Comments by "Zasz" (@Z4r4sz) on "Bite-sized Philosophy"
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"LOL yes I have a pretty good understanding of what's in the Bible."
Evidently you dont. Nothing funny about it especially when you lie so openly about it.
"For someone who's not believer you write thinking you know Christianity."
Yes, non-christians can read too. Even the bible. THE HORROR!!
Which is ironic because most christians know less about christianity than most atheists who actually read most if not all of the bible.
"What is your point from the verse? To this day Christians regard the Torah very highly. We believe the words of Christ about the Law of Moses not passing away which is why we include it in our sacred text (the Bible)."
This is why you dont understand your own bible. If the old testament is not invalid then saying "jesus completed it" would mean its invalid. Which its not according to the bible.
"Yes and I would condemn their actions as well precisely because they don't act according to the faith."
The people who followed the bible according to what it said committed these crimes because the bible promotes them. Have you ever bothered to read the old testament and a history book about christianity??
"I can also find some atheists who did some terrible things."
Except that atheism doesnt have a doctrine that could compell anyone to commit terrible things. Unless you want to name non-smokers or people who stopped driving cars to your silly list.
"If you think Christianity is bad because of Christians (who aren't even following Christianity), I guess atheism is bad too because of these atheists who kill and steal? Your argument makes no sense."
It doesnt make sense because
- that here is your strawman
- you dont understand my argument
After explaining it to you I go with both. Christians pretend to have a superior moral system but christians lost the argument nearly 2.000 years ago when the first christians came to power and created an army to destroy pagan religions, executed people who worshipped pagan gods and all the shit that happened since then.
The fact is that far more crime and child abuse has been committed by zealots in the name of god, jesus and mohammed than has ever been committed in the name of satan. Many people dont like that statement, but few can argue with it.
"Why not focus on the good people in Christianity whose faith inspired them to do good?"
Its like in court. When you fuck up so badly it doesnt matter what good you did.
"Mother Theresa worked so hard to help those in need precisely because of her Christian faith."
ARE YOU KIDDING???? She was a monster!! At the time of her death, Mother Teresa had opened 517 missions welcoming the poor and sick in more than 100 countries. The missions have been described as "homes for the dying" by doctors visiting several of these establishments in Calcutta. Two-thirds of the people coming to these missions hoped to a find a doctor to treat them, while the other third lay dying without receiving appropriate care. The doctors observed a significant lack of hygiene, even unfit conditions, as well as a shortage of actual care, inadequate food, and no painkillers. The problem is not a lack of money--the Foundation created by Mother Teresa has raised hundreds of millions of dollars--but rather a particular conception of suffering and death: "There is something beautiful in seeing the poor accept their lot, to suffer it like Christ's Passion. The world gains much from their suffering," was her reply to criticism, cites the journalist Christopher Hitchens.
Nevertheless, when Mother Teresa required palliative care, she received it in a modern American hospital. <<-- Nice hypocrisy.
"Do you still want to argue that Christianity inspires hate in the world?"
Yes, it does:
Matthew 10:34
Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. A man's enemies will be the members of his own household. Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Luke 12:47
The servant who knows the master's will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.
Luke 12:49
I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!
Luke 14:26
If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, even their own life, such a person cannot be my disciple.
Timothy 2:12
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
I could cite the old testament too because the passages with rape, slavery, cruelty and "...must be put to death" are numerous there. I could also cite some of the loudest bigots among christians like pastor anderson or the overwhelming majority of conservative christians who oppose same-sex marriage, who opposed interracial marriage decades ago with the exact same arguments, christians who cite the bible to justify the death penalty for silly things, the american bathroom bills were specifically created by christians
"Do you have a source ? You're just stating things without evidence."
Here is one source who brings such cases to us on a daily basis: https://twitter.com/hemantmehta
There is something from a few years ago but its ageless considering large christian organisations are discovered to hide criminals on a nearly basis these days: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report
http://archives.weirdload.com/stats.html
Knowing and not reporting to athorities: https://www.dw.com/en/australias-catholic-church-rejects-use-of-confessionals-as-evidence/a-45300111
Thats just the tip of the iceberg if you care to investigate these things yourself.
Someone suggested "The Catholic priesthood has a rate of child sex abuse that is the same as the general population. It seems higher because the popular press emphasizes it." THE SAME AS THE GENERAL POPULATION! I let you figure out the math.
"And you need to stop grouping Christians into one category. It's like because you found bad apples in a basket, all the apples must be bad? Learn to see the good in others that are different from you."
All christians (pretend to) love a genocidal maniac, defend genocide, promote and defend a book that promotes genocide, slavery, rape, rape marriage, sexism and more. You imply I should be more tolerant... toward people who defend genocide? Seriously? Why do you think american christians are called "american taliban"?? Or have you listened to christian apologists like william lane craig who said in a debate that child slaughter commanded by the christian god ment their salvation according to his divine command theory??
These arent "just a few bad apples". Its a fundamental part of christianity. Eat a history book for a change.
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"Completion does not mean He declared it invalid. If a grade 3 teacher completes the understanding of a class in grade 2 is He declaring what they learned in the previous year invalid?"
That analogy doesnt make sense and the term complete also doesnt make sense in either context. Which would still mean the old testament is still valid which most christians ignore. No matter how you spin it, christians are either hypocrites or cherry pickers.
"Completion does not mean He declared it invalid. If a grade 3 teacher completes the understanding of a class in grade 2 is He declaring what they learned in the previous year invalid? Christ built our understanding of what true righteousness is: Love your enemies, judge and you not be judged, forgive and turn the other cheek, not refraining from doing good even on the Sabbath."
I cant name a single church group that follows this concept.
"Forgive me but you are the one who doesn't understand Christianity or taking history seriously. Study what the original Christians were like."
So far you havent demonstrated that you understand christianity. All you did was twist it in order to defend your ignorance. And the original christians were the next best thing to savages with slavery, sexism, rape marriages, tribal wars and genocide. So dont pretend others dont understand christianity when its you who clearly never read a history book about the last 2.000 years.
"Try reading the letters of St. Paul. Were they like the crusades or missionaries that forced people to convert?"
You are selecting the tiny pieces of gold inside a mountain of shit.
"Seems to me you're ignoring all the verses of love I gave you. Why is that?"
No, you are ignoring the verses about hate. Modern christians dont practise what you preach. So your verses are useless.
""Those who live by the sword shall parish by the sword." Christ condemns futile violence."
Ironic when a carpenter said that before he died from being nailed to a wooden cross. :D
"Most Christians today condemn the actions of the cruscades and corruption in the past."
Again, selective condemnation. You wont find a christian condemning biblical genocide or their priests when they are found with their pants down infront of a child.
"tell me the doctrine of the Incarnation?"
The what?
"Supposing it to be true, does it not reveal God's love for man?"
This is the part where you demonstrate your ignorance or dishonesty about the foundation of christianity again. You have a god that set up a garden and then placing a snake to make the inhabitants fail a test. Then failing to establish order and sending himself down into a bastard child to sacrifice himself to himself to create a loophole for a rule he created. And then he hides without a trace. Thats a really stupid and cruel concept. Thats not love.
"We are convinced we have a superior moral system because we believe it was given from the Creator. If a man invents a machine, He decides how it should behave."
Christianity doesnt offer a moral system. You have a list of dos and donts all from the bronze age atributed to a divine tyrant. Thats not even remotely morality. This system also falls apart because christians fail to demonstrate that this god exists. This system is also contrary to every progress we made in the last 500 years. Like I said, if you follow the bible to the letter you end up in jail within days or less. Evidently your system doesnt work.
Even secular morality is superior because it provides an actual foundation which people agree upon in most of the world. Humans came up with a better system than your bronze age god!
"So all Christians are guilty? Past and future?"
Guilty of worshipping and defending a genocidal maniac, blood sacrifie, torture, punishing people for the "crimes" of their ancestors and much more? Yes. Anyone who does that is messed up.
"And LOL in what way is she a "monster." She was trying to make them feel loved. It wasn't just about their health."
She didnt try to make them feel loved. She soaked up their pain like a drug! Anyone who builds hospitals but lets the people just rot and suffer is a monster. And so are you for defending her. Good job.
"Well obviously are there more Satanists or Christians in the world? That's like saying a population of 1 million has more violence than a population of 10,000."
Obviously your moral system doesnt work because one person tortured or killed in the name of the christian god invalidates it as a superior system. The satanic temple has far superior tenets than christianity. Your religion killed people INTENTIONALLY for 2.000 years and still defends pedophiles. According to a report of 2002 (which got worse since then) christian pedophiles represent HALF of the total amount of pedophiles. HALF!! Not satanists, not atheists -> CHRISTIANS!
"There's a difference between reading and actually understanding the core message and teaching behind Scripture."
No, there is a difference between a literal reading of a supposedly divine inspired text and twisting it in order to make excuses for nonsense. Christians always pretend there is some other logic required in order to understand the bible. Thats bullshit.
"The verses you quoted are a complete misunderstanding of what Jesus meant."
If it doesnt mean what it says then it doesnt say what it means. You are just not honest to admit that the bible is messed up. You have to defend it against all reason.
"What he is speaking of is priorities. In other words if it comes to following Christ or following my parents' teaching, I will follow Christ."
It clearly says HATE others. Thats not a priority, thats hate. You rather choose hate to save your soul instead of living a decent life.
"If you think Jesus' words were to be taken literally I suppose you think He wanted us to cut off our hands and remove our eyes? Or when He says be like doves, we were to fly and lay eggs? Some teachers use metaphors and stories to convey a message."
With absolutely no indications given in the bible, how can you possibly determine what is meant to be taken literally and what isn't? Sounds more like just another excuse.
_"In my opinion the abandonment of God (which puts you at the centre of the universe in terms of deciding what is right) has killed far more people than religion ever has. People become heartless when they take morality into their own hands (guys like Hitler and Stallin who were convinced their actions were right)."
The less religious countries fare far better than the most religious countries in nearly every aspect of life. Iceland, norway, sweden are the least religious countries and they dont have the problems of iran, the US, malaysia and similar religious countries. So evidently you are wrong.
Hitler identified himself as a christian in his speeches, in his book, on the belts of his soldiers, in the bible he published. Stalin was a military tyrant. Neither of them did that because they didnt believe in a god. They thought themself above all others. The average atheist isnt like that unless you imply all atheists are necessarily psychopaths, sociopaths and dictators without being able to make a reasonable connection between those concepts.
"They weren't murdering in the name of God."
So they must have killed because they didnt believe in your cosmic justice system?? Did you ever read anything about human psychology??? Your ignorance is mind blowing!!
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"You are confusing law and morality...Religious foundational morality is the commonly institutionalized beliefs of right and wrong."
Im not confused. You are. Morality is morality. The law is the law. There is no "moral law". Right and wrong have nothing to do with laws. Words have usages, you know?
"The widely accepted practice of individuals NOT ALWAYS acting or behaving in ways that only benefit self interest. These practices becomes written into law and shape society."
Again, those arent laws. Those are social rules. Its also reasonable to be selfish when it comes to all activities and actions that involve only one self like eating, hygiene, clothing and such.
"Religion is the foundation for humans that chose to not lie, cheat, steal, and kill as desired to better their positions in life."
Evidently not. The abrahamic religions have numerous passages in their holy book that promote stealing, rape, murder, slavery, sexism and even genocide. Religion doesnt even improve morality considering a christian has to worship a mass murderer, a muslim has to worship a pedophile warlord and jews have to mutilate their children. There are also the thousands of pedophile priests, the churches that dont do charity while not paying taxes, the religious wars, theocracies...
Right now the most religious countries are the worst while the least religious are the best to live in. North korea being the exception.
"1.) Many of us follow the internal driving forces foundational morality or we certainly follow the external forces of law that has derived from it."
They have been influenced in the past but arent anymore. Unless you live in a deeply religious country that is ruled by theocrats like iran. The rest of the world enjoys secular governments with social rules instead of religious doctrine.
"2.) A relatively peaceful inclusive society has been created in accordance with these religious foundations."
Nope. I doubt you can even name one or justify that claim even if you could find such a society.
"And that is worth respect and tribute, even if the god/heaven it stems from is fictitious."
To whom exactly? The child raping christians? The sexist muslims/islamists? The child mutilating jews? Or any of their predecessors from their nearly 2.000 year long bloody history before we kicked religious rules out of the governments for the most part?
"That is, "Thank god, your neighbor isn't trying to enslave you right now.""
In a christian country that would be legal just like it is legal in taliban controlled regions. Its still ok in the bible and quran yet its illegal in most of the world.
So I dont see this foundation nor a concept of religious morality. We had laws long before the abrahamic religions were created and those societies had even better laws than christianity or islam can offer.
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"A study of 17633 wars show that Aetheist are responsible for 40% of wars and killings"
You forgot to mention non-smokers and vegans. How many wars did they start?
"Hitler,Stalin,Mao,Pol Pot."
Hitler openly admitted to be a christian. Stalin, mao and pol pot were militant tyrants who killed to stay in power.
There is no doctrine attached to atheism that can compell people to kill. Its old christian propaganda to paint atheists as pyschopaths. Strange that in the US alone the overwhelming majority of prison inmates are christians, not atheists.
"Whilst Christians are Darwin,Newton,Faraday.Martin Luther king,Stephen Hawkins"
Darwin was a racist despite his work in biology. Newton was into the occult. Faradays contribution had nothing to do with religion. Martin luther king was a christian activist for civil rights (which dont exist in christianity). Stephen hawkins was an atheist, he never converted to any religion.
"Aetheists have done nothing but harm to mankind"
Says the people who cant properly spell atheist, killed anyone who didnt want to join them for over 1.000 years and are now in the business to hide their own pedophiles while exploiting entire countries for money.
You sure got a big mouth for being this dumb.
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