give citizenship to the 'Palestinian' Arabs and then for Israel to give them the option of staying in the land with 'residence visas', the same as the East Jerusalem Arabs. This would give them all the benefits of Israeli society but not national voting rights. Then a path to full citizenship could be opened, but they would have to stop any hostility for this to be approved.
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