Comments by "Mark Armage" (@markarmage3776) on "Valuetainment"
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@schwaaard That's because the idea is being executed poorly by a bunch of incompetent people. If a person can't do math properly, is the fault lies in math? or the fault lies with the person?
And no, your argument is absolutely wrong, because you can use statistics to summarize whether having a certain attributes such as gender, race, actually means that candidate will have a higher probability of facing adversity, providing you're doing it correctly. Most people are doing it the wrong way, doesn't mean that the methodology is wrong.
DEI has always existed in human civilization, what, you think that's some new term never thought of before? Treating people as a whole, including their background, their story, not just one indicator of merit has always been around. Go study real history. Looking at the whole picture of human beings, that concept has existed at least since the ancient Egyptians.
I'll do an example for you in the case of Joel Embiid.
The reason why they even set up a scouting place in Cameroon in the first place is because they've applied the DEI spirits, on lowering the standard of minimum requirement of official competition result to set up a scouting location, based on the situation of the country.
A poorly connected country, no organized basketball, players with far lower ability, but because of the socio-economic factor of the place, their "merit" indicated via official competition results was ignored. Contrary to places like in China, etc.
In case of Joel Embiid, they did say that because he's Cameroonian, never played basketball till he's 15, his lower quality skillset can be put aside and judge him completely different from how they would judge a black kid in America playing basketball from when he was a kid.
You're intentionally twisting, lying about an idea and then pretend as if your version, which is full of lies are the official version. Get over yourself.
Nobody judges one applicant solely based on one single criteria, you're making that up. What's actually happening is that they're judging multiple criterias and in those multiple criterias, race and gender plays a role in deciding the final result.
Another easy example, if an Asian kid and a black kid, same middle class background, no noticeable difference in every single category, by statistics, the black kid will be more talented than the Asian one academic wise, because statistically speaking, unfortunately black middle class families are usually less educated, or has a less impressive education. You need to deal with that reality, now does that principle means that it will be right every single cases? No. But it will be right in a majority of cases providing a large enough number of samples.
DEI was exactly why Joel Embiid was found, because the DEI spirit is about looking at the whole picture. If they had just applied a crude merit approach, they would have said that this guy has never played basketball in his life, he's horrible compared to his peers who started basketball earlier, he's not good enough.
DEI spirit focuses on the actual merit of human beings, what you're focusing is not merit, it's crude and false version of what is called merit.
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@schwaaard Go study some statistics, hombre. Of course from some attributes, you can extrapolate the probability of something being true or not. For example, on average, Asian househoulds are more educated than Black, White, or Hispanic households, meaning that any kid born into an Asian family has a head start on all of the other kids, and therefore his or her potential and "merit" has to be judged with that head start in mind.
Like if 2 F1 cars race each other and one car has a 1km head start, if you don't take into account that head start factor, you can't compare the performance of the cars.
Now will it be right on every case, this statistics based approach? No, but it will be right on a majority of cases, provided that it's done properly, meaning correctly identifying the proper head start amount, and that's very difficult to do and most schools and doing it horribly. But that's the school fault, not the idea's fault.
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