Comments by "Mark Armage" (@markarmage3776) on "Bloomberg Television"
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@josephhoward4697 Yeah, both you and your friends made serious mistakes, pal.
Because your friend cash out before they gain back their money.
If they're buying the dip, then if it crashes more, then they have to wait longer until it bounce back up, eventually it will bounce back up.
If they listen to Mr Market and sell just because everybody else is selling and price is going down then they have no idea what they're doing.
And neither did you know what you're doing. There's absolutely no reason for the stock to rise in the last 2 years. You got lucky, pal. You bought the bubble while it is expanding and seemingly cash out before it pops. That's not skill, that's pure luck.
Because you still have no idea why it went up or why it went down.
You just gambled and got lucky.
Sane People time the bottom not to win immediately, that's where your friends did wrong. You time the bottom to maximize profits in the long run. Had your friends hold it until it recovers, they would have made serious profits.
As long as they choose solid stocks, they don't need to "cut loses" because those companies will last far beyond into the future.
So that's where you and your friends go wrong. Both you and your friends have no idea what you're doing.
You bought on the way up, it's called FOMO, you got lucky it didn't pop in your face. Enjoy the money because if you keep doing that, you won't make any more of it. Your friends cut loses quickly because they listen to the market and follows the crowd.
Different outcome doesn't mean one side was correct and the other side was wrong. If two people both gambled, even if one person won and the other person lost, both of them are idiots.
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@TheSolarScience
You know, when i started to consider that you are a serious person with real facts, I start to read the document which you gave, and it's total nonsense. Don't be a troll, pal.
I don't know where you get these kind of soundbite but it's not going to work among real people with real intelligence.
The 2 documents link you provided, either you didn't read them at all, or you're just too stupid to understand what it means.
First, "GAO, Opportunities Exist to Strengthen Policies and Processes for Managing Emergency Assistance, GAO-11-696. Table 8 (page 131), 2011".
Read page 130, pal, they specifically pointed out that the amount of money is accumulated due to the renewal of each loans, pal. PCDF loans which are renewed daily, let banks borrow money for one night, in exchanged of a collateral asset, and pay back the money the next day. However, during the financial crisis, the loans are made in the form of multiple loans in a row for the same asset. The first day you borrow money for an asset, the next day you return the money and borrow the money again, letting the same asset in as a collateral.
These loans are accumulated as daily loans. But they are for the same asset, therefore it's just one amount of money.
So your 16 trillions claim is actually 160 billions, because the loans are made in the span of 100 days. Don't just repeat the soundbite, read the actual report.
Second "Levy Institute estimated the bailout cost to be $29 trillion (Levy Institute, Working Paper No. 698, December 2011", this report fails in page 5.
If you had read it, it shows clearly the "trillion" word here, comes mostly from credit extension, which by the name, is not actually money being drawn out, it's called money capable of being drawn out. Being calculated so that if a bank has assets, they can withdraw how much money as loans.
In the case of AIG, in 2009, they're valued low because of low liquidity, but in fact, they held multiple assets which can not be sold, but they are still assets that can produce wealth in long term. For example, a building is worth zero if nobody's willing to buy it, but it's still a building, the value of it is estimates in billions, because it's not the current price, but estimation of future price.
The credit extension by the Feds, even though are trillions, are very much in line with what assets AIG have at the time, they also hold asset of nearly trillion.
So yeah, with after finding fatal flaw in those 2 document alone, I decided that you're a troll, and it's probably too complicated for you to understand what I've just explained.
So here, GO BACK TO SCHOOL, TROLL, DON'T REPEAT THE SOUNDBITE, IT'S NOT TRUE.
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@TheSolarScience You still don't know anything, pal, I don't know where you get these propaganda, I admit, these propaganda are effective and it sounds like they're solid, but that only works with little kids.
Read the real report troll, I just pointed out the lies you make.
Pathetic.
You can't make dollars out of thin air, because that is not real money, if it's not real money, you can't trade it therefore it loose the value of being dollars.
Credit, loans, they're all required to be backed up with physical assets, the only money not backed by anything is the physical dollar bill, they can print it, and there are only 1.5 trillions in circulation.
So your claim of 60 trillions, it's ridiculous, I pointed out the flaws, you're troll, I suspect, so stop spreading lies
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@TheSolarScience So your 2 only verifiable document was shred to pieces so now you go on to base your ridiculous argument based on hearsay?
1. And pal, I have destroyed your lies about the " GAO, Opportunities Exist to Strengthen Policies and Processes for Managing Emergency Assistance, GAO-11-696. Table 8 (page 131)", so yeah, re typing that is just pure trolling. Read page 130, they specified in their own reports why the 16 trillions number is stupid, for the likes of you.
https://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11696.pdf, page 130, pal.
2. "Levy Institute, Working Paper No. 698, December 2011, $29,000,000,000,000: A Detailed Look at the Fed’s Bailout by Funding Facility and Recipient". Again, this piece of evidence was also debunked, page 5, read closely, pal. Extension credit, not loans, not money. Learn some math.
3. The testimony of the people given above is not about the money being given out in the bailout, you troll, it's about the potential losses of every default swap on the market. Which it will be 62 trillions, if every single swaps being defaulted. And it has nothing to do with the bail out money because the bail out is only 180 billions. The potential losses of 62 trillions, is not referring to AIG alone, it's referred to the entire market of swaps, and if you actually heard the testimony.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?281644-1/aig-bailout-oversight-hearing-panel-1&start=5435
1:31:27.
The total amount of debt is substantially less because every swap are made against one another, so if a company wins, another company loss, and that loosing company might win on some of the swaps as well, the worst case scenario is 17 trillions. And that number has no yet to occur, because if that's so, then there would be some really wealthy people walking the planet cashing in from credit default swaps.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/if-the-amount-of-62-trillion-d
Poor troll, you see, when you try to lie but provide real evidence, it's very easy to tore your lies apart. Because they're lies.
4. Your claim of withholding of disclosure, has nothing to do with the the figure 62 trillions, the report only says about the threat and the liabilities of the federal reserve acting as an independent agency providing loans. And yes, they might have loss billions, but it's no where near your conspiracy theory of "trillions".
YOU ARE A BIG FAT LIAR.
Your proclaim "facts" are actually not facts but lies, you're either intentionally lying about the reports you quote, or you're too stupid to understand what the report accurately say.
Nice try, you troll. You don't proclaim to know anything, probably because you barely know anything. Learn to read reports properly. Last time, I destroyed only 2 of your fake evidence to spare you your dignity. But this time I destroyed all of your fake evidence.
Have some shame, kid.
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@TheSolarScience You still do not read, huh, kid?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/if-the-amount-of-62-trillion-d
60 trillion is the amount of swaps available on the market owned by every bank, not just AIG, also Goldman, JP Morgan, Bank of America, everyone, not just AIG, and in that hearing, 5 congressman mentioned the amount in their questions, and the answer debunked that number in the minute blow, why don't you stop being a moron?
https://www.c-span.org/video/?281644-1/aig-bailout-oversight-hearing-panel-1&start=5435
1:31:27, your number is debunked.
The estimate if every swaps is defaulted, which didn't happen, the cost will be only 17 trillions, but that shall never happen, because it didn't happen, nobody cashed in the swaps, because they know by doing so, they shall destroy the US economy.
The withholding from disclosure has nothing to do with 60 trillion, you only have that the withholding is withholding information. It could withhold a few billions, it withhold just a few hundred millions. Even in the report you cite, they only uses billions, you can not make up a number and then use the fact that they're withholding information, to claim that your number is correct.
So yeah, kid, you have been destroyed, here.
Like I said, go back to school, you troll. Nobody finds that you're correct, because you're not correct. In the reports you quote, they pointed out why you're not correct. So why don't you go back to school and stop living in a bubble?
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@TheSolarScience @Jens Hoekendijk You still do not read, huh, kid?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/if-the-amount-of-62-trillion-d
60 trillion is the amount of swaps available on the market owned by every bank, not just AIG, also Goldman, JP Morgan, Bank of America, everyone, not just AIG, and in that hearing, 5 congressman mentioned the amount in their questions, and the answer debunked that number in the minute blow, why don't you stop being a moron?
https://www.c-span.org/video/?281644-1/aig-bailout-oversight-hearing-panel-1&start=5435
1:31:27, your number is debunked.
6 congressmen mention the number, all being debunked by an answer. I suggest you stop trolling.
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@objectivethinker3225 Hey, you completely subjective thinker. Yes, they will use the exact same labour to manufacture things in the US. If you actually know anything, the workers there are much, much more productive than the ones in the US. They're not just cheaper, they're cheaper and better. This is why education is very important, so you go get one. It's worldwide consensus that American labor are actually among the least productive ones worldwide.
The current labour input cost is between 12$ and 25$, you move it here and it will jump between 40-100$, and again, that's not the only increase, there's an increase in labour cost in every component that you want to manufacture in the US. And of course, an increase of 40-100 USD on the price of an Iphone, nearly 10% for absolutely no gain whatsoever for the consumers.
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@objectivethinker3225 I don't know how naive you are but that's not how productivity is ranked and especially not in manufacturing. Whatever they were able to automate has already been automated, so homie, don't be desperate.
US manual labor workers are the least productive on Earth. Again, you need a much better education.
Exactly what productivity do you think the US workers have over the Chinese workers? Especially in manufacturing and assembly? Creativity? Buddy, that's adorable.
And yes, the price difference of Teslas in the US and China does depends on currency strength, which means that paying the same labor in dollar is much more expensive than in Yuan, leading to Teslas made in China is a lot cheaper. Exact same car, same software, same hardware, cheaper price.
So thank you for admitting your own ignorance, pretty bold move. Daddy Elon taught you well.
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@objectivethinker3225 If you mean the videos posted on YouTube 10-12 years ago, which are films of factories built 20-30 years ago, yes, back then there was a significant difference.
Now, homeboy, the Chinese factories are much, much , much more advanced than the US steel factories, if there even exist US steel factories. They just don't post that on YouTube, because they don't use YouTube, they also have their own internet companies, much faster payment system, faster transportation, better buildings, and better factories.
You can look at the infrastructure built in a city up somewhere on a mountain and it will be far better than the latest infrastructure built anywhere in the US.
And of course, this is spelled out for you also by daddy Elon. Come on, homeboy, you need a better education, pronto.
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